#instantbird log on 08 04 2013

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00:00:46 <Mic> I know that process :S
00:01:04 <Mic> Anyways, good night now ;)
00:01:32 <atuljangra> hehe, it's only 5:30 am now. I need to get this thing implemented asap :P
00:01:38 <atuljangra> Good night :D
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00:27:11 <atuljangra> Aleth Mic Currently I've just used the TB's attachment icon. Which icon would you prefer. I would love to have two half opposite sided arrows. Something like we use while denoting polarity(or orientation?) of electrons while showing their electronic configurations.
00:27:13 <atuljangra> flo-retina: ^
00:31:21 <nhnt11> Like this? http://puu.sh/3T6Mt.png
00:32:15 <atuljangra> nhnt11: Somewhat, rotate it rightwards, and cleanly drawing the arrows and stuff. But the idea is that, yes.
00:32:42 <nhnt11> I got that off of google, figured I would post it for future reference ;)
00:33:15 <atuljangra> Thanks a lot :D
00:42:44 * nhnt11 just found the reason for a bug after an hour or so of debugging
00:42:56 <nhnt11> Turns out I was missing a NOT ("!")
00:43:04 <nhnt11> Bah!
00:43:31 <nhnt11> (I inverted some logic and missed a line)
00:53:30 <atuljangra> Some sample of the filelink preferences tab working. Icon is messed up right now. I'm working on things. It's early WIP. http://i.imgur.com/Y7KcW2F.png?1
00:54:47 <nhnt11> Cool!
00:55:16 <atuljangra> nhnt11: :)
00:55:40 <atuljangra> Sorry about ugly text though :-/
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01:26:01 <atuljangra> Is this allowed: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mail/components/preferences/applications.js?#27
01:26:24 <atuljangra>  ICON_URL_APP  is declared twice.
01:26:30 <atuljangra> clokep_: ^
01:27:42 <clokep_> atuljangra: It's preprocessed.
01:27:49 <clokep_> There's an ifdef right above it.
01:28:14 <atuljangra> but that's commented
01:28:46 <clokep_> The preprocessor doesn't care about comments.
01:28:55 <clokep_> It's just so the syntax highlighting in editors will still work.
01:29:32 <atuljangra> But I'm getting this as error. It is also not identifying http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mail/components/preferences/applications.js?#1301 this as a preprocessor.
01:29:38 <atuljangra> What could possibly the problem?
01:30:53 <atuljangra> Error: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/273002
01:31:42 <nhnt11> Is it preprocessed in jar.mn?
01:31:52 <nhnt11> (is that required for js files? just a thought)
01:32:09 <atuljangra> I've included the file in jar.mn
01:32:19 <nhnt11> It needs a * before the declaration in jar.mn
01:32:32 <nhnt11> For preprocessing to work.
01:32:43 <atuljangra> Oh okay.
01:32:46 <atuljangra> Lemme try.
01:33:25 <atuljangra> It slipped out of my mind. I remember reading it earlier on mdn :(
01:34:09 <atuljangra> Thanks nhnt11 :)
01:34:13 <nhnt11> np
01:36:20 <instantbot> nhnt11@gmail.com cancelled review?(benediktp@ymail.com ) for attachment 2673 on bug 2066.
01:36:21 <instantbot> nhnt11@gmail.com requested review from aleth@instantbird.o rg for attachment 2681 on bug 2066.
01:36:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2066 enh, --, ---, nhnt11, NEW, New conversation tab should display chat rooms
01:47:12 <instantbot> nhnt11@gmail.com requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2682 on bug 2066.
01:47:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2066 enh, --, ---, nhnt11, NEW, New conversation tab should display chat rooms
01:47:45 <nhnt11> Bah, I forgot to change "receiveRoomInfo"
01:55:03 <atuljangra> Is goUpdateCommand and goDoCommand part of services? Or do I have to include menus for the same.
01:55:46 <nhnt11> It's included in globalOverlay in toolkit
01:56:16 <atuljangra> oh okay
01:59:02 <nhnt11> I may be back before lunch, or else in the evening
01:59:03 <nhnt11> Bye
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02:01:38 <atuljangra> clokep_ mic flo-retina aleth: Another screenshot of the transfer pane in preferences. I've managed to associate providers accounts with the ui.I'm able to add new accounts and delete existing one from this one.
02:01:48 <atuljangra> http://i.imgur.com/PM3NFjT.png?1
02:02:41 <atuljangra> It's quite late now. I'll sleep for now.I'll try to complete it as soon as possible.
02:02:43 <atuljangra> Bbye.
02:02:43 <atuljangra> Good night.
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02:15:12 <instant-buildbot> build #1026 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1026
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03:01:46 <atuljangra> I've pushed some WIP code on my repo. Will create the patch once it is completed. I hope that is okay.
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03:36:15 <atuljangra> I'll finally sleep. UI is better from the last screenshot now.
03:36:18 <atuljangra> Good night.
03:36:20 <atuljangra> :)
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03:46:43 <instant-buildbot> build #931 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/931
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04:44:56 <instant-buildbot> build #930 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/930
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09:45:17 <Mic> Hi
09:46:31 <Mic> Here's a few variations for a upload/download icon: http://i3.minus.com/jbv6a6020Erq1D.png
09:46:54 <Mic> Ignore the normal download icon and it's glowing version that are among them.
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13:29:46 <aleth> Just a reminder that I will be away until at least Aug 16.
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15:18:51 <flo-retina> random thought: would it be better to have on the account a getRoomList method that would return an instance of an object implementing prplIRoomList. That interface would likely inherit from nsISimpleEnumerator, and likely have addObserver/removeObserver methods. If a prpl doesn't support listing rooms, getRoomList would just return null instead of throwing.
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15:24:42 <aleth> I don't think observers are the best way to go for this. It's the difference between chat-buddy-added (notification) and getParticipants(), just that the 'participants' here may be returned async. I.e. I don't see a reason why anyone would want to listen for notifications in an ongoing way for this.
15:25:02 <aleth> But maybe I'm missing your point...
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16:11:58 <atuljangra> clokep_: I'm changing this function to reside in cloudfileAccounts.js. Would it be acceptable. http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mail/components/cloudfile/content/Box/management.js#6
16:13:16 <atuljangra> Basicalky we are creating a messenger class here, which is non existent in ib. So to remove any such dependency, I'll create a similar function ( formatFileSize) in cloudfileAccounts and use it instead of creating a messenger class.
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16:13:36 <atuljangra> This approach would work well in case of IB and TB both.
16:13:44 <atuljangra> What would be your opinion?
16:18:04 <clokep_> atuljangra: I don't understand what you're suggesting. :-/
16:18:11 <clokep_> "changing this function" What function?
16:18:25 <clokep_> It wouldn't make sense to move code that's specific to Box into something that's generic for all providers.
16:21:09 <atuljangra> messenger.formatFileSize is used from messenger class. This is not Box specific. This function is used in others as well. This is used to do some formatting on file size.
16:21:52 <atuljangra> I'm proposing to make a new function in cloudfileAccounts and use it instead of creating a messenger class and use it's function.
16:22:28 <clokep_> atuljangra: OK, the file you just quoted is Box specific, that's what I'm referring to.
16:22:35 <clokep_> That seems like it would be OK to use, yes.
16:23:12 <atuljangra> That was just an example. Sorry about that. I'll use it then.
16:23:34 <clokep_> Yup.
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16:23:52 <atuljangra> I hope to push another commit that will contain completed Filelink (Upload) UI in the preferences pane before sleeping.
16:25:13 <atuljangra> bbl after dinner.
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17:06:49 <nhnt11> Hi
17:14:14 <clokep_> Amusing / interesting: http://pidgin.im/pipermail/devel/2013-August/023115.html
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17:54:32 <atuljangra> !seen gerv
17:54:33 <instantbot> gerv was last seen 1 day, 21 hours, 2 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying 'My family is going to London tomorrow, it's 9.50pm and I haven't packed. I don't have any more time now, and the other GSoC admin is flo-retina. ' in #instantbird.
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18:01:33 <Mic> Hi
18:03:50 <atuljangra> Hi Mic  :)
18:03:58 <Mic> Hi atul
18:04:33 <Mic> nhnt11: let me know when you're here
18:05:26 <nhnt11> Hi Mic
18:05:28 <nhnt11> I'm here
18:16:59 <nhnt11> Mic: I'm plan to start on storing data tomorrow evening. It appears IndexedDB may be a good choice. I'll read up documentation and start a WIP, and hopefully by the end of the week I'll have a patch ready for using a database instead of arrays.
18:17:52 <nhnt11> Keeping ranking in mind, I think it makes sense to store everything with arbitrary rank (0?) at first. After the database work is done I can start working on ranking.
18:17:59 <nhnt11> an arbitrary*
18:20:10 <Mic> Yes, that can be done separately.
18:22:18 <nhnt11> Here's what I think is needed for the ranking stuff: Load historical data from logs if no stats already exist, and assign ranks using an algorithm that normalizes all the parameters (frequency, recency, status, etc mentioned in my proposal and more as we think of them). After that we can use listeners for conversation notifications to update stats.
18:23:36 <nhnt11> I'll try to put together a tentative timeline of the ~6 weeks I have left now.
18:23:41 <nhnt11> s/of/for
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18:26:30 <Mic> Good, keep in mind that there'll be others things that will need to be polished too (e.g. highlighting the matched string in the results, tweaking the searching (e.g. for several words entered in the input box, or filtering on tags (imo), ..).
18:27:12 <nhnt11> Right, I plan to work on these followups while waiting for reviews, etc.
18:27:30 <Mic> :)
18:28:20 <nhnt11> Actually I was thinking, I can work on followups between classes, and focus on stats after classes, etc when I've got larger periods of time to work.
18:28:30 <Mic> Maybe you should also file the things to do from the etherpad in Bugzilla by the way.
18:28:54 <Mic> nhnt11: whatever you think that fits best with your schedule.
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18:29:30 <nhnt11> I'll update the etherpad, yes.
18:30:10 <Mic> I meant that you should move the follow-ups and to-do's from the etherpad to bugzilla.
18:30:50 <Mic> They'd be in one place with dependencies on other bugs and make it easier to see what's done and what isn't yet.
18:31:59 <nhnt11> oh ok. I misread that completely sorry :P
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18:36:20 <nhnt11> Mic: Do you think that week 2 on the etherpad will take longer than a week?
18:36:54 * nhnt11 thinks that stuff that doesn't involve naming new interfaces won't take too much time :P
18:37:05 <Mic> lol
18:38:01 <nhnt11> Also btw, I will most likely be using MQ from now on.
18:38:06 <Mic> I think that maybe the things from the coming week might not take as long as expected and that the one from the week after might take longer
18:38:18 <nhnt11> Yeah I suspect so too.
18:38:35 <nhnt11> I guess it should span out to 2-3 weeks together though.
18:40:24 <nhnt11> Bah, I'm not going to include dates. It's hard to judge exactly how long these steps will take.
18:42:26 <nhnt11> Mic: What did you think about the "Favorites" tag part of my proposal?
18:43:31 <Mic> Was there such an idea in it? I don't remember...
18:43:51 <Mic> We have a favourites-tag bug somewhere already.
18:44:07 <nhnt11> Btw, for ranking, I like the tier system that CSS specificity uses (where higher priority factors increment the next digit)
18:44:36 <nhnt11> Right. It would be useful for ranking. I'm not sure how important it is though.
18:46:13 <Mic> That's an interesting idea.
18:50:18 <Mic> I think we can discuss that when you've an idea which factors should be more or less important.
18:51:08 <nhnt11> Sure. I've mentioned it in the etherpad for now.
18:52:29 <Mic> I'm also curious how you'll calculate the frequency and recency by the way.
18:54:01 <nhnt11> Well for one thing, I don't think a contact you talked to 5 minutes ago and a contact you talked to an hour ago should be differentiated much.
18:54:30 <nhnt11> Recency should come into the picture when it's been a while since you talked to a person, say a few days. (imo)
18:56:59 <nhnt11> As for frequency... I'm not sure whether the number of times you open a conversation with someone is relevant - the amount of messages exchanged may be more suitable
18:59:17 <nhnt11> I just thought of plotting the volume of messages for each conversation, and the score would be 5+(number of standard deviations away from the mean)
19:00:10 <nhnt11> But this may involve too much calculation? It shouldn't be a problem if we keep the mean and standard deviations updated and stored though.
19:00:38 <nhnt11> Er, just to clarify, I don't actually intend to "plot" the distribution :P
19:03:32 <Mic> No idea if that makes sense.
19:04:52 <Mic> I think I'd collect data and experiment with different ways to calculate a score and check that the results are reasonable.
19:05:56 <nhnt11> Definitely.
19:06:24 <nhnt11> It was just a thought that occurred to me all of a sudden :)
19:07:05 <nhnt11> I have to go to bed now.
19:07:18 <nhnt11> I'll be online after lunch tomorrow.
19:07:45 <Mic> OK
19:08:25 <nhnt11> Good night
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19:10:06 <Mic> Good night
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19:33:53 <flo-retina> not sure if this has been mentioned or not (I read the log very quickly), but I don't think the rank should be stored in the database, because we will likely want to for example put higher a contact where the name matches than a contact where something matches in the status message. The stuff we need to store is the data (like "how much have we talked to that contact before" etc...
19:33:58 <flo-retina> maybe that was already obvious :)
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19:39:03 <clokep_> flo-retina: Wasn't obvious to me and I was wondering too. :)
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20:44:04 <Mic> Good point, to be honest I thought we could have a slowly-changing precomputed rank (from frequency, recency) stored in the database and combine it then with a dynamic rank that e.g. depends on matches on the name as said. This won't work since we don't want to keep references to contacts or other things and therefore can't look that data up from there then.
20:46:44 <atuljangra> What is pv here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mail/components/cloudfile/content/Box/management.js#12
20:47:11 <flo-retina> Mic: not sure what you mean by "can't look that data up from there then"
20:47:34 <flo-retina> but yes, the idea is to store a pre computed "weight" (or whatever you want to call it) based on the history
20:47:43 <flo-retina> and then rank dynamically
20:49:48 <flo-retina> atuljangra: it's from http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mail/base/content/protovis-r2.6-modded.js#5
20:50:12 <atuljangra> flo-retina: Got it. did a mxr.
20:50:16 <atuljangra> Thanks.
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21:00:11 <flo-retina> clokep_: any idea of what we could do for all these build failures?
21:09:34 <clokep_> flo-retina: So it sounds familiar.
21:09:40 <clokep_> Like something I dealt w/ when porting the moz.build stuff.
21:09:46 <clokep_> But I don't remember what change fixes it. :(
21:14:28 <flo-retina> clokep_: my guess when reading the windows log was that the error wouldn't happen if we were using pymake on buildbot
21:15:52 <flo-retina> clokep_: http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/61c78da21439 ?
21:18:05 <clokep_> flo-retina: That looks like the changeset I used to fix that, yes.
21:18:44 <flo-retina> it applies cleanly, I guess I should just land it with rs=you? right?
21:18:58 <clokep_> Yes.
21:20:29 <flo-retina> done (pushed)
21:21:02 <clokep_> Hopefully that works. ;)
21:21:14 <clokep_> (I have no machine with me to attempt building on right now, btw.)
21:21:23 <flo-retina> won't help on linux though :(
21:23:40 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/b393a1d64aff - Florian Qu├Ęze - Bug 1997 - Update to Mozilla 22 - Follow-up to fix Windows bustage, rs=clokep.
21:44:49 <instant-buildbot> build #432 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/432
22:01:34 <atuljangra> Is there a function for getting rid of insignificant bits ( to 0 or 1 decimal point), that we already use here?
22:01:42 <atuljangra> Or should I do it manually.
22:01:47 <atuljangra> clokep_: flo-retina ^
22:03:56 <flo-retina> what are you trying to do?
22:06:17 <atuljangra> To show the cloud provider usage in preferences pane, I need to format the various sizes to look nicer. 
22:07:31 <flo-retina> doesn't Thunderbird do the same thing?
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22:08:33 <atuljangra> Yes, I've to rewrite a function (as discussed with clokep earlier today). This was related to that only. 
22:10:44 <clokep_> round?
22:11:05 <atuljangra> ok
22:14:20 <flo-retina> ah, my local linux build is at the step where it needs to link libxul :)
22:15:53 <atuljangra> That's .. annoying step
22:16:17 <atuljangra> flo-retina: Open system manager and see the ram usage at that step, graph is awesome.
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22:16:37 <atuljangra> And the sudden drop when it completes is the most exciting point ;)
22:16:52 <flo-retina> atuljangra: I have 8GB of ram on that machine, so it doesn't matter much
22:17:28 <atuljangra> flo-retina: Me too, but it will take good amount of ram.
22:17:32 <flo-retina> atuljangra: the reason why I'm building on linux locally is I wanted to check if I can reproduce the failure we have on buildbot
22:17:48 <flo-retina> my build just finished successfully
22:17:54 <flo-retina> and took 35 minutes
22:18:16 <flo-retina> that's on my machine that used to be super fast, and build Instantbird in less than 8 minutes :(
22:19:30 <atuljangra> flo-retina: I feel the pane :(
22:19:33 <atuljangra> *pain
22:19:37 <atuljangra> :P
22:19:54 * atuljangra feels the transfer pane :P
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22:26:51 <clokep_> flo-retina: So that's bad you can't reproduce?
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22:30:33 <flo-retina> clokep_: it confirms my guess
22:31:03 <flo-retina> clokep_: and my guess was that either the compile VM needs more RAM, or the compiler on it is too old an buggy to work :-/.
22:31:30 <flo-retina> in both cases I think we'll need Even to have a look
22:32:05 <flo-retina> I wonder if a temporary workaround could be --disable-webrtc in the mozconfig (although I would be really sad to do that)
22:37:05 <clokep_> :-( That would be sad.
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22:46:14 <flo-retina> maybe we could disable other stuff instead?
22:46:21 <flo-retina> mathml maybe?
22:46:40 <flo-retina> I don't remember if aleth's add-on actually uses mathml, or another trick to show equations
22:46:48 <clokep_> It uses MathML, IIRC>
22:47:06 <flo-retina> ok, bad idea then :)
22:47:14 <flo-retina> anyway, I'm really tired. Good night.
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22:48:05 <clokep_> Goodnight!
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23:09:01 * atuljangra is getting segmentation faults for last one hour :-/
23:11:01 <atuljangra> flo-retina clokep_ For how long are you guys here?
23:15:03 <atuljangra> Can I backtrace the error of a segmentation fault on IB somehow>
23:24:55 <atuljangra> Solved it. :)
23:56:38 <clokep_> atuljangra: I'm in and out. Traveling still.
23:57:06 <atuljangra> clokep_: Oh okay. No pbm. I just wanted to show the working filelink upload UI.
23:58:59 <atuljangra> clokep_: http://i.imgur.com/rkBGRa6.png?1
23:59:05 <atuljangra> Sorry for bad cropping :-/
23:59:31 <atuljangra> Transfer Icon is messed up right now. I'll improve it.