#instantbird log on 05 28 2013

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01:03:13 <instantbot> Just appeared in Pidgin News - default :
01:03:14 <instantbot> https://kingant.net/2013/05/four-pidgin-summer-of-code-students/ - Mark Doliner: Four Pidgin Summer of Code students
01:08:29 <EionRobb> thanks, instantbot
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02:03:01 <clokep> atuljangra: IM on phones doesn't really make sense in a lot of ways...being "always" connected for a phone is kind of...meh.
02:07:02 <clokep> qheaden: Hello. Congratulations. :)
02:07:08 <clokep> Sorry, I was AFK all day since it's Memorial Day.
02:17:53 <clokep> flo-retina: Even: Looks like our sites are down. :-/
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02:59:49 <instant-buildbot> build #862 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/862
03:36:53 <instant-buildbot> build #858 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/858
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05:27:35 <instant-buildbot> build #958 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/958
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05:52:52 * nhnt11 really hates the melange site
05:53:37 <EionRobb> who doesn't?
05:54:02 <nhnt11> Good point
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07:47:00 <Mic> Hi
08:00:29 <Mic> flo-retina: are you going to set up user repositories for our GSoC students like wnayes had one?
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08:11:02 <Mic> nhnt11: hi
08:12:51 <Mic> Let me know when you've got time to talk about the project.
08:28:20 <flo-retina> Mic: I haven't thought about it (yet), but if it sounds useful, I will :)
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10:14:04 <clokep> Hello.
10:15:06 <clokep> This sounds very famliar. ;) https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2013/ashmew2/29001
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10:28:49 <flo-retina> clokep: lol
10:29:12 <flo-retina> is EionRobb the mentor? :)
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10:29:29 <clokep> I don't think they released that information yet? It wasn't in the blog post.
10:30:10 <flo-retina> "use GObjects to make developer’s lives easier" I doubt GObject makes anything easier. But I guess that's because I'm seeing it from a completely different point of view :)
10:32:10 <flo-retina> and a QT UI
10:36:15 <clokep> Yeah...interesting.
10:37:55 <nhnt11> Wow, that sounds almost exactly like atuljangra's project
10:38:02 <clokep> Yes. ;)
10:39:21 <flo-retina> nhnt11: from the description it looks very similar, but I suspect the results will be very different ;).
10:39:48 <nhnt11> Mic: I've been meaning to contact you! I didn't sleep much last night so I've been sleeping all day :P
10:39:51 <nhnt11> flo-retina: :P
10:42:11 <nhnt11> flo-retina, Mic: I'll be using the Wiki for my project updates, since I don't have a blog and don't feel like starting one.
10:44:42 <clokep> nhnt11: What page?
10:45:31 <nhnt11> clokep: If you mean the URL, it'll be wiki.mozilla.org/SummerOfCode/2013/InstantbirdAwesometab
10:45:43 <nhnt11> As suggested by gerv in his email
10:45:53 <clokep> I haven't read his email yet.
10:46:05 <clokep> Wait...you probably got a different one then I did. ;)
10:46:17 <nhnt11> clokep: Yeah.
10:46:25 <nhnt11> clokep: Here's an excerpt:
10:46:25 <nhnt11> A few students have said that they want to use the Mozilla wiki for
10:46:26 <nhnt11> posting their weekly updates, and have suggested that we provide
10:46:26 <nhnt11> guidance as to where on the wiki to put them. So here it is:
10:46:26 <nhnt11> Put them at:
10:46:26 <nhnt11> https://wiki.mozilla.org/SummerOfCode/2013/<ProjectName>
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10:48:54 <flo-retina> clokep: yeah, you didn't get the student email ;)
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10:50:00 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Should I send an email or is having told you here enough?
10:50:25 <flo-retina> nhnt11: send an email so that gerv sees it. (cc me anyway) :)
10:50:31 <nhnt11> Alright.
10:51:04 <nhnt11> My mozilla wiki account seems to have given me the username Nhnt11 with a capital N. That annoys me.
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11:39:28 <clokep_work> nhnt11: MediaWiki doesn't support anything with a lowercase first character, IIRC.
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11:59:08 <clokep_work> nhnt11: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/130528/#m127
12:00:41 <clokep_work> Someone should make a blog post...
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12:25:43 <flo-retina> clokep_work: blog post about what?
12:26:30 <flo-retina> Gerv's going to blog about GSoC in the next few days (as soon as we have the blog/update urls for all the students), but we can also blog about our happiness of having students working on Instantbird :)
12:28:16 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Blogging on the Instantbird blog about GSoC, yeah. :)
12:28:28 * clokep_work already started a blog post. ;)
12:28:33 <clokep_work> But I was going to wait for URLs first.
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13:02:43 <nhnt11> Interesting. I left the channel using /part but it seems to have reconnected.
13:03:28 <nhnt11> clokep_work: I don't understand why they would force uppercase but I won't say anything more on the matter.
13:06:03 <clokep_work> nhnt11: It's a "bug" I think newer version support lowercase.
13:06:39 <clokep_work> nhnt11: You left this channel?
13:06:47 * clokep_work never saw you leave.
13:07:04 <nhnt11> clokep_work: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/130528/#m122
13:07:38 <nhnt11> It rejoined me here: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/130528/#m128
13:07:52 <nhnt11> (I haven't been home for the last hour or two)
13:07:56 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Did your connection drop for a second?
13:08:07 <clokep_work> (Did you restart Instantbird?)
13:08:13 <nhnt11> I would suppose so. Haven't checked the logs yet. I just got home.
13:08:43 <nhnt11> clokep_work: I did a /part, left Ib running and left. I came back and found myself rejoined.
13:10:10 <clokep_work> Yeah, that's not supposed to happen. :(
13:11:50 * nhnt11 will be back soon
13:23:20 <flo-retina> clokep_work: so if you part an auto-joined channels, do we do auto-joins after automatic reconnections?
13:32:35 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I don't remember...
13:32:55 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I have a feeling that we /shouldn't/, but I have no idea what the code does. :)
13:33:07 <clokep_work> (I think we do...that auto-join code lives outside of IRC.)
13:33:46 * clokep_work wonders what time qheaden gets up. ;)
13:34:02 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I also think we do the auto-joins automatically whenever an account gets connected
13:34:35 <clokep_work> :( Sounds like nhnt11 should file a bug. ;)
13:34:41 <flo-retina> hmm. How much do we mess with keyboard events in the input box?
13:34:53 <clokep_work> (I wonder if that was one of those things we said "Oh, this will get fixed by Session Restore! Let's ignore it.")
13:34:54 <flo-retina> I'm frequently annoyed that when my computer is lagging, some characters don't appear
13:35:20 <clokep_work> I think we mess with them a lot. :-D
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13:36:49 <flo-retina> It looks like characters don't appear if I release the key before the keydown event has been processed
13:37:23 <flo-retina> Only Instantbird seems to have this (horribly frustrating) behavior
13:47:58 <Mic> The only annoying keyboard problem with Mozilla powered software is in Fx' awesomebar.
13:49:05 <Mic> It's frequently clipping the first letters that I typed (afaik it's related to the inline completion of URLs).
13:49:37 <Mic> The only annoying keyboard *that I've noticed* ..
13:50:20 <nhnt11> I've never had any such issues :S
13:53:28 <Mic> nhnt11: do you have a few minutes to discuss what to do next?
13:53:35 <nhnt11> Yep
13:53:44 <Mic> OK :)
13:53:56 <clokep_work> Mic: Yes, that's really annoying. :(
13:54:08 <Mic> clokep_work: you're seeing this too?
13:55:35 <clokep_work> Mic: I have seen it, yes.
13:56:11 <Mic> nhnt11: do you have any plans what to do during the community bonding period?
13:56:30 <Mic> I would suggest to get the tabbrowser ready to accept tabs that don't contain conversations.
13:57:27 <nhnt11> Mic: Considering that I've been bonding for a while now, I thought I would go through the code and make sure I know how different components (tabbrowser, buddies, account details, etc) are implemented and accessed.
13:57:42 <nhnt11> Mic: That sounds good.
13:59:03 <Mic> Right now the tabbrowser assumes that tabs have an attached conversation. Task would be to remove that dependence.
14:01:02 <Mic> It might be a good idea to have an actual goal like "load add-on manager in a tab" or "show log viewer in a tab".
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14:01:58 <nhnt11> Mic: That makes sense.
14:02:25 <Mic> The necessary changes to the tabbrowser can be reviewed and checked in when done, while "loading the add-on manager in tab" would be an example how to use it and could e.g. be done as an add-on.
14:02:30 <nhnt11> Also, shall I open a new bug for the project? Since there are quite a few bugs that seem to be relevant to it.
14:02:55 <clokep_work> I think I filed a bug on this particular project a log time ago.
14:03:01 <nhnt11> clokep_work: bug 1583?
14:03:02 <Mic> Bug 224 maybe?
14:03:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1583 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, New conversation tab
14:03:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=224 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Remove useless lines from buddy list tooltips
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14:03:23 <Mic> Obviously not ;)
14:03:31 <Mic> There's one, let me look it up.
14:03:50 <nhnt11> Mic, clokep_work: bug 1583 I think. :P
14:04:15 <Mic> Bug 426
14:04:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=426 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make it easier to add tabs with arbitrary content to the "conversation window"
14:05:02 <nhnt11> Ah for that. I thought you meant for the full awesometab project.
14:06:24 <Mic> I was still thinking about the tabbrowser, yes.
14:07:05 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Bug 1583, yes.
14:07:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1583 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, New conversation tab
14:08:39 <nhnt11> clokep_work: Okay. I'll reassign it to myself and attach patches there.
14:08:59 <nhnt11> (Not including but 426 patches)
14:09:01 <nhnt11> bug*
14:12:15 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Of course. We need to figure out (for all the projects) whether it makes sense to do things as patches or "feature branches" or what.
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14:15:19 <clokep_work> We want to avoid last year's issue of a mega-patch that had to be reviewed. :-/
14:15:33 <Mic> Absolutely :(
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14:45:11 * nhnt11 is thoroughly reading conversation.xml and tabbrowser.xml :)
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14:49:12 <clokep_work> nhnt11: FYI some (most?) of tabbrowser.xml is copied from Firefox.
15:00:02 <Mic> It was but that's years ago already.
15:00:53 * clokep_work doesn't want to get blamed for any crazy code. ;)
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15:28:36 <flo-retina> I wonder if it was from Fx2.0 or 3.0. (or maybe 3.5?)
15:30:18 <clokep_work> (Not saying we should actually do it...but...) I do wonder if there would be any benefit to seeing what's changed in the Firefox version.
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16:47:41 <flo-retina> clokep_work: most of the code was changed (or at least moved around) by dao when he made the tab bar a regular toolbar, so that it was possible to switch between tabs on top / tabs on bottom.
16:47:54 <flo-retina> so merging the changes seems almost impossible
17:00:01 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Gross. :(
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19:32:28 <clokep_work> FYI It was decided in today's Thunderbird meeting that FileLink is going to be moved into chat/ code (as was discussed previously), so that we don't need to move http.jsm to toolkit, unless someone really has an issue with this.
19:32:42 <clokep_work> (This is in-line with what atul will need to do for his GSoC project anyway.)
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21:20:19 <clokep_work> EionRobb: I see you guys stole one of our GSoC ideas. ;)
21:20:27 <EionRobb> ooh, which one was that?
21:20:38 <EionRobb> the file transfer one?
21:20:41 <clokep_work> The file transfer one, yes.
21:20:53 <EionRobb> :)
21:21:01 <clokep_work> Are you mentoring it? :P
21:21:10 <EionRobb> almost!
21:21:18 <EionRobb> but I'm mentoring the plugins website
21:21:18 <clokep_work> I have no idea what that means.
21:21:22 <clokep_work> Ohhhh, cool.:)
21:21:39 <clokep_work> I thought the plugins website was done last year. :-S
21:21:40 <EionRobb> I was *this* close to being mentor for the file transfer one, is what I mean :)
21:21:47 <EionRobb> ah, it was an accepted project yes.
21:21:52 <EionRobb> but it never went anywhere
21:21:56 <EionRobb> student did a runner
21:22:09 <clokep_work> Oh, that's disappointing.
21:22:27 <clokep_work> Was the HTTP fallback for file transfer a Pidgin proposed one or did the student propose it?
21:23:20 <EionRobb> the student proposed it
21:23:31 <clokep_work> Hah, interesting. ;)
21:23:53 <clokep_work> Well hopefully it works out well for them!
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21:33:46 <Mook_as> so... who builds the contrib (in particular, 1.4 linux x86_64) builds? :D
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21:52:58 <Mic> Mook_as: flo as far as I know.
21:54:47 <Mook_as> hah, alright
21:54:57 <Mook_as> that's some odd definition of contrib... :p
21:55:33 <Mic> I think the definition of contrib is here = "not official, ymmv"
22:00:14 <Mook_as> "the buildbot didn't spit it out"
22:09:21 <Mic> Good night
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