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Seems easy (now that the mozilla hg server seems to be back in working conditions) 12:18:16 <aleth> oh good :) 12:18:30 <aleth> this is what I found in the logs ;) http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/121115/#m29 12:19:05 <flo-retina> I assume this just means the hg server sucked at the time too ;) 12:19:39 <aleth> Looks like it ;) 12:19:49 <flo-retina> btw, how does releasing today sound to you all? 12:20:09 <flo-retina> I proposed either Sunday (yesterday) or Tuesday as I was planning to spend all the day out doing AMI-related things 12:20:29 <flo-retina> but everything got cancelled at 6:30am this morning due to the horrible weather we have :( 12:21:05 <aleth> Release today, hope for better weather tomorrow? ;) 12:21:08 <flo-retina> This AMI thing keeps being reschedule since March :( 12:21:20 <flo-retina> aleth: tomorrow won't be a holiday; I'll be working 12:21:24 <aleth> Good weather keeps being rescheduled since March 12:21:41 <aleth> ah :( 12:21:45 <flo-retina> aleth: not completely true. The weather was great Saturday and acceptable Sunday 12:21:51 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Today sounds good. 12:22:01 <flo-retina> ok, let's get it out then :) 12:22:05 <aleth> Anything release-related left to be done that we can help you with? 12:22:27 <flo-retina> aleth: I think we are close to being done 12:22:51 <flo-retina> what's left seeoms to be uploading the source tarball; uploading to google code; and finally pushing the website changes and blog post online 12:22:59 <flo-retina> source tarball is finished 12:23:03 <flo-retina> weights 120MB (!) 12:25:23 <flo-retina> for the good weather; I'm hoping for Friday and planning to take a day off if the weather seems OK 12:27:07 <-- Huvik has quit (Connection reset by peer) 12:27:09 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 12:29:15 <flo-retina> I have a gtalk contact stuck on the "typing" status 12:29:25 <flo-retina> even though he sent messages after that, and is now offline 12:29:44 <flo-retina> I suspect he was typing on a resource that wasn't the same as the one that sent the more recent messages 12:30:57 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 12:32:00 --> jb has joined #instantbird 12:33:28 <aleth> Can the debug log tell you whether he switched resources? 12:39:25 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I've seen that a lot recently (all of a sudden), I a server issue. 12:39:33 <clokep_work> I *suspect* a server issue. 12:39:47 <clokep_work> Or an issue with the new "Google Hangouts" app on Android. 12:40:31 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:41:14 <flo-retina> aleth: nothing interesting in the debug log 12:41:23 <flo-retina> but I suspect the interesting event happened *hours* ago 12:46:30 <flo-retina> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/200453 :( 12:55:52 <clokep_work> Trying to build the website? :-S 12:56:14 <flo-retina> no, the release on linux 12:56:17 <flo-retina> (64) 13:04:00 <flo-retina> ok, that "error" meant there was a ".mozconfig" file in my srcdir in addition to the mozconfig file 13:04:04 <flo-retina> could be more explicit... 13:09:12 <atuljangra> Does anyone know why "sudo wget <url>" fails while "wget <url>" passes? 13:09:34 * clokep_work wonders why you would ever sudo wget... 13:10:48 <aleth> Are you behind a proxy? Maybe sudo wget doesn't see those settings 13:11:30 * aleth also wonders why you would use sudo wget 13:14:31 <aleth> You could compare the output of "env" and "sudo env" and see if something seems related 13:22:46 <atuljangra> yes, I'm behind the proxy, 13:22:49 <atuljangra> I should check this. 13:23:14 * atuljangra was installing web2py, the script did sudo wget :-( 13:23:24 * atuljangra changes the script and makes it work :-) 13:32:08 <flo-retina> :) 13:34:44 <clokep_work> flo-retina: So it's building now? Excellent. :) 13:35:18 <flo-retina> yeah 13:35:54 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I suspect that email from Gerv about GSoC wasn't really targeted to you; but now you have the whole picture of what's going on ;). 13:37:26 * atuljangra seeing word "GSoC" makes me nervous :S result in a couple of days :-/ 13:39:29 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I was just about to say that to you. :) 13:40:34 <flo-retina> atuljangra: what would be the best outcome for you? Do you have a favorite proposal out of the two you sent? (or "why are you nervous?"... but I assume all students who applied to GSoC have reasons to be nervous while waiting for the results :)) 13:42:24 <atuljangra> flo-retina: I'm going to work on both as a volunteer, thus best outcome would be to get selected for a project, be it TB or IB. I like both of 'em, and pretty excited to work on both :-) 13:42:57 <flo-retina> did you also say you would like to work on Skype as a volunteer at some point? :-P 13:43:21 <flo-retina> more seriously; it's great to apply for projects that you like enough to find them worth working on them as a volunteer :). 13:43:28 <aleth> :) 13:43:29 <flo-retina> (it's exactly what I did for Instantbird :-)) 13:43:47 <atuljangra> yes yes, I have whole two months planned for Mozilla. I'm going to do a lot of work with Mozilla this summer. 13:44:13 <atuljangra> oh yes, I remember you were also a gsoc student once :) 13:45:25 * aleth thinks putting together IB in two months for gsoc would have been quite the feat ;) 13:45:30 <flo-retina> atuljangra: my Instantbird proposal didn't get accepted ;). 13:45:49 <clokep_work> atuljangra, aleth: We should have a discussion about alternate nicks. 13:45:59 <flo-retina> aleth: yeah, that was over optimitic. It actually took me 3 months to create Ib 0.1 13:45:59 <clokep_work> (In the next 15 minutes before my meeting. :P) 13:46:13 <atuljangra> flo-retina: oh :P But still you are here :P 13:46:18 <atuljangra> clokep_work: yes :-) 13:46:32 <aleth> clokep_work: OK 13:46:45 <clokep_work> atuljangra, aleth: If I have an extra nick signed in (clokep) and my current nick is clokep_work. The user now types "/nick clokep", what is the expected nick they should get? 13:46:58 <clokep_work> (I think they should end up as clokep1.) 13:47:11 <atuljangra> clokep_work: yes, clokep1 should be the one. 13:47:32 <clokep_work> If they have a list of another alternate nick [clokep, clokep_]; then they would end up as clokep_. 13:48:05 <aleth> That sounds right. 13:48:23 <clokep_work> If they have the logner list of [clokep, clokep_], but both those are in use...they should /still/ end up as clokep1, IMO. 13:48:34 <clokep_work> Does all of that sound reasonable? 13:48:51 <aleth> Yes 13:49:00 <atuljangra> yes 13:49:22 <aleth> Currently we are not covering the nickserv part of this with the patch, right? 13:49:23 <atuljangra> so we need to generate nick according to the original nick always? 13:49:47 <clokep_work> atuljangra: What do you mean by "original nick"? 13:50:02 <clokep_work> I'm pretty sure this is referred to as _requestedNick in the code. 13:50:18 <aleth> atuljangra: No, if I understand clokep right the numbered nick is based on the one you explicitly asked for 13:50:23 <atuljangra> Oh, yes, I meant that only. 13:50:24 <clokep_work> "original nick" (to aleth and I) mean the nick you initially attempt to log into the server with...so that's poor phrasing. 13:50:33 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes, that's what I mean! 13:50:40 <clokep_work> But only if all of the alternate nicks are taken. 13:50:54 <atuljangra> I'm sorry for that. I meant the nick that user wanted. 13:50:56 <aleth> Yes, otherwise you'd never get to an alternate nick ;) 13:51:20 <atuljangra> If all of alternate nicks are used, then generate one with the help of requested nick. 13:51:21 <aleth> atuljangra: The difference between originalNick and requestedNick is worth looking at in the code 13:51:32 <clokep_work> So my algorithm would be: 13:51:34 <clokep_work> 1. Try all the alternate nicks in the order they're listed. 13:51:34 <clokep_work> 2. If one is found, stop. 13:51:34 <clokep_work> 3. If they're all used (this would include an empty list), then take the requested nick and apply the numbering algorithm to it. 13:51:38 <atuljangra> aleth: Yes :) 13:52:22 <aleth> I suspect this patch will force a followup to deal with grouped nicks on nickserv ;) 13:52:48 <atuljangra> ^^ :P 13:52:59 <clokep_work> aleth: Dealing with NickServ is a totally different issue, yes. :) 13:52:59 <-- qlum has quit (Quit: Getting the <censored> out.) 13:53:16 <aleth> Because there'll be spam from Nickserv if those alternate nicks have been registered ;) 13:53:58 <atuljangra> clokep_work: Completely agreed with your algorithm, in the latest patch, I guess changing | let nickParts = /^(.+?)(\d*)$/.exec(this._accountNickname);| to something like | let nickParts = /^(.+?)(\d*)$/.exec(this._requestedNick);| should do the job? 13:54:06 <aleth> I think we have a related bug somewhere btw 13:54:14 <aleth> flo ran into it 13:54:25 <clokep_work> atuljangra: I don't know. I kind of don't think that's right. 13:54:30 <clokep_work> But can't think on that right now. 13:55:00 <atuljangra> clokep_work: oh okay. 13:55:24 <atuljangra> clokep_work: I'll look at it around midnight, now that I'm pretty clear of what we want to do. 13:56:00 <clokep_work> atuljangra: This might be a good place to do real test driven development, by the way. 13:56:14 <clokep_work> (Right up the tests and expected results FIRST and then start making code changes.) 13:56:45 <clokep_work> s/Right/Write/ 13:56:59 <atuljangra> Oh, okay. That's nice. Also I will be needed to write a new test right? 13:57:56 <clokep_work> Yes. :) That code is complicated enough as it is! :) 13:58:15 <atuljangra> clokep_work: okay, I'll start hacking on it. :) 13:58:23 <clokep_work> atuljangra: Thanks! :) Let us know if oyu have more questions. 13:58:37 <atuljangra> clokep_work aleth Thanks for the small IRC meeting :) 13:58:38 <atuljangra> sure :) 13:58:51 <aleth> atuljangra: I think that's been wanted for a while, so thanks for looking at this :) 14:00:00 <atuljangra> :) 14:02:25 <aleth> atuljangra: FYI (but not for this bug) the grouped nick bugs are bug 1788 and bug 1831 14:02:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1788 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, SASL auth fails when using a grouped nick (but not the first of the group) 14:02:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1831 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, NickServ is noisy on freenode when another nick of the group identifies 14:10:08 <atuljangra> aleth: Thanks :-) 14:14:58 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 14:16:04 --> jb has joined #instantbird 14:16:04 <-- jb has quit (Input/output error) 14:17:11 --> jb has joined #instantbird 14:18:22 --> Nirgali has joined #instantbird 14:18:47 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 14:20:16 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 14:29:56 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout) 14:36:12 <instantbot> email@example.com granted feedback for attachment 2438 on bug 653. 14:36:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=653 enh, --, ---, atuljangra66, ASSI, Configurable alternate IRC nicks 14:37:36 <flo-retina> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/1.4/ seems ready 14:37:50 <flo-retina> 3.9GB 14:41:05 <clokep_work> ++flo-retina++ 14:41:16 <aleth> :) 15:03:08 --> jb has joined #instantbird 15:12:35 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 15:13:08 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:14:57 <flo-retina> 37m28 to build, then 14min16 for make distribute (including l10n repackaging). 15:15:05 <flo-retina> That linux desktop machine isn't fast any more :( 15:17:17 <-- aleth has quit (Connection reset by peer) 15:17:40 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 15:17:40 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 15:24:10 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 15:32:00 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Ciao) 15:54:46 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 15:56:30 <-- atuljangra has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 15:58:47 <clokep_work> flo-retina: So...are we currently uploading to Google Code or what's the deal? 15:58:52 * clokep_work should probably re-read that blog post... 15:59:20 --> atuljangra has joined #instantbird 15:59:50 <flo-retina> clokep_work: currently uploading the linux 64 build to the server 16:00:09 * atuljangra go flo-retina go!! :D 16:00:10 <flo-retina> and I'll go away for a walk (need some fresh air... even if it's rainy) for ~1 hour. 16:00:25 <flo-retina> then uploading to google code will be all that remains 16:03:22 <clokep_work> OK! :) 16:05:20 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 16:07:58 --> jb has joined #instantbird 16:18:53 <-- novabyte has quit (Ping timeout) 16:18:55 --> novabyte has joined #instantbird 16:29:27 <-- novabyte has quit (Ping timeout) 16:31:37 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 16:38:31 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 16:40:28 --> novabyte has joined #instantbird 16:41:32 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 16:59:28 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 17:29:01 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 17:30:38 <flo-retina> the upload of the linux64 build too 111 minutes 17:31:09 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Ping timeout) 17:32:04 <flo-retina> the 1.4 folder now takes 4.5GB 17:32:33 <-- atuljangra has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 17:36:21 <-- Huvik has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:36:22 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 17:38:28 <flo-retina> now uploading to google code 17:41:25 <Nirgali> what's that you're uploading? 17:41:41 --> atuljangra has joined #instantbird 17:46:40 <-- mpmc has quit (Ping timeout) 17:51:27 <clokep_work> Nirgali: 1.4 release. 17:51:40 <Nirgali> cool, does it exclude libpurple? :) 17:52:41 <-- dionisos has quit (Ping timeout) 17:54:01 <clokep_work> Nirgali: No, why? 17:55:32 <flo-retina> upload done 17:55:39 <flo-retina> I should really update the estimates on the wiki 17:55:49 <flo-retina> all files are now significantly larger 17:55:58 <flo-retina> and the upload takes 15 Minutes from a 100Mbps server 17:57:26 <clokep_work> That's still fast. 17:58:10 <flo-retina> 100Mbps is still a decent amount of bandwidth ;) 17:58:21 <flo-retina> I think everything is ready and we just need to update the website & post on the blog 18:03:15 <clokep_work> I can push the blog post (or you can). 18:03:24 <clokep_work> I don't remember if I updated the image to the nicer one aleth posted or not. 18:04:29 <Nirgali> clokep_work: because I am excited to see it switched away from libpurple 18:05:04 <Nirgali> and it sounded like I wasn't the only one 18:06:09 <clokep_work> Nirgali: Any particular reason why? Currently if we "switched away from libpurple" you'd lose support for a bunch of protocols. 18:06:34 <Nirgali> because it sounded like the xmpp stuff was more efficient? 18:06:39 <Nirgali> s/?// 18:06:58 <clokep_work> "efficient" is probably a bad word. ;) 18:07:09 <clokep_work> Our XMPP code doesn't support DNS SRV though. 18:07:10 <Nirgali> I'm not in a hurry, I was just curious how far along it was 18:07:20 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 18:07:50 <clokep_work> Someone needs to push the DNS SRV patch through before we drop libpurple's XMPP. 18:08:57 <-- Kaishi has quit (Quit: Kaishi) 18:09:31 <Nirgali> company switched to hipchat (with logging disabled, go.... legal!) 18:09:39 <Nirgali> looking for better client 18:10:03 <Nirgali> I like instantbird but it doesn't handle joining groups very well 18:10:17 <clokep_work> Nirgali: From what people have said about HipChat...it sounds like if you really want to support it well in Instantbird, someone would need to make something that inherits our XMPP code and puts special handlers in it. 18:10:19 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I'm ready to update the website 18:10:21 <clokep_work> For HipChat specific features. 18:10:28 <Nirgali> say I join a group in the hipchat web client, I get an error on the instantbird side 18:10:31 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Cool. 18:11:03 <clokep_work> Any ideas? http://pastebin.instantbird.com/200656 18:11:12 <Nirgali> point me in the right direction and I'll do it 18:11:42 topic changed by flo-retina to "Ask about Instantbird (http://instantbird.com) here!|Current version is Instantbird 1.4! :) |News: http://blog.instantbird.org/ |Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (for testing only) |IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/ |Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org/ | Bugs: http://bugzilla.instantbird.org" 18:12:15 <clokep_work> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/xmpp/ is our XMPP code, http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/gtalk/ is an example of where we "override" it to add specific features. 18:13:07 <flo-retina> clokep_work: really strange error :-S 18:13:29 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I agree. I was hoping Mook would be here. :-D 18:18:34 <clokep_work> The blog post is ready to go, I think. 18:18:59 <clokep_work> Shall I post it? 18:19:25 <flo-retina> is Infinity a recently added keyword in xpidl? 18:19:28 <flo-retina> yes 18:20:48 <flo-retina> someone should probably reread https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:release_process#Preparation to check that we covered everything 18:21:31 <flo-retina> and I suspect somewhere in there we would like to add a line saying "email localizers to say that the release and blog posts are live, that they are encourated to talk about it, and thanks for their great work" 18:22:22 <instantbot> Just appeared in Blog@instantbird.org - http://blog.instantbird.org : 18:22:23 <instantbot> http://blog.instantbird.org/2013/05/instantbird-1-4-released/ - Instantbird 1.4 Released! 18:22:24 <-- atuljangra has quit (Quit: need some juice) 18:23:16 <flo-retina> clokep_work: can you edit to remove "Thereâs still time to get an application in, if youâre interested!)" ? 18:23:45 <flo-retina> and maybe rephrase that paragraph a bit 18:24:06 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I removed it for now, I'll rephrase in a second. 18:25:22 <Nirgali> hmmm, the main thing with this hipchat is that instead of using the Alias, it tries to join rooms using the <userid> part of userid@domain, which doesn't work. I think it would need to handle that request by trying to auto join the group chat using the Alias from account manager. 18:26:25 <clokep_work> Nirgali: OK, that's one function to override, IIRC. ;) 18:28:52 <Nirgali> is it possible to override that stuff in an addon? 18:29:00 <-- Huvik has quit (Ping timeout) 18:29:12 <Nirgali> I'd rather not go poking around in the code base as I'm not really a developer 18:29:36 <Nirgali> I code perl and bash for sysadmin stuff and hack other languages to fix errors, that's about it 18:30:04 <Nirgali> addons are usually pretty straight forward :) 18:30:18 <clokep_work> Nirgali: Yes. 18:31:27 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I reworded the last paragraph, it's still kind of lame, but eh. 18:35:23 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 18:37:27 <-- mconley has quit (Ping timeout) 18:42:47 <douglaswth> the blog says it is released, but check for updates says no updates found 18:43:12 <clokep_work> I'm not sure automatic updates are on yet. 18:43:13 <clokep_work> flo-retina: ^ 18:44:28 --> dionisos has joined #instantbird 18:45:53 <-- mpmc has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:56:25 <-- rosonline has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 19:05:00 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 19:06:57 <clokep_work> Guess I need to post on my blog at some point? ;) 19:07:30 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Will we get a http://queze.net/goinfre/instantbird-1.4.download-count.txt ? :) 19:08:11 --> jb has joined #instantbird 19:09:03 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 19:09:04 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 19:10:34 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 19:15:16 <clokep_work> Mic: You missed the release announcement with topic diff, didn't you? ;) 19:15:26 <Mic> :-o 19:15:54 <Mic> We need to release 1.5 soon, then! 19:16:16 <-- Tonnes has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:18:01 <-- novabyte has quit (Quit: bye bye) 19:26:14 <clokep_work> Mic: Get some new feeatures done then, quick! 19:27:00 <Mic> Na, we just need to get a release schedule and will release no matter if there are great new features or not. 19:27:19 <Mic> Seems to work well for browsers, at least :P 19:28:13 <Mic> OK, that was trolling. I wanted to stop doing that... 19:28:33 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 19:28:34 <-- Even has quit (Ping timeout) 19:31:49 <flo-retina> Mic: we really should though 19:32:06 --> Even has joined #instantbird 19:32:06 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 19:32:08 <flo-retina> Mic: I'm sure if we were releasing frequently enough, that would motivate us to automate more of it, and it would become less painful 19:32:45 <Mic> Setting a date in advance would help against delaying it for finishing this or that, I think. 19:32:51 <clokep_work> I kind of wish we would follow the central, aurora, beta trains so updating Mozilla wasn't as painful. :( 19:34:05 <clokep_work> Achievement Unlocked: Used xargs without looking at documentation? 19:34:17 <Nirgali> LOL 19:34:47 <Mic> clokep_work: are there different achievement of that? 1, 5, 10 times in a row? ;) 19:34:56 <Mic> *achievements 19:34:58 <clokep_work> Please, I Never reach 10 in a row for that. 19:35:06 <flo-retina> Mic: in this specific case, we delayed it until we got builds to compile, which I'm afraid would happen even if we had a date set in advance :( 19:35:09 <clokep_work> Bah, I ran into the same build error. :( 19:35:31 <clokep_work> flo-retina: We vaguely discussed enabling localized nightlies to avoid this? 19:35:31 <Mic> flo-retina: that's true yes. 19:35:38 <Mic> That's been a true blocker ;) 19:35:41 <clokep_work> (Also, when do we turn nightlies back on?) 19:36:02 <flo-retina> clokep_work: yes, we want to do that (that = buidling l10n nightlies) 19:36:28 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I guess I can turn them back on now 19:37:13 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Also, did you see douglaswth's question about auto-updating 1.3 -> 1.4? 19:37:24 <flo-retina> done 19:37:36 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I think we typically wait a day or two before enabling auto-updates 19:37:44 <flo-retina> just to get some feedback 19:38:12 <flo-retina> I think in the future we could enable forced updates at the time we release (forced updates = people clicking "check for updates" themselves) 19:38:24 <clokep_work> flo-retina: That's what I remember, just making sure it isn't /supposed/ to work yet. :) 19:38:56 <flo-retina> in this specific case, I need to poke at the update server's code before enabling that, as I want to turn off all updates for Mac < 10.6 19:39:45 <flo-retina> (I think that's what we decided was the best thing to do; between rewriting the code to handle updates of old mac builds correctly, and screwing all users of OS X < 10.6) 19:40:20 <clokep_work> Yes, that's what our release notes so. 19:40:29 <clokep_work> release notes say, I think. 19:48:03 <flo-retina> I don't think our release notes say anything about us having a broken update server that we don't know how to maintain ;) 19:49:16 <clokep_work> flo-retina: "Mac OS X < 10.6 is no longer supported, please upgrade your operating system or continue using Instantbird 1.3." 19:53:55 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 20:00:08 <flo-retina> clokep_work: what I mean is, after the change, if you are running Ib 1.2 on OS X 10.5, clicking check for updates won't be able to update your ib to 1.3 any more 20:00:29 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Ah, I see. Yes I think we said we don't care. :) 20:00:41 <flo-retina> yeah 20:01:03 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 20:06:01 <douglaswth> woo! I just went and updated my addons on addons.instantbird.org so they are compatible 20:06:14 <Mic> douglaswth++ 20:07:27 <douglaswth> topic diff 0.2, however, is not compatible... 20:08:03 <Mic> I thought I updated it yesterday. 20:08:21 <Mic> I'll check and update if necessary. 20:08:54 <douglaswth> it looks like 0.3 is, but the last time I tried that I couldn't figure out how to fix the threshold so it would show diffs consistently :( 20:09:47 <Mic> You mean you wanted them to look the same no matter how much had changed? 20:10:52 <clokep_work> That threshold equation looks awfully arbitrary. ;) 20:11:03 <Mic> I raised max version of 0.2 too for you :) 20:12:38 <douglaswth> Mic: thanks! 20:13:03 <clokep_work> Bah...I'd love to look at the SIPE stuff at some point...but now I'm in the middle of trying to upgrade Mozilla and odn't have a tree that builds. :( 20:13:41 <Mic> bbl, watching a movie now :) 20:13:42 <douglaswth> it wasn't showing diffs for changes that I would expect it to; I think at test I was doing was "Happy Birthday!" to "Happy Belated Birthday!" and back 20:15:38 <Mic> I guess the problem with the threshold and the equation is that I don't know which behaviour I'd expect to have in which cases ;) 20:15:59 <Mic> It was 'just something', maybe I should have made that version 0.1.9 instead of 0.3 :D 20:17:04 <Mic> I think the idea behind that was: inserted and deleted text are changes; now calculate the ratio of changed text and unchanged text and react on it. 20:20:53 <douglaswth> I think it would make sense for "Happy Birthday!" to "Hello, world!" to just show the new topic, but 0.3 was doing that too much even after adjusting the knobs 20:25:25 <clokep_work> Mic: The weird thing to me about that ratio is that it can be > 1. 20:26:24 --> novabyte has joined #instantbird 20:26:53 <-- novabyte has quit (Quit: bye bye) 20:44:22 --> unghost has joined #instantbird 20:47:24 <clokep_work> Posted on my blog too...so it'll go on planet. 20:47:26 --> jb has joined #instantbird 20:47:56 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 20:49:38 <-- Huvik has quit (Ping timeout) 20:54:32 <-- jb has quit (Input/output error) 20:55:38 --> jb has joined #instantbird 21:04:22 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:04:54 --> atuljangra has joined #instantbird 21:05:19 <atuljangra> Santa Clara, California, U.S.A. it is :-) #summit2013 21:05:26 <atuljangra> \o/ 21:06:45 <douglaswth> ? 21:07:10 <atuljangra> summit 2013 invitation is out. 21:08:01 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 21:15:10 <douglaswth> some sort of mozilla event? 21:15:23 <atuljangra> yes. 21:19:21 <-- jb has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:19:27 --> jb has joined #instantbird 21:23:32 <Mic> atuljangra: aren't they going to have more than one event this time? 21:23:45 <Mic> (In different places) 21:34:27 <atuljangra> Mic: yes, there are 3 different places. Events will take place simultaneously at all three of them. 21:41:43 <Mic> You were invited to California then? 21:42:42 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 21:45:04 <atuljangra> yes :) 21:45:26 <Mic> Cool! 21:45:55 * atuljangra wanted toronto instead, as all of the people I know are there :/ 21:45:59 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 21:57:26 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 22:07:01 <-- Huvik has quit (Ping timeout) 22:13:49 <Nirgali> I'm headed to San Francisco ^.^ 22:14:02 <Nirgali> first and last weeks in june and last week in july 22:18:34 <Mic> Good night 22:19:13 <atuljangra> Nirgali: you are also invited to santa clara? 22:20:28 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 22:26:14 <-- atuljangra has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 22:34:09 <Nirgali> I was not invited to santa clara 22:34:12 <Nirgali> they don't want me there 22:34:32 <Nirgali> but we have an office in SF so I am going there for training and other such things 22:34:46 <Nirgali> also going to see video games live when I visit in july 22:35:01 <-- unghost has quit (Input/output error) 22:49:21 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 22:59:19 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 22:59:19 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 23:04:28 * clokep was invited to Toronto. 23:07:03 <clokep> Seems like aleth was invited to Brussels... 23:07:38 <clokep> Is that list just volunteers? 23:17:22 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 23:29:03 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 23:32:29 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 23:32:43 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Client exited) 23:32:48 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 23:33:39 <-- sabret00the has quit (Quit: Leaving) 23:43:42 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 23:50:44 <-- dionisos has quit (Ping timeout) 23:59:23 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird