#instantbird log on 05 14 2013

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12:34:56 <clokep_work> Is the wiki down?
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13:01:03 <clokep_work> Bah, just blocked by the firewall...
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13:43:12 <nhnt11|phone> Hello
13:48:39 <clokep_work> Hello nhnt11|phone.
13:49:00 <nhnt11|phone> How is the RC coming
13:49:19 <nhnt11|phone> I just got home today :)
13:50:05 <clokep_work> There's been no progress as far as I know.
13:51:04 <nhnt11|phone> Hmm
13:51:35 <clokep_work> I think we're stuck waiting for Florian to take a look, unless someone wants to attempt to do the l10n builds locally to debug the issue.
13:51:39 <clokep_work> But I don't know how to do that.
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13:53:11 <nhnt11|phone> I can try for Mac tomorrow (though i don't know if that's easier said than done)
13:53:21 <nhnt11|phone> I'm completely free
13:55:05 <clokep_work> I think Mac works. ;)
13:55:19 <clokep_work> Oh, I lied.
13:55:26 <clokep_work> macos and win32 failed: http://buildbot.instantbird.org/waterfall
13:56:09 <nhnt11|phone> Yeah
13:56:43 <nhnt11|phone> clokep_work: Any GSOC news? ;)
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13:58:20 <clokep_work> nhnt11|phone: No.
13:58:33 <clokep_work> I'm sure announcements will be made once we have some.
14:00:05 <nhnt11|phone> Okay :)
14:02:46 <clokep_work> About all I can say is we've gone through the applications, but I'm not sure what the "next" step is for us.
14:03:12 <nhnt11|phone> Okay. I was just curious 
14:03:28 <clokep_work> Yup.
14:03:31 <clokep_work> Sorry I can't give any more information.
14:03:37 <nhnt11|phone> I'd also understand if you couldn't say anything (which is what i expected, frankly)
14:03:47 <nhnt11|phone> No problem
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14:11:01 <aleth> Looks like we got a release spike without releasing ;) http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/stats/last2years.php
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14:17:58 <flo-retina> aleth: that's interesting
14:18:06 <flo-retina> aleth: I guess that's the effect of stopping nightlies
14:19:06 <aleth> Do we have O(500) nightly users?
14:19:50 <flo-retina> maybe? :)
14:20:08 <aleth> Not bad :)
14:21:47 <aleth> That would mean our "release spikes" other than 1.0 should be more or less that size, which seems to fit
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14:22:31 <clokep_work> Why would we have a spike from that? :-S
14:22:55 <flo-retina> clokep_work: we have an update ping at most every 24h
14:23:30 <flo-retina> clokep_work: if users update we don't ping for at least 24h (even if they clicked "check for updates")
14:23:48 <aleth> Hmm I doubt most nightly users manually check for updates every day
14:23:58 <flo-retina> hmm
14:24:06 <flo-retina> yeah, I'm not really convinced by what I just wrote ;)
14:24:08 <clokep_work> I do. :-D
14:24:15 <flo-retina> trying to remember
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14:24:26 <flo-retina> clokep_work: then you are *never* counted in the stats
14:24:36 <clokep_work> :'(
14:24:48 <clokep_work> (I don't do it /every/ day.)
14:24:54 <flo-retina> oh, now I remember: I think if we find an update, then we don't ping again as long as the user hasn't decided to install / skip it.
14:24:55 <clokep_work> Just when I know I'm behind.
14:25:00 <flo-retina> If there's no update, we ping everyday.
14:25:07 <aleth> clokep is dark matter!
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15:10:30 <Huvik> in icq chat window i don t type all text windows like 20 sec move up like 1 px its bug or it should work like it?
15:17:37 <flo-retina> Huvik: it's the intended behavior. See http://blog.instantbird.org/2011/06/introducing-time-bubbles/ for the details.
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15:20:47 <Huvik> i was just wondering if i have hallucination or it should work like this :)
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15:28:40 <flo-retina> it would be nice if we could make these "1px jumps" invisible.
15:28:52 <flo-retina> but I don't know how we could move things by less than a pixel :-/
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15:31:57 <Huvik> i was just distracted i was trying to build something with gtk but failed :D
15:33:11 * clokep_work doesn't notice them anymore.
15:33:24 <Huvik> why?
15:33:37 <clokep_work> Because it's amazing what the brain can get used to after years. ;)
15:33:38 <Huvik> i was looking for some multiplatform gui
15:33:50 <clokep_work> XUL? :P
15:34:07 <Huvik> :D
15:35:06 <Huvik> hmm
15:35:12 <Huvik> i think i will do it in XUL :D
15:40:09 <Huvik> gona be challenge 
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15:43:34 <clokep_work> I do wonder if we could somehow play with gradients or something to make the 1 pixel motion less noticeable.
15:45:43 <Huvik> or change time?
15:46:13 <Huvik> its each 10s right?
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16:02:41 <flo-retina> Huvik: have you read the blog post I linked?
16:02:46 <flo-retina> (I assume not)
16:02:55 <Huvik> not whole
16:03:13 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I wonder if we could do 0.25 or 0.5 steps, and rely on antialiasing to improve the result.
16:04:35 <clokep_work> flo-retina: That sounds plausible, yes. :)
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17:43:43 <flo-retina> http://queze.net/goinfre/mamie/lavare2013-2/IMG_0616.jpg was the most rusted 2cv I saw this week-end.
17:44:01 <flo-retina> there was even a fish in it: http://queze.net/goinfre/mamie/lavare2013-2/IMG_0615.jpg ;)
17:44:25 <clokep_work> Was the fish alive? :-S
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17:46:09 <flo-retina> yes
17:46:34 <flo-retina> from what people around the car were saying, it's a kind of fish that can live 3+ weeks without eating
17:47:04 <flo-retina> and the next day the fish was no longer there, so I suspect they kept it in there only for one day to have the most remarked car ;)
17:49:41 <flo-retina> http://queze.net/goinfre/mamie/lavare2013-2/IMG_0643.jpg was also fun; closer look at the sticker: http://queze.net/goinfre/mamie/lavare2013-2/IMG_0644.jpg
17:53:53 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Btw is there anything I (or someone else) can do to help the release?
17:56:09 <flo-retina> fixing the build system mess I guess
17:56:20 <flo-retina> are we releasing on moz20 or 21?
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19:15:35 <clokep_work> flo: It seems like the Moz 21 upgrade is going to be a huge PITA.
19:19:18 <Huvik> btw nice car
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