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01:59:41 <nhnt11> flo-retina: I was thinking... would it be okay to start off the awesometab project with an add-on as a prototype?
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18:12:20 <aleth> Uploaded a screenshot faded to a transparent background. Good catch!
18:12:41 <aleth> flo-retina: You'll have to replace the existing one in the blog post with it
18:14:09 <flo-retina> aleth: thanks
18:14:55 <aleth> I didn't notice at the time as the FF image previewer doesn't handle transparency very well.
18:15:46 <aleth> Any luck with the Windows build problem?
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20:27:11 <flo-retina> aleth: I haven't looked yet
20:27:28 <flo-retina> aleth: the only interesting thing is that it's possible to reproduce the issue on Mac :)
20:27:43 <flo-retina> http://queze.net/goinfre/mamie/IMG_0053_small.jpg taken today ;)
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20:37:42 <aleth> flo-retina: nice shot! interesting perspective (did you crouch?)
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20:40:29 <flo-retina> I almost always do when taking a picture of a car. I want the lense to be at the same height as the head lights
20:40:41 <nhnt11> Who uses linux here?
20:40:47 <aleth> nhnt11: me
20:40:54 <nhnt11> (I seem to be interrupting something about cars ;) )
20:41:04 <flo-retina> me; (very) rarely these days.
20:41:05 <nhnt11> Okay I just installed ubuntu 13.04
20:41:15 <nhnt11> And I downloaded instantbird
20:41:30 <flo-retina> nhnt11: yeah, I tend to post off topic pictures; especially during the week-ends :-]
20:41:32 <nhnt11> When i do $./instantbird, I get "./instantbird-bin: no such file or dir"
20:41:55 * nhnt11 quickly checks and sees that it's Wednesday
20:41:56 <flo-retina> are you on linux 64 bit?
20:42:00 <aleth> flo-retina: that definitely works - it looks right :)
20:42:12 <nhnt11> Yeah. I figured that may be the problem.. is it?
20:42:18 <nhnt11> I haven't used linux in aaaaages
20:42:24 <aleth> nhnt11: You have to install the 32 bit libraries
20:42:32 <aleth> (as we don't have a 64 bit build)
20:42:39 <flo-retina> nhnt11: sudo apt-get install ia32libs
20:42:45 <nhnt11> thanks
20:42:53 * aleth is reminded of the FAQ
20:43:07 <nhnt11> Hey I googled for 10 minutes before asking here ;(
20:43:07 <aleth> That's one of the things I wanted to add there...
20:43:10 <nhnt11> :( *
20:43:19 <nhnt11> Oh it's not in there. I thought I missed it.
20:43:33 <aleth> nhnt11: It's not there, it was just on my todo list ;)
20:44:05 <qlum> Just do it now, you know you will forget otherwise. 
20:44:18 * nhnt11 nods his head vigorously
20:44:30 <flo-retina> qlum: unfortunately the faq isn't as easy to edit as we would like
20:44:37 <flo-retina> (in large part because it's localized)
20:45:09 <qlum> well most people would still read the English version so that could be a start
20:45:33 <nhnt11> Oh no, the 32 bit libs are 277MB
20:45:45 <nhnt11> flo-retina: FYI, it's ia32-libs with a hyphen
20:45:54 <flo-retina> ok
20:46:04 <flo-retina> that was purely from what I could remember
20:46:08 <flo-retina> I'm on a Mac right now
20:46:14 <aleth> Distro-specific anyway.
20:46:22 <nhnt11> Yeah I know, thought I'd mention ;)
20:46:28 <aleth> nhnt11: thanks
20:47:01 <nhnt11> Linux seems extremely familiar and very alien at the same time :S
20:47:02 * aleth hopes most people who don't know how to find the right package will be on ubuntu...
20:47:36 <qlum> well if you know what you need to look for google is your friend or duckduckgo if you still have the default search engine on Mint
20:47:38 <nhnt11> aleth: Googling "32 bit libs <name of distro>" should help
20:48:00 <aleth> qlum: linux mint is also debian underneath
20:48:13 <qlum> no i mean duckduckgo instead of google
20:48:26 <qlum> and its even ubuntu underneath if you are not on the debian edition
20:48:44 <qlum> for some things that does make a difference
20:48:54 <aleth> nhnt11: I just meant we can't actually provide command-line instructions for all distros
20:48:57 <flo-retina> they make it so complicated :(
20:49:28 <aleth> Yes :(
20:50:22 <qlum> as far as I remembered mint came with the libraries by default
20:50:38 * nhnt11 is really unsure of whether to keep using linux or go back to hackintosh
20:50:58 <qlum> stay linux
20:51:06 <qlum> if you are not a gamer and need windows
20:51:31 <nhnt11> No, I just wiped my Windows installation in order to get Ubuntu
20:51:45 <nhnt11> Haven't booted Windows in ages.
20:51:48 * nhnt11 nearly wiped his hackintosh partition before realizing that Windows was just sitting there :O
20:52:02 <flo-retina> to be fair, there are also some things that are way easier on linux :)
20:52:04 <qlum> I only tried osx once and I found it very annoying
20:52:14 <qlum> every time I tried a standard key combo it didn't work
20:52:23 <nhnt11> qlum: I fixed that by remapping the keys
20:52:39 <qlum> I also never really saw a benefit in using it
20:52:45 <nhnt11> qlum: If you mean alt+F4, I prefer ctrl+Q/cmd+Q any day.
20:53:02 <qlum> oh I meant basic copying behavior
20:53:06 <qlum> file management 
20:53:06 <nhnt11> I like it because it's ultra convenient for simple things like apps, and has all the power of unix at the same time
20:53:20 <nhnt11> What's wrong with file management? :S
20:53:28 <qlum> I can't remember was a while ago
20:53:41 <flo-retina> I suspect individual OS preferences are as off topic as car pictures ;)
20:54:07 <qlum> not as of topic as long as cars don't come packed with instantbird
20:54:41 <nhnt11> You sound like going off-topic is a crime ;)
20:54:48 <flo-retina> nhnt11: everything is wrong with file management. On all OSes I've ever tried. The basic problem is that "file" and "folders" are machine concepts that shouldn't be imposed on users when they aren't relevant ;)
20:54:50 <Mook_as> paint the car instanbird-brown! :D
20:55:29 <qlum> I never found that an issue
20:55:31 <nhnt11> flo-retina: I've never found files and folders inconvenient
20:55:43 <qlum> What I did find an issue is that a lot of them think of a magical user folder
20:55:51 <qlum> that somehow sits on top of every thing
20:55:56 <nhnt11> I find it far far easier to keep my filesystem organized than the desk in my room
20:55:57 <aleth> Mook_as: I think I'd prefer the website to go AMI-green ;)
20:55:58 <qlum> outside the default file tree
20:56:11 <aleth> (and it's not even my car ;) )
20:56:23 <nhnt11> qlum: Who is "a lot of them"
20:56:27 <nhnt11> users or OSes?
20:56:49 <qlum> OSes more specifically file managers
20:57:01 <qlum> a lot of the linux ones also believe in those magic folders
20:57:06 <flo-retina> Mook_as: was http://queze.net/goinfre/slides-moz-camp2011/#6.0 good enough to make it on-topic? :)
21:01:10 <flo-retina> I just looked at these slides again and like them. Too bad there were only 15 people or so in the room :-/
21:04:10 <aleth> Yup, looks like a great talk
21:04:50 <aleth> Maybe you'll have another opportunity for a version of it sometime...
21:06:48 <flo-retina> maybe someone else will do it? :)
21:07:16 <flo-retina> it's difficult to talk about webrtc stuff, and then Instantbird during the same FOSDEM ;)
21:08:53 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Nice presentation
21:09:37 <flo-retina> thanks
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