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00:07:43 <-- MMN-o has quit (Ping timeout) 00:13:52 --> MMN-o has joined #instantbird 00:14:55 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 00:24:33 <instant-buildbot> build #0 of macosx-release-1.4 is complete: Failure [failed shell_3] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-release-1.4/builds/0 00:30:57 <instant-buildbot> build #0 of linux-release-1.4 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-release-1.4/builds/0 00:34:32 --> EionRobb1 has joined #instantbird 00:34:59 <-- EionRobb has quit (Ping timeout) 00:35:44 --> nhnt11|phone has joined #instantbird 00:56:04 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 00:56:25 <-- EionRobb1 has quit (Ping timeout) 01:33:30 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 01:33:30 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 01:37:31 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 01:53:24 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 02:11:48 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 02:33:57 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 02:44:36 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 02:53:55 <-- nhnt11|phone has quit (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )) 03:44:02 <-- EionRobb has quit (Ping timeout) 03:44:08 <-- Mook has quit (Input/output error) 03:44:10 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 03:45:02 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 04:06:37 --> deOmega1 has joined #instantbird 04:08:20 <deOmega1> hi MIc With tabs on the bottom.. your smile addon does not work. I suppose that shoudl be expected since there is no statusbar,.. 04:08:38 <deOmega1> But couldn't we have teh smiley option on teh end of the text entry area? 04:08:48 <deOmega1> The right side 04:09:33 <deOmega1> This addon; https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/318 04:09:42 <deOmega1> Night. WIll check the log tomorrow 04:10:15 <-- deOmega1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 04:24:59 <-- wnayes has quit (Quit: wnayes) 04:35:25 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 04:58:25 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 05:00:53 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 05:02:22 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Connection reset by peer) 05:02:50 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 05:05:03 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 05:07:41 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 05:16:21 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 05:32:00 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 05:33:15 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: zzz) 05:35:30 <-- EionRobb has quit (Ping timeout) 05:35:37 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 05:46:06 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 05:54:45 --> atuljangra has joined #instantbird 06:09:03 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 06:59:31 <-- atuljangra has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 06:59:41 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 07:00:04 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 07:10:49 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 07:21:46 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 07:40:39 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 07:54:31 --> jb has joined #instantbird 08:02:28 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 08:13:42 --> jb has joined #instantbird 08:18:57 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 08:35:26 --> YH has joined #instantbird 08:39:04 <-- Huvik has quit (Quit: Huvik) 08:39:35 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 08:42:17 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 08:42:17 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 08:48:04 <Mic> deOmega: hi! It's a good suggestion to move it into the textbox (or over it, using a floating panel which is semi-transparent and fades in when you hover it with the mouse) but I'd need to make sure that it doesn't interact badly when the user is editing text. Unfortunately it doesn't sound like something that I've currently got time to implement. Sorry :( 08:49:40 <Mic> flo-retina, Even: the Windows and MacOS RCs failed to build. 09:05:36 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 09:05:36 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 09:07:19 <Even> Yeah, I saw hat. 09:07:22 <Even> *that 09:07:28 <Even> Though I don't know why they did ^^ 09:07:53 <Even> I'm looking into windows right now. 09:12:18 <aleth> yay RCs :) 09:12:36 <-- EionRobb has quit (Ping timeout) 09:13:02 <Mic> Yes, you were lucky ;) 09:13:10 * aleth is a bit disappointed bug 1880 did not land as it was (partly) a regression and the patch was sitting around for ages 09:13:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1880 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Clicking on "status dot" to go Online does not work 09:13:20 <aleth> Oh well, not that important either :) 09:15:08 <Even> ok 09:15:14 <Even> the Windows problem is a known one :( 09:15:32 <Even> I already talked about flo but I don't remember we thought about it enough to solve the issue :) 09:15:50 <Even> Well, I'm fixing it manually for now. 09:16:16 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 09:35:05 <-- gerard-majax_ has quit (Ping timeout) 09:40:59 <-- Huvik has quit (Quit: Huvik) 09:41:20 <aleth> Mic: Do you speak Polish or how did you get that locale ready? :) 09:41:47 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 09:41:54 <Mic> I emailed the translator nicely :) 09:42:04 <aleth> Mic: ah excellent :) 09:42:16 <Mic> Speaking of languages, I've always wondered what your native language is, aleth :) 09:42:46 <Mic> Your english's good enough that you could be a native speaker, imo ;) 09:43:27 <Mic> I totally understand if you wouldn't want to tell. You're quite concerned regarding personal details on the web from what I've seen. 09:44:01 <aleth> Yes it's my native language 09:46:09 <aleth> Do you know where the mozilla summit for Europe is going to be? 09:46:31 <Mic> I don't know? Have you applied on Mozillians? 09:46:39 <Mic> "I don't know." 09:46:45 <aleth> Well, so far I only added myself to that group... 09:47:18 <aleth> There doesn't seem to be any info there after you do that though. 09:48:13 <Even> Windows is bulding properly :) 09:48:19 <Mic> It would certainly be interesting but I've not contributed enough to Mozilla to apply for that with a good conscience. 09:48:23 <aleth> Thanks Even :) 09:48:32 <Even> My pleasure ^^ 09:48:57 <Even> I can't help for Mac OS X. 09:49:05 <Even> It seems a package is missing on the slave. 09:49:10 <Even> flo will have to look himself into it. 09:49:28 <aleth> Mic: I'm not sure about applying either, but will see as more details emerge 09:50:53 <aleth> I don't have a good idea of what a "mozilla summit" is ;) 09:52:13 <Even> I joined the group on Mozillians too. 09:52:16 <Even> After that we'll see. 09:53:23 <Even> But don't say you have not done enough. Working on a project as a side project when you have a "main" job is straining and is a significant dedication (or so I believe). 10:02:24 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Ciao) 10:02:26 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 10:02:26 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 10:04:43 <Mic> Deadline for signing up to the summit was April, 17th, so it's a bit late to reconsider :( 10:05:18 <-- Huvik has quit (Quit: Huvik) 10:07:26 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 10:10:10 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 10:14:17 <-- Huvik has quit (Quit: Huvik) 10:14:45 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 10:15:07 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:15:07 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 10:16:35 <-- Huvik has quit (Quit: Huvik) 10:17:39 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 10:23:20 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 10:26:03 <aleth> Mic: Could you look at the two add-on updates on AIO please? No real review needed (it's just upstream changes) 10:26:04 <Mic> Joined anyways, you never know ;) 10:26:12 * aleth is bumping add-ons 10:31:10 <Mic> Done! 10:31:12 <aleth> Mic: thanks :) 10:31:14 <Mic> Thanks for the notice. 10:31:22 <Mic> gtg 10:31:24 <aleth> I'd completely forgotten about them... 10:31:56 <Mic> I hadn't checked AIO either for a few weeks now. 10:32:06 <Mic> I should put that into a checklist. 10:32:10 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: No time to waste, let's go!) 10:33:18 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 10:35:50 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:35:50 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 10:35:50 <-- clokep has quit (Input/output error) 10:35:53 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:35:53 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 10:37:00 * aleth wonders if there is a way to mass-bump all the emoticon themes 10:37:14 <aleth> and the message styles... 10:38:39 <aleth> Probably not, or it would have been done that way for the last releases ;) 10:45:34 <clokep> aleth: Even or flo-retina can do it by touching the database directly, I believe. 10:48:12 <Even> Probably. 10:49:31 <-- clokep has quit (Connection reset by peer) 10:57:55 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 11:14:45 <flo-retina> aleth: the summit in Europe will be in Paris 11:15:24 <flo-retina> clokep, Even: the magic query to mass bump all message themes is on https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:release_process iirc 11:22:57 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Ciao) 11:22:58 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 11:22:59 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 11:32:41 * aleth has only a very vague idea of what 'talkilla' is, but wonders if there should be a JS proto for it at some point 11:37:51 <-- Huvik has quit (Ping timeout) 11:48:43 --> qlum has joined #instantbird 11:57:34 --> deOmega1 has joined #instantbird 11:57:40 <-- deOmega1 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 11:57:46 --> deOmega1 has joined #instantbird 12:00:24 --> coddler has joined #instantbird 12:01:38 <deOmega1> Mic: Thank you very much. That would be a really good implementation 12:02:12 <deOmega1> re: the smiley on the text entry area 12:09:49 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 12:09:49 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 12:10:10 <clokep_work> aleth: I think flo has mentioned that before. 12:10:33 <aleth> clokep_work: Really? Great :) 12:11:05 <aleth> I was looking at the talkilla wiki, which doesn't say much but does suggest a contact/presence API 12:11:58 <clokep_work> I think they've gone back and forth about how much of that to support? But I'm unsure. 12:12:01 * clokep_work shrugs. 12:12:13 <clokep_work> http://www.xkcd.com/927/ is all I have to say on the subject. ;) 12:12:35 <aleth> yes, and eventually it will support email ;) 12:12:48 * aleth notes IB seems to be approaching that point :P 12:14:48 <clokep_work> Bleh. 12:19:20 <-- coddler has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:19:22 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 12:22:35 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 12:23:00 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:23:09 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 12:26:51 <-- clokep_work has quit (Ping timeout) 12:27:47 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 12:27:47 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 12:29:57 <-- clokep_work has quit (Ping timeout) 12:34:10 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 12:35:41 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 12:35:41 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 12:45:01 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 12:46:35 --> jb has joined #instantbird 12:50:45 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 12:52:01 --> jb has joined #instantbird 12:52:16 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:52:23 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 12:52:23 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 12:55:30 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 12:57:39 --> jb has joined #instantbird 13:03:43 <-- YH has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 13:05:45 <-- Huvik has quit (Ping timeout) 13:20:00 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 13:20:29 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 13:20:29 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 13:23:34 <-- deOmega1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 13:26:56 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 13:31:25 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 13:44:24 <-- Huvik has quit (Ping timeout) 13:47:03 <instant-buildbot> build #2 of win32-release-1.4 is complete: Failure [failed shell_3] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-release-1.4/builds/2 13:49:35 <clokep_work> Hah. 13:49:46 <clokep_work> Highlight updated itself and started working again. :) 13:50:07 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 13:50:55 <aleth> clokep_work: Do you happen to have a highlight code that pings for Instantbird but not on #instantbird? Always wondered if that was possible with Highlight, but never actually checked 13:51:08 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 13:51:30 <clokep_work> aleth: It's the example on https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/250 ;) 13:51:58 <aleth> clokep_work: :D awesome! 13:52:05 <clokep_work> (Except I always find the logic in Highlight to be reversed from how I think...so I applied DeMorgan's law to that statement...) 13:52:45 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Ciao) 13:52:48 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 13:52:48 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 13:53:35 <-- Huvik has quit (Ping timeout) 13:56:34 <clokep_work> aleth: You don't need to restart after changing it btw. 13:56:39 <clokep_work> (ALthough maybe you were updating.) 13:56:48 <aleth> clokep_work: I just installed it. 13:57:15 <clokep_work> Hm...it doesn't seem to show these pings in convs on hold thouhg. :-S 13:57:45 <aleth> Probably hooks into messages when they are displayed, which is a bit late. 13:58:44 <aleth> (for convs on hold that is) 13:58:46 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 14:01:09 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I think it was created before convs on hold existed 14:01:23 <flo-retina> I'm disappointed that the win build failed :( 14:01:53 <clokep_work> aleth: Probably, just disappointing. :( 14:03:33 <aleth> clokep_work: It does mean it won't work for the use case of "#maildev will open itself if something interesting happens there" ;) 14:06:13 <aleth> Even thought he had fixed the Windows issue :( 14:07:02 <flo-retina> aleth: it's a different one 14:07:18 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 14:09:17 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 14:16:24 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 14:17:55 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 14:41:41 <flo-retina> Mac is uploading 14:48:28 <-- clokep_work has quit (Ping timeout) 14:50:54 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 14:50:55 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 14:51:49 <aleth> I hope some of the students interested in Skype will apply for some of the other projects instead... 14:57:49 <-- mpmc has quit (Connection reset by peer) 15:00:47 <qlum> you mean people are actually interested in getting skype working 15:00:48 <clokep_work> Hopefully. :-/ 15:01:02 <qlum> Personally I think skype never really works well in other clients 15:01:17 <aleth> qlum: Their licensing among other things makes it very difficult 15:01:41 <qlum> I remembered in the past other clients just had to have skype open at the same time 15:02:25 <qlum> furthermore since as far as I know instantbird doesn't really work with sound and video it would be kind of useless. 15:02:54 <clokep_work> qlum: There's al ot of build in assumptions to what you just said. 15:03:09 <clokep_work> 1. Skype does not need to be left open if you use their SDK instead of their desktop API. 15:03:13 <-- Huvik has quit (Quit: Huvik) 15:03:26 <clokep_work> 2. Instantbird doesn't currently support voice / video, you make it sound like it works poorly. 15:03:41 <clokep_work> And if you initiate video using their Skype SDK, I believe it opens in a separate window. 15:03:47 <qlum> well I remember that was the case way back, when I still used skype 15:03:48 <clokep_work> 3. A TON of people use Skype for text chat. 15:04:02 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 15:05:13 <qlum> way back means more then 5 years ago 15:08:06 <qlum> naturally now with microsoft owning skype instead of ebay things are a little different. 15:11:30 <clokep_work> This was all from before MS bought them. 15:11:48 <qlum> yes but was it the case in 2007? 15:12:26 <qlum> or 2008, can't remember 15:13:49 --> Nirgali has joined #instantbird 15:14:10 <Nirgali> Greetings! 15:14:56 <clokep_work> In 2010, probably. 15:14:58 <clokep_work> Nirgali: Hello. 15:15:39 <Nirgali> hey, I'm curious if someone here has used instantbird for hipchat 15:15:51 <clokep_work> That's some XMPP thing, right? I think someone here was using it... 15:15:52 <clokep_work> What's up? 15:16:58 <Nirgali> hipchat has this crazy thing it does, when you join a conference from a client, all other clients receive an invite to that conference 15:17:44 <Nirgali> hipchat uses a numerical ID for its user 15:17:56 <clokep_work> OK. 15:18:15 <Nirgali> but it uses your nick name to join conferences 15:18:34 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Ciao) 15:18:46 <Nirgali> that id is sent out instead of the user name and other clients get a nifty server message 15:19:15 <Nirgali> the message indicates they must connect to the group chat with the nick name rather than the numerical ID 15:19:46 <Nirgali> I wonder if it is possible to catch that server message and format it correctly 15:20:28 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 15:21:19 <clokep_work> Nirgali: It's certainly possible. We'd need the actual message and such. 15:22:08 <-- rosonline has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:22:27 <Nirgali> I don't know about the raw message, but this is what the client shows me: 11:21:51 - hipchat.com: [ERROR] Please use the nickname "Derek Mart" instead of "37252_263038" when joining rooms. Setup instructions for common clients are available online at http://help.hipchat.com 15:22:49 --> coddler has joined #instantbird 15:22:59 <Nirgali> is there a transaction log for instantbird? 15:25:09 <Nirgali> I imagine this can be done with a simple addon 15:26:04 <clokep_work> Nirgali: "transaction log"? 15:26:08 <clokep_work> What version of Instantbird are you on? 15:26:16 <Nirgali> a log file that shows raw messages received and sent 15:26:29 <Nirgali> 1.3 15:28:00 <clokep_work> No log file. 15:28:04 <clokep_work> 1.4 includes it in the account manager. 15:28:12 <clokep_work> It'll be released soon (or you could try a nightly). 15:28:34 <Nirgali> cool 15:29:25 <Nirgali> do you guys have a good process for checking in code? I'd use nightly, but sometimes there is no guarantee that users verify their code before sending to svn :) 15:29:41 <Nirgali> generally speaking 15:29:47 <flo-retina> Nirgali: everything goes through code review 15:29:52 <Nirgali> sweet 15:30:02 <flo-retina> Nirgali: and we usually verify that things still work before pushing 15:30:04 <Nirgali> you guys have a good project 15:30:09 <Nirgali> beats adium by far 15:30:19 <clokep_work> And we don't use SVN. ;) 15:30:24 <Nirgali> git 15:30:26 <Nirgali> whatever 15:30:27 <flo-retina> Nirgali: it can happen that a nightly is partly or completely broken, but that's rare (I would say once or twice a year on average) 15:30:40 <flo-retina> and that's what nightlies are there for anyway: catching our mistakes quickly :) 15:30:46 <Nirgali> heh 15:30:48 <Nirgali> indeed 15:31:01 <clokep_work> And usually if they're broken it's only for a day. 15:31:19 <Nirgali> I'll grab nightly and see if the message provides more details 15:31:31 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 15:31:39 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 15:31:42 <clokep_work> Anyway, I'm not sure if this can be done via an add-on or not...can you intercept XMPP messages like that flo-retina? 15:31:45 <Nirgali> what's interesting is when joining the conference on other clients, hipchat joins that conference without issue 15:32:07 <flo-retina> clokep_work: it's likely possible, but I'm not sure 15:32:23 <flo-retina> and it would really be easier to see what the XMPP stanzas are, rather than speculating 15:32:31 <flo-retina> ah wait, that's libpurple xmpp, not js-xmpp, right? :-/ 15:32:50 <Nirgali> hope you're not asking me 15:32:51 --> jb has joined #instantbird 15:33:08 <Nirgali> I don't think hipchat uses libpurple 15:33:16 <clokep_work> Nirgali: Instantbird does. 15:33:19 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Yes, it would be. :( 15:33:35 * clokep_work wonders if HipChat has enough weird things that someone would be interested in making it a separate prpl... 15:34:15 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 15:34:27 <Nirgali> yeah another weird thing is the "mention" they use @name for nick completion and the hipchat client does wierd crap with that 15:34:46 <Nirgali> it also has s/search/replace/ ability on the last message you type 15:35:07 --> jb has joined #instantbird 15:35:18 <Nirgali> s/last/first/ 15:35:29 <Nirgali> as an example :) 15:35:34 <clokep_work> Nirgali: Someone in here had complained about the @name before...and made an extension for it. 15:35:45 * clokep_work would like s/foo/bar/ to work in Instantbird. 15:36:06 <Nirgali> I think the transport needs to support that? 15:36:14 <Nirgali> I don't know much about this sort of thing 15:36:32 <clokep_work> Nirgali: https://github.com/spiffytech/instantbird_replacer 15:36:36 <Nirgali> is there a general bucket a client can use to send information to other users using the same client 15:36:49 <clokep_work> We'd need to see the XML to know what they're doing. 15:36:51 <Nirgali> I mean for development purposes 15:37:00 <Nirgali> and speaking generally 15:37:08 <clokep_work> I don't know what you mean, sorry. 15:37:08 <Nirgali> I know there are base protocol things for each transport 15:37:23 <Nirgali> but is there an extended set that you can put custom messages in 15:37:39 <Nirgali> that users of the same client will interpret 15:38:12 <Nirgali> nevermind, it's unimportant 15:38:43 <Nirgali> "because their highlighting policy is stupid" I agree 15:39:44 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 15:39:56 <clokep_work> I don't know XMPP well enough to comment on whether you can send arbitrary content. 15:40:41 <Nirgali> I mean it's supposed to be an extensible protocol :) 15:42:18 <clokep_work> Yup. 15:44:04 <clokep_work> !seen spiffytech 15:44:05 <instantbot> I've never seen a 'spiffytech', sorry. 15:44:15 <clokep_work> Oh...he's in here. Haha. :) 15:44:32 <clokep_work> You might want to ask spiffytech if he's solved any of these issues / maybe you guys can work together to do it? :) 15:44:45 <Nirgali> that would be cool 15:45:55 <Nirgali> looks like I need a javascript interpreter 15:46:16 <clokep_work> Instantbird has one. :p 15:46:34 <Nirgali> oh okay 15:46:55 <Nirgali> can I just drop the javascript into the addons directory? 15:47:26 <clokep_work> No, it has to be inside of an XPI / extension folder. 15:47:47 <clokep_work> I think we have a wiki page on this...one second. 15:48:07 <clokep_work> Nirgali: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Extension 15:48:09 <Nirgali> so instantbird uses the @ for nick completion 15:48:46 <Nirgali> there is no dana, only XUL! 15:49:01 <Nirgali> sorry I say that everytime I see XUL 15:55:24 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 15:56:30 <-- coddler has left #instantbird () 15:56:44 <-- Nirgali has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:56:57 --> Nirgali has joined #instantbird 15:58:01 <-- Nirgali has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:58:47 <clokep_work> That extension suppoesdly makes it work, yes. 15:58:51 --> Nirgali has joined #instantbird 15:59:48 <-- qlum has quit (Quit: Getting the <censored> out.) 16:07:18 --> qlum has joined #instantbird 16:11:54 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 16:13:30 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 16:13:31 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 16:13:31 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 16:15:13 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 16:15:55 --> mikk_s has joined #instantbird 16:22:14 <instant-buildbot> build #1 of macosx-release-1.4 is complete: Failure [failed shell_3] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-release-1.4/builds/1 16:30:35 <-- Huvik has quit (Quit: Huvik) 16:31:27 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 16:32:44 <-- mconley has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:33:03 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 16:35:03 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 16:46:36 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 17:00:27 <-- mikk_s has quit (Client exited) 17:00:37 --> mikk_s has joined #instantbird 17:02:17 <-- Huvik has quit (Ping timeout) 17:02:40 <-- mikk_s has quit (Client exited) 17:02:50 --> mikk_s has joined #instantbird 17:04:44 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 17:07:18 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 17:07:28 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 17:09:03 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 17:09:51 <-- mikk_s has quit (Client exited) 17:20:00 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 17:23:24 <flo-retina> uploading builds would be a lot less painful if we dropped partial mars that weight almost as much as the complete mars :-/ 17:23:48 <clokep_work> "almost" being...75%ish? 17:23:51 <clokep_work> How hard would that be to add? 17:28:44 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 17:29:24 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 17:29:25 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 17:29:45 <flo-retina> like, this is just ridiculous: 17:29:46 <flo-retina> instantbird-1.4.cs.mac.complete.mar 100% 39MB 62.8KB/s 10:35 17:29:47 <flo-retina> instantbird-1.4.cs.mac.partial.from-20120805185703.mar 100% 37MB 58.7KB/s 10:38 17:29:50 <flo-retina> instantbird-1.4.cs.mac.partial.from-20121113142845.mar 100% 36MB 59.3KB/s 10:22 17:30:07 <clokep_work> Whoa, Mac builds are HUGE. 17:31:19 <flo-retina> uploading each locale takes half an hour... 17:31:53 <flo-retina> also, the machine we used to build previous releases was different, so the compiler is likely different, so we probably have binary files that are 100% different... 17:32:45 <flo-retina> "half an hour" just for the mar files 17:37:02 <-- gerard-majax_ has quit (Ping timeout) 17:40:39 <clokep_work> :-/ 17:42:51 <-- mconley has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:43:10 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 17:51:36 <-- mpmc has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:08:45 <flo-retina> I think I'll just delete these partial update mar files 18:10:17 <Nirgali> well I got the error messages in the console for the hipchat issue 18:13:09 <clokep_work> Nirgali: OK. As flo said earlier...this is most likely using libpurple's XMPP implementation...which we're not really fixing bugs in as we hope to replace it soon. 18:13:23 <Nirgali> oh okay 18:13:45 <Nirgali> there is a reference to lib purple 18:14:02 <Nirgali> out of curiosity, why switching from libpurple? 18:14:28 <clokep_work> Because we have our own implementation that is more flexible. 18:14:32 <clokep_work> And not GPLed. 18:14:36 <Nirgali> fwiw, I didn't jump on the libpurple bandwagon. I didn't like it. 18:14:52 <clokep_work> There are probably other reasons too. :P 18:14:57 <Nirgali> hehe 18:15:28 <Nirgali> back when gaim switched to libpurple and renamed to pidgin, the code base I was enjoying went out the window 18:15:47 <clokep_work> OK. 18:16:04 <Nirgali> too much info I guess 18:16:05 <clokep_work> libpurple is "good" to quickly add multi protocol support to a program. 18:16:06 <Nirgali> sorry 18:16:08 <clokep_work> But I can't say I'm a fan of it. 18:16:58 <Nirgali> well, I think it is good to start out with it and then work away from it after you become familiar enough with that kind of development 18:17:10 <Nirgali> but taking an old project and switching to it... 18:17:50 <Nirgali> well anyway 18:18:22 <Nirgali> is there a roadmap for the in-house replacement? 18:18:27 <clokep_work> It's my understanding that gaim become pidgin...not that it "switched" backends. 18:18:36 <clokep_work> I don't really know what you mean by that. 18:18:48 <clokep_work> There are some bugs filed. 18:18:53 <clokep_work> GTalk and Facebook already use our XMPP stuff. 18:19:06 <Nirgali> I saw that on the site 18:19:10 <Nirgali> I was impressed :) 18:19:13 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 18:19:57 <Nirgali> gaim did become pidgin, it's my understanding that it was a complete rework from the ground up 18:21:07 <flo-retina> Nirgali: that understanding is wrong 18:21:12 <flo-retina> libpurple is what used to be libgaim 18:21:23 <Nirgali> right 18:22:03 <flo-retina> and if my understanding is correct (I wasn't around yet at the time) libgaim and Gaim were separated at the time to simplify the creation of Adium. 18:22:06 <Nirgali> the name changed because of the crap AOL dished out 18:22:38 <Nirgali> but in looking at the code tree, it seemed to me that it was a complete rewrite, I guess I could be wrong 18:22:59 <Nirgali> I used to be one of the core beta testers but my memory is often faulty 18:23:51 <Nirgali> maybe I'm confusing adium 18:23:56 <Nirgali> one of the two was a complete rewrite 18:25:11 <Nirgali> at the very least the pidgin UI was a rewrite, maybe not the protocol suite 18:25:36 <Nirgali> because the addon I was working on I had to stop after the switcharoo 18:27:06 <clokep_work> They broke API compatibility, doesn't mean it was a complete rewrite. 18:27:18 <Nirgali> fair enough 18:27:26 <flo-retina> Nirgali: it was Gaim 2.0 that reworked large parts of the UI (and back-end) 18:27:46 <flo-retina> it certainly wasn't a complete rewrite though :) 18:27:55 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 18:28:03 <Nirgali> gotcha 18:28:12 <Nirgali> I'm not trying to be right here 18:28:29 <Nirgali> ^.^ 18:28:48 <Nirgali> sigh being paged again 18:36:07 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 18:40:01 <nhnt11> Hi clokep_work, flo-retina. My exams start from tomorrow (technically today, it's 12:10am), so I won't be able to hang around here much. 18:42:05 <nhnt11> I hope to send another updated version of my proposal in a day or two max. I'd appreciate any other feedback you have before I finally submit it. 18:59:24 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Ping timeout) 19:00:44 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 19:02:25 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 19:04:28 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 19:06:11 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 19:10:33 <clokep_work> nhnt11: FYI I'm going on vacation and won't have internet access (most likely) for about a week. 19:10:45 <clokep_work> But flo should be able to respond (and I think Mic had some comments). 19:11:54 <nhnt11> That's great, have fun! 19:12:31 <nhnt11> I've already updated the proposal to discuss the ranking parameters a bit 19:14:03 <-- Huvik has quit (Ping timeout) 19:14:18 <clokep_work> Cool. :) 19:14:26 <clokep_work> I'll be around until tomorrow afternoon (my time). 19:15:07 * nhnt11 quickly checks his clock 19:15:27 <nhnt11> That's somewhere around 24 hours? 19:15:58 <clokep_work> Probably more like 22 hours from now, yes. :) 19:19:32 <nhnt11> Quick question: since I don't have any work/internship experience, would it be better to just omit that section completely? 19:19:59 <clokep_work> I think it's better to show that you acknowledge it than for someone to think you forgot to do it. 19:20:19 <nhnt11> That makes sense, thanks. 19:28:32 --> coddler has joined #instantbird 19:28:53 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout) 19:29:27 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 19:32:38 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 19:45:41 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 19:46:22 <-- Huvik has quit (Quit: Huvik) 19:47:23 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 19:47:26 <-- Huvik has quit (Quit: Huvik) 19:56:59 <-- qlum has quit (Quit: Getting the <censored> out.) 20:05:03 --> jb has joined #instantbird 20:06:06 <-- coddler has left #instantbird () 20:07:38 <-- nhnt11 has left #instantbird () 20:07:46 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 20:11:06 --> jb has joined #instantbird 20:16:23 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 20:17:55 <-- wnayes has quit (Quit: wnayes) 20:20:01 --> jb has joined #instantbird 20:20:08 <-- jb has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:21:07 --> jb has joined #instantbird 20:22:04 --> qlum has joined #instantbird 20:22:56 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 20:27:54 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 20:29:32 --> jb has joined #instantbird 20:31:25 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 20:43:14 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 20:47:10 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 20:47:26 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 20:47:57 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 20:47:58 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 20:53:59 --> jb has joined #instantbird 21:01:56 <flo-retina> The Mac rc is ready to be tested 21:10:31 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:18:08 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 21:18:08 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 21:19:14 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Quit: FireFly_TB) 21:19:42 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 21:19:51 --> jb has joined #instantbird 21:29:04 <clokep> :) Any word on the Windows one? 21:30:05 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 21:31:46 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 21:33:14 <Mic> It's compiling... 21:34:06 <Mic> Great, now I'm wondering if flo is participating in a sword fight on office chairs at the moment ;) 21:35:27 <Mic> (That's a reference to xkcd 303 for all those who don't know it. It's lame to mention that but hopefully it will keep people from thinking that I'm completely weird;) 21:41:32 <Mic> Good night 21:41:35 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: No time to waste, let's go!) 21:44:08 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 22:02:30 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 22:06:19 <-- Nirgali has quit (Ping timeout) 22:22:31 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 22:29:20 <-- qlum has quit (Client exited) 22:42:18 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 23:03:37 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 23:08:04 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 23:09:11 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 23:17:24 <-- mpmc has quit (Connection reset by peer) 23:52:38 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout) 23:52:58 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird