#instantbird log on 04 28 2013

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00:57:56 <instant-buildbot> build #394 of win32-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/394
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03:15:11 <clokep> nhnt11: I'm not saying it's not complicated, just that it's already used. :)
03:15:18 <clokep> And you're welcome.
03:16:09 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1700 to FIXED.
03:16:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1700 nor, --, 1.4, aleth, RESO FIXED, Contact selection is messed up with selecting the contact below the selected contact on an unfocused
03:16:38 <nhnt11> clokep: Okay :)
03:16:40 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1948 to FIXED.
03:16:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1948 min, --, 1.4, aleth, RESO FIXED, Reference to undefined property this._account.maxMessageLength
03:17:23 <clokep> nhnt11: Mostly I'm a proponent of getting things for free if we can. :)
03:18:02 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1935 to FIXED.
03:18:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1935 min, --, 1.4, nhnt11, RESO FIXED, Blackslash not handled correctly in CTCP messages.
03:18:23 <nhnt11> Hey, that's one reason we all support open source, right? ;)
03:18:39 * nhnt11 thinks everything should be free
03:22:23 <nhnt11> clokep: Do you really think I should get into the details of the ranking algorithm in my proposal?
03:22:44 <clokep> nhnt11: I think I said to discuss what parameters you're thinking to use.
03:23:08 <nhnt11> You did. I was just wondering where to draw the line.
03:23:18 <nhnt11> Discussing the parameters is probably enough
03:25:27 <clokep> I'm not saying you need to discuss the algorithm, but what parameters you'd use, maybe why they're important.
03:25:38 <clokep> Just enough to show us you've thought a bit abou twhat the algorithm might entail.
03:26:15 <nhnt11> Sounds good. I /have/ thought about it after all. (We had a discussion on it on IRC too as you may have seen in the logs)
03:29:56 <clokep> Yes, I know. :) But it's good to formalize things.
03:31:10 <clokep> I'd strongly suggest away from this "session" concept, by the way.
03:31:26 <clokep> It's poorly defined, and many people will close windows after every mesage.
03:32:17 <nhnt11> I don't intend the "session" concept to be visible to the user
03:32:31 <nhnt11> I just used the phrase to describe how the frequency count would be incremented
03:33:15 <clokep> I know you're ont suggesting it be visible to the user, I just think it needs to be thought through carefully (and I wouldn't suggest doing it that way).
03:33:39 <nhnt11> Okay. I probably won't use that terminology. I agree that it sounds vague and confusing
03:37:25 <clokep> Mmhmm.
03:37:33 <instant-buildbot> build #850 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/850
03:39:07 <clokep> nhnt11: Btw, congrats on your first check-in. :)
03:39:15 <nhnt11> Ah thanks :)
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08:32:48 <Mic> The polish locale seems to be ready too! :)
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08:47:31 <flo-retina> Mic++ for getting the pl locale ready!
08:47:40 <flo-retina> (that was unexpected! :))
08:50:09 <Mic> I wanted to catch Tonnes too because of the few missing strings for NL but he has evaded me so far ;)
08:54:41 <flo-retina> he replied to clokep
08:55:20 <flo-retina> an, clokep cc'ed only me, not team to the reply
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09:07:03 <Mic> !seen qlum
09:07:04 <instantbot> qlum was last seen 11 hours, 49 minutes ago, saying 'btw will the completed translations be available for the nightlies or do I have to wait till the final 1.4 for my dutch translation (dutch dictionary in some channels)' in #instantbird.
09:15:59 <Mic> pah, Yahoo email filter rules work using the folder names. Renaming a folder will break the rules that use it. :(
09:16:28 <Mic> I'm glad I noticed before my daily bugspam arrived ;)
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12:21:54 <clokep> Yeah, sorry. I was quickly replying to Tonnes and flo's name auto-completes so... ;)
12:23:21 <Mic> clokep: thanks, I had a chat with flo already.
12:23:35 <clokep> Yeah, I know. :) Just apologizing.
12:24:51 <Mic> No need to apologize, I'm glad you had contacted him already.
12:25:28 <clokep> We should have made release notes before doing l10n so they could be localized. :-/
12:26:48 <Mic> Don't we have a list on the wiki were we could note that for next time?
12:27:16 <Mic> I need to leave though, so have a nice day!
12:27:31 <Mic> Good luck building the RCs!
12:27:36 <clokep> Thanks! BYe.
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14:11:25 <flo-retina> clokep: I assume you haven't received nl strings yet, right?
14:11:41 <clokep> flo-retina: No.
14:20:48 <flo-retina> qlum: is Dutch your native language?
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14:39:49 <clv> Dear, will it still be possible to use the Live Messenger protocol within Instantbird when the official Live Messenger ends, or Skype will be the only option?
14:44:33 <clokep> clv: That's a complicated question. My understanding is that once the Live Messenger is disabled (I think that's in a few weeks?) you'll still be able to use clients to connect to the service for about a year.
14:44:56 <clokep> At which point the full MSN network will be disabled and you will have to use Skype.
14:45:03 <clokep> Instantbird does not currently support Skype.
14:46:42 <clv> clokep: OK, good news, I don't like the Skype chat interface.. Thank you.
14:46:58 <clokep> clv: You're welcome.
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16:40:56 <qlum> oh I was away but yes Dutch is my native language
16:49:08 <flo-retina> could you translate the 8 missing strings of the nl locale for 1.4?
16:49:29 <qlum> sure if you can give me the strings
16:50:03 <flo-retina> qlum: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/184854
16:50:17 <flo-retina> don't translate the localization notes of course :)
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16:58:00 <qlum> I am still a bit confused on some of the lines
16:58:17 <qlum> for example nick would refer to how its called within irc
16:58:30 <qlum> so technically that should not even be translated right?
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17:08:45 <flo-retina> qlum: it depends if it's been translated in other cases where it's used in English, and if "nick" is likely to be understood by users in that locale
17:09:38 <qlum> yea I figured later on to translate it with naam having looked at it in context 
17:10:01 <flo-retina> it looks to me like it's been translated in other cases: http://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/nl/file/cf3b735e1187/chat/irc.properties#l47
17:10:29 <flo-retina> looks like "bijnaam" is what's used
17:10:56 <qlum> yea
17:11:20 <qlum> it seems the whole translation is quite literal.
17:11:37 <qlum> I am only struggling with the twitter part
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17:12:04 <qlum> as it doesn't fit well within dutch grammar and I don't know how the screen looks like as I have no twitter account. 
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17:17:30 <qlum> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/184855
17:17:33 <qlum> I think I managed
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17:20:21 <qlum> oops one tiny thing
17:20:27 <flo-retina> username stays in english?
17:20:43 <qlum> where?
17:21:24 <flo-retina> 19. command.follow=%S &lt;username&gt;[ &lt;username&gt;]*: Volg gebruiker / gebruikers.
17:21:49 <qlum> oh, I just saw them as syntax 
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17:23:08 <flo-retina> http://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/nl/file/cf3b735e1187/chat/twitter.properties  may be useful to find how some words have already been translated
17:23:19 <qlum> very useful 
17:23:36 <qlum> it would be very strange if I have a different choice of words
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17:27:24 <qlum> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/184856
17:28:04 <qlum> added the missing part as well and also corrected the tiny mistake I made before which was an empty line between 19 and 20
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17:31:25 <flo-retina> thanks :)
17:32:08 <nhnt11> Hi
17:32:25 <nhnt11> So a 1.4 RC is in the works? 
17:32:36 <flo-retina> will likely happen today
17:32:43 <flo-retina> I still need to sort out the French locale ;)
17:33:22 <nhnt11> Great
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18:21:29 <Mic> Hi
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18:56:02 <Mic> instantbot: uuid
18:56:03 <instantbot> e71a2349-693f-43bc-a702-36ff2c007360 (/msg instantbot cid for CID form)
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20:02:58 <AndroUser2> flo-retina: Did you get a chance to go through my proposal? 
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20:33:45 <flo-retina> nhnt11|phone: no
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20:42:42 <flo-retina> sorry. I haven't been very productive today, and the little time I spent on Instantbird is/was focused on getting the locales ready for 1.4
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20:50:23 <flo-retina> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/irc/ircNonStandard.jsm#111 isn't easy to translate
20:50:43 <flo-retina> it looks like the message says "owner" when the same thing (+q) is referred in other places as "founder"
20:50:47 <nhnt11|phone> Alright
20:50:57 <flo-retina> ah, maybe not
20:51:04 <flo-retina> "founder" seems to be only in code, not in strings
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20:58:50 <Mic> How are replies handled in Twitter? What should happen when replying to an own tweet?
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20:59:23 <flo-retina> Mic: I don't think it's different than replying to someone else
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20:59:36 <flo-retina> a reply is just a tweet that mentions the previous tweet's id
21:00:51 <Mic> Normally the receivers name is inserted in the textbox. When replying to an own tweet, a single space is added.
21:02:33 <flo-retina> what does the website do?
21:04:39 <Mic> I don't know and I don't have my login data here either at the moment.
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22:06:04 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/26f344a627cd - Florian Quèze - Bump the version number to 1.5a1pre for nightlies.
22:06:05 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/b3c39940a5c1 - Florian Quèze - Set version number to 1.4 and add shipped-locales.
22:07:25 <instant-buildbot> build #388 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Exception [exception interrupted]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/388  blamelist: Florian Qu?ze <florian@instantbird.org>
22:07:38 <instant-buildbot> build #409 of linux-onCommit is complete: Exception [exception interrupted]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/409  blamelist: Florian Qu?ze <florian@instantbird.org>
22:07:41 <instant-buildbot> build #395 of win32-onCommit is complete: Exception [exception interrupted]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/395  blamelist: Florian Qu?ze <florian@instantbird.org>
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22:37:20 <instant-buildbot> build #0 of win32-release-1.4 is complete: Failure [failed shell_2]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-release-1.4/builds/0
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22:53:43 <Mic> Good night!
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22:58:00 <instant-buildbot> build #1 of win32-release-1.4 is complete: Failure [failed shell_2]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-release-1.4/builds/1
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