#instantbird log on 04 25 2013

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03:00:50 <instant-buildbot> build #851 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/851
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04:19:55 <flo-retina> so now I'm joining when clokep is already offline :-S
04:20:01 <flo-retina> timezones are really messed up :-S
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04:28:10 <Mook> you'll have to talk to him asynchronously.  possibly via the IRC log :p
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04:37:15 * atuljangra can't see the skype project in updated ideas list :(
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04:42:22 <atuljangra> flo-retina: Is skype project included in "Additional JavaScript Protocol Plug-ins" project?
04:42:45 <flo-retina> no
04:43:36 <atuljangra> flo-retina: then what happened to skype project?
04:43:59 <flo-retina> We have some concerns regarding SkypeKit's licensing, and Gerv preferred to remove the skype project from the list (at least until we can be sure we all have the same understanding of the situation and can agree on what the correct thing to do is)
04:45:38 <atuljangra> Okay, so I guess there is no point in me submitting the proposal, that I was preparing since last month?
04:46:57 <flo-retina> don't submit it today.
04:47:12 <flo-retina> I need to reply to Gerv's email; it's possible there's been some misunderstanding
04:48:17 <atuljangra> flo-retina: okay, I'm hoping to get the project back. I've been working really hard on this one. Please do inform me whatever happens.
04:50:31 <flo-retina> atuljangra: I can certainly empathize with that. clokep and me have been very frustrated by this today. We refrained from communicating (but I answered anyway because I think you deserved a real answer) about this because the situation isn't completely clear yet. Whatever the outcome is (whether we conclude that the project isn't suitable for GSoC or if it gets added back to the list), we will email all the students who expressed
04:50:32 <flo-retina> interest in it.
04:51:21 <atuljangra> flo-retina: Thanks a lot. I completely understand the situation.
04:51:31 <flo-retina> thanks
04:51:41 <atuljangra> :)
04:54:21 <flo-retina> I think there are two things that need to be considered: 1. Is it acceptable by Google as a GSoC project? (ie. Does the licensing restrictions imposed by the usage of SkypeKit are compatible with the GSoC policies?) 2. Is it reasonable for "Mozilla" to support a project that would be open source, but not really free software (as it would link to proprietary code)
04:55:51 <atuljangra> yes, things are pretty complicated with this project.
04:58:12 <flo-retina> have you looked at the skypekit license and the gsoc faq? (I'm going to do that again now; but if someone else has done it recently, maybe that can save me some time ;))
05:00:55 <flo-retina> hmm, the gsoc faq says "All code created by student participants must be released under an Open Source Initiative approved license.", not that the product compiled from the student's code needs to be free software
05:04:50 <atuljangra> flo-retina: sorry, someone was at the door, 
05:05:23 <atuljangra> yes, gsoc says that the *code* by *student* should be released under open source
05:05:30 <atuljangra> and not the product as such.
05:06:15 <atuljangra> I guess, Skype project is good to go from Google's prospective. 
05:07:15 <Mook> note that legal != will be accepted; there can always be human discretion.
05:08:39 <atuljangra> Mook: I guess that human discretion will be from Mozilla's side. IIRC Google will provide Mozilla with slots and then Mozilla will choose the projects. 
05:10:35 <flo-retina> Mook: If it's "legal", then only the 2. point needs to be discussed, ie "does it make sense for Mozilla to support this project?"
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05:11:29 <atuljangra> exactly.
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05:39:56 <instant-buildbot> build #944 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/944
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06:00:33 <instantbot> Just appeared in Pidgin News - default :
06:00:34 <instantbot> https://kingant.net/2013/04/students-apply-to-pidgin-google-summer-of-code-now/ - Mark Doliner: Students: Apply to Pidgin Google Summer of Code now!
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06:47:50 <richie1985> hi
06:48:24 <richie1985> i have a question, why i didnt get a notification when in a xmpp chat room anyone wrotes something?
06:49:11 <richie1985> only when a user direktly wrotes me
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08:40:37 <Mic> Hi
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08:46:29 <nhnt11> atuljangra: Hi!
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10:19:29 <Mic> It's still not possible to use filters in animation keyframes :(
10:20:10 * Mic doesn't like to sudden change when hovering Bubbles' bubbles.
10:20:15 <Mic> *context bubbles.
10:31:07 <Huvik> clokep: Hey i need glib2 to build right?
10:31:20 <clokep> Huvik: Yes, you need glib.
10:31:35 <clokep> We include some of it in our source, but that's probably only used on Windows, and maybe Mac.
10:33:03 <Huvik> You gona hate me but i am using mac so i am trying to build it here but i have problem with warning: type specifier missing, defaults to 'int' [-Wimplicit-int]
10:33:03 <Huvik> main()
10:33:03 <Huvik> it could be solved with patch or idk why i geting this err codes
10:38:01 <clokep> A warning or an error?
10:38:12 <clokep> If it's a warning...most likely just ignore it
10:38:33 <Huvik> i get warning then error code 1 with make
10:38:47 <Huvik> give me sec i am trying new stuff :)
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10:44:08 <aleth> Anyone using fb seeing those problems being reported on the mailing list?
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10:48:59 <clokep> aleth: I already replied.
10:49:07 <aleth> clokep: Thanks
10:49:17 <clokep> (But yes, I have seen it.)
10:51:13 <clokep> Huvik: It might help to pastebin the error?
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11:26:04 <Huvik> is here somebody who build in macOS?
11:26:54 <aleth> Huvik: There are some people. You could pastebin your error?
11:30:26 <Huvik> http://pastebin.com/aZ12C7ie ccache not found
11:31:03 <aleth> Now eventually someone who builds on OSX will see it ;)
11:41:18 <Huvik> looks like i fix it and now building app :) finally
11:41:28 <aleth> :)
11:47:57 <Huvik> aleth: can i have question? is there any solution to save all messages when i am not here and then send to me? on quake net there was q bot or something like this and it was doing this job for me is there any solution here?
11:48:20 <aleth> Huvik: We have logs http://log.bezut.info/
11:48:39 <Huvik> nice :)
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11:55:13 <clokep_work> Huvik: flo-retina should be able to help once he's awake.
11:55:27 <Huvik> i fixed it
11:55:38 <Huvik> i am happy bulding now :p
11:56:37 <Huvik> and reading skype references
12:02:40 <clokep_work> aleth: Can I punt the reviews from bug 1845 to you? You have a much better flair for UI.
12:02:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1845 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Message notifications do not take /me into account
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12:15:42 <aleth> clokep_work: Do you have a preference among the two screenshots?
12:16:42 <clokep_work> aleth: I think they both look bad. :P
12:16:59 <aleth> Ditto. But... I don't know much about notifications, I assume we don't have much control over the styling (so we can't use italics?)
12:17:13 <clokep_work> I think so, yes.
12:17:18 <aleth> (The regex part looks fine to me)
12:17:24 <clokep_work> And I think I'd like the first one if it didn't have the * in front of it.
12:17:31 <clokep_work> And just says "nhnt12 says hi to nhnt11"
12:17:37 <aleth> Yes, the * has to go.
12:17:51 <aleth> The other one is confusing (looks like a normal message)
12:19:49 <aleth> OTOH people using standard Bubbles don't seem to mind the *** :P
12:20:12 <clokep_work> aleth: I wonder if we shouldn't delete the title though for the first one?
12:21:04 <aleth> clokep_work: You mean, keep the title and have "nhnt12 says hi to nhnt11" as the message text?
12:21:12 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes.
12:21:38 * aleth would like italics, but doesn't think that would work reliably
12:22:25 <clokep_work> I don't think it's possible.
12:22:31 <clokep_work> But I don't know if HTML will render in it.
12:22:44 <aleth> I was thinking more of control characters, but they probably get stripped
12:23:33 <aleth> The benefit of keeping the title is that the notifications all look similar?
12:24:05 <clokep_work> Yes.
12:24:25 <aleth> Makes sense.
12:28:38 <aleth> Of course the Bubbles-like variant would be ""*** nhnt12 says hi to nhnt11"
12:29:15 <aleth> But I'm not a big fan of that, especially without the italics.
12:30:39 <clokep_work> Yeah I don't even love it for regular messages. :-D
12:31:45 * aleth has this https://i.minus.com/jbjcNRRDECYIKc.png
12:33:26 <clokep_work> aleth: I think the issue with that is...how is that different from someone just using italic text?
12:33:35 <aleth> clokep_work: The colour.
12:37:47 <clokep_work> Ah, maybe in context of another message that would work.
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12:38:46 * clokep_work hates building from scratch.
12:39:03 <clokep_work> At least is isn't /that/ slow on Linux.
12:45:12 <Huvik> finally first builded app running
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13:39:12 <Huvik> it always take soo long to build instantbird
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14:24:38 <YH> Mook_as: ahh... it's an imported libpurple l10n...
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14:28:56 <clokep_work> YH: Yeah, so if you wanted to look at some of that, let us know.
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14:40:36 <clokep_work> Hello richie1985.
14:41:02 <YH> clokep_work: how can I see those untranslated strings?
14:41:24 <richie1985> hi
14:41:48 <clokep_work> YH: https://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/locales-status.html
14:41:54 <clokep_work> https://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/locales-status.html#zh-CN actually
14:42:07 <clokep_work> (Or do you mean the en-US versions?)
14:42:19 <YH> I mean, how can I see those strings in TortoiseHG?
14:42:38 <clokep_work> http://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/en-US/ should have all the strings.
14:45:05 <YH> so I should add those files manually??
14:46:05 <clokep_work> I think so, yes.
14:46:29 <clokep_work> richie1985: If you have a question or anything feel free to just ask! Otherwise feel free to lurk. :) (I think I haven't seen you here before...if you've been here...sorry!)
14:57:06 <YH> HTTP错误: 405 (push requires POST request)
14:57:08 <YH> clokep_work: HTTP错误: 405 (push requires POST request)
14:57:16 <YH> HTTP Error: 405 (push requires POST request)
14:57:48 <clokep_work> YH: Yes, you need credentials (I think I mentioned this earlier). flo would have to help you out with that.
14:58:00 <clokep_work> Maybe file a bug for now?
14:58:38 <YH> Oh thank you!
15:04:21 <clokep_work> YH: And then we'll make sure to either get you the proper credentials or to check in the changes.
15:04:26 <clokep_work> I think there's a localization category in bugzilla.
15:05:15 <YH> I think I'll take te credential after May 18
15:05:36 <YH> I'm preparing for my TOEFL test these days :)
15:06:23 <clokep_work> Good luck!
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15:11:40 <YH> thks!
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15:19:53 <richie1985> hi clokep_work, yes im new here
15:22:40 <richie1985> i have a small question
15:22:59 <richie1985> i want to use instantbird with an openfire server
15:23:08 <richie1985> it works realy well without problems
15:23:41 <clokep_work> OK.
15:23:52 <richie1985> please look at this forum: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=2678837&p=12753761#p12753761
15:24:28 <richie1985> there i describe my problem and i want to know the reason for this
15:24:38 <clokep_work> richie1985: It sounds like a bug.
15:24:53 <clokep_work> What version of Instantbird are you on, by the way?
15:25:12 <richie1985> Version 1.3 (20121113164120)
15:25:14 <clokep_work> If you stick around for a bit, florian should be back and hopefully he can answer for you though. :)
15:25:24 <clokep_work> (I unfortunately don't know much about XMPP.)
15:25:54 <richie1985> sounds good
15:26:01 <richie1985> i wil be logged in hear
15:31:42 <clokep_work> Excellent. :)
15:31:47 <clokep_work> Let us know if you have any other problems.
15:32:54 <richie1985> when i get a message in a muc (multi user chat) i get no notification
15:33:18 <richie1985> also here in this channel 
15:33:28 <clokep_work> What do you mean by notification? (Do you mean a sound, a pop up window, something else?)
15:34:48 <clokep_work> (XMPP MUCs are treated identically to IRC channels btw.)
15:37:58 <clokep_work> richie1985: Maybe this will do what you want? https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/341 but I'm not positive what the issue is.
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15:38:41 <richie1985> no i mean a blink taskbar or something else
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16:28:58 <clokep_work> richie1985: I think we don't do that becuase it would generally be really annoying unless someone is speaking to you..
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16:30:53 <richie1985> mhhh i understand, but we use in our company small groups of muc
16:31:11 <richie1985> so only 2 - 10 users are in this groups
16:31:57 <richie1985> so i want to send a important message to all users in the muc "test" for example
16:32:35 <richie1985> but this users must open and look in the window to check if there are any news
16:32:46 <richie1985> thats useless for us you understand?
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16:37:56 <clokep_work> Yes, that makes sense.
16:38:03 <clokep_work> I wonder if Highlight could do that (if it worked)
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16:59:17 <clokep_work> flo-retina: When you get a chance can you check out richie 1985's question about XMPP chats?
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17:16:19 <clokep_work> instantbot: uuid
17:16:20 <instantbot> c1bc3dd2-4e0d-41e6-9921-1b15db843ed2 (/msg instantbot cid for CID form)
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17:33:35 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 2409 on bug 1935.
17:33:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1935 min, --, ---, nhnt11, ASSI, Blackslash not handled correctly in CTCP messages.
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17:36:42 <Huvik> clokep_work: Ty for email i am little bit sad but anyways ty for opportunity :)
17:37:02 <nhnt11> clokep_work: yay so that is finally done
17:37:37 <nhnt11> clokep_work: About the /me handling in notifications. I added the "*" as an afterthought because there's a "*" in the chat window
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17:38:26 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Yeah, I just think it looks funky in the message.
17:38:27 <nhnt11> I agree that both of them dont seem quite right though. Modifying the notification handler itself would probably require a deeper look though
17:38:31 <clokep_work> Isn't there three *s anyway?
17:38:37 <nhnt11> i'm using the simple theme
17:38:39 <nhnt11> and there's one
17:38:41 * nhnt11 test
17:38:41 <clokep_work> Huvik: Me too. :(
17:38:45 <nhnt11> Yeah, one
17:38:51 <clokep_work> Huvik: We do have other projects though! :)
17:38:54 <clokep_work> nhnt11: What theme do you use?
17:39:07 <nhnt11> simple
17:39:16 <clokep_work> nhnt11: It's theme dependent.
17:39:20 <nhnt11> Ah
17:39:22 <Huvik> i rly like this community i know you few days you are so friendly but i cant JS so :X
17:39:39 <nhnt11> What happened? Is this about the Skype project?
17:39:43 <clokep_work> Huvik: JS is pretty easy, especially if you know C++.
17:39:58 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Yes. I emailed everyone who had emailed me about it.
17:40:01 <Huvik> but i think i dont have chance to get applied
17:40:28 <nhnt11> Huvik: I've done very very little JS in the past and I'm picking up just ifne
17:40:29 <nhnt11> fine*
17:40:35 <clokep_work> nhnt11: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/182365
17:40:37 <nhnt11> True though, very little time left
17:40:56 <nhnt11> clokep_work: So what was the final verdict? Is the project scrapped?
17:41:30 <Huvik> i know asembly c/c++ c# and html css and little bit of php but i think its no way how to learn JS in 7 days i am in end of semester a lot of school stuff etc
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17:42:40 * nhnt11 is a little sad about the Skype project
17:43:02 <Huvik> at least i have now good messanger on mac :) ty you guys :p
17:43:47 <nhnt11> Huvik: I know right
17:43:52 <nhnt11> Before GSoC i'd never heard of Instantbird
17:43:58 <nhnt11> Never liked Apple Messages
17:44:12 <Huvik> its pretty awsome :) 
17:44:21 <nhnt11> :)
17:44:23 <clokep_work> Well you all should tell all your friends about Instantbird. :)
17:44:27 <nhnt11> clokep_work: I have
17:44:28 <nhnt11> :D
17:44:28 <clokep_work> And get them all to fix some bugs. ;)
17:44:40 <nhnt11> clokep_work: I don't have many coder friends
17:44:43 <Huvik> i was so hyped 
17:44:46 <clokep_work> Hopefully people will realize you don't have to use ugly messengers like Pidgin.
17:44:51 <clokep_work> (At least on Windows it's ugly. :))
17:45:08 <Huvik> when i instaled IB and build it and stuff like this :)
17:45:13 <nhnt11> clokep_work: I didn't see your name anywhere on the instantbird website
17:45:32 <Huvik> and when i finally did it email came and i was soo sad :D
17:45:41 <nhnt11> Huvik: It's always nice to code for a project that you actually use :D
17:46:11 <Huvik> i was looking on rest GSoC and rest project looks for me soo crapy
17:46:17 <nhnt11> I agree
17:46:18 <Huvik> or little bit uselss
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17:46:24 <Huvik> no motivation left
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17:46:31 <nhnt11> Mostly because I would never use any of those myself
17:47:05 <Huvik> +1 i think i will spend my summer working for my dad and helping you guys :D i will learn JS :D
17:47:25 <nhnt11> JS is not very hard :) You can probably learn the basics in a day or two
17:47:31 <Huvik> yea 
17:47:50 <nhnt11> I think the hardest part of getting into a new project is learning your way around the codebase, more than the langauges involved
17:47:54 <nhnt11> languages*
17:48:07 <Huvik> but i have to do school project santa claus problem and some VHDL terminal and then i have to prepare for exams 
17:48:27 <nhnt11> I have exams too :( From next week :(
17:48:38 <nhnt11> Santa Claus problem?
17:48:41 <Huvik> yep
17:48:51 <Huvik> synchronization problem with semaphores
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17:50:58 <nhnt11> I just looked that up :D
17:51:25 <Huvik> where are you from if i can ask?
17:51:29 <nhnt11> India
17:51:35 <nhnt11> You?
17:51:41 <Huvik> Czech republic
17:52:16 * nhnt11 has only done Object-lock synchronization before
17:52:31 <clokep_work> nhnt11: I don't think it is anywhere.
17:53:03 <Huvik> hidden guy :)
17:53:23 <clokep_work> flo-retina said something about putting me on the about page at some point (1.2 release-ish time?) I think...but that clearly never happened. :-D
17:54:05 <nhnt11> :S
17:54:06 <flo-retina> clokep_work: really?
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17:54:33 <clokep_work> flo-retina: You said it at some point (or I'm crazy, which seems increasingly likely).
17:54:54 <flo-retina> ah, about page
17:55:05 <flo-retina> I thought you were talking about the about dialog, and was pretty sure you were listed there :)
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17:55:13 <Huvik> clokep_work: is there any chance how i can get postion in some of IB project without know JS? :D
17:55:17 <flo-retina> but yeah, you need to be on the about page :)
17:57:22 <clokep_work> Yes, we were talking about the webpage.
17:57:41 <clokep_work> Huvik: Possibly, we certainly read over all the applications and such.
17:57:43 <Mook_as> nhnt11: this isn't nearly as interesting, but it _is_ possible to work on the skype stuff independent of GSoC. (but yeah, was less incentives)
17:57:51 <Mook_as> s/$/:p/
17:58:09 <nhnt11> Mook_as: Tell Huvik :P
17:58:24 <nhnt11> Interested as I am, I prefer the awesometab project :P Not much of a C++ guy
17:58:25 <instantbot> c++ is evil
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17:58:36 * nhnt11 agrees with instantbot
17:59:52 <Huvik> i will try 
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18:11:28 <qheaden> clokep_work: ping
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18:12:52 <clokep_work> qheaden: pong
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18:13:24 <qheaden> clokep_work: Hey there. So, is the final decision on Skype a no-go?
18:14:47 <clokep_work> qheaden: It isn't looking very good. flo-retina might have more information (not sure if he's talked to anyone else recently)
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18:21:40 <qheaden> clokep_work: Okay. I'll just go ahead with a new proposal like we discussed yesterday.
18:23:33 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I haven't talked more about it since our IRC conversation this morning. I'll be pair-programming / in meetings most of the day today.
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18:23:53 <clokep_work> qheaden: OK.
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19:34:29 <Huvik> i have question about facebook contact how i can show all online ppls?
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19:50:50 <clokep_work> Huvik: Facebook is having server issues.
20:06:31 <Huvik> ah
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20:28:01 <clokep_work> We haven't made much progress on the 1.4 list recently. :-/
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21:23:30 <flo-retina> clokep: the 1.4-blocking list contains 0 bugs, that's not what I would call "not much progress" ;)
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23:28:37 <clokep> flo-retina: Btw...that crasher never went awy. :(
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23:56:59 <flo-retina> clokep: really?
23:57:05 <flo-retina> do you have new stacks, or is it the exact same?
23:57:07 <clokep> flo-retina: Really.
23:57:10 <clokep> I haven't checked yet.
23:57:37 <clokep> flo-retina: http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/list?product=Instantbird&version=Instantbird%3A1.4a1pre&platform=windows&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query=&date=&range_value=1&range_unit=weeks&process_type=all&plugin_field=&plugin_query_type=&plugin_query=&do_query=1&signature=msvcr100.dll%400x28ec
23:57:51 <clokep> Looks like the same stack?
23:58:18 * clokep is on yesterday's nightly.
23:58:53 <flo-retina> yeah, looks the same
23:59:06 <flo-retina> remember why I filed a separate bug instead of attaching my patch in the bug about the crasher? ;)
23:59:17 <clokep> Yes. :)