#instantbird log on 04 12 2013

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00:46:59 <instant-buildbot> build #383 of win32-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/383
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01:38:33 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1925 filed by strommorts@gmail.com.
01:38:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1925 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Do not auto expand contact group on contact window focus
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08:55:15 <aleth> clokep: Interesting. I think the jabbr.net message style must be quite close to what the TB message style was trying to do.
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09:19:16 <atuljangra> Hey, when does Patrick Cloke comes on IRC? :-)
09:19:29 <aleth> atuljangra: usually in an hour or so ;)
09:20:14 <atuljangra> aleth: Okay :-) I'll wait then.
09:20:32 <aleth> Are you one of the people interested in GSoC?\
09:20:57 <atuljangra> aleth: I was basically looking for some good-first bug in IRC/XMPP.
09:21:10 <aleth> Great :)
09:21:52 <atuljangra> aleth: Yes, I've been involved with Mozilla for almost an year now, I did my last GSoC with Mozilla on Thunderbird. I was a great success, so why not give it a try again ;)
09:21:59 <aleth> atuljangra: A good way to start would be by using Instantbird for IRC and XMPP (including gtalk/fb) and finding something that annoys you and you think needs fixing ;)
09:22:42 <aleth> atuljangra: welcome :)
09:22:56 <flo-retina> atuljangra: hello :)
09:23:00 <aleth> You've seen our bugzilla?
09:23:43 <atuljangra> aleth: I can't I am behind proxy :( I discussed this with Patrick. I cannot connect :( I am waiting for my internet connection to come, and then I'll be able to use instantbird :)
09:23:52 <atuljangra> flo-retina: Hi :-) how are you?
09:24:01 <aleth> I would also suggest to look at the open IRC/XMPP bugs and see if something interests you. We can then give you a rough idea if it's too complicated for a first bug
09:24:03 <atuljangra> aleth: Yes, I've gont through the Bugzilla.
09:24:48 <aleth> atuljangra: Maybe you'd like to fix the http proxy issue? ;) I think clokep tried and couldn't finish it due to lack of a proxy for testing.
09:24:54 <atuljangra> aleth: I've gone through them but I was not able to get any idea. I will give it another shot.
09:25:37 <aleth> It would be hard to be particularly interested in any bug if you can't actually use IB :-S
09:26:13 <atuljangra> aleth: Oh, yes :P But I don't think it is a problem with IB, I am not able to connect with any IRC. This is due to the port-blocking that are done in my college.
09:26:33 <aleth> atuljangra: But you have a http proxy?
09:26:54 <atuljangra> aleth: yes, I understand. That's y I've applied for my internet. I'll be able to use IB in a couple of days :)
09:27:18 <atuljangra> aleth: yes,
09:28:07 <aleth> atuljangra: In case it was ambiguous, I'm not complaining, I'm saying adding http proxy support is something we would really like to see :)
09:28:27 <flo-retina> atuljangra: I'm fine thanks :)
09:28:52 <flo-retina> atuljangra: if your http proxy accepts https connections, it should be possible to make at least gtalk work, and maybe also irc :)
09:29:22 <atuljangra> aleth: Oh yes! Specially users like me would be very much benefited by that. :)
09:29:42 <atuljangra> flo-retina: okay, I guess I would give it another shot. I'll report whatever happens :)
09:30:11 <flo-retina> by "make it work", I mean patch the code to support this use case; I didn't mean that it works right now ;)
09:30:27 <aleth> atuljangra: flo meant it might be an excellent first bug for you ;)
09:30:46 <aleth> bug 1646
09:30:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1646 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, socket.jsm based protocols should connect through HTTP proxies
09:31:27 <atuljangra> oh, I didn't get that :P
09:31:35 <atuljangra> I will look into this.
09:33:32 <aleth> atuljangra: It's possible the patch in the bug already works... we just don't know.
09:33:49 <flo-retina> I would be surprised if a fully untested patch worked.
09:33:54 <aleth> So would I.
09:33:57 <flo-retina> But the required changes to make it work may be minimal
09:33:58 <atuljangra> aleth: I'll try it out maybe?
09:34:16 <aleth> atuljangra: Yes, I meant that would be a good place to start
09:34:24 <atuljangra> aleth: are we using Hg queues for patching?
09:34:42 <atuljangra> flo-retina, aleth  I guess I would start with this :)
09:35:03 <aleth> atuljangra: You can use them if you like ;) There is some useful info here https://wiki.instantbird.org/Main_Page 
09:35:41 <atuljangra> aleth: Okey dockey :)
09:38:19 <atuljangra> aleth: what do you use generally for patching?
09:39:53 <aleth> atuljangra: I wouldn't recommend what I do unless you can't set up a build environment for some reason ;) The best way is to use hg and start here https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Compiling. When you are done with a patch, attach it to the bug.
09:40:51 <atuljangra> aleth: Oh okay. Though I've build the environment and IB is working properly I believe :) 
09:41:09 <aleth> atuljangra: Great, then you're all set up it seems :)
09:42:25 <atuljangra> aleth: yup :), I should jump right into the code I guess?
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09:42:39 <aleth> atuljangra: Sure! Ask questions if you get lost
09:42:57 <atuljangra> aleth: Sure, I'll be around :)
09:43:08 <atuljangra> aleth: Where are you from? 
09:43:17 <Mic> atuljangra: I'm using queues and clokep does, too.
09:43:42 <aleth> atuljangra: Italy atm
09:43:44 <Mic> He's even version controlling his and pushing it to bitbucket..
09:44:08 <atuljangra> Mic: Okay, I also use queues for TB and Firefox.
09:44:20 <Mic> OK, so you're familiar with them already :)
09:44:29 <atuljangra> aleth: okay :)
09:44:30 <aleth> Mic: That's a neat idea actually 
09:44:37 <atuljangra> Mic: Yes :)
09:46:40 <Mic> aleth: indeed but I didn't really need it so far, so I haven't turned my patches folder into a repository yet.
09:47:13 <aleth> Mic: clokep has a very long queue ;)
09:47:23 <aleth> (at least he used to)
09:47:27 <Mic> clokep's patches are usually much larger than mine are, so that might be the reason ;)
09:48:18 * atuljangra wonders how does bitbucket provides private repos without charging anything
09:48:32 * atuljangra git charges for private repos :-/
09:48:34 <aleth> Mic: did you see the "hit highlight" thing in twitter-text.js? I'm not sure exactly what it does, but may be useful for your twitter tabs patch
09:48:49 <Mic> aleth: no, I didn't.
09:49:11 <aleth> Mic: https://github.com/twitter/twitter-text-js
09:49:11 <Mic> Could you write a comment on bug 1728, maybe?
09:49:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1728 enh, --, ---, benediktp, NEW, Show mentions of tracked keywords in own conversations
09:50:04 <Mic> I've got an appointment in less than an hour and need to have lunch first, so very little time here...
09:50:14 <aleth> Mic: Done
09:50:21 <Mic> Thanks!
09:51:20 <aleth> atuljangra: I suspect they make money if you use them for something that makes money, as you'll generally need more than 5 users then
09:52:27 <atuljangra> aleth: oh, but most of the projects would be less than 5 users. I should read about their model.  
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10:19:22 <clokep> atuljangra: Good morning.
10:20:52 <clokep> flo-retina: But it's a fully untested patch by me. ;)
10:22:08 <clokep> atuljangra: My patch queue isn't private. ;)
10:22:32 <flo-retina> clokep: are your fully untested patches more likely to work than mine? :)
10:22:45 <clokep> flo-retina: My IRC ones are. :P
10:23:05 <flo-retina> clokep: I haven't patched IRC recently :-P
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10:24:47 <clokep> aleth: Yeah, my queue is still very long. I'm trying to cut it down to size thouhg.
10:25:28 <clokep> https://bitbucket.org/clokep/instantbird-patches/src some of them I don't even like know what they are. :(
10:30:01 <flo-retina> isn't bug 1925 a dup?
10:30:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1925 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Do not auto expand contact group on contact window focus
10:30:13 <clokep> flo-retina: I thought so, but couldn't find the bug to dup against.
10:30:19 <clokep> It might just be something we discussed in here.
10:30:29 <flo-retina> We discussed it several times, I know it's high on Even's annoyance 'list'
10:30:30 <clokep> (And I was tired and didn't feel like trying to find the dup :P)
10:30:37 * clokep finds it very annoying too.
10:31:01 <flo-retina> I would add to the list of "solutions" proposed by the reporter: remove the contact list
10:31:04 <flo-retina> :-]
10:31:09 <clokep> aleth: That seems like a reasonable approach (re bug....uhhh that normalize one).
10:32:19 <flo-retina> bug 1700
10:32:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1700 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Contact selection is messed up with selecting the contact below the selected contact on an unfocused
10:35:28 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1925 to DUPLICATE of bug 1700.
10:35:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1925 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Do not auto expand contact group on contact window focus
10:35:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1700 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Contact selection is messed up with selecting the contact below the selected contact on an unfocused
10:35:41 * flo-retina was ready to mid-air :)
10:37:22 <clokep> Personally I htink the contact should just be expanded even when the buddy list doesn't have focus.
10:38:04 <flo-retina> should we put the same background as for an unselected expanded contact?
10:38:48 <flo-retina> another "solution" is to get rid of the selection when the focus is lost
10:39:47 <clokep> I think the gray background of an unselected expanded contact.
10:39:52 <clokep> Wait...
10:39:57 <clokep> The background is always gray.
10:39:57 <flo-retina> or force the selection to happen on mousedown
10:40:07 <clokep> I don't htink an "unselected expanded contact" can exist.
10:40:27 <flo-retina> clokep: expanded for me means "the user clicked on 'expand'"
10:40:35 <aleth> clokep: "the contact should just be expanded even when the buddy list doesn't have focus." I think that would be annoying
10:40:38 <flo-retina> clokep: you are using 'expanded' for 'selected' contacts
10:41:13 <flo-retina> clokep: the reason for the current behavior is that the 2-lines contacts with a white background look awful
10:41:39 <flo-retina> because it's not clear why you have a line in your list that doesn't have an icon
10:42:03 <clokep> Right.
10:42:11 <aleth> I've never found the current behaviour a problem. (Well, apart from the issue I fixed in bug 1880)
10:42:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1880 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Clicking on "status dot" to go Online does not work
10:42:25 <clokep> I think it' dbe OK if we used a normal blue selection when the contact list has focus and a grey-ish one otherwise, on Windows.
10:42:29 * flo-retina isn't even sure how that bug is related
10:42:41 * clokep isn't either
10:43:06 <aleth> flo-retina: It isn't really
10:44:07 <aleth> (Only indirectly in a way that probably only makes sense for me)
10:44:22 <flo-retina> all right. I don't know what the best solution is, but most of the ideas we have discussed here are better than the current behavior
10:44:36 <aleth> (I find it annoying I can't get rid of a selection easily)
10:45:11 <flo-retina> aleth: select a group
10:45:27 <aleth> Oh wait, I got confused by the expanded vs selected issue.
10:45:31 <clokep> Clearing the selection might be OK, I'm trying to think if we lose anything by that...
10:45:32 <aleth> Sorry.
10:46:16 <aleth> "another "solution" is to get rid of the selection when the focus is lost" seems like a good idea though.
10:47:26 <flo-retina> I wonder if it could annoy people who would select a contact, then alt-tab to a different window, then alt-tab back, and press enter to start a conversation
10:47:48 <flo-retina> (a purely hypothetical work flow, but theoretically possible)
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11:58:25 <aleth> clokep_work: #talkilla's bot is the first time I've seen colour used in IRC messages
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12:25:02 <clokep_work> aleth: Does it work? ;)
12:25:24 <clokep_work> Doesn't esem to have talked since I've been wback. :(
12:26:50 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2347 on bug 1652.
12:26:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1652 nor, --, 1.4, aleth, RESO FIXED, [a11y] Tooltips are missing in log viewer
12:28:50 <aleth> clokep_work: https://i.minus.com/jVyJCj0zjCFtS.png
12:29:13 <clokep_work> aleth: Cool. :)
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12:48:28 * clokep_work expects a bug to be filed "disable colors in IRC" ;)
12:49:02 <clokep_work> aleth: FWIW a few of the channels on moznet use bold in places, hadn't seen color before though.
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13:44:39 <flo-retina> the SSL certs have now been updated on the 3 servers :)
13:48:56 <aleth> flo-retina: Thanks for taking care of that :)
13:49:31 <flo-retina> :)
13:50:23 <flo-retina> it looks like with startssl it would be easy to have a certificate for both ib.org and ib.com, so if we wanted to serve ib.com over https, that would now be possible (just some work)
13:50:59 <flo-retina> I'm not sure how much it matters to have that served as https
13:52:00 <flo-retina> I think the only files that would really make sense to serve securely are the checksums of the downloads
14:02:59 * clokep_work just got that open source funding thing on contact@ib
14:17:37 <flo-retina> aleth: that logger change seems confusing :(
14:17:49 <aleth> flo-retina: I don't like it either
14:18:13 <flo-retina> aleth: what about onpopupshowing="return document.getElementById('conv-browser').Fill..." ?
14:19:15 <flo-retina> ah, another email to Mr. Cloke :)
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14:21:25 <aleth> flo-retina: OK, let's do that instead :)
14:24:40 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 2347 on bug 1652.
14:24:41 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2348 on bug 1652.
14:24:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1652 nor, --, 1.4, aleth, RESO FIXED, [a11y] Tooltips are missing in log viewer
14:25:09 <flo-retina> arg
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14:25:24 <flo-retina> I almost mentioned that you should still cleanup the comment above getBrowser
14:25:30 <flo-retina> but then thought it would be obvious
14:25:49 <aleth> Oh, I see.
14:25:55 <flo-retina> hmm, and I wonder if we need a comment explaining why this isn't just calling getBrowser()
14:26:12 <flo-retina> wouldn't it be tempting for anybody looking at the code to "just simplify"? ;)
14:26:55 <aleth> Probably. It does look like a mistake ;)
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14:38:58 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 2348 on bug 1652.
14:38:59 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2349 on bug 1652.
14:39:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1652 nor, --, 1.4, aleth, RESO FIXED, [a11y] Tooltips are missing in log viewer
14:39:56 <clokep_work> What's our policy on feedback for GSoC applicants? (That sounds worse than I want it to...)
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14:46:42 <clokep_work> qheaden: I'll email you back sometime...this weekend.
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15:32:03 <flo-retina> clokep_work: what's the problem you are trying to fix with a "policy"? :)
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15:36:58 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2349 on bug 1652.
15:37:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1652 nor, --, 1.4, aleth, RESO FIXED, [a11y] Tooltips are missing in log viewer
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16:54:00 <clokep_work> flo-retina: IDK. :)
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16:54:18 <flo-retina> ok, we don't have a policy for that :-
16:54:20 <flo-retina> )
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17:36:47 <aleth> Are there things from TB to be merged into IB before 1.4?
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17:46:03 <clokep_work> aleth: I don't think so.
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21:04:26 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com granted review for attachment 2331 on bug 1922.
21:04:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1922 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Use weekdays instead of dates for "last week" group in log viewer
21:05:37 <Mic> What should I do with aleth's patch? Can I flag it as "checkin-needed" even when it fails to be imported in its current form?
21:10:07 <flo-retina> is there a broken ifdef?
21:10:34 <Mic> No, I had to change the paths and it applied then.
21:10:55 <flo-retina> cd instantbird/content && patch -p5 ../../attachment
21:10:56 <flo-retina> ;)
21:17:10 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1926 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
21:17:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1926 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "Last week"-group in log viewer containing one day too many
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21:23:15 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/d270aa841434 - aleth - Bug 1922 - Use weekdays instead of dates for "last week" group in log viewer, r=Mic.
21:23:16 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/3ef77790e0b6 - Florian Qu├Ęze - Bug 1652 - [a11y] Tooltips are missing in log viewer - follow-up to fix tooltips on text logs, r=fqueze.
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21:30:03 <Mic> Here's an attempt at reducing the noise of Bubbles' system messages: http://i.imgur.com/DNWFDQK.png
21:31:27 <Mic> user*Content*.css : http://pastebin.instantbird.com/174049
21:34:10 <flo-retina> shownick is disabled?
21:34:12 <flo-retina> ah, log viewer
21:34:44 <flo-retina> Mic: have you tried getting rid of the border completely, and of the background of system messages too?
21:35:18 <Mic> Yes, I liked it better when there was a hint of a bubble around them.
21:35:34 <instant-buildbot> build #376 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/376  blamelist: Florian Qu?ze <florian@instantbird.org>, aleth <aleth@instantbird.org>
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21:53:16 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/2e098b8e271f - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1612 - Update libpurple from version 2.10.4 to 2.10.7, rs=fqueze.
21:53:43 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2233 on bug 1612.
21:53:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1612 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Update libpurple up to 2.10.7
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22:12:28 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1612 to FIXED.
22:12:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1612 enh, --, 1.4, clokep, RESO FIXED, Update libpurple up to 2.10.7
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22:13:09 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1741 to FIXED.
22:13:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1741 nor, --, 1.4, nobody, RESO FIXED, Remove strings that became obsolete because of bug 435 (hide "Show custom smilies"-option)
22:14:01 <flo-retina> Good night
22:14:20 * flo-retina wonders if there's still time to include something visible/interesting in 1.4
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22:47:38 <instant-buildbot> build #377 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/377
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