#instantbird log on 03 30 2013

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00:15:33 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com requested review from aleth@instantbird.o rg for attachment 2307 on bug 260.
00:15:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=260 min, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Pasting in the conversation input box doesn't send typing notifications
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09:42:06 <Arkanath> My instantbird is not working, My internet connects through a proxy.
09:42:14 <Arkanath> Please help
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10:08:15 <Arkanath> Whats the problem?
10:08:25 <Arkanath> My instantbird can't work
10:09:28 <Mic> Hi
10:10:24 <Mic> There are proxy configuration dialogs on Options->Advanced->Network
10:10:32 <Mic> Which protocol do you have problems with, Arkanath
10:11:55 <Arkanath> protocol?
10:12:09 <Arkanath> I set all the proxy settings in the network options
10:12:31 <Arkanath> No account can get connected
10:13:07 <Mic> What accounts do you have?
10:13:10 <Mic> IRC, MSN, ..?
10:13:15 <Arkanath> Google
10:13:18 <Arkanath> Facebook
10:13:25 <Arkanath> MSN
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10:13:29 <Arkanath> that's it
10:14:38 <Mic> OK, MSN is controlled by the proxy settings for "libpurple-based accounts". GTalk and Facebook don't use libpurple and are controlled by the other.
10:14:52 <Arkanath> I tried google and facebook only 
10:15:08 <Arkanath> but I have changed the other settings also
10:15:40 <Arkanath> It just stays at connecting... and then time out
10:15:49 <Arkanath> In windows even that's not happening!
10:17:05 <Mic> I've almost no experience with proxies, sorry.
10:17:18 <Arkanath> :(
10:18:35 <Mic> What kind of proxy is it?
10:18:52 <Mic> I think transparent proxies would require you to choose "No proxy" for example.
10:20:03 <Arkanath> I don't know what a transparent proxy is, I have to give an IP like and a port i.e.8080 
10:21:14 <Arkanath> But, "No proxy" is also not working :-/
10:22:07 <Mic> Hmm :(
10:25:47 <Mic> Are you using Firefox?
10:26:25 <Mic> Arkanath: if yes, are these exactly the same settings that you have in Firefox' proxy dialog?
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10:30:25 <Even> I believe it makes sense. Are those accounts even working on an HTTP proxy ? I believed they needed a SOCKS server...
10:30:35 <Even> Oh, he left.
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10:31:07 <Even> Mic: XMPP is not using an HTTP layer isn't it ?
10:31:35 <Mic> Even: no idea
10:31:44 <Even> I believe they don't.
10:32:10 <Mic> Let's hope he comes back and thanks for helping :)
10:32:18 <Even> So, if we take that into consideration, since Facebook & Google both use XMPP then they can't be proxied through an HTTP proxy.
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10:32:30 <Even> You would need a SOCKS server for this.
10:32:48 <Arkanath> Ok
10:33:00 <Arkanath> I should then try MSN
10:33:04 <Even> Yeah.
10:33:23 <Even> MSN has an HTTP layer for places where there is no SOCKS server.
10:33:28 <Even> But servers are going to close soon.
10:33:51 <Arkanath> any other oppotunites for HTTP layers other than MSN?
10:33:56 <Even> (MSN will die in a short period in profit of Skype)
10:34:48 <Even> I read some XMPP doc.
10:35:12 <Even> There is a method called BOSH (Bidirectional-streams Over Synchronous HTTP) allowing to transport XMPP through HTTP.
10:35:22 <Even> I'll look to see if GTalk supports this.
10:35:39 <Arkanath> What about AIM?
10:36:19 <Even> Our XMPP accounts have BOSH support.
10:36:30 <Even> That's a point, we might have a working sceanrio then?
10:36:40 <Even> I look into this further...
10:37:47 <Even> Well, I probably found two things that might work.
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10:38:40 <Even> Arkanath: Create an XMPP account insteand of a GTalk account
10:39:00 <Even> In username put your google account id
10:39:16 <Even> in domain use gmail.com
10:39:38 <Arkanath> ok
10:39:45 <Even> set your password properly
10:40:21 <Even> in XMPP options, try to use port 80 instead of the default 5222
10:40:27 <Even> and try to connect
10:40:53 <Even> try to add xmpp.google.com in connect server
10:41:04 <clokep> Even, Arkanath: Our JS proxy code doesn't support HTTP proxies right now. So IRC, GTalk, Facebook won't work through those.
10:41:18 <Even> Yeah, I know
10:41:23 * clokep is not talking about BOSH support.
10:41:28 <Even> That is why I try to work around using BOSH or direct 80 port :)
10:41:55 <Arkanath> It says Invalid XMPP ID
10:41:56 <Even> (xmpp servers seems to bind on both 80 & 5222 ports)
10:42:07 <Even> with what config ?
10:42:10 <Even> (interesting)
10:42:19 <Arkanath> wait
10:42:25 <Arkanath> 1 minute
10:42:33 <Even> I believe we are near the expected result here :)
10:42:36 <clokep> Oh? Doesn't surprise me that GTalk does...
10:43:13 <Even> Yeah, Google guys are make life easier for everyone when they can.
10:43:39 <Even> And I believe that binding their XMPP servers on port 80 is a pretty cool idea :)
10:44:13 <Arkanath> yeah, Invalid XMPP ID
10:44:22 <Even> What have you in your conf right now ?
10:44:38 <Arkanath> Connect port : 80
10:44:46 <Even> no particular connect server ?
10:44:54 <Arkanath> connect server : xmpp.google.com
10:45:03 <Even> ok
10:45:21 <Arkanath> proxy settings : HTTP
10:45:28 <Even> perfect
10:45:33 <Even> how is your XMPP account named in the account window ?
10:45:54 <Arkanath> pathak.arkanath@gmail.com/Instantbird
10:46:04 <Even> that looks correct though
10:46:05 <Even> hmmm
10:46:38 <Even> try to add https://www.jappix.com/bind in BOSH URL then
10:46:43 <clokep> The stupid idea...did you check your password? ;)
10:46:56 <Arkanath> clokep: Yeah :)
10:46:56 <Even> yes, that is a good idea too
10:46:58 <Even> :)
10:47:10 <Even> You are not using 2 way auth on Google right ?
10:47:12 <clokep> (And you don't have two-stage auth or anything setup, right?)
10:47:19 <Even> (if you don't even know what this is, ignore the question :P)
10:47:43 <Even> (if you know and believe you use it, there is some specific steps to do to make it work from now on)
10:48:15 <Arkanath> I dont know what is two-stage auth
10:48:18 <Arkanath> :(
10:48:26 <Even> they call it "2-step verification"
10:48:42 <Arkanath> Connection security: require encryption
10:48:53 <Arkanath> BOSH url no help
10:49:06 <Even> it's a Google security options that makes your account very much more secure but on the backside it makes config harder
10:49:26 <Even> try to remove the s of https
10:49:32 <Even> first things first probably :)
10:49:56 <Arkanath> not working
10:50:16 <Arkanath> I just want to get instantbird workingm i mean no prolem in creating any other account
10:50:23 <Arkanath> *problem
10:51:00 <Even> Well, company securities are always a hurdle to get IM working anywhere :(
10:51:11 <Even> what does it do with the new URL ?
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10:51:28 <Arkanath> INVALID XMPP ID same thing always
10:51:28 <Even> oh, hi flo :)
10:51:37 <Even> that's strange
10:51:51 <Arkanath> what about irc
10:51:52 <Arkanath> ?
10:51:56 <Even> Maybe it's some small mistake.
10:51:57 <Arkanath> will that work?
10:52:05 <flo-retina> Even: I would expect the "old SSL method" (plain SSL, instead of using startTLS after some initial XMPP dialog) to work through an HTTPS proxy
10:52:08 <Even> just remove the bosh url that is not helping
10:52:25 <flo-retina> Even: because HTTPS proxy don't know what goes through the SSL connection :)
10:52:27 <Even> this is not an https proxy, it was a BOSH proxy
10:52:43 <Even> don't really know what their specifications are & it wasn't the point at the moment
10:52:47 <flo-retina> Gtalk doesn't support BOSH
10:53:03 <Even> we were using plain XMPP accounts
10:53:05 <flo-retina> (that would make things too easy for talkila :-D°
10:53:05 <flo-retina> )
10:53:21 <flo-retina> Even: I meant the gtalk servers, not the Ib implementation
10:53:46 <Even> well, there are bosh servers out there that do proxify properly to GTalk
10:53:50 <Even> I found some
10:53:57 <Even> that's not the prettiest way of achieving this but still
10:53:57 <Even> :)
10:54:04 <Even> and GTalk servers are listening on port 80
10:54:15 <Even> first I believed the invalid XMPP id might have been some proxy error
10:54:28 <Even> but since with bosh we have the same result I believe we are reaching google servers
10:54:42 <Even> the problem is probably more with the basic conf of the XMPP account
10:55:01 <Arkanath> Connecting: Initializing Stream :)
10:55:37 <flo-retina> Even: the gtalk server listening on port 80 is nice to go through a firewall, not through a proxy
10:56:11 <Even> yeah, it should not help much, that's why I thought about open bosh servers
10:56:46 <flo-retina> Even: the only way to go through an HTTPS proxy would be to use "old SSL" and to connect to port 443
10:57:07 <flo-retina> that solution should work just fine
10:58:16 <Even> that's interesting, but are the google servers listening on 443 too ?
10:58:21 <Even> (too cool xD)
10:58:25 <flo-retina> likely
10:58:30 <Arkanath> flo-retina: Using Old-SSL it says A crash occured while connecting this account..
10:58:32 <Even> (that would be awesome)
10:58:45 <Even> aouch
10:58:53 <flo-retina> Arkanath: did it really crash?
10:59:03 <Arkanath> no
10:59:06 <Arkanath> its in the status 
10:59:16 <flo-retina> then just ignore that message and try again :)
10:59:29 <Arkanath> not working
10:59:41 <Arkanath> same message below the account name
11:00:13 <Even> add port 443 to port
11:00:25 <Even> that was maybe useless to say so but I prefer to say it :)
11:00:55 <Arkanath> it was 443 
11:00:58 <Even> ok
11:01:05 <Even> in your proxy options do you have an HTTPS proxy configured ?
11:01:13 <Even> (you need one and your company probably does have one)
11:01:16 <Arkanath> no its http
11:01:35 <Arkanath> system proxy does have https
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11:01:55 <Even> then just copy those data to Ib in the correct fields
11:02:25 <Arkanath> umm, require encryption works now with port 80, and stuck at connecting: intialising stream
11:02:25 <Even> flo: but is libpurple supporting SSL proxies ?
11:02:38 <Arkanath> *initializing
11:02:38 <Even> and with old SSL ?
11:02:48 <Arkanath> old SSL 
11:03:01 <Arkanath> crash occures
11:03:18 <Even> k
11:03:24 <Even> flo: ?
11:03:58 <flo-retina> can we see the crash report?
11:04:23 <Arkanath> where to see that?
11:04:32 <Even> is it a crash status again or does Ib brach completely ?
11:04:35 <Even> *crash
11:04:48 <Arkanath> crash status
11:05:13 <Arkanath> ib didnt crash completely till now.
11:05:13 <Even> ok then I believe you can ignore safely flo's request
11:05:32 <Even> do you still have your Gtalk account or did you delete it ?
11:06:30 <Arkanath> delete that
11:06:34 <Arkanath> *deleted
11:06:42 <Even> ok, try again but with your https proxy on it
11:06:45 <Even> might well work
11:07:15 <Arkanath> My https proxy is same as http proxy
11:07:20 <Even> GTalk don't use the libpurple proxy settings, so try to fill HTTPS proxy in the other proxy dialog
11:07:27 <Even> but the port should be different isn't it ?
11:08:05 <Arkanath> no its the same
11:08:05 <Arkanath> 8080
11:08:23 <Even> ... strage
11:08:25 <Even> *strange
11:09:15 <Arkanath> BTW with normal gtalk its stuck on connecting...
11:09:24 <Even> k
11:09:53 <Mic> Isn't "stuck on connecting" something where a debug log would help?
11:10:14 <Mic> Ah, no. Forget that...
11:10:47 <flo-retina> Even: most http proxies support https connections
11:11:48 <flo-retina> Mic: yes it would
11:11:57 <flo-retina> we would at least know if we are attempting to use the proxy or not
11:13:01 <Arkanath> what are the other accounts that support http ?
11:14:43 <flo-retina> twitter
11:15:04 <Arkanath> let me try that then
11:18:53 <Arkanath> it worked... \m/
11:19:32 <Arkanath> so finally i will have to post a lot of tweets to check my add-on :)
11:19:57 <Arkanath> one more doubt, an add-on will work on proxy or not?
11:20:05 <flo-retina> it should be possible to fix the situation with gtalk
11:20:41 <Arkanath> will try that also
11:20:53 <flo-retina> some code changes are likely required
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11:37:07 <Arkanath> AIM also got working on 443 port
11:41:32 <Even> That's cool we are getting some results :)
11:42:51 <Arkanath> :)
11:43:31 <Arkanath> Now I can start making the add-on
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11:51:45 <Arkanath> I am now more interested in correcting the proxy issues as a GSoC project :)
11:59:23 <flo-retina> Correcting the proxy issue would likely take 2 hours, not 8 weeks ;)
11:59:48 <Arkanath> haha
11:59:50 <Arkanath> :)
12:02:15 <Arkanath> flo-retina: Do you think that my present idea satisfies that need?
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13:02:34 <flo-retina> Arkanath: I don't have a clear understanding of what the "present idea" is
13:07:03 <Arkanath> Ah, to make an add-on which can give you feeds about the text that we select in the chat box.
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13:09:37 <flo-retina> and where would the feeds be coming from?
13:09:55 <Arkanath> wikipedia, google, youtube etc..
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13:19:09 <clokep_wp8> Arkanath: It might hekp to formaliz your idea. If you want to do it for GSoC you'd need to for the application anyway.
13:19:43 <clokep_wp8> (Sorry for the spelling errors, IM on phones sucks.)
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13:22:42 <Arkanath> Actually I've just started making the proposal, but it will be nice if you can give some reviews.
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14:11:01 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2307 on bug 260.
14:11:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=260 min, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Pasting in the conversation input box doesn't send typing notifications
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14:28:37 <Mic> Great :) The line count in inputKeyPress was too damn high! ;)
14:29:03 <aleth> Mic: Indeed sir! that is mainly my fault though ;)
14:31:26 <Mic> Maybe but we've got awesome tab completion in return :)
14:33:24 <aleth> Thanks, but it still needs moving ;) That code just grew and grew...
14:34:47 <flo-retina> and I expect it to kepp growing ;)
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16:07:11 <aleth> flo-retina: Do you have time for a review of the log viewer patch? I don't think I'll be online this evening or tomorrow
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19:17:55 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1913 filed by razvanab@gmail.com.
19:17:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1913 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Display preferences
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19:46:08 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1913 to INCOMPLETE.
19:46:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1913 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO INCOMPLETE, Display preferences
19:46:50 <Mic> I hope that's not too harsh, he seems to be new :(
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20:45:54 <flo-retina> Mic: that's not harsh. I would have selected "INVALID" ;)
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