#instantbird log on 03 20 2013

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00:57:30 <clokep> I think the calculate of Twitter links stuff needs an idl change. :-/
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02:29:59 <dew> did instantbird hit the twitter api limit yet?
02:33:11 <clokep> dew: What?
02:33:14 <clokep> Why?
02:33:25 <dew> I'm just curious that's all
02:33:35 <clokep> No.
02:34:06 <dew> Okay good.  I've been recruiting people as much as I can for us
02:36:56 <clokep> Oh OK, you were making me nervous . :P
02:37:48 <dew> what would we do if we hit the limit?
02:37:54 <dew> do we have to buy something from twitter?
02:37:57 <EionRobb> panic!
02:41:12 <clokep> dew: No, there's lots of different limits in place, by the way.
02:41:22 <clokep> There's per user limits, per app limits, etc.
02:41:34 <clokep> Per app limits I think you can ask to  be raised.
02:41:40 <EionRobb> per-panic limits?
02:41:40 <clokep> But I think we're pretty ar from those.
02:42:12 <clokep> Probably. :p
02:42:21 <dew> and if they don't we will protest
02:42:34 <clokep> Haha.
02:42:47 <clokep> If they don't you can do funny things...like create a server that round robins a bunch of API keys. ;)
02:43:45 <clokep> Anyway, way past my bed time. :)
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09:36:53 <flo-retina> bah, shownick doesn't work for nicks containing ` :(
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10:12:33 <flo-retina> clokep: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/130320#m29 that's a sure way to get all the keys blocked, isn't it? ;)
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10:32:39 <clokep> flo-retina: "For the twitter case, I think the difficult part is to implement the twitter URL detection algorithm..." I'm debating just using Twitter's provided code. ;)
10:33:09 <flo-retina> have they released a JS version?
10:33:26 <flo-retina> we already discussed that 2 or 3 times, but I keep forgetting the answer :-S
10:33:56 <clokep> Yes.
10:34:05 <clokep> It's Apache licensed.
10:36:16 <clokep> We could either take their code and rip it apart to fit into what we have...or we can literally use their code as a library.
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12:39:03 <aleth> clokep_work: If I don't misremember, the twitter JS code is provided as a library contained in a single JS file
12:39:50 <aleth> If possible it's probably easier to use the whole thing, in case they update it.
12:47:26 <clokep_work> aleth: Yeah, that's what I meant by what I said earlier. ;)
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15:58:24 <neetz> hey
15:58:29 <neetz> someone's there ?
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16:11:25 <clokep_wp8> Neetz: What's up?
16:11:49 <clokep_wp8> Bah he left?
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16:12:49 <aleth> Looks like... his patience only lasted 1min
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17:29:56 <flo-retina> http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/03/babble-google-may-be-priming-unified-chat-service-for-google-io/
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17:38:11 <clokep_work> Bleh. :(
17:38:53 <flo-retina> is that to Mossop's reply, or to the link I pasted?
17:40:32 <clokep_work> I didn't read his reply.
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17:57:27 <clokep_work> I'll reply to him.
18:16:31 <dew> what's wrong clokep_work?
18:16:48 <dew> would a unified chat service be using XMPP?
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18:22:12 <clokep_work> dew: THat's an important question which we can't open. ;)
18:22:28 <dew> you're under NDA eh?
18:23:19 <clokep_work> dew: What?
18:23:24 <clokep_work> We don't have any information.
18:23:29 <clokep_work> Sorry, that should say "we can't answer".
18:23:47 <dew> ah I thought you were trying to drop me an wink wink nudge nudge type thing
18:25:08 <clokep_work> Nope.
18:25:13 <clokep_work> I know nothing.
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18:31:44 <clokep_work> dew: They've also made it hard to federate to GTalk now...
18:32:11 <dew> I'm not sure what you mean
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18:37:39 <clokep_work> dew: On XMPP you can talk to people on different XMPP "networks" (e.g. my jabber.org accoutn can talk to my GTalk account). GTalk has started to stop some of that, it seems.
18:38:34 <dew> oh :/
18:38:48 <dew> Google hasn't been too open lately; it seems like they've been closing off a bit
18:39:37 <dew> Also I find this interesting: http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/03/guerilla-researcher-created-epic-botnet-to-scan-billions-of-ip-addresses/
18:40:48 <clokep_work> Google hasn't really ever been really open. ;)
18:42:33 <dew> yeah thus why I like Mozilla better :)
18:42:45 <dew> and I try to explain that to people everyday
18:45:17 <clokep_work> :) We like to think we're pretty open too. :P
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18:48:19 <dew> Yeah you guys are
18:49:12 <clokep_work> flo-retina: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/160139
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19:14:41 <clokep_work> (Let me know if that sounds reasonable.)
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19:37:10 <flo-retina> clokep_work: "During the build process only one file can actually be used (since they have the same name), it was chosen to use the one in mail/ not in chat/." doesn't make total sense
19:37:21 <flo-retina> especially what "it was chosen to use" mean
19:38:53 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I don't see how it isn't clear. :-/
19:38:55 <flo-retina> "The http.jsm file exists in 2 different folders of the source tree; whichever folder is built last overwrites in <appdir>/module the http.jsm file that was copied there by the first one." Does this make sense?
19:39:03 <clokep_work> Isn't that what happened someone artbirarily chose to use the mail one?
19:39:20 <flo-retina> no, nobody ever decided that
19:39:20 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Yes, that's more detailed.
19:39:33 <clokep_work> Ah, I thought we have an ifdef that doesn't add taht if thunderbird?
19:39:47 <flo-retina> hmm
19:39:48 <flo-retina> possibly :)
19:39:58 <clokep_work> flo-retina: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/modules/Makefile.in#23
19:40:14 <flo-retina> ok, my bad, sorry
19:40:26 <flo-retina> I suspect removing that ifdef wouldn't change the result ;)
19:40:34 <flo-retina> would just make partial rebuilds more unpredictable
19:42:04 <clokep_work> Maybe the sentence still doesn't make sense though.
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19:47:00 <flo-retina> it's just an email, not something thousands of people will read ;)
19:49:08 <clokep_work> True. :)
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20:29:24 <Mic> clokep_work: can we be a bit more positive about our GSoC application, please? ;)
20:29:26 <Mic> http://i.imgur.com/muSuu4n.png
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20:36:16 <clokep_work> Mic: :P
20:36:22 <Mic> Offtopic: I participated in a study today and I've got to say: CAVEs are awesome :)
20:36:26 <clokep_work> I noticed that the other day (that our links fail often in Twitter).
20:36:30 <clokep_work> CAVEs?
20:36:34 <clokep_work> You go spelunking?
20:36:47 <Mic> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_automatic_virtual_environment
20:38:39 <Mic> The one I was in was maybe 16-20m^2 large and had projections on every wall/surface (the door was closed once you entered, so it was a separate room)
20:42:28 <Mic> After a training how to move in a labyrinth, the actual test was how one reacted when confined in a tunnel where a car crash had happened, while cars were burning.
20:42:53 <Mic> Very interesting :)
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20:54:53 <clokep_work> Soudns fun. :)
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22:28:07 <clokep> Hello!
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22:59:26 <clokep> Hey Mook_as if you get bored at some point, I wouldn't mind another pair of eyes over bug 1100. :)
22:59:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors
23:00:33 <Mook_as> sure, f?me?
23:02:15 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested feedback from mook.moz+bugs.ins tantbird@gmail.com for attachment 2291 on bug 1100.
23:02:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors
23:02:29 <clokep> f?you! :P
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23:55:38 <clokep> flo-retina: I have a feeling you're right, On Windows it's already pretty blue so the blue text isn't noticeable at all.
23:56:13 <flo-retina> blue is more noticeable than red here
23:56:24 <flo-retina> but it may be because half my tabs are red all the time :-]
23:57:16 <clokep> Also red/orange means attention on Windows. :)
23:57:30 <flo-retina> also, I'm got trained to ignore red tabs with the MUC icon, and look for red tabs with a status icon. That seems like a bug ;)
23:57:46 <flo-retina> is orange more attention or less attention than red?
23:58:28 <flo-retina> when I said "orange" I actually meant something less noticeable than the usual red
23:58:37 <flo-retina> so that could be the same red, but with only 50% saturation
23:58:40 <clokep> Right. I think that's the change I have in that patch to conversation.xml?
23:58:47 <clokep> Yeah, that would be "less" attention.
23:58:55 * flo-retina doesn't remember what's in the patch
23:59:08 * clokep hates bikeshedding. :(
23:59:39 * flo-retina too
23:59:48 <flo-retina> that's probably why we have avoided that bug for so long
23:59:53 <flo-retina> a bug about colors... ;)