#instantbird log on 03 19 2013

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00:00:25 <Mic> clokep: I think so.
00:01:43 <Mic> Try "Object - CSS Rules" in the right pane
00:02:30 <Mook_as> I'd recommend using style= attribute instead; the css rules thing can sometimes get really confused
00:03:22 <clokep> Mic: http://i.imgur.com/rsuy4CG.png a bit better?
00:03:30 <clokep> Mook_as: Yeah I ended up doing that and it worked OK.
00:06:34 <Mic> Yes, but test7 has a visible gradient while the other background tabs have not (well, test5 too, maybe).
00:06:59 <Mic> Maybe it's just for me because of a crappy screen though ;)
00:07:33 <clokep> Mic: I agree, they do.
00:08:49 <Mic> Good night!
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00:36:13 <clokep> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode13:Brainstorming#Instantbird is filled in.
00:39:08 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested feedback from aleth@instantbird .org for attachment 2287 on bug 800.
00:39:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=800 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tab style for message notifications could be better.
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03:51:01 <instant-buildbot> build #814 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/814
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04:42:50 <instant-buildbot> build #810 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/810
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06:10:22 <instant-buildbot> build #906 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/906
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08:15:39 <flo-retina> clokep: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/130319#m13 thanks! :)
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09:14:42 <flo-retina> apparently Growl has been removed *again* from mozilla-central
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09:28:06 <Mic> Why? Did Apple not approve? :P
09:28:09 <Mic> scnr 
09:37:32 <flo-retina> Mic: they took the opportunity to also remove libnotify support on Linux ;)
09:37:51 <flo-retina> "Remove native notification systems on desktop platforms."
09:37:55 <flo-retina> without rationale :-P
09:38:25 <flo-retina> someone asked, and the answer was "I removed Growl support because it does not support features needed to implement the spec. I also removed libnotify support because I can't find documentation about all the capabilities, so it's possible that libnotify could work but I just can't find it in the documentation."
09:41:23 <Mic> Do you have a bug number for mig?
09:41:59 <Mic> *me
09:43:20 <flo-retina> sure, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=782211
09:52:02 <Mic> Thanks
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10:20:48 <Mic> Requesting the icons from IRC contacts when they sign on works now :)
10:21:37 <Mic> I removed you from my contact list to spare you this for now ;)
10:23:50 <flo-retina> Mic: so does "works" mean you send an "AVATAR" message to everybody?
10:23:53 <clokep> Mic: You could just give me an updated version of the extension. ;)
10:26:37 <Mic> flo-retina: yes, once when the contact signs on at the moment (i.e. only for people that were added to the contact list).
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10:35:59 <Mic> I wanted to trigger the request from the buddyIconFilename getter first, in case that there's no image yet, but that would have been way more complicated.
10:40:34 <clokep> Mic: Ah, getting buddy icons is synchronous, isn't it?
10:41:00 <Mic> Yes
10:41:22 <flo-retina> clokep: I think you can return "no icon", fetch the icon, and fire a notification once it's received
10:43:57 <clokep> flo-retina: Ah OK. That sounds like the "right" way to do it then. ;)
10:44:02 <clokep> But yes, more complicated.
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10:45:59 <Mic> clokep: especially from an add-on. There's no nice way to override the getter.
10:46:59 <Mic> clokep: I updated the WIP extension in the bug. Let me know when I can add you to my contact list again :)
10:47:10 <clokep> Mic: Ah, I didn't consider that :(
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10:48:15 <Mic> flo-retina: the notification is automatically fired as soon as you set a value for buddyIconFilename.
10:48:42 <clokep> Mic: OK.
10:48:58 <clokep> (As in you can add me back.)
10:49:49 <Mic> OK
10:50:34 <clokep> (I even added an icon. ;))
10:50:47 <Mic> Yes, there's one on your tooltip! :)
10:51:24 <clokep> I assume I'd have to remove you and re-add you to get one for you?
10:51:41 <Mic> Or reconnect or /ctcp Mic AVATAR
10:51:48 <clokep> I did the latter. :P
10:52:35 <Mic> Bye, have a nice day!
10:53:37 <Mic> clokep: remember that you'll annoy any IRC contact who hasn't support for this (=everyone, most likely) with these requests now..
10:53:57 <clokep> Like flo? ;)
10:53:59 <Mic> Maybe I should add a checkbox in the prefs.
10:55:00 <clokep> Couldn't someone just disable it?
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11:41:38 <aleth> Great UI https://twitter.com/ryan/status/313755123295854592/photo/1
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11:59:01 <Mic> aleth: awesome.
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12:06:42 <Mic> Someone scanned the web using a botnet (that's bad, tzz!) and made a nice animation with activity over the course of a day: http://internetcensus2012.github.com/InternetCensus2012/images/geovideo.gif
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12:17:05 <Mic> aleth: did you set this "%S" quit message yourself or do we have a bug somewhere? http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/130319#m115
12:17:51 <aleth> Mic: I set it myself, just to see if something odd would happen. And then I forgot about it...
12:18:11 <Mic> :)
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12:28:34 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org granted feedback for attachment 2287 on bug 800.
12:28:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=800 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tab style for message notifications could be better.
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12:37:18 <clokep_work> aleth: Btw in bug 800...if we're going to improve those gradients / colors, you should probably do it. :-D The colors I changed were fairly arbitrary...it's not something I hvae ne eye for.
12:37:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=800 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tab style for message notifications could be better.
12:38:07 <aleth> clokep_work: The last time I played with those colours I got a bit frustrated too :D
12:39:57 <aleth> It's easy to tell when they are "off", harder to get it right... Maybe I'll give it another go sometime
12:40:08 <clokep_work> :)
12:40:17 <clokep_work> I think I improved on yours a bit, but they could use a bit more TLC.
12:43:12 * flo-retina is adding his 2 cents in the bug
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12:48:35 <clokep_work> I think the switch from the text being a color to the tab being highlighted will be enough to get used to that it'll avoid confusion.
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14:23:14 * flo-retina wonders if instantbird could be on http://mxr.mozilla.org/
14:25:10 <flo-retina> not really useful if it goes into c-c of course :)
14:29:39 <clokep_work> Have we had any further thought of that happening?
14:31:04 <flo-retina> last time we discussed it, I thought it was blocked by the BIO/BMO merge :(
14:31:44 <clokep_work> Oh, I wasn't ever under that impression.
14:32:07 <flo-retina> I thought we were going to hg convert the whole history to have BMO bug numbers in the commit messages
14:32:27 <clokep_work> Ohhhh, I think we did say that.
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14:54:04 <Rainwave> Hey folks, second time now I've gotten a nasty crash bug on startup that makes instantbird 1.3 unkillable.
14:54:25 <Rainwave> have to reboot my PC (logging off doesn't do anything) and no amount of retrying anything in IB helps.
14:54:40 <clokep_work> Rainwave: Did killing it in the task manager not work?
14:54:41 <Rainwave> IB automatically disables connecting to accounts but the lock just happens all over again
14:54:47 <Rainwave> clokep_work: Nope.  Windows remain open.
14:54:51 <clokep_work> Did you just update? Or change anything?
14:54:54 <Rainwave> Nope.
14:55:00 <clokep_work> Did you try running in safe mode?
14:55:02 <Rainwave> Started a fresh profile a week ago, this time I used less accounts.
14:55:07 <Rainwave> Hold shift while starting?
14:55:22 <Rainwave> (or: "how do I start it in safe mode")
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14:55:39 <clokep_work> Wait, does that work for some programs? :-S
14:55:47 <clokep_work> Rainwave: Let me look it up, one second.
14:55:48 <Rainwave> No idea, just a random guess.
14:56:18 <clokep_work> Rainwave: We install a "Instantbird (Safe mode)" shortcut in the start menu
14:56:30 <Rainwave> Hmm, it's not showing up
14:56:40 <clokep_work> Bah...Ctrl+Shift+W is not what I wanted...
14:56:56 <clokep_work> Rainwave: If yo're on Windows 7, make sure you go to "All programs" > "Instantbird" folder.
14:56:57 <Rainwave> I'm on win8, start menu ain't what it used to be
14:57:22 <clokep_work> Rainwave: I'm not on my Windows 8 machine right now, but you should be able to search for it.
14:57:44 <Rainwave> Yeah not seeing it.  I'll reboot so I can try and use the commandline switch.  brb.
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14:57:50 <clokep_work> Or you can run something like "C:\Program Files (x86)\Instantbird\instantbird.exe" -safe-mode on a command prompt / run menu.
14:58:00 <clokep_work> Reboot? (o_O)
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15:00:32 <Rainwave> Well --help just started IB normally which didn't help things.
15:01:00 <clokep_work> Rainwave: I gave you the command to run above, it should be -safe-mode
15:01:08 <Rainwave> Ah-ha found iut
15:01:44 <Rainwave> Thanks.  Safe mode on.  Aaand... super hardlock
15:02:04 <clokep_work> :-/ I'm not really sure.
15:02:25 <Rainwave> Is there anything I can do?  I've got a 2-second window before IB shits itself.
15:02:34 <Rainwave> Not sure if I can get to a log in that amount of time
15:02:59 <clokep_work> flo-retina: ^^
15:03:03 <Rainwave> Other than that the only thing I can think of is try a nightly and cross my fingers?
15:03:25 <clokep_work> Rainwave: That might help, give me a minute to think (/ do some _work)
15:03:42 <Rainwave> The most bizarre part is how unkillable it is.  Even logging off and on again doesn't work, I have to reboot my machine.
15:03:58 <Rainwave> (if I log off and on the window gets killed but the profile's .lock stays on and can't be deleted)
15:04:29 <clokep_work> That's really strange...and I'm really stumped by it starting to happen all of a sudden. :(
15:04:32 <Rainwave> okay, will reboot and try a nightly
15:04:34 <clokep_work> Did you try reinstalling tbw?
15:04:43 <Rainwave> Twice!  I'm clearly doing something bizarre.
15:04:45 <flo-retina> are you sure there's no other instantbird process already running?
15:04:55 <Rainwave> flo-retina: Positive, I've only started 1 instance.
15:04:59 <flo-retina> starting with --help shouldn't "start normally", unless it's just focusing an existing instantbird process
15:05:10 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I think you need /? on Windows.
15:05:17 <flo-retina> clokep_work: really?
15:05:26 <Rainwave> None of those switches give me anything
15:05:41 <Rainwave> --safe-mode did give me safe mode though
15:05:43 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I thought so, but I could be mistaken.
15:05:46 <clokep_work> mconley: ping
15:05:55 <mconley> clokep_work: pong
15:05:57 <Rainwave> (some preferences weren't loaded)
15:06:33 <clokep_work> mconley: flo-retina wanted to ask if you were possible interested in co-mentoring adding FileLink to IM for GSoC?
15:06:41 <clokep_work> (You never answered my memoserv! :P)
15:07:18 <Rainwave> brb
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15:07:51 <mconley> clokep_work: in a meeting - will respond in 1hr
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15:10:36 <Rainwave> Nope, nightly's just as broken.
15:10:44 <Rainwave> I can't keep rebuilding my profile. :(
15:12:17 <clokep_work> Rainwave: Wait, can you start from the beginning then? Was this happening with your old profile, so you created a new one and then it started happening again after ~ week.
15:12:25 <Rainwave> Yes.
15:12:45 <Rainwave> I've had my old profile since IB 1.0
15:12:54 <Rainwave> (and I still have it, just in a different directory)
15:13:04 <clokep_work> Yeah, we definitely haven't had any reports of this...
15:13:34 <Rainwave> I'd love to be able to help solve it in any way because having to consider configuring Pidgin again is making me shudder.
15:15:22 <clokep_work> Rainwave: Did you recently install anti-virus software or anything of that sort?
15:16:19 <Rainwave> Nope, I've always been on Microsoft Security Essentials through Win7 and Win8.
15:16:40 <clokep_work> Bah.
15:16:44 * clokep_work is out of ideas. :(
15:16:46 <Rainwave> Win8 upgrade happened the week of release - not recently, nothing's changed in the last week that should have affected the fresh profile.
15:16:59 <Rainwave> Profile cruft was something I considered, which is why I started fresh
15:17:05 <clokep_work> Rainwave: What accounts do you have?
15:17:10 <clokep_work> (What protocols / networks.)
15:17:16 <Rainwave> 2 GTalks and an IRC.
15:17:29 <Rainwave> My old profile had many, many more but I pared it to the minimum to see if I'd get a repeat.
15:17:57 <Rainwave> I did copy my old logs to the new profile - but... that shouldn't have any effect, should it?
15:18:26 <Rainwave> I'm struggling to think of something that would lock-up a safe mode instance after 1 or 2 seconds of IB being open.
15:18:58 <Rainwave> I'm using the minimalistic theme with smilies turned off.  That's honestly about the only thing I do to IB to make it behave how I like it.
15:19:34 <clokep_work> We don't like iterate over logs or anything on start (as far as I know). So thta shouldn't matter.
15:21:16 <Rainwave> also that would have brought the profile down a long time ago
15:22:05 <Rainwave> No minidumps...
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15:24:55 <Rainwave> http://i.imgur.com/5DODWIJ.png can't see anything out of the ordinary here outside of the leftover parent.lock file
15:25:03 <Rainwave> (just moved the log dir out)
15:30:58 <clokep_work> Bah I have that same guy ranting in #thunderbird again about not supporting autocommands, but refusing to file bugs.
15:31:09 <clokep_work> Rainwave: I'm sorry I don't have any more ideas. :(
15:31:23 <Rainwave> well one last try and then I give up
15:31:37 <aleth> Rainwave: Just to check - any add-ons? And does anything similar happen with Firefox for you?
15:31:48 <Rainwave> I've never had this with Firefox.
15:32:03 <aleth> (not that I know anything about Windows issues)
15:32:20 <aleth> clokep_work: Could it be something like that sound driver crash that happened a while back?
15:32:27 <aleth> Rainwave: Have you turned off sounds?
15:32:35 <Rainwave> aleth: I believe I have, yes.
15:32:45 <Rainwave> At the very worst Firefox has always been killable. (and in recent memory Firefox simply apologizes and restarts with my tabs)
15:33:08 <aleth> Rainwave: Right. What you are experiencing sounds... unheard of :(
15:33:44 <Rainwave> I really don't know what to tell you more than I already have.  There isn't even enough time for me to open the error console before IB locks.
15:34:00 <aleth> If you start up with a completely empty profile (no accounts) does it still happen?
15:34:13 <Rainwave> I'd have to start a fresh profile or modify the sqlite db directly
15:34:17 <Rainwave> IB starts with no accounts connecting though
15:34:28 <Rainwave> It does that much automatically after a crash, though in this instance it's not helping
15:34:32 <Rainwave> We already tried safe mode as well
15:34:34 <aleth> If they aren't set to connect, there shouldn't be a problem
15:35:08 <Rainwave> too bad there's no strace for windows
15:36:04 <aleth> To test with a completely fresh profile without losing your old one, start instantbird with -P and then make a new one there.
15:36:20 <aleth> (-P brings up the profile manager)
15:36:36 <Rainwave> Okay.  Last time I just wiped the profile.ini while keeping my old directory
15:36:55 <Rainwave> Well brb, this requires a reboot
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15:38:49 <Rainwave> jesus it's even happening on a newly created profile.
15:38:52 <Rainwave> this makes me wonder...
15:38:59 <Rainwave> gonna try something brb
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15:44:58 <clokep_work> aleth: Btw your name ended up as a possible mentor, it can be removed though if you are not interested.
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15:47:34 <Rainwave> well there goes that idea
15:47:44 <Rainwave> but I do have a Process Monitor log of what IB is doing
15:47:56 <Rainwave> It's...... strace-ey
15:48:16 <Rainwave> The last thing Instantbird does is... hit up activate.adobe.com?!
15:48:36 <clokep_work> Rainwave: Hmm...sounds like you have a flash plug-in in it?
15:48:48 <Rainwave> I have Flash installed for Firefox
15:48:52 <Rainwave> But it sure never asked me about IB
15:49:10 <aleth> clokep_work: I'm OK with "possible mentor", I just can't say anything definite about this summer yet.
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15:49:57 <aleth> clokep_work: How would a flash plugin affect a clean profile? Where are they stored on win?
15:50:06 <Rainwave> brb rebooting and uninstalling Flash
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15:54:22 <Rainwave> Red herring
15:54:33 <flo-retina> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode13#Instantbird (no more ":brainstorm" in the url ;))
15:55:17 <Rainwave> I think it may have something to do with the fact that I have activate.adobe.com redirected to so ProcessMon is trying to use that
15:55:19 <Rainwave> is my guess
15:56:10 <Rainwave> does Instantbird use SSDP?
15:56:49 <Rainwave> do you guys want this Process Mon dump so you can take a peek yourself or are we giving up and I have to find something else? :/
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15:57:09 <clokep_work> aleth: Plug-ins are system wide, I think.
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15:57:16 <Rainwave> I've even unplugged any extra hardware that might be plugged in/turned on (wifi, phone, and... oh, hmm..)
15:57:26 <Rainwave> nah my USB3 adapter shouldn't do it
15:57:37 <clokep_work> Rainwave: I have no idea what SSDP is.
15:57:39 <Rainwave> or my laptop dock, both were plugged in yesterday
15:57:46 <Rainwave> clokep_work: I think it's UPnP
15:58:27 <Rainwave> so I uninstalled IB, wiped my entire profile directory (backed up and ticked "delete all user data" on the uninstaller), reinstalled 1.3 from the website
15:58:36 <Rainwave> and it crashes within 2 seconds on a fresh install/profile.
15:58:57 <Rainwave> I am at a complete loss.
15:59:29 <Rainwave> If you guys want the strace-like log I've got I can provide that
16:02:15 <clokep_work> Rainwave: Sure, can you put it on pastebin.instantbird.org?
16:02:27 <clokep_work> Rainwave: It sounds like something changed on your machine. :(
16:03:02 <Rainwave> I'm on vacation, the only thing that could have possibly changed were any self-updating programs
16:03:30 <clokep_work> That's exactly the type of change I'm talking about. ;)
16:05:45 <Rainwave> I don't have much on here; can probably count those programs on 1 or 2 hands
16:06:49 <Rainwave> Windows itself, Flash, Instantbird, Firefox.... yup, running through my list of installed stuff those are the only self-updaters.
16:07:00 <Rainwave> can run through services.msc and config.exe to double check though
16:07:14 <clokep_work> And MS Security essentials. ;)
16:07:23 <Rainwave> That's an integrated part of Win8
16:07:32 <Rainwave> It's unremovable and just self-updates as part of Windows
16:07:34 <clokep_work> Meh, that's debatbale.
16:07:41 <clokep_work> But anyway, I don't want to debate that.
16:08:02 <Rainwave> Yes, that and I'm not removing it to see if that's the cause, since I've been running it since it was rebranded MSE. :)
16:08:13 <clokep_work> I really have no idea what else could be causing the issue. Possibly things like corrupt sectors, but I doubt that would happen after reinstalling.
16:08:24 <clokep_work> I wasn't going to ask you to remove it.
16:08:52 <Rainwave> Oh, I wasn't expecting that, just mentioning that I'm not willing to eliminate it as a candidate. :)
16:09:14 <Rainwave> Intel SSD Toolbox is reporting no errors
16:09:46 <Rainwave> and I have no funny I/O business going on (e.g. not TrueCrypting my profile or anything)
16:10:12 <Rainwave> hmm the Process Monitor output is a proprietary file format, can't attach it to pastebin.instantbird.com
16:10:19 <Rainwave> it's got a rather large volume of info
16:10:26 <Rainwave> create a bug?
16:10:37 <clokep_work> Ah, I thought you were just looking at a text file.
16:10:43 <clokep_work> You could create a bug, yes.
16:10:45 <Rainwave> it might be exportable as that
16:10:55 <Rainwave> but it's much nicer viewed through the program :
16:10:56 <Rainwave> :)
16:12:22 <clokep_work> Looks like the top two Windows crashers are me. :( And it's happening every shutdown on one of my machines.
16:12:37 <Rainwave> Hah, I used to get that.  It magically fixed itself one day.
16:12:42 <Rainwave> I don't get any crash reports btw
16:12:47 <Rainwave> The windows just freeze open
16:13:06 <Rainwave> I've submitted crash reports to Microsoft but nothing comes of them
16:13:27 <Rainwave> (not that I expect anything to, but usually it at least pops up a windows saying "sorry, your shit is fucked and we're clueless")
16:13:27 <clokep_work> We look at our crash reports.
16:13:39 <Rainwave> Oh?
16:13:58 <Rainwave> "Windows is checking for a solution to this problem..." is what I get in Win8
16:14:06 <Rainwave> And then that window disappears and I see nothing
16:14:30 <Rainwave> I don't know if that winds up with you or not at that point
16:14:49 <clokep_work> No.
16:14:57 <clokep_work> We get the ones that show the Mozilla crash reporter.
16:15:00 <Rainwave> bAhh.
16:15:14 <Rainwave> -b.  Yeah I don't get that window.
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16:18:28 <clokep_work> Rainwave: You could try running with the -console flag?
16:18:39 <Rainwave> will do on next reboot
16:19:41 <Rainwave> I'll pipe it to a text file since I don't want to have to do any more reboots, it's 1:20am where I am and I'd really like some sleep :)
16:21:05 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1901 filed by rmcauley@rainwave.cc.
16:21:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1901 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Fresh install, fresh profile, instant bizarre hardlock
16:21:47 <Rainwave> brb
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16:27:27 <Rainwave> Did you say that was -console?
16:27:48 <Rainwave> Single hyphen?
16:27:50 <flo-retina> so I would suspect either broken drivers (sound or video drivers), or faulty hardware :-S
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16:33:45 <clokep_work> Rainwave: Yes. single hyphen.
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16:35:46 <Rainwave> stupid hotel internet.  -console right?
16:35:56 <Rainwave> didn't seem to do anything when I tried it
16:36:18 <clokep_work> -console yes.
16:36:30 <Rainwave> Bupkis
16:36:43 <Rainwave> No extra window or anything
16:37:05 <Rainwave> How about that, Pidgin crashes too
16:37:07 <Rainwave> Libpurple issue?
16:37:21 <Rainwave> (and this is a fresh Pidgin install with a fresh profile)
16:37:24 <clokep_work> Most likely a driver or hardware issue as flo-retina suggested.
16:37:39 <Rainwave> Well it's common across Pidgin and IB, which sucks because now what options do I have
16:37:56 <clokep_work> Fix your messed up driver or hardware? ;)
16:37:58 <Rainwave> Yup Pidgin ain't closin' either.
16:38:26 <clokep_work> Could be network driver maybe?
16:38:38 <clokep_work> Did you look through the list of windows updates to see what's been done recently?
16:39:19 <Rainwave> Did that right now - February 14th was the last driver update
16:39:34 <Rainwave> Only updates in the last week were MSE definition updates
16:39:47 <Rainwave> Before that, some security updates.
16:42:53 <Rainwave> MSE quick scan comes up blank
16:44:15 <flo-retina> Rainwave: so you said you have only gtalk and IRC accounts in your profile?
16:44:48 <flo-retina> we don't load libpurple if there's no libpurple-based account and the full list of protocols isn't requested (it's requested when the account wizard is shown)
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16:55:32 <flo-retina> btw, if we really want to test if something is a libpurple issue, an easy way to test is to just delete the components/purplexpcom.dll file ;)
17:02:22 <mconley> clokep_work: hey!
17:02:28 <mconley> clokep_work: I'm bad at memoserv
17:03:07 <mconley> clokep_work: so, co-mentoring adding Filelink to IM for TB? I'd be up for that - though I'm probably already going to be mentoring a project
17:03:16 <mconley> clokep_work: but I'm happy to consult. :)
17:05:20 <flo-retina> mconley: I'm probably the other possible mentor for that project, and I'm also likely to already be mentoring another project
17:05:38 <mconley> then we'll both consult
17:05:40 <mconley> happy to do that
17:05:41 <mconley> :)
17:05:44 <flo-retina> mconley: although we really shouldn't bother too much about how many projects each of us is mentoring until we actually review the student applications
17:05:51 <mconley> true say
17:05:58 <mconley> anyhow, you have my sword (for consulting)
17:06:03 <flo-retina> ok, cool :)
17:06:04 <clokep_work> mconley: Excellent. :)
17:06:08 <flo-retina> thanks
17:06:22 <clokep_work> mconley: Yeah, and don't worry. Memoserv sucks...I sitll want to make it better...
17:06:52 <mconley> it's a great idea in theory
17:07:05 <flo-retina> clokep_work: mconley may not be using Instantbird for IRC though ;)
17:07:13 <clokep_work> Nah, he uses LimeChat IIRC.
17:07:21 <clokep_work> Yeah.
17:07:22 <mconley> I tried IB for a week as you suggested
17:07:35 <mconley> and gave you lots of feedback. :) I just am too used to LimeChat
17:07:47 <mconley> plus, I couldn't get it to connect to my bip bouncer
17:08:10 <clokep_work> Bouncers...bleh.
17:08:13 <Mook_as> hmm. screen shot looks like thunderbird's IRC UI :p
17:08:15 * flo-retina doesn't remember the details :(
17:09:26 <clokep_work> mconley: Yeah, fair enough. I agree the idea of memoserv is cool, but in practice it's kind of meh. Like the rest of IRC. ;)
17:09:42 <mconley> c'est la vie
17:09:50 <mconley> :D
17:10:41 * flo-retina wonders if a French translation of "c'est la vie" should be composed only of English words ;)
17:30:17 <mconley> :D
17:31:13 <aleth> or maybe something unrelated in Italian... ;)
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18:25:14 <dew> so the new notifcation api landed in m-c!
18:25:26 <dew> notification*
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18:53:08 <clokep_work> dew: Is that something we're excited about? :P
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19:06:11 <Mook_as> hmm. flo-retina, you have rather strong opinions on mozmill, right? anything on marionette?
19:06:27 <flo-retina> I haven't tried marionette yet
19:07:32 <Mook_as> okay. been thinking about using it, though so far it looks very... firefox-specific
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19:32:17 <dew> yes I was excited about that clokep_work!
19:32:34 <dew> I can probably convert someone from chrome when they are implemented
19:32:49 <dew> and I'm sure they would be nice in Instantbird too ;)
19:36:51 * clokep_work shrugs.
19:36:58 <clokep_work> I prefer native stuff.
19:38:37 <clokep_work> But I don't use notifications on Instantbird so. ;)
19:56:51 <dew> well this will be cross platform :)
19:57:20 <dew> I liked what I saw with the new Firefox download manager
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19:59:29 <dew> getting objective criticism out of people is like pulling teeth
20:01:10 <clokep_work> Yup. :)
20:10:47 <dew> I feel like talking about web browsers is like bringing up politics and religion at the same time
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20:21:09 <clokep_work> Yeah...funny that, isn't it?
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22:57:24 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 2276 on bug 677.
22:57:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677 nor, --, 1.4, clokep, RESO FIXED, Reopen Twitter stream when "track" preference changes
23:01:19 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2286 on bug 1890.
23:01:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1890 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Update Twitter to API v1.1
23:07:40 <clokep> flo-retina: That good enough? ;)
23:08:31 <flo-retina> :)
23:08:39 <flo-retina> would be nice to have an automated test for that btw
23:08:50 <clokep> flo-retina: And actually post every time? :-S
23:08:57 <flo-retina> nah
23:09:03 <flo-retina> just check that the oauth signature is correct
23:09:20 <clokep> The code to generate that string btw: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/159649
23:09:35 <flo-retina> we would need to fake a few values sent to us by the twitter server, and use a fixed timestamp, so that we can compare to a fixed signature
23:10:14 <flo-retina> that code would be better in a comment in the bug than on a pastebin that will expire ;)
23:10:45 <flo-retina> clokep: I'm looking at bug 1100
23:10:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors
23:11:05 <flo-retina> I don't understand what you've done exactly with the parameters, but I'm pretty sure there are still mismatched types there
23:11:52 <clokep> flo-retina: Maybe, which parameter?
23:12:30 <flo-retina> lots of aStatus parameters that are now actually aIsSslError but haven't been renamed
23:19:18 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 2285 on bug 1100.
23:19:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors
23:19:35 <clokep> flo-retina: Yeah, I just didn't rename them.
23:19:55 <flo-retina> right, it's obvious now. :)
23:22:30 <clokep> Yeah, I thought it had some duplication but wasn't sure if I should make a new variable or not. :)
23:23:14 <flo-retina> it's only a coding style thing as you don't seem to be crossing xpconnect there
23:29:58 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2290 on bug 1100.
23:30:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors
23:30:06 <clokep> Yeah, I checked pretty extensively for that. :)
23:30:18 <clokep> Sorry for not renaming them...I guess after looking at the code a lot I internalized what they were.
23:33:04 <flo-retina> the isSelfSigned still cannot fit on the 80 char same line?
23:33:37 <clokep> :( You're right. It does now. :( Sorry.
23:33:50 <flo-retina> (and even if it didn't, you forgot to re-align it ;))
23:34:17 <clokep> :-[
23:34:46 <flo-retina> "The target site that a SSL/certificate error returned." doesn't really explain what "target site" means ;)
23:35:11 <clokep> Ah, well you assume I really know what it means. ;)
23:35:20 <EionRobb> 'target site' is where you send the ICBM
23:35:30 <flo-retina> "// A nsISSLStatus object from an SSL/certificate error on connection." doesn't seem accurate either
23:36:05 <flo-retina> as it will always be null for ssl errors
23:36:17 <clokep> Yes, you're right. Copy & paste bit me there.
23:36:27 <clokep> I'm unsure how else to describe the target site one. :-/
23:36:47 <flo-retina> what about "// A nsISSLStatus instance giving details about the certificate error."?
23:36:59 <clokep> "    The Site name that was used to open the current connection." is what MDN says abou tit...
23:37:32 <clokep> Is that reasonable ^.
23:37:42 <clokep> Or should I just hard code "EionRobb" so all the ICBMs hit him?
23:37:47 <EionRobb> \o/
23:37:48 <flo-retina> no, MDN is full of non sense that forces you to go read the source code of what you are calling ;)
23:38:14 <Mook_as> well, in this case it's from the idl :D
23:38:27 <clokep> flo-retina: Well "// The site return by a SSL/certificate error." is what I have now for that...
23:39:00 <flo-retina> Mook_as: and you went to find the source idl to determine that ;)
23:39:09 <Mook_as> flo-retina: hah, true
23:39:23 <Mook_as> (it sounds like it's the host/port that was being connected to that cause the error)
23:39:24 <flo-retina> :-P
23:39:31 <flo-retina> Mook_as: I think so
23:39:41 <clokep> It is, yes.
23:39:43 <flo-retina> isn't that called the "prepath" in URL stuff?
23:39:59 <clokep> Pretty much I don't care what it is, I just feed it to some other Mozilla interface. ;)
23:40:39 <Mook_as> well, no protocol, just host/port
23:41:34 <flo-retina> clokep: how does "The host/port that caused a SSL/certificate error when connecting to it." sound to you?
23:41:52 <clokep> flo-retina: It even fits in 80 chars. ;)
23:42:14 <clokep> Which reminds me...
23:43:28 <clokep> Any other comments or should I attach a v6? :P
23:43:48 <flo-retina> I think that's it
23:44:06 <clokep> K. let me test it again.
23:44:25 <clokep> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/159650 is the interdiff though.
23:45:08 <flo-retina> ok :)
23:45:32 <flo-retina> I think I need to test the patches in that bug before they land, and that won't be tonight...
23:46:28 <clokep> That's fine. :)
23:46:33 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 2290 on bug 1100.
23:46:34 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2291 on bug 1100.
23:46:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors
23:55:29 <clokep> Bah I should fix that issue with the Twitter links showing the wrong length...