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00:00:25 <Mic> clokep: I think so. 00:01:43 <Mic> Try "Object - CSS Rules" in the right pane 00:02:30 <Mook_as> I'd recommend using style= attribute instead; the css rules thing can sometimes get really confused 00:03:22 <clokep> Mic: http://i.imgur.com/rsuy4CG.png a bit better? 00:03:30 <clokep> Mook_as: Yeah I ended up doing that and it worked OK. 00:06:34 <Mic> Yes, but test7 has a visible gradient while the other background tabs have not (well, test5 too, maybe). 00:06:59 <Mic> Maybe it's just for me because of a crappy screen though ;) 00:07:33 <clokep> Mic: I agree, they do. 00:08:49 <Mic> Good night! 00:09:09 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: No time to waste, let's go!) 00:10:29 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 00:21:43 --> jb has joined #instantbird 00:22:45 <-- Mook_as has quit (Quit: Mook_as) 00:36:13 <clokep> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode13:Brainstorming#Instantbird is filled in. 00:39:08 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested feedback from aleth@instantbird .org for attachment 2287 on bug 800. 00:39:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=800 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tab style for message notifications could be better. 00:59:11 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 01:00:18 --> jb has joined #instantbird 01:25:19 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 01:43:49 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 02:19:21 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 03:29:36 --> jb has joined #instantbird 03:36:25 <-- jb has quit (Connection reset by peer) 03:51:01 <instant-buildbot> build #814 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/814 03:52:42 --> jb has joined #instantbird 03:59:03 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 04:27:36 --> jb has joined #instantbird 04:33:34 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 04:42:50 <instant-buildbot> build #810 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/810 05:27:25 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: Mook) 05:32:45 <-- EionRobb has quit (Ping timeout) 06:10:22 <instant-buildbot> build #906 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/906 06:18:56 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 06:23:21 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 06:24:48 --> YH has joined #instantbird 06:32:38 --> jb has joined #instantbird 06:34:25 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 06:38:25 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 07:09:03 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Quit: FireFly_TB) 07:57:18 <-- YH has quit (Ping timeout) 08:15:39 <flo-retina> clokep: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/130319#m13 thanks! :) 08:32:49 --> jb has joined #instantbird 08:34:32 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 09:11:04 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 09:11:05 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 09:14:42 <flo-retina> apparently Growl has been removed *again* from mozilla-central 09:16:30 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 09:28:06 <Mic> Why? Did Apple not approve? :P 09:28:09 <Mic> scnr 09:37:32 <flo-retina> Mic: they took the opportunity to also remove libnotify support on Linux ;) 09:37:51 <flo-retina> "Remove native notification systems on desktop platforms." 09:37:55 <flo-retina> without rationale :-P 09:38:25 <flo-retina> someone asked, and the answer was "I removed Growl support because it does not support features needed to implement the spec. I also removed libnotify support because I can't find documentation about all the capabilities, so it's possible that libnotify could work but I just can't find it in the documentation." 09:41:23 <Mic> Do you have a bug number for mig? 09:41:59 <Mic> *me 09:43:20 <flo-retina> sure, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=782211 09:52:02 <Mic> Thanks 09:57:18 <-- gerard-majax_ has quit (Ping timeout) 10:03:48 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: No time to waste, let's go!) 10:04:09 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:04:10 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 10:08:33 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: No time to waste, let's go!) 10:08:45 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:08:46 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 10:09:14 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: No time to waste, let's go!) 10:09:18 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:09:18 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 10:11:48 <-- Mic has left #instantbird () 10:16:42 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: PM: Preparing frontal lobe for mem sleep) 10:17:02 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:17:02 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 10:17:04 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 10:20:09 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:20:10 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 10:20:48 <Mic> Requesting the icons from IRC contacts when they sign on works now :) 10:21:37 <Mic> I removed you from my contact list to spare you this for now ;) 10:23:50 <flo-retina> Mic: so does "works" mean you send an "AVATAR" message to everybody? 10:23:53 <clokep> Mic: You could just give me an updated version of the extension. ;) 10:26:37 <Mic> flo-retina: yes, once when the contact signs on at the moment (i.e. only for people that were added to the contact list). 10:35:33 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 10:35:59 <Mic> I wanted to trigger the request from the buddyIconFilename getter first, in case that there's no image yet, but that would have been way more complicated. 10:40:34 <clokep> Mic: Ah, getting buddy icons is synchronous, isn't it? 10:41:00 <Mic> Yes 10:41:22 <flo-retina> clokep: I think you can return "no icon", fetch the icon, and fire a notification once it's received 10:43:57 <clokep> flo-retina: Ah OK. That sounds like the "right" way to do it then. ;) 10:44:02 <clokep> But yes, more complicated. 10:44:14 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Quit: FireFly_TB) 10:45:59 <Mic> clokep: especially from an add-on. There's no nice way to override the getter. 10:46:59 <Mic> clokep: I updated the WIP extension in the bug. Let me know when I can add you to my contact list again :) 10:47:10 <clokep> Mic: Ah, I didn't consider that :( 10:47:31 --> jb has joined #instantbird 10:48:15 <Mic> flo-retina: the notification is automatically fired as soon as you set a value for buddyIconFilename. 10:48:42 <clokep> Mic: OK. 10:48:58 <clokep> (As in you can add me back.) 10:49:49 <Mic> OK 10:50:34 <clokep> (I even added an icon. ;)) 10:50:47 <Mic> Yes, there's one on your tooltip! :) 10:51:24 <clokep> I assume I'd have to remove you and re-add you to get one for you? 10:51:41 <Mic> Or reconnect or /ctcp Mic AVATAR 10:51:48 <clokep> I did the latter. :P 10:52:35 <Mic> Bye, have a nice day! 10:53:37 <Mic> clokep: remember that you'll annoy any IRC contact who hasn't support for this (=everyone, most likely) with these requests now.. 10:53:57 <clokep> Like flo? ;) 10:53:59 <Mic> Maybe I should add a checkbox in the prefs. 10:55:00 <clokep> Couldn't someone just disable it? 10:55:58 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 11:00:16 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 11:00:17 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 11:13:10 --> deltafalcon has joined #instantbird 11:23:41 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 11:24:32 --> jb has joined #instantbird 11:35:06 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 11:41:38 <aleth> Great UI https://twitter.com/ryan/status/313755123295854592/photo/1 11:48:04 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 11:59:01 <Mic> aleth: awesome. 12:06:34 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: %S) 12:06:38 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 12:06:38 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Quit: FireFly_TB) 12:06:38 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 12:06:42 <Mic> Someone scanned the web using a botnet (that's bad, tzz!) and made a nice animation with activity over the course of a day: http://internetcensus2012.github.com/InternetCensus2012/images/geovideo.gif 12:10:10 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 12:12:21 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: %S) 12:12:27 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 12:12:27 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 12:17:05 <Mic> aleth: did you set this "%S" quit message yourself or do we have a bug somewhere? http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/130319#m115 12:17:51 <aleth> Mic: I set it myself, just to see if something odd would happen. And then I forgot about it... 12:18:11 <Mic> :) 12:18:12 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Quit: FireFly_TB) 12:28:34 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org granted feedback for attachment 2287 on bug 800. 12:28:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=800 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tab style for message notifications could be better. 12:31:09 <-- deltafalcon has quit (Connection reset by peer) 12:34:12 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 12:34:12 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 12:35:59 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 12:35:59 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 12:37:18 <clokep_work> aleth: Btw in bug 800...if we're going to improve those gradients / colors, you should probably do it. :-D The colors I changed were fairly arbitrary...it's not something I hvae ne eye for. 12:37:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=800 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tab style for message notifications could be better. 12:38:07 <aleth> clokep_work: The last time I played with those colours I got a bit frustrated too :D 12:39:57 <aleth> It's easy to tell when they are "off", harder to get it right... Maybe I'll give it another go sometime 12:40:08 <clokep_work> :) 12:40:17 <clokep_work> I think I improved on yours a bit, but they could use a bit more TLC. 12:43:12 * flo-retina is adding his 2 cents in the bug 12:46:46 <-- Mic has quit (Input/output error) 12:48:35 <clokep_work> I think the switch from the text being a color to the tab being highlighted will be enough to get used to that it'll avoid confusion. 13:11:37 <-- jb has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:11:49 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: ｡â â¿ â｡) 13:19:37 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 13:21:15 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 13:21:40 --> jb has joined #instantbird 13:28:56 <-- jb has quit (Input/output error) 13:29:57 --> jb has joined #instantbird 13:32:31 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Quit: FireFly_TB) 13:33:02 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 13:38:11 <-- Kaishi has quit (Quit: Kaishi) 13:43:36 --> fasker has joined #instantbird 14:08:38 <-- mconley has quit (Ping timeout) 14:13:05 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 14:23:14 * flo-retina wonders if instantbird could be on http://mxr.mozilla.org/ 14:25:10 <flo-retina> not really useful if it goes into c-c of course :) 14:29:39 <clokep_work> Have we had any further thought of that happening? 14:31:04 <flo-retina> last time we discussed it, I thought it was blocked by the BIO/BMO merge :( 14:31:44 <clokep_work> Oh, I wasn't ever under that impression. 14:32:07 <flo-retina> I thought we were going to hg convert the whole history to have BMO bug numbers in the commit messages 14:32:27 <clokep_work> Ohhhh, I think we did say that. 14:48:13 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Quit: FireFly_TB) 14:53:40 --> Rainwave has joined #instantbird 14:54:04 <Rainwave> Hey folks, second time now I've gotten a nasty crash bug on startup that makes instantbird 1.3 unkillable. 14:54:25 <Rainwave> have to reboot my PC (logging off doesn't do anything) and no amount of retrying anything in IB helps. 14:54:40 <clokep_work> Rainwave: Did killing it in the task manager not work? 14:54:41 <Rainwave> IB automatically disables connecting to accounts but the lock just happens all over again 14:54:47 <Rainwave> clokep_work: Nope. Windows remain open. 14:54:51 <clokep_work> Did you just update? Or change anything? 14:54:54 <Rainwave> Nope. 14:55:00 <clokep_work> Did you try running in safe mode? 14:55:02 <Rainwave> Started a fresh profile a week ago, this time I used less accounts. 14:55:07 <Rainwave> Hold shift while starting? 14:55:22 <Rainwave> (or: "how do I start it in safe mode") 14:55:28 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 14:55:39 <clokep_work> Wait, does that work for some programs? :-S 14:55:47 <clokep_work> Rainwave: Let me look it up, one second. 14:55:48 <Rainwave> No idea, just a random guess. 14:56:18 <clokep_work> Rainwave: We install a "Instantbird (Safe mode)" shortcut in the start menu 14:56:30 <Rainwave> Hmm, it's not showing up 14:56:40 <clokep_work> Bah...Ctrl+Shift+W is not what I wanted... 14:56:56 <clokep_work> Rainwave: If yo're on Windows 7, make sure you go to "All programs" > "Instantbird" folder. 14:56:57 <Rainwave> I'm on win8, start menu ain't what it used to be 14:57:22 <clokep_work> Rainwave: I'm not on my Windows 8 machine right now, but you should be able to search for it. 14:57:44 <Rainwave> Yeah not seeing it. I'll reboot so I can try and use the commandline switch. brb. 14:57:49 <-- Rainwave has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 14:57:50 <clokep_work> Or you can run something like "C:\Program Files (x86)\Instantbird\instantbird.exe" -safe-mode on a command prompt / run menu. 14:58:00 <clokep_work> Reboot? (o_O) 15:00:22 --> Rainwave has joined #instantbird 15:00:32 <Rainwave> Well --help just started IB normally which didn't help things. 15:01:00 <clokep_work> Rainwave: I gave you the command to run above, it should be -safe-mode 15:01:08 <Rainwave> Ah-ha found iut 15:01:44 <Rainwave> Thanks. Safe mode on. Aaand... super hardlock 15:02:04 <clokep_work> :-/ I'm not really sure. 15:02:25 <Rainwave> Is there anything I can do? I've got a 2-second window before IB shits itself. 15:02:34 <Rainwave> Not sure if I can get to a log in that amount of time 15:02:59 <clokep_work> flo-retina: ^^ 15:03:03 <Rainwave> Other than that the only thing I can think of is try a nightly and cross my fingers? 15:03:25 <clokep_work> Rainwave: That might help, give me a minute to think (/ do some _work) 15:03:42 <Rainwave> The most bizarre part is how unkillable it is. Even logging off and on again doesn't work, I have to reboot my machine. 15:03:58 <Rainwave> (if I log off and on the window gets killed but the profile's .lock stays on and can't be deleted) 15:04:29 <clokep_work> That's really strange...and I'm really stumped by it starting to happen all of a sudden. :( 15:04:32 <Rainwave> okay, will reboot and try a nightly 15:04:34 <clokep_work> Did you try reinstalling tbw? 15:04:43 <Rainwave> Twice! I'm clearly doing something bizarre. 15:04:45 <flo-retina> are you sure there's no other instantbird process already running? 15:04:55 <Rainwave> flo-retina: Positive, I've only started 1 instance. 15:04:59 <flo-retina> starting with --help shouldn't "start normally", unless it's just focusing an existing instantbird process 15:05:10 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I think you need /? on Windows. 15:05:17 <flo-retina> clokep_work: really? 15:05:26 <Rainwave> None of those switches give me anything 15:05:41 <Rainwave> --safe-mode did give me safe mode though 15:05:43 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I thought so, but I could be mistaken. 15:05:46 <clokep_work> mconley: ping 15:05:55 <mconley> clokep_work: pong 15:05:57 <Rainwave> (some preferences weren't loaded) 15:06:33 <clokep_work> mconley: flo-retina wanted to ask if you were possible interested in co-mentoring adding FileLink to IM for GSoC? 15:06:41 <clokep_work> (You never answered my memoserv! :P) 15:07:18 <Rainwave> brb 15:07:22 <-- Rainwave has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 15:07:51 <mconley> clokep_work: in a meeting - will respond in 1hr 15:10:24 --> Rainwave has joined #instantbird 15:10:36 <Rainwave> Nope, nightly's just as broken. 15:10:44 <Rainwave> I can't keep rebuilding my profile. :( 15:12:17 <clokep_work> Rainwave: Wait, can you start from the beginning then? Was this happening with your old profile, so you created a new one and then it started happening again after ~ week. 15:12:25 <Rainwave> Yes. 15:12:45 <Rainwave> I've had my old profile since IB 1.0 15:12:54 <Rainwave> (and I still have it, just in a different directory) 15:13:04 <clokep_work> Yeah, we definitely haven't had any reports of this... 15:13:34 <Rainwave> I'd love to be able to help solve it in any way because having to consider configuring Pidgin again is making me shudder. 15:15:22 <clokep_work> Rainwave: Did you recently install anti-virus software or anything of that sort? 15:16:19 <Rainwave> Nope, I've always been on Microsoft Security Essentials through Win7 and Win8. 15:16:40 <clokep_work> Bah. 15:16:44 * clokep_work is out of ideas. :( 15:16:46 <Rainwave> Win8 upgrade happened the week of release - not recently, nothing's changed in the last week that should have affected the fresh profile. 15:16:59 <Rainwave> Profile cruft was something I considered, which is why I started fresh 15:17:05 <clokep_work> Rainwave: What accounts do you have? 15:17:10 <clokep_work> (What protocols / networks.) 15:17:16 <Rainwave> 2 GTalks and an IRC. 15:17:29 <Rainwave> My old profile had many, many more but I pared it to the minimum to see if I'd get a repeat. 15:17:57 <Rainwave> I did copy my old logs to the new profile - but... that shouldn't have any effect, should it? 15:18:26 <Rainwave> I'm struggling to think of something that would lock-up a safe mode instance after 1 or 2 seconds of IB being open. 15:18:58 <Rainwave> I'm using the minimalistic theme with smilies turned off. That's honestly about the only thing I do to IB to make it behave how I like it. 15:19:34 <clokep_work> We don't like iterate over logs or anything on start (as far as I know). So thta shouldn't matter. 15:21:16 <Rainwave> also that would have brought the profile down a long time ago 15:22:05 <Rainwave> No minidumps... 15:23:12 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 15:23:12 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 15:24:55 <Rainwave> http://i.imgur.com/5DODWIJ.png can't see anything out of the ordinary here outside of the leftover parent.lock file 15:25:03 <Rainwave> (just moved the log dir out) 15:30:58 <clokep_work> Bah I have that same guy ranting in #thunderbird again about not supporting autocommands, but refusing to file bugs. 15:31:09 <clokep_work> Rainwave: I'm sorry I don't have any more ideas. :( 15:31:23 <Rainwave> well one last try and then I give up 15:31:37 <aleth> Rainwave: Just to check - any add-ons? And does anything similar happen with Firefox for you? 15:31:48 <Rainwave> I've never had this with Firefox. 15:32:03 <aleth> (not that I know anything about Windows issues) 15:32:20 <aleth> clokep_work: Could it be something like that sound driver crash that happened a while back? 15:32:27 <aleth> Rainwave: Have you turned off sounds? 15:32:35 <Rainwave> aleth: I believe I have, yes. 15:32:45 <Rainwave> At the very worst Firefox has always been killable. (and in recent memory Firefox simply apologizes and restarts with my tabs) 15:33:08 <aleth> Rainwave: Right. What you are experiencing sounds... unheard of :( 15:33:44 <Rainwave> I really don't know what to tell you more than I already have. There isn't even enough time for me to open the error console before IB locks. 15:34:00 <aleth> If you start up with a completely empty profile (no accounts) does it still happen? 15:34:13 <Rainwave> I'd have to start a fresh profile or modify the sqlite db directly 15:34:17 <Rainwave> IB starts with no accounts connecting though 15:34:28 <Rainwave> It does that much automatically after a crash, though in this instance it's not helping 15:34:32 <Rainwave> We already tried safe mode as well 15:34:34 <aleth> If they aren't set to connect, there shouldn't be a problem 15:35:08 <Rainwave> too bad there's no strace for windows 15:36:04 <aleth> To test with a completely fresh profile without losing your old one, start instantbird with -P and then make a new one there. 15:36:20 <aleth> (-P brings up the profile manager) 15:36:36 <Rainwave> Okay. Last time I just wiped the profile.ini while keeping my old directory 15:36:55 <Rainwave> Well brb, this requires a reboot 15:37:01 <-- Rainwave has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 15:37:30 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 15:38:21 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Quit: FireFly_TB) 15:38:37 --> Rainwave has joined #instantbird 15:38:49 <Rainwave> jesus it's even happening on a newly created profile. 15:38:52 <Rainwave> this makes me wonder... 15:38:59 <Rainwave> gonna try something brb 15:39:03 <-- Rainwave has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 15:44:58 <clokep_work> aleth: Btw your name ended up as a possible mentor, it can be removed though if you are not interested. 15:47:14 --> Rainwave has joined #instantbird 15:47:34 <Rainwave> well there goes that idea 15:47:44 <Rainwave> but I do have a Process Monitor log of what IB is doing 15:47:56 <Rainwave> It's...... strace-ey 15:48:16 <Rainwave> The last thing Instantbird does is... hit up activate.adobe.com?! 15:48:36 <clokep_work> Rainwave: Hmm...sounds like you have a flash plug-in in it? 15:48:48 <Rainwave> I have Flash installed for Firefox 15:48:52 <Rainwave> But it sure never asked me about IB 15:49:10 <aleth> clokep_work: I'm OK with "possible mentor", I just can't say anything definite about this summer yet. 15:49:22 <-- Even has quit (Ping timeout) 15:49:57 <aleth> clokep_work: How would a flash plugin affect a clean profile? Where are they stored on win? 15:50:06 <Rainwave> brb rebooting and uninstalling Flash 15:50:10 <-- Rainwave has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 15:54:19 --> Rainwave has joined #instantbird 15:54:22 <Rainwave> Red herring 15:54:33 <flo-retina> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Community:SummerOfCode13#Instantbird (no more ":brainstorm" in the url ;)) 15:55:17 <Rainwave> I think it may have something to do with the fact that I have activate.adobe.com redirected to 127.0.0.1 so ProcessMon is trying to use that 15:55:19 <Rainwave> is my guess 15:56:10 <Rainwave> does Instantbird use SSDP? 15:56:49 <Rainwave> do you guys want this Process Mon dump so you can take a peek yourself or are we giving up and I have to find something else? :/ 15:57:09 --> Even has joined #instantbird 15:57:09 <clokep_work> aleth: Plug-ins are system wide, I think. 15:57:09 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 15:57:16 <Rainwave> I've even unplugged any extra hardware that might be plugged in/turned on (wifi, phone, and... oh, hmm..) 15:57:26 <Rainwave> nah my USB3 adapter shouldn't do it 15:57:37 <clokep_work> Rainwave: I have no idea what SSDP is. 15:57:39 <Rainwave> or my laptop dock, both were plugged in yesterday 15:57:46 <Rainwave> clokep_work: I think it's UPnP 15:58:27 <Rainwave> so I uninstalled IB, wiped my entire profile directory (backed up and ticked "delete all user data" on the uninstaller), reinstalled 1.3 from the website 15:58:36 <Rainwave> and it crashes within 2 seconds on a fresh install/profile. 15:58:57 <Rainwave> I am at a complete loss. 15:59:29 <Rainwave> If you guys want the strace-like log I've got I can provide that 16:02:15 <clokep_work> Rainwave: Sure, can you put it on pastebin.instantbird.org? 16:02:27 <clokep_work> Rainwave: It sounds like something changed on your machine. :( 16:03:02 <Rainwave> I'm on vacation, the only thing that could have possibly changed were any self-updating programs 16:03:30 <clokep_work> That's exactly the type of change I'm talking about. ;) 16:05:45 <Rainwave> I don't have much on here; can probably count those programs on 1 or 2 hands 16:06:49 <Rainwave> Windows itself, Flash, Instantbird, Firefox.... yup, running through my list of installed stuff those are the only self-updaters. 16:07:00 <Rainwave> can run through services.msc and config.exe to double check though 16:07:14 <clokep_work> And MS Security essentials. ;) 16:07:23 <Rainwave> That's an integrated part of Win8 16:07:32 <Rainwave> It's unremovable and just self-updates as part of Windows 16:07:34 <clokep_work> Meh, that's debatbale. 16:07:41 <clokep_work> But anyway, I don't want to debate that. 16:08:02 <Rainwave> Yes, that and I'm not removing it to see if that's the cause, since I've been running it since it was rebranded MSE. :) 16:08:13 <clokep_work> I really have no idea what else could be causing the issue. Possibly things like corrupt sectors, but I doubt that would happen after reinstalling. 16:08:24 <clokep_work> I wasn't going to ask you to remove it. 16:08:52 <Rainwave> Oh, I wasn't expecting that, just mentioning that I'm not willing to eliminate it as a candidate. :) 16:09:14 <Rainwave> Intel SSD Toolbox is reporting no errors 16:09:46 <Rainwave> and I have no funny I/O business going on (e.g. not TrueCrypting my profile or anything) 16:10:12 <Rainwave> hmm the Process Monitor output is a proprietary file format, can't attach it to pastebin.instantbird.com 16:10:19 <Rainwave> it's got a rather large volume of info 16:10:26 <Rainwave> create a bug? 16:10:37 <clokep_work> Ah, I thought you were just looking at a text file. 16:10:43 <clokep_work> You could create a bug, yes. 16:10:45 <Rainwave> it might be exportable as that 16:10:55 <Rainwave> but it's much nicer viewed through the program : 16:10:56 <Rainwave> :) 16:12:22 <clokep_work> Looks like the top two Windows crashers are me. :( And it's happening every shutdown on one of my machines. 16:12:37 <Rainwave> Hah, I used to get that. It magically fixed itself one day. 16:12:42 <Rainwave> I don't get any crash reports btw 16:12:47 <Rainwave> The windows just freeze open 16:13:06 <Rainwave> I've submitted crash reports to Microsoft but nothing comes of them 16:13:27 <Rainwave> (not that I expect anything to, but usually it at least pops up a windows saying "sorry, your shit is fucked and we're clueless") 16:13:27 <clokep_work> We look at our crash reports. 16:13:39 <Rainwave> Oh? 16:13:58 <Rainwave> "Windows is checking for a solution to this problem..." is what I get in Win8 16:14:06 <Rainwave> And then that window disappears and I see nothing 16:14:30 <Rainwave> I don't know if that winds up with you or not at that point 16:14:49 <clokep_work> No. 16:14:57 <clokep_work> We get the ones that show the Mozilla crash reporter. 16:15:00 <Rainwave> bAhh. 16:15:14 <Rainwave> -b. Yeah I don't get that window. 16:17:33 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:18:11 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 16:18:11 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 16:18:28 <clokep_work> Rainwave: You could try running with the -console flag? 16:18:39 <Rainwave> will do on next reboot 16:19:41 <Rainwave> I'll pipe it to a text file since I don't want to have to do any more reboots, it's 1:20am where I am and I'd really like some sleep :) 16:21:05 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1901 filed by rmcauley@rainwave.cc. 16:21:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1901 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Fresh install, fresh profile, instant bizarre hardlock 16:21:47 <Rainwave> brb 16:21:51 <-- Rainwave has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 16:27:20 --> Rainwave has joined #instantbird 16:27:27 <Rainwave> Did you say that was -console? 16:27:48 <Rainwave> Single hyphen? 16:27:50 <flo-retina> so I would suspect either broken drivers (sound or video drivers), or faulty hardware :-S 16:32:57 <-- Rainwave has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 16:33:45 <clokep_work> Rainwave: Yes. single hyphen. 16:35:39 --> Rainwave has joined #instantbird 16:35:46 <Rainwave> stupid hotel internet. -console right? 16:35:56 <Rainwave> didn't seem to do anything when I tried it 16:36:18 <clokep_work> -console yes. 16:36:30 <Rainwave> Bupkis 16:36:43 <Rainwave> No extra window or anything 16:37:05 <Rainwave> How about that, Pidgin crashes too 16:37:07 <Rainwave> Libpurple issue? 16:37:21 <Rainwave> (and this is a fresh Pidgin install with a fresh profile) 16:37:24 <clokep_work> Most likely a driver or hardware issue as flo-retina suggested. 16:37:39 <Rainwave> Well it's common across Pidgin and IB, which sucks because now what options do I have 16:37:56 <clokep_work> Fix your messed up driver or hardware? ;) 16:37:58 <Rainwave> Yup Pidgin ain't closin' either. 16:38:26 <clokep_work> Could be network driver maybe? 16:38:38 <clokep_work> Did you look through the list of windows updates to see what's been done recently? 16:39:19 <Rainwave> Did that right now - February 14th was the last driver update 16:39:34 <Rainwave> Only updates in the last week were MSE definition updates 16:39:47 <Rainwave> Before that, some security updates. 16:42:53 <Rainwave> MSE quick scan comes up blank 16:44:15 <flo-retina> Rainwave: so you said you have only gtalk and IRC accounts in your profile? 16:44:48 <flo-retina> we don't load libpurple if there's no libpurple-based account and the full list of protocols isn't requested (it's requested when the account wizard is shown) 16:48:01 <-- Rainwave has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 16:49:21 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 16:53:29 <-- clokep_work has quit (Input/output error) 16:53:38 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 16:53:38 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 16:55:32 <flo-retina> btw, if we really want to test if something is a libpurple issue, an easy way to test is to just delete the components/purplexpcom.dll file ;) 17:02:22 <mconley> clokep_work: hey! 17:02:28 <mconley> clokep_work: I'm bad at memoserv 17:03:07 <mconley> clokep_work: so, co-mentoring adding Filelink to IM for TB? I'd be up for that - though I'm probably already going to be mentoring a project 17:03:16 <mconley> clokep_work: but I'm happy to consult. :) 17:05:20 <flo-retina> mconley: I'm probably the other possible mentor for that project, and I'm also likely to already be mentoring another project 17:05:38 <mconley> then we'll both consult 17:05:40 <mconley> happy to do that 17:05:41 <mconley> :) 17:05:44 <flo-retina> mconley: although we really shouldn't bother too much about how many projects each of us is mentoring until we actually review the student applications 17:05:51 <mconley> true say 17:05:58 <mconley> anyhow, you have my sword (for consulting) 17:06:03 <flo-retina> ok, cool :) 17:06:04 <clokep_work> mconley: Excellent. :) 17:06:08 <flo-retina> thanks 17:06:22 <clokep_work> mconley: Yeah, and don't worry. Memoserv sucks...I sitll want to make it better... 17:06:52 <mconley> it's a great idea in theory 17:07:05 <flo-retina> clokep_work: mconley may not be using Instantbird for IRC though ;) 17:07:13 <clokep_work> Nah, he uses LimeChat IIRC. 17:07:21 <clokep_work> Yeah. 17:07:22 <mconley> I tried IB for a week as you suggested 17:07:35 <mconley> and gave you lots of feedback. :) I just am too used to LimeChat 17:07:47 <mconley> plus, I couldn't get it to connect to my bip bouncer 17:08:10 <clokep_work> Bouncers...bleh. 17:08:13 <Mook_as> hmm. screen shot looks like thunderbird's IRC UI :p 17:08:15 * flo-retina doesn't remember the details :( 17:09:26 <clokep_work> mconley: Yeah, fair enough. I agree the idea of memoserv is cool, but in practice it's kind of meh. Like the rest of IRC. ;) 17:09:42 <mconley> c'est la vie 17:09:50 <mconley> :D 17:10:41 * flo-retina wonders if a French translation of "c'est la vie" should be composed only of English words ;) 17:30:17 <mconley> :D 17:31:13 <aleth> or maybe something unrelated in Italian... ;) 17:46:38 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: ｡â â¿ â｡) 17:46:58 <-- gerard-majax_ has quit (Ping timeout) 17:49:37 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 18:10:37 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 18:25:14 <dew> so the new notifcation api landed in m-c! 18:25:26 <dew> notification* 18:28:59 --> mikk_s has joined #instantbird 18:34:49 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 18:34:49 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 18:35:37 <-- dew has quit (Ping timeout) 18:43:30 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 18:51:51 --> dew has joined #instantbird 18:53:08 <clokep_work> dew: Is that something we're excited about? :P 18:57:32 <-- fasker has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 19:06:11 <Mook_as> hmm. flo-retina, you have rather strong opinions on mozmill, right? anything on marionette? 19:06:27 <flo-retina> I haven't tried marionette yet 19:07:32 <Mook_as> okay. been thinking about using it, though so far it looks very... firefox-specific 19:10:38 <-- igorko has quit (Client exited) 19:15:27 <-- mikk_s has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 19:19:50 <-- Zatara75 has quit (Ping timeout) 19:32:17 <dew> yes I was excited about that clokep_work! 19:32:34 <dew> I can probably convert someone from chrome when they are implemented 19:32:49 <dew> and I'm sure they would be nice in Instantbird too ;) 19:36:51 * clokep_work shrugs. 19:36:58 <clokep_work> I prefer native stuff. 19:38:37 <clokep_work> But I don't use notifications on Instantbird so. ;) 19:56:51 <dew> well this will be cross platform :) 19:57:20 <dew> I liked what I saw with the new Firefox download manager 19:57:24 --> unghost has joined #instantbird 19:59:29 <dew> getting objective criticism out of people is like pulling teeth 20:01:10 <clokep_work> Yup. :) 20:10:47 <dew> I feel like talking about web browsers is like bringing up politics and religion at the same time 20:18:07 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 20:21:09 <clokep_work> Yeah...funny that, isn't it? 20:24:40 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 20:29:57 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: PM: Preparing frontal lobe for mem sleep) 20:31:53 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 20:32:06 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 20:43:52 <-- rosonline has quit (Client exited) 20:47:02 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 20:51:17 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 21:09:43 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 21:13:50 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 21:13:50 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 21:44:37 <-- unghost has quit (Input/output error) 21:48:09 --> deltafalcon has joined #instantbird 21:49:45 <-- deltafalcon has quit (Connection reset by peer) 22:17:49 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 22:24:41 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 1.1.19/2010030105]) 22:57:24 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 2276 on bug 677. 22:57:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677 nor, --, 1.4, clokep, RESO FIXED, Reopen Twitter stream when "track" preference changes 23:01:19 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2286 on bug 1890. 23:01:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1890 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Update Twitter to API v1.1 23:07:40 <clokep> flo-retina: That good enough? ;) 23:08:31 <flo-retina> :) 23:08:39 <flo-retina> would be nice to have an automated test for that btw 23:08:50 <clokep> flo-retina: And actually post every time? :-S 23:08:57 <flo-retina> nah 23:09:03 <flo-retina> just check that the oauth signature is correct 23:09:20 <clokep> The code to generate that string btw: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/159649 23:09:35 <flo-retina> we would need to fake a few values sent to us by the twitter server, and use a fixed timestamp, so that we can compare to a fixed signature 23:10:14 <flo-retina> that code would be better in a comment in the bug than on a pastebin that will expire ;) 23:10:45 <flo-retina> clokep: I'm looking at bug 1100 23:10:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors 23:11:05 <flo-retina> I don't understand what you've done exactly with the parameters, but I'm pretty sure there are still mismatched types there 23:11:52 <clokep> flo-retina: Maybe, which parameter? 23:12:30 <flo-retina> lots of aStatus parameters that are now actually aIsSslError but haven't been renamed 23:19:18 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 2285 on bug 1100. 23:19:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors 23:19:35 <clokep> flo-retina: Yeah, I just didn't rename them. 23:19:55 <flo-retina> right, it's obvious now. :) 23:22:30 <clokep> Yeah, I thought it had some duplication but wasn't sure if I should make a new variable or not. :) 23:23:14 <flo-retina> it's only a coding style thing as you don't seem to be crossing xpconnect there 23:29:58 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2290 on bug 1100. 23:30:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors 23:30:06 <clokep> Yeah, I checked pretty extensively for that. :) 23:30:18 <clokep> Sorry for not renaming them...I guess after looking at the code a lot I internalized what they were. 23:33:04 <flo-retina> the isSelfSigned still cannot fit on the 80 char same line? 23:33:37 <clokep> :( You're right. It does now. :( Sorry. 23:33:50 <flo-retina> (and even if it didn't, you forgot to re-align it ;)) 23:34:17 <clokep> :-[ 23:34:46 <flo-retina> "The target site that a SSL/certificate error returned." doesn't really explain what "target site" means ;) 23:35:11 <clokep> Ah, well you assume I really know what it means. ;) 23:35:20 <EionRobb> 'target site' is where you send the ICBM 23:35:30 <flo-retina> "// A nsISSLStatus object from an SSL/certificate error on connection." doesn't seem accurate either 23:36:05 <flo-retina> as it will always be null for ssl errors 23:36:17 <clokep> Yes, you're right. Copy & paste bit me there. 23:36:27 <clokep> I'm unsure how else to describe the target site one. :-/ 23:36:47 <flo-retina> what about "// A nsISSLStatus instance giving details about the certificate error."? 23:36:59 <clokep> " The Site name that was used to open the current connection." is what MDN says abou tit... 23:37:32 <clokep> Is that reasonable ^. 23:37:42 <clokep> Or should I just hard code "EionRobb" so all the ICBMs hit him? 23:37:47 <EionRobb> \o/ 23:37:48 <flo-retina> no, MDN is full of non sense that forces you to go read the source code of what you are calling ;) 23:38:14 <Mook_as> well, in this case it's from the idl :D 23:38:27 <clokep> flo-retina: Well "// The site return by a SSL/certificate error." is what I have now for that... 23:39:00 <flo-retina> Mook_as: and you went to find the source idl to determine that ;) 23:39:09 <Mook_as> flo-retina: hah, true 23:39:23 <Mook_as> (it sounds like it's the host/port that was being connected to that cause the error) 23:39:24 <flo-retina> :-P 23:39:31 <flo-retina> Mook_as: I think so 23:39:41 <clokep> It is, yes. 23:39:43 <flo-retina> isn't that called the "prepath" in URL stuff? 23:39:59 <clokep> Pretty much I don't care what it is, I just feed it to some other Mozilla interface. ;) 23:40:39 <Mook_as> well, no protocol, just host/port 23:41:34 <flo-retina> clokep: how does "The host/port that caused a SSL/certificate error when connecting to it." sound to you? 23:41:52 <clokep> flo-retina: It even fits in 80 chars. ;) 23:42:14 <clokep> Which reminds me... 23:43:28 <clokep> Any other comments or should I attach a v6? :P 23:43:48 <flo-retina> I think that's it 23:44:06 <clokep> K. let me test it again. 23:44:25 <clokep> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/159650 is the interdiff though. 23:45:08 <flo-retina> ok :) 23:45:32 <flo-retina> I think I need to test the patches in that bug before they land, and that won't be tonight... 23:46:28 <clokep> That's fine. :) 23:46:33 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 2290 on bug 1100. 23:46:34 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2291 on bug 1100. 23:46:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors 23:55:29 <clokep> Bah I should fix that issue with the Twitter links showing the wrong length...