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03:14:06 <spiffytech> How easy would it be for me to write an extension that renders the messages from one particular nick in one particular chatroom, in HTML? Alternatively, how likely is it I could get someone to write this for me ;) 
03:14:07 <spiffytech> I see on the wiki that making a Hello World extension looks simple enough, but I'm not familiar enough with XUL and Instantbird's use of it to know how easy the "render this message as HTML" part is.
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04:32:42 <instant-buildbot> build #797 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/797
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05:38:55 <flo-retina> spiffytech: what do you mean with "render the messages in HTML"? Do you just want the application to behave like if the value of the preference "Content->Formattings->Display formattings of incoming messages" was different for messages of a specified nick?
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10:56:35 * aleth hopes the 3 people still using the Latex add-on v1.0 will notice they can update
10:57:34 <Mic> I should really review your add-on :(
10:58:11 <aleth> Mic: no worries... it's bigger than the usual after all ;)
10:59:20 <aleth> It may be more convenient to browse the source here, if you haven't already seen it https://bitbucket.org/aleth/mathjax-addon/src
10:59:54 <Mic> Thanks, I hadn't!
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11:05:28 <Mic> Is there a way to DOM-inspect tooltips?
11:06:10 <aleth> I didn't find one last time I would have liked to
11:07:51 <aleth> Mic: For the tooltip add-on, how about showing the latest activity only if there are unread messages? And maybe another entry for "Last ping" if there was one? ;)
11:08:11 <Mic> http://i.imgur.com/BxR61yJ.png
11:08:27 <aleth> Actually the last suggestion makes no sense as pings reopen the conv anyway
11:08:41 <Mic> That's what it currently looks like.
11:08:53 <aleth> If you only show unread messages you'll never show the unread ruler ;)
11:09:15 <aleth> (I hope)
11:09:21 <Mic> Unread ruler between read and unread messages, 3 messages shown (might bebetter to have maybe.. 5 or 6), truncated nick names if they're too long.
11:09:38 <aleth> Anyway, looks great already :)
11:10:21 <Mic> Adding nick colors was a good idea. It made things much more readable.
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11:21:37 <clokep> Neat. :)
11:24:46 <clokep> aleth: I might know a couple of people that are on old versions of MathJax. I'll see if I can get them to update.
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11:41:19 <aleth> clokep: Thanks! Most noticeable change is probably the context menu works without crashing IB ;)
11:41:29 <clokep> :)
11:41:33 <clokep> And you can disable $..$ ;)
11:41:49 <aleth> Yeah, lots of little fixes like that.
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13:37:05 <clokep_work> flo: You don't have an iPhone/iPad at all, right?
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14:50:28 <spiffytech> flo-retina: At work we have a bot that dumps stuff like this ( http://hastebin.com/bokopevelu.html ) into the chatroom. HipChat's own client (it's a HipChat bot) shows that like this ( http://hastebin.com/qobalefuje.vhdl ), while XMPP clients connecting to their service (including Instantbird) just see the unrendered HTML text. 
14:50:29 <spiffytech> I want Instantbird to show it like the second paste, but it's probably a bad idea to render /everyone's/ messages as if they're HTML content. 
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19:39:56 * Mic doesn't know a nice solution regarding spiffytech's problem.
19:45:42 <Mic> Enabling permissive mode (+ images) when such a message is received and restoring the previous setting is hackish :(
19:48:07 <Mic> Overlaying convbrowser.xml's displayMessage-method with one that doesn't call cleanupImMarkup for messages from this sender would duplicate some code and doesn't sound much better either.
19:52:00 <clokep_work> Maybe I'm confused...but can't you send HTML over XMPP? :-S
19:52:37 <Mic> clokep_work: our content filter will remove it.
19:52:52 <Mic> At least something like the included image.
19:53:46 <clokep_work> Ah, I didn't realize it had an include image and such.
19:53:50 <clokep_work> We shoudl render the links properly?
19:54:06 <Mic> I think so.
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19:57:30 <spiffytech> Showing inline images was another thing I'd hoped to write an extension for, but it sounds like that's gonna be a no-go, eh?
19:58:46 <Mic> spiffytech: I'm planning to create a content-preview extension for ages now :)
19:59:12 <spiffytech> Sweet
19:59:42 <spiffytech> Does the extension API give me control over tabbing out nicks?
20:00:01 <Mic> Rather "sad" that I didn't make it yet :(
20:00:13 <Mic> What do you mean by "tabbing out nicks"?
20:02:06 <spiffytech> Again with the HipChat service, the HipChat client sets your nick to "First Last", but the native client does tab completion on nicks a "@FirstLast", and only highlights on that format. So I want to write an extension that I program with which of my coworkers are using the HipChat native client, and have it use the "@FirstLast" format when completing their nicks, and the normal format for everyone else.
20:05:38 <Mic> You're saying that they need to be mentioned with a prepended @ because HipChat won't notify them/highlight the nick otherwise?
20:06:07 <spiffytech> Yep, prepended '@' and no space in the nick.
20:06:56 <Mic> Which protocol is HipChat using?
20:07:00 <spiffytech> XMPP
20:07:05 <Mic> Ah, OK.
20:07:26 <Mic> I think you mentioned this before...
20:07:39 <Mic> So nicks on XMPP can contain spaces? I didn't know that!
20:07:53 <Mic> How do we handle this with completion, aleth?
20:07:54 <spiffytech> Me either, until work moved to HipChat :)
20:08:49 <spiffytech> Awesomely, completion of a nick with spaces works fine, the full nick gets stuck in the right place, with the commas and colon and everything.
20:09:11 <Mic> That's cool :)
20:09:52 <Mic> Our completion code isn't really extensible at the moment if I'm not mistaken :(
20:10:22 <spiffytech> Oh, sadface. Not surprised, though, no reason someone would think to do that.
20:10:39 <Mic> There are plans to move it to a module and make it extensible (we want to complete other things, like channel/chatroom names for example) but that's not happening yet.
20:10:41 <spiffytech> Perhaps there's a way for me to do find/replace on a message at send time?
20:11:07 <Mic> Good idea! I think yes :)
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20:11:13 <spiffytech> Great!
20:15:16 <Mic> There's an example extension that shows how to encode a message before sending it (and how to decode it before displaying it). Should be OK to see how it works.
20:15:44 <spiffytech> Cool, I'll start with that. Thanks!
20:17:14 <Mic> https://hg.instantbird.org/addons/file/9abdd2e90a8b/rot13/bootstrap.js
20:18:24 <Mic> No, that's overly complicated.
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20:27:59 <Mic> Maybe start from here: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/153778
20:28:43 <Mic> It's *absolutely* untested. I removed what I thought wasn't necessary from the file I linked to. It might or might not be correct.
20:30:21 <Mic> If it's fine, all you'll need to do is adding your code to replace the nicks in "replaceNicks()" and create an install manifest for the extension.
20:30:57 <spiffytech> Excelleng! It's a fine starting point, and I can add stuff back in from the original example if it doesn't work right away.
20:31:01 <spiffytech> Thanks a bunch!
20:31:12 <Mic> There's a trailing comma in line 23, you'll need to remove it
20:31:51 <spiffytech> Got it
20:40:13 <Mic> If you wait a moment, I'll check if it works.
20:42:04 <Mic> Let's see
20:42:49 <Mic> hmm
20:43:56 <Mic> Seems to work with new conversations but doesn't attach to existing conversation. Not a big deal, imo
20:44:15 <Mic> *conversations.
20:45:07 <Mic> :)
20:45:31 <spiffytech> Sweet, thanks
20:48:43 <Mic> You know enough about js/Mozilla extensions to finish this?
20:49:56 <spiffytech> I know nothing about Mozilla extensions, but enough about JS, and I can probably piece together the rest from the docs.
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20:52:54 <Mic> Here's an install.rdf manifest, that's the other file you'll need to package it into an extension (using a zip-program).
20:52:55 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/153794
20:53:39 <Mic> You'll want to replace the id, name, creator and version fields most likely.
20:54:00 <spiffytech> Do that, stick the two files in a zip, and I'm all set?
20:54:06 <Mic> yep
20:54:12 <spiffytech> Cool, thanks
20:54:50 <Mic> You might need to change the maxVersion number one day to keep it compatible with future versions of IB.
20:55:29 <spiffytech> OK
20:57:13 <clokep_work> And rename the zip to xpi
20:57:52 <Mic> clokep_work: it will work even with .zip as file extension.
20:58:02 <Mic> At least when dragging/dropping it to the add-on manager.
20:59:35 <Mic> spiffytech: let me know when you got it working :) Would it be OK if I tweet about it, advertising IB and its extensibility?
20:59:49 <spiffytech> Sure
21:00:23 <spiffytech> I'll flesh out that function when I get off work in a couple hours, and let you know. 
21:02:22 <Mic> Sure, have a nice day and good luck with it :)
21:07:10 <Mic> Might be nice to have a message modifier add-on that allows to replace things in messages before sending them.
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21:33:09 <flo-retina> good evening :)
21:33:13 * flo-retina is exhausted
21:34:04 <flo-retina> spent the day in the London office for a webrtc presentation this morning, and meetings this afternoon
21:34:46 <clokep_work> Did they go well at least?
21:37:46 <Mic> Are you still at London or did you go there and back again the same day?
21:38:34 <flo-retina> Mic: round trip in the same day, I'm at home
21:38:59 <flo-retina> clokep_work: yes, I think it's been productive
21:49:04 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Excellent. :)
21:49:14 <clokep_work> I'm glad it went well!
21:49:27 <clokep_work> Was this a demo for a partner?
21:49:30 <flo-retina> no
21:50:19 <flo-retina> the Firefox mobile (android) team had a work week, so I gave them a presentation of webrtc (similar to what I did at fosdem) and some demos
21:50:42 <flo-retina> we want to raise awareness within Mozilla of what webrtc is, and explain what we are preparing
21:50:57 <flo-retina> it's quite different to read about these technologies or to actually seem them working
21:52:37 <flo-retina> spiffytech: http://hastebin.com/qobalefuje.vhdl just redirects me to the homepage
21:52:49 <clokep_work> Me too.
21:54:59 <spiffytech> flo-retina:  Oh, I'll bet the paste expired. Here it is again: http://hastebin.com/mejiselobu.vhdl
21:55:38 <clokep_work> Anyone have an image sharing site besides imgur?
21:55:47 <Mook_as> minus? yfrog?
21:56:29 <flo-retina> spiffytech: can you show us a debug log of this?
21:56:31 <Mook_as> interesting, http://hastebin.com/raw/mejiselobu shows things
21:56:37 <flo-retina> spiffytech: would be nice to see what's actually received
21:56:38 <Mook_as> but not the given link...
21:56:44 <clokep_work> Mic: Thanks to Mook_as and the guys in #komodo http://min.us/lbf8Zg1sB93aRZ
21:57:49 <flo-retina> clokep_work: do you really use Simple?
21:57:51 <Mook_as> hmm ,"the latest" -> "is here..." isn't quite right
21:58:13 <Mic> Mook_as: yes, but this happens at the moment :(
21:58:42 <flo-retina> clokep_work: that conversation looks awfully ugly to me, to the point that I'm not even sure of where to start to clean it up. I guess I should try to dogfood on Windows for a week or two so that it upsets me enough that I do some CSS hacking there...
21:59:12 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I'm in a remote desktop session right now, so that's part of why it looks really ugly.
21:59:28 <flo-retina> clokep_work: how does that affect things?
21:59:31 <clokep_work> (The colors are all funky and Windows looks bad.)
21:59:49 <clokep_work> Also everything in that conversation is context messages, so it is slightly greyed out.
21:59:53 <clokep_work> And yes, I really use simple at work.
22:00:28 <flo-retina> clokep_work: the ugliness I care about isn't related to what's inside the conv browser.
22:00:34 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I guess mostly just the *Window* looks bad.
22:00:38 <clokep_work> Yeah, sorry. I misunderstood at first.
22:01:05 <flo-retina> the borders of the participant list that aren't the same color as the border of the textbox and convbrowser is wrong
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22:01:13 <flo-retina> the 2 splitters are 2 bigs.
22:01:30 <flo-retina> the grippy in the participant list splitter looks like it's 1998 again
22:01:47 <flo-retina> the background behind the tab bar is wrong
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22:02:05 <flo-retina> the top of the participant list with the "Participants" word in bold is horrible
22:02:41 <Mic> -'with the "Participants" word in bold'
22:02:42 <Mic> :P
22:02:48 <flo-retina> I guess I may just be too sensitive to visual noise (I spent a lot of time getting rid of all the margins and borders that were pointless on the Mac theme)
22:03:00 <flo-retina> Mic: yeah
22:03:07 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Possibly, it might be more of that I don't notice that stuff.
22:03:21 <flo-retina> clokep_work: definitely not your fault :)
22:03:23 <Mic> I've hidden the participant number for month now and I never missed anything.
22:03:38 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I'm just saying that I wouldn't want to use a client that looks like that, and it may be what most our users see :(
22:04:36 <Mic> Wasn't it that the border-color of the participant list is not changable without breaking something else?
22:04:37 <flo-retina> now that I have a decent windows machine I may be able to dogfood and 'fix' that
22:05:18 <flo-retina> Mic: well... I think the issue is that the border of the participant list is the correct one for the theme to look 'native' on Windows XP
22:05:29 <flo-retina> and all other borders are supposed to be of the same color
22:06:32 <flo-retina> the tabs don't look great either
22:06:33 <Mic> I don't think the former is true but the latter definitely, yes.
22:07:07 <flo-retina> maybe we should wait for Australis to finally land for Firefox, port it, and take that as an opportunity to refresh the appearance
22:07:15 <Mic> flo-retina++
22:07:46 <Mic> aleth, could we get "++" as option for tab completion? ;)
22:08:08 <flo-retina> Mic: what would you type?
22:08:39 <Mic> No, I was not serious.
22:08:45 <flo-retina> Mic: "flo<tab>++" would get rid of the ": "?
22:09:13 <flo-retina> or just "flo++" with "++" behind handled as a completion 'key'?
22:09:33 <clokep_work> Don't forget --.
22:09:34 <flo-retina> Mic: could still be a valid bug to file on April 1st (that's coming soon!)
22:10:06 <Mic> bbl
22:11:52 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1888 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
22:11:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1888 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, New messages not displayed after detaching and reattaching a conversation tab
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22:12:33 <flo-retina> don't want to have this on my mind any more :)
22:18:01 <Mook_as> flo-retina: http://preview.tinyurl.com/czqkvk8
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22:43:26 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Might want to look @ #maildev.
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22:48:56 <Mic> They've got a SIP Firefox extension, at least.
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22:49:40 <Mic> Sorry, wrong channel.
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23:04:46 <spiffytech> flo-retina: The only console output that happens on those messages is: nsBuiltinDecoderStateMachine::RunStateMachine queueing nsBuiltinDecoder::PlaybackEnded
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23:06:32 <spiffytech> There's something in the error console, hold on lemme grab it
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23:14:57 <spiffytech> flo-retina: My computer has decided that it no longer wishes to let Instantbird interact with the clipboard, so you get a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/Cjo7omM.png
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23:26:07 <Mic> spiffytech: are you using a nightly build?
23:26:36 <Mic> If yes, you can copy the debug log of an account from the context menu in the account manager.
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23:27:18 <Mic> It could contain personal/sensitive information, so you might not want to post it publicly.
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23:44:29 <flo-retina> spiffytech: the debug log I'm interested in is the one copied from the account manager, as Mic said
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