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16:24:53 <-- Kaishi has quit (Ping timeout) 16:30:21 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 16:34:01 <dew> I read the first post of your link 16:39:05 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 16:39:31 <clokep> Ah. 16:40:02 <clokep> It's not too complicated...my major point was that we have that code in imXPCOMUtils, which it seems we could eventually get rid of. :) 16:46:03 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 16:46:04 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 16:49:10 --> mikk_s has joined #instantbird 16:49:22 <-- mikk_s has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:19:38 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 17:19:38 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 17:20:25 <Mic> clokep: I wanted to have a little chat about it so I could show something in a screenshot ;) 17:20:38 <Mic> Unfortunately I broke it again and haven't fixed it yet... 17:30:09 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 17:30:10 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 17:34:01 <flo-retina> why do I have a system message saying "Channel mode +ntr set by gravel.mozilla.org." 5 seconds after "Mode +oq for flo-retina set by ChanServ." 17:34:23 <flo-retina> that system message is already of limited value, but having it several seconds later makes it "surprising" 17:48:43 <-- Mic has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:49:11 <clokep> Mic: Ah, I see. :( Sorry I had left by the time you said that. 17:49:29 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 17:49:29 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 17:49:41 <clokep> flo-retina: They're always separate messages. 17:50:06 <clokep> And I thinkw e all agree they're not really useful messages. 17:50:09 <flo-retina> why is that message useful? 17:50:20 <flo-retina> heh, not typing quickly enough :) 17:51:12 <clokep> Why is which message useful? 17:51:16 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: No time to waste, let's go!) 17:51:22 <flo-retina> the channel mode 17:51:35 <clokep> We request it on join so we know whether the topic, etc. can be changed. 17:51:49 <clokep> I think we show it in case the user requsts it. 17:52:00 <clokep> We could probably not show it when we request it automatically. 17:52:22 <flo-retina> ah, so the user could actually request it by the /mode command later 17:52:28 <clokep> Yes. 17:52:29 <flo-retina> yeah, we shouldn't show it automatically then 17:53:00 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 17:53:00 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 17:53:02 <clokep> (I think that was the thought process at least.) 17:53:11 <clokep> Personally I dislike ever showing the mode in system messages... 17:53:32 <clokep> I think I'd rather it be in the tooltip or something. 17:54:04 <flo-retina> would be nice if it could be more readable than "+ntr" which is completely meaningless to me 17:54:47 <flo-retina> "This channel is password protected" could make sense for example 17:55:03 <flo-retina> (in the tooltip I mean) 17:55:17 <clokep> Yes, we have bugs about this. 17:55:24 <flo-retina> :) 17:55:51 <clokep> flo-retina: bug 1420 17:55:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1420 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Improve mode system messages 17:56:03 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 17:56:05 <clokep> Feel free to CC yourself. ;) 17:56:28 <flo-retina> not really useful on bio bugs ;) 17:56:37 <Mic> Speaking of tooltips: http://i.imgur.com/RSkBTkS.png :) 17:56:59 <clokep> Mic: What is that choosing to show? 17:57:06 <clokep> All unread messages? The last n? The last n unread messages? 17:57:36 <flo-retina> Mic: shouldn't that tooltip also say "Unread messages: N" "Unread messages mentioning you: n" ? 17:58:33 <Mic> clokep: the latest three (customizable) messages, so you get an idea what's currently going on in a channel 17:58:59 <flo-retina> Mic: are the messages converted to plain text? (if they contain HTML formattings) 17:59:07 <Mic> flo-retina: yes. 17:59:09 <flo-retina> :) 17:59:48 <Mic> flo-retina: this is only on tooltips of conversations on hold and these have the unread counters already. 17:59:50 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 18:00:25 <flo-retina> Mic: my point was that the meaning of the red and blue numbers may not be immediately obvious, and it could be nice to explain in the tooltip, for discoverability 18:00:29 <Mic> I expected it to work for tabs too but it doesn't. I haven't looked into this yet. 18:01:25 <clokep> Mic: I'm still confused by what that means ("customizable"? YOu just mean that three is not hard coded?) 18:02:38 <flo-retina> clokep: my guess is that means it's in about:config 18:02:52 <Mic> It's hard coded but not so hard coded that you couldn't change it (currently read from a field in an object that's exported from a module). I want to add it to the add-on options, too. 18:08:01 <Mic> Extending the tooltips isn't really fun at the moment. Maybe a helper module would be nice where you could register callbacks that are run when the tooltip is updated... 18:08:26 <clokep> Is this something we'd want in core btw? 18:09:13 <Mic> I'm not even sure if you could have two add-ons extending the tooltips at the moment... 18:14:35 <Mic> clokep: is "this" a module to help with the tooltips or "showing the latest activity in a channel"? 18:15:14 <Mic> I'd like the first and I'm not sure about the latter. 18:36:47 <aleth> It sounds like it would be nice to have this in the core. 18:37:06 <aleth> Isn't there a bug for redesigning the tooltips already somewhere? 18:38:15 <aleth> Mic: How about showing the last ,<=N _unread_ messages? I don't think the feature is very useful if you've already read them 18:42:08 <Mic> aleth: the redesign-tooltips bug is more about the layout and look iirc 18:42:29 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 18:43:52 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 18:43:57 <-- gerard-majax_ has quit (No route to host) 18:45:05 <Mic> From #developers: 18:45:08 <Mic> 19:37:47 - tbsaunde: jcranmer|away: any reason can't merge venkman / chatzilla / dom-inspector into mozilla-central yet? 18:45:11 <Mic> :S 18:45:44 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 18:46:45 <Mic> Chatzilla in m-c? What's next? A mail client and html editor? 18:47:44 <aleth> Some visual tool for creating <frame>s would be nice ;) 19:00:15 <-- rosonline has quit (Ping timeout) 19:02:37 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 19:11:10 <-- rosonline has quit (Ping timeout) 19:12:58 <clokep> Mic: I meant the feature, showing the last message in a chnanel. 19:22:40 <dew> must convert all mozilla devs from chatzilla to instantbird 19:24:34 <flo-retina> Mic: what's been the replies to that? 19:25:03 <Mic> lmctfy 19:25:46 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/152025 19:26:16 <Mic> It ended as a long discussion about merging c-c into m-c. 19:26:44 <clokep> There was a bit of context before that too about how changes that break c-c should be handled http://pastebin.instantbird.com/152026 19:26:47 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Au revoir) 19:28:14 <Mic> clokep: thanks! I only have firebot messages between my joining and this statement. 19:30:21 <flo-retina> ok, so no real plan :) 19:30:39 <clokep> Doesn't sound like it. :) 19:31:48 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 19:32:18 <Mic> dew: how? A Jedi mind-trick, maybe: "You don't want to use Chatzilla. You want to go home and rethink your IM usage" ?;) 19:32:46 <dew> yes I will plug instantbird every chance I get :) 19:43:05 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 19:54:25 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 20:14:25 <clokep> Just got this email to the list. :-S http://pastebin.instantbird.com/152056 20:21:53 <Mic> What so bad about this? 20:22:14 <Mic> That we have incomplete translations? Or that someone tries to make some money by offering his help? 20:22:38 <EionRobb> Free Software is not about making money ;) 20:27:43 <clokep> Mic: That he's asking to get paid. 20:29:56 <Mic> Not a problem at all in my opinion. The answer's just "sorry, we're not interested". 20:30:21 <clokep> Mic: Yes, it just annoys me when people do stuff like that. 20:30:56 <Mic> Maybe there *are* some projects that are willing to offer money for a translation because they really want it or need it. They might be happy to have one for the job. 20:31:25 <clokep> I think they'd be offering it then. 20:32:38 <Mic> It's nothing more than an offer (unsolicited application if you like) imo. Nothing wrong with that. One more mail for the spam-folder in the worst case. 20:33:30 <EionRobb> I'm offering my services to translate everything to en-NZ for the discounted rate of 1 sheep per hour... even if it's just taking all existing phrases and ending them with the word "bro" or "az" 20:34:06 <Mic> EionRobb: sorry, we're not interested. 20:34:12 <clokep> Mic: I find it rude to make the unsolicited offer. 20:36:40 <Mic> Yes, I've noticed. I don't exactly agree but I understand that you find it rude when someone wants to charge for working for a project that you invest a lot of your time in for free. 21:06:40 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Quit: FireFly_TB) 21:19:28 <-- Kaishi has quit (Quit: Kaishi) 21:26:03 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org requested review from email@example.com rg for attachment 2253 on bug 1038. 21:26:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1038 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Add followed people to the participants timeline 21:29:24 * clokep just found a weird bug. 21:42:13 <instantbot> New Core - Twitter bug 1886 filed by firstname.lastname@example.org. 21:42:14 <instantbot> email@example.com requested review from firstname.lastname@example.org rg for attachment 2254 on bug 1886. 21:42:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1886 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, The topic of a Twitter timeline disappears if you close the conversation 22:21:55 <flo-retina> clokep: I find that email surprising. If I was offering my help as a professional translator, I would do my best for my email to look professional. If the English looks poor for someone who's supposed to be a translator, that sounds like an issue ;). 22:22:44 <flo-retina> + the rate seems very low (not sure, I'll check tomorrow with a professional translator who works in my coworking space what the normal rates are 22:23:38 <flo-retina> and as to whether the email is rude or not. I don't think he's being rude. Just clueless (if he had googled around, he would have found the documentation about our translation process). 22:45:10 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 22:48:29 <clokep> flo: So the issue I have w/ iterating over it once...is wouldn't we really need to iterate over it a bunch of times and involve a lot of slices/splices? 23:14:42 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 23:17:39 <Mic> Good night 23:17:44 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: No time to waste, let's go!) 23:40:32 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 23:40:32 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 23:41:05 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: No time to waste, let's go!) 23:55:59 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird