#instantbird log on 02 24 2013

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03:40:43 <instant-buildbot> build #790 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/790
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13:08:25 <Mic> One day I need to figure out how Persona works (and why it works;)
13:10:09 <Mic> When I tried it the first time when it was pretty new, I didn't got it working and this time it's only a confirmation mail and a few clicks.
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13:35:07 <aleth> mic: What do you think about landing bug 1728 and leaving the unicode issue for a followup? (Did you see recently a user requested that feature? ;) )
13:35:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1728 enh, --, ---, benediktp, NEW, Show mentions of tracked keywords in own conversations
13:36:02 <aleth> ^^ ha, looks like I already got used to the behaviour of the new tab complete patch :P
13:39:05 <Mic> Yes, this sounds like a good idea.
13:40:34 <Mic> You had already suggested this in a comment half a week ago...sorry that I missed that :(
13:41:50 <aleth> It was just because it came up when I responded to that post on the mailing list :)
13:43:32 <Mic> Yes, thanks a lot!
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14:07:43 <flo-retina> first time I drive the AMI on snow this morning. http://queze.net/goinfre/mamie/audruicq-20130224/IMG_9885-large.jpg
14:09:09 <aleth> it looks unperturbed :)
14:09:57 <aleth> even those don't look like winter tires...
14:10:43 <flo-retina> they are normal tires
14:11:43 <flo-retina> I had a pair of studded tires but I offered it to a friend last year for Christmas as his AMI is his everyday car.
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15:51:52 <clokep> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/147809 is the Moz19 build failure I'm running into.
15:56:06 <aleth> clokep: You might like to experiment with this http://pastebin.instantbird.com/147810
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16:00:40 <aleth> It's not great, but hey...
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16:20:30 <clokep> aleth: Does that move around what the last time shown is?
16:20:53 <aleth> It just always shows the time to the last non-system message.
16:21:40 <clokep> Ah, I see.
16:21:52 <clokep> Does what I'm saying even make sense? Is it an optimization we should try to make?
16:21:55 <clokep> (I'll file a bug, if so.)
16:22:15 <aleth> It makes sense, but I don't know what the solution is
16:22:23 <aleth> I don't like the patch above.
16:22:58 <aleth> I think part of the problem is that once you have a bunch of combined system messages the block of them can span hours, but you have no indication of that.
16:23:09 <clokep> Exactly.
16:23:51 <clokep> I'll file a bug.
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16:36:44 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1882 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
16:36:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1882 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Time Bubbles could be optimized to display the time since the last message in a conversation
16:38:45 * clokep doesn't know if aleth wants to attach the patch to that.
16:39:14 <aleth> I'm not really proposing it as a solution, but try it and see what you think
16:40:12 <aleth> I think it just swaps one kind of confusion for another
16:41:01 <clokep> OK.
16:44:56 <aleth> I wonder what it would look like if one took that patch and in addition styled system messages so they did not look like bubbles at all. Ie. just text on the background.
16:45:35 <aleth> Hard to read and messy, probably ;)
16:52:20 <Mic> aleth @ "Duplicates convbrowser._updateAutoScrollEnabled": should we maybe make "autoScrollEnabled" available in content, e.g. as property/getter in "window"?
16:52:31 <Mic> Are there other cases in which it might be useful to have?
16:54:58 <aleth> Mic: It might be a good idea, but I can't think of any other cases off-hand
16:55:40 <aleth> Well, one maybe
16:56:03 <aleth> If you wrote an add-on that fetched content for messages (videos, images etc) you might face the same issue
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16:57:31 <Nakp> hello
16:59:00 <aleth> Hi Nakp
16:59:09 <Nakp> hi aleth
16:59:26 <Nakp> hey any of you guys know how to integrate instantbird with gnome?
16:59:46 <Nakp> like empathy does?
17:00:17 <aleth> I'm not sure what empathy does
17:00:45 <aleth> What do you mean in particular?
17:01:16 <Nakp> well by default empathy is the im with gnome 3
17:01:39 <Nakp> so you have a tray notification where you can set your status :P
17:02:01 <aleth> IB has a tray icon where you can set your status, have you seen that?
17:02:26 <Nakp> doesnt show up in gnome 3
17:02:31 <aleth> It's probably not as pretty as it doesn't use the gnome3 libraries to do it
17:03:27 <aleth> You have selected "always show the tray icon" in Preferences?
17:03:31 <Nakp> looks like empathy is a im service for gnome 3
17:03:32 <Nakp> yes it si
17:03:33 <Nakp> is
17:03:41 <Nakp> an im*
17:03:47 <aleth> empathy is very tightly integrated as it's gnome-only
17:03:58 <Nakp> yeah
17:04:00 <Nakp> sucks pretty much
17:04:09 <aleth> But there should be a way to show the tray icon
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17:05:38 <Nakp> i think ubuntu messed up this time xD you remember when they replaced the tray notifications with some kind of applets?
17:06:00 <aleth> They have their own "message menu" now for unity
17:06:06 <Nakp> yeah
17:06:14 <aleth> Nobody has written the code for IB to support that yet.
17:06:23 <Nakp> so its for gnome3.. i dont know if its way different but same stupid idea
17:07:14 <aleth> No, for gnome it should be possible to turn it on
17:07:34 <aleth> Though to make it "pretty" again someone would have to write the code for that.
17:07:57 <Nakp> i cant see any other tray icon either xD
17:08:22 <Nakp> thats why i think they made their "notification stuff"
17:08:38 <Nakp> i hate fragmentation pretty much...
17:09:14 <aleth> yeah...
17:09:31 <aleth> Just found this: "Make sure you are checking at the right place. In Gnome3 the system tray is not at the top right hand corner. It is visible at the bottom right hand corner of the activities (alt + f1) screen."
17:10:45 <Nakp> lol
17:10:50 <Nakp> thats the problem then
17:10:55 <Nakp> fuck gnome3 derivates!
17:11:00 <aleth> If that doesn't help, you might like to do something along these lines for instantbird: http://mo.morsi.org/blog/node/337
17:11:01 <Nakp> fuck em all :@
17:11:11 <Nakp> im sticking to xfce
17:11:13 <aleth> I'm on KDE so I can't help you there ;)
17:11:22 <Nakp> im on "phanteon"
17:11:40 <Nakp> its the prettiest gnome3 kid ive seen around
17:11:49 <Nakp> better than cinnamon or unity
17:11:59 <aleth> Makes XFCE look like gnome3?
17:12:20 <aleth> I've not heard of it
17:13:16 <Nakp> nah its a gnome3 derivate
17:13:30 <Nakp> have you heard about elementary os?
17:13:31 <aleth> Oh, elementary
17:13:34 <Nakp> yup :P
17:13:40 <aleth> I thought that wasn't ready yet?
17:13:45 <Nakp> its beta
17:13:58 <Nakp> so yes xD its not ready yet :P
17:14:05 <aleth> Maybe they will support tray icons then ;)
17:14:20 <Nakp> i hope they wont do it "their way" too
17:14:25 <Nakp> like unity
17:15:30 <aleth> Tray icons have always been painful, each OS does something different
17:15:52 <Nakp> with linux.. each desktop
17:16:33 <Nakp> i would standarize everything
17:16:35 <aleth> It probably wouldn't be too hard for someone actually using any given desktop to add support for wehatever via an add-on
17:17:05 <aleth> We have an add-on for unity afaik
17:17:38 <Nakp> 2
17:18:05 <aleth> It's a bit odd that KDE seems to support the gtk tray icon better than gnome3 does then... ;)
17:18:05 <Nakp> adding global menu bar integration and an unread count for the icon
17:18:18 <Nakp> yeah
17:18:49 <Nakp> the gnome way is... or was.. little conversation popups
17:18:56 <Nakp> without message windows
17:19:01 <Nakp> at least for empathy
17:19:11 <aleth> I remember seeing a mockup of that
17:19:29 <aleth> That kind of thing has to be quite tightly integrated, it goes way beyond tray icons
17:19:40 <Nakp> pidgin offered some kind of integration with that
17:19:57 <aleth> But again I suspect if anyone cared enough they would write an add-on ;)
17:20:16 <Nakp> you wont make me care enough xD hahahaha
17:20:27 <Nakp> i use more than 1 desktop atm
17:20:39 <Nakp> phanteon is just one of many :(
17:20:59 <aleth> Things will hopefully standardise again at some point
17:21:38 <aleth> But ubuntu and gnome had a major fight over the ubuntu notifications a while back I think...
17:21:54 <aleth> I don't really follow that kind of thing though
17:22:05 <Nakp> i dropped ubuntu when they dropped gnome xD
17:22:30 <Nakp> i started to use linux mint and when they decided to make cinnamon
17:22:36 <Nakp> i just went to xubuntu hahaha
17:22:55 <Nakp> i like gnome 3.. a lot
17:23:02 <aleth> Let no one say there isn't any choice :P
17:23:07 <Nakp> so why use it as a base and change it deeply?
17:23:22 <Nakp> unity sucks pretty much ¬¬
17:23:46 <Nakp> cinnamon looks like gnome 2 -_-' its like gnome 2 on gtk3 hahaha
17:24:38 <Nakp> im thinking about installing xubuntu here too.. instead of elementary which crashes a lot
17:25:07 <Nakp> xubuntu might be "old" but its way more standard than anything around
17:25:26 <Nakp> i can replace pidgin with elementary easily :P
17:25:33 <Nakp> ehm.. instantbird*
17:27:14 <Nakp> i think thats what im going to do this morning ñ_ñ
17:28:51 <Nakp> you said you use kde
17:28:54 <Nakp> which distro?
17:31:17 <aleth> mint kde and kubuntu
17:31:45 <Nakp> do you use plasma thing?
17:32:36 <aleth> plasma is just the desktop. I have most of its features turned off though
17:32:52 <aleth> KDE is extremely configurable, that's both it's strength and it's weakness
17:33:09 <aleth> oops where did those ' come from
17:33:20 <qlum> I personally prefer to use xfce
17:33:33 <qlum> also very configurable 
17:33:34 <Nakp> hahaha
17:33:36 <Nakp> yeah
17:33:39 <Nakp> xfce ftw :B
17:33:54 <aleth> Sure, whatever works for you. It really doesn't matter once you have started your apps.
17:34:01 <Nakp> yeah
17:34:10 <qlum> was using cinnamon before for a while and tried all kinds of desktop enviroments but everytime I get pulled back to xfce
17:34:21 <Nakp> kde was the first desktop doing their stuff the way they wanted to xD
17:34:36 <Nakp> qlum we are 2
17:35:16 <qlum> Maybe I should give kde another go because the last time was a few years ago and it was pretty unstable at the time
17:36:07 <aleth> The early 4.x versions were basically betas apparently
17:36:13 <qlum> ah
17:45:27 <Nakp> well ñ_ñ elementary is going off now :P ill be back from my new xubuntu hahaha
17:45:29 <Nakp> see ya :P
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19:08:08 <aleth> clokep: seeing a variant of the Quit: IO Error bug, where the quit message is the nick:  "adev has left the room (Quit: adev)." Partial transmission or what?
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19:12:07 <Night_Lover> hi, there is no option to block/unblock users in msn?
19:12:46 <aleth> Night_Lover: not at the moment, no
19:13:16 <Night_Lover> still there are too many lack of options then
19:14:27 <aleth> If you'd like to add that option, you are welcome :)
19:15:30 <aleth> bug 135
19:15:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Ignore/Block Buddy
19:16:20 <Night_Lover> my programing skills are too low for this
19:17:05 <aleth> It's wanted, but I don't know when it will happen.
19:23:40 <Night_Lover> since when this program exists?
19:24:16 <aleth> a few years, I don't know exactly
19:25:03 <Mic> At least since late 2007
19:25:32 <Mic> Release of version 0.1 was at 2007-10-18...
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19:25:48 <Night_Lover> 2007? w0w, looks like its developed quite slowly then
19:26:28 <Night_Lover> there is not also an invisible option
19:26:40 <Night_Lover> lot of basic options
19:27:06 * Mic goes to find cloke p's blog post on status'
19:27:32 <Mic> http://clokep.blogspot.de/2012/10/on-status.html
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19:39:34 <Mic> Did IB 0.1 support MUCs?
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19:41:30 <Mic> Ha, the menu items on the buddy list didn't have accesskeys back then :)
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19:51:36 <flo-retina> "Mic: Did IB 0.1 support MUCs?" no
19:51:58 <flo-retina> supporting IRC channels so that I could use Ib to work on Mozilla was the major feature of 0.1.1
19:55:00 <Mic> Ah, that's where this came from: bug 47 :D
19:55:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47 enh, P5, 0.1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, double click functionality in the account manager
19:55:54 <flo-retina> bah, at http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today#m101 aleth had already said what I just commented in the bug
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20:00:08 * flo-retina dislikes when people use the phrase "basic options" to designate "the crap I suffered from and got used to having"
20:00:37 <flo-retina> (that applies to invisible status, custom animated emoticons, colored messages...)
20:00:52 <aleth> There is no brokenness that isn't somebodys favourite feature ;)
20:01:09 <flo-retina> are you sure of that?
20:01:13 <flo-retina> what about memory leaks?
20:01:36 <aleth> No, it's a silly slogan ;)
20:02:02 <aleth> Though memory leaks have their fans, malware authors ;)
20:02:40 <aleth> Hmm, usually that's not leaking per se.
20:02:41 <flo-retina> do leaks really help malware authors?
20:03:39 <aleth> Only if they indicate exploitable bugs.
20:09:47 <clokep> aleth: Why do you think that's an I/O ERROR bug?
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20:11:04 <flo-retina> clokep: that's what's displayed when the server receives a QUIT without message, isn't it?
20:11:06 <aleth> clokep: Because I am seeing it 50% of the time, the other 50% are "Input/Output Error". And because a dump statement shows that the quit message we send is the correct one
20:11:41 <aleth> So I suspect it's what happens when we transmit the beginning of it...
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20:20:00 <clokep> flo-retina: That's server specific, IIRC.
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21:25:19 <flo-retina> clokep: that's very likely server specific, but I think it's the behavior for moznet, and I suspect it's the server where aleth saw the message (and the I/O errors)
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22:37:02 <flo-retina> clokep: just looked at your pastebined build error
22:37:50 <flo-retina> clokep: it looks like you have an issue with this ifdef: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-release/source/layout/media/symbols.def.in#43
22:38:14 <flo-retina> intended to link to line 40, sorry
22:38:58 <clokep> flo-retina: Any idea of what I can do about it? Do I need to just disable it somehow or is there something else?
22:39:22 <flo-retina> well, if you want your build to succeed for now, you can just remove that line
22:39:43 <flo-retina> but it's strange that you have the variable defined but don't have the symbol
22:40:03 <clokep> Looks like I need to add a section to configure.in?
22:40:11 <clokep> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=MOZ_VP8_ENCODER ?
22:40:33 <flo-retina> does it exist in comm-central's configure?
22:40:45 <flo-retina> I don't see why we would need to duplicate that
22:40:54 <clokep> No.
22:40:58 <clokep> You're right.
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22:57:41 <flo-retina> clokep: looks like that ifdef is affected by us disabling webrtc: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-release/source/configure.in#5233
23:02:07 <clokep> flo-retina: Where do we disable that?
23:02:21 <clokep> (Or are we just not enabling it?)
23:02:40 <flo-retina> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/confvars.sh#12
23:03:08 <clokep> Ah.
23:03:19 * clokep has no idea what that file really does. :(
23:03:25 <clokep> Or how it interacts with .mozconfig.
23:06:34 <clokep> Bah. I need to install the DirectX SDK then...
23:06:35 * clokep sighs.
23:08:35 <flo-retina> clokep: it sets default values of configure variables
23:09:00 <clokep> flo-retina: But .mozconfig would still override those then?
23:09:28 <flo-retina> I think so, yes
23:10:00 <flo-retina> but I assume you don't have --enable-webrtc in your .mozconfig ;)
23:12:03 <clokep> I don't. :)
23:12:13 * clokep re-added --disable-webgl and it seems to be going.
23:12:16 <clokep> We'll see if it finishes.
23:12:58 <flo-retina> we could likely reduce the size of our installer by adding a few --disable to our mozconfigs
23:13:30 <flo-retina> btw, isn't http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/confvars.sh#11 in the way for aleth's math experiments?
23:19:03 <clokep> Hmmm....it seems to work OK?
23:19:11 * clokep wonders if that variable is used anymore. ;)
23:21:04 <flo-retina> webgl?
23:21:25 <flo-retina> or is it --disable-angle ?
23:22:02 <clokep> The one you just pointed out.
23:22:11 <clokep> Bah, I'm still getting the same error.
23:50:03 * flo-retina is going to bed
23:50:05 <flo-retina> good luck!