#instantbird log on 02 13 2013

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00:35:56 <instant-buildbot> build #377 of linux-onCommit is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/377  blamelist: Florian Qu?ze <florian@instantbird.org>, Patrick Cloke <clokep@gmail.com>
00:37:39 <clokep> Yay, build failure!
00:38:17 <clokep> flo-retina: Looks like we need to update gtk on the Linux box?
00:45:53 <clokep> Ooo...apparently Google is "looking at" that iTeleport issue. :)
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00:56:27 <Mook_as> say... just how invalid can xml be for google to accept?
00:56:34 <Mook_as> Can you send random close-elements? XD
00:59:03 <clokep> That I don't know...
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02:59:46 <instant-buildbot> build #363 of win32-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/363
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03:11:08 <instant-buildbot> build #777 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/777
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05:45:30 <instant-buildbot> build #869 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/869
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06:51:39 <flo-retina> there's a thread about having pidgin-otr shipped by default on the Pidgin mailing list, and they seem interested in getting things interoperable with other clients, maybe we could find someone interested in getting otr to work in Instantbird?
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08:21:05 <flo-retina> the cause of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=839873 is likely to also block several of our add-ons :(
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08:21:26 <Mic> Yay! Mozilla 18 :)
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08:33:40 <instant-buildbot> build #349 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Exception [exception interrupted]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/349  blamelist: Florian Qu?ze <florian@instantbird.org>, Patrick Cloke <clokep@gmail.com>
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09:19:50 <flo-retina> building moz18 on our mac build slave takes 40min instead of 37min for moz17
09:20:35 <flo-retina> another 7 mozilla updates and it will take over an hour again to build :-/
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10:11:08 <instant-buildbot> build #774 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/774
10:11:36 <aleth> :)
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10:14:45 <flo-retina> "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:18.0) Gecko/20130213 Instantbird/1.4a1pre" :)
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11:03:13 * aleth wonders if Textencoder/Textdecoder will be useful for something...
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11:07:27 <Mic> clokep: thanks for the feedback on the topic bug. I'll try to get it working as an add-on first. Are you really concerned about non-programming folks getting confused by this?
11:17:02 <clokep> Mic: Would your mother be able to figure out what all that red text and crossed out text means?
11:17:39 <clokep> flo-retina: I was thinking the same thing (re OTR).
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11:30:40 <clokep> Yay, Gecko 18!
11:37:39 <flo-retina> clokep: "do we think this bites us anywhere else?" I'm pretty sure it breaks all the Ib add-ons that replace methods inside tabbrowser.xml
11:37:59 <clokep> flo-retina: Do we have a lot of those?
11:38:08 <clokep> I'm pretty sure it will break my sort-by-status add-on.
11:38:21 <clokep> aleth: TextEncoder/Decoder?
11:38:37 <clokep> Is that something new in 18?
11:39:02 <aleth> clokep: yes, http://encoding.spec.whatwg.org/#api
11:39:15 * clokep dislikes getting links to specs. :(
11:39:28 <aleth> No mdn docs exist yet it seems
11:40:17 <clokep> It looks like it /could/ be useful...
11:40:46 <clokep> But I'd have to play w/ it first. :)
11:41:12 <aleth> Right, it's not too clear what the uses/advantages/disadvantages are...
11:41:41 <flo-retina> colorize, show nick, highlight, and maybe others do that
11:48:44 <clokep> :(
11:53:32 <clokep> flo-retina: So the guy that gave a bunch of information in the OTR bug is the same guy that's emailed Pidgin about OTR.
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15:02:42 <clokep_work> So the issue tracker to oftc-hybrid (Freenode's server?) that bug 1292 links to apparently was deleted... :(
15:02:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1292 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Freenode SSL reconnection issues
15:03:57 <flo-retina> they decided trac wasn't painful enough, and moved to github?
15:06:49 <clokep_work> Without moving their tickets it seems?
15:07:01 <clokep_work> Also, does anyone else find it really frustrating trying to search a single github project's code?
15:07:07 <clokep_work> It's possible now, but I have to jump through like 40 hoops.
15:08:52 <flo-retina> clokep_work: the best way seems to be "git clone" followed by "grep -R"
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15:09:10 <flo-retina> clokep_work: github seems to me like a fantastic place to hide code while pretending it's open source ;).
15:11:52 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Yes. And I'm really tired of people saying "You should use git because of GitHub!"
15:12:30 * flo-retina too
15:12:38 <flo-retina> also valid with only "I'm really tired of people" by the way.
15:13:18 <flo-retina> especially true these days with all the delays in the renovation work...
15:13:43 <clokep_work> :( Hopefully soon!
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15:14:14 <flo-retina> I got up early (by my standards) this morning to welcome the plumbers that needed to come to finish the shower. They said they would come between 8 and 8:30am. They showed up at 2pm, and didn't answer any of my phone calls before that because "oops, we forgot the phone at home"
15:16:06 <flo-retina> and this is how the entrance looks now that the tilers tried and removed the stone under the door (they wanted to replace it because the existing one was slightly too small) http://queze.net/goinfre/maison/entree.jpg
15:16:32 <clokep_work> :-/
15:16:41 <clokep_work> I'm sure it'll all work out...eventually...
15:17:03 <flo-retina> sure. Eventually :)
15:17:13 <flo-retina> they are supposed to come and fix that wall either tomorrow or Friday
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15:42:39 <clokep_work> Pidgin 2.10.7 was released.
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16:43:52 <aleth> flo-retina: interesting thought about hiding code on github, their design does make more sense if you take that as the objective ;)
16:45:03 * aleth suspects github grew because it's very easy to set up a new project... and then you're pretty much stuck with it.
16:45:41 <flo-retina> aleth: pretending it's open source is important though ;)
16:46:04 <flo-retina> and not enforcing licensing, so that code there is unusable is also "interesting"
16:46:21 <aleth> good point
16:46:46 <flo-retina> aleth: hmm, well, now that I think of it, github's business model is to have people pay when they want to hide their code. So the free version may just be code hidden in a public way :-D.
16:48:17 <aleth> Hmm yeah, it's designed for the paid use case I guess :P
16:49:47 <flo-retina> although making the "public" code easier to find should give a bigger intensive to pay for hiding :-S
16:50:46 <aleth> ooh, machiavellian ;)
16:51:04 <aleth> And even paid users would appreciate decent search.
16:51:37 <flo-retina> right, so there's just no excuse for the poor search then :-D
16:52:00 <aleth> I suppose one would have to ask people who actually like the site... I've never really understood the appeal.
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16:52:51 <aleth> Good luck with the renovations!
16:52:57 <flo-retina> aleth: I think, like for most poor technologies that people do use everyday, the appeal is in the other people already using it
16:53:06 <flo-retina> otherwise nobody would want to be talking over MSN or facebook chat ;).
16:54:33 <aleth> flo-retina: That's probably it... just use what "everybody" is using. After they switched from sourceforge which was not much different really
16:55:03 <flo-retina> sourceforge was probably much worse
16:56:58 <aleth> Probably
16:57:08 * aleth thought tilers would work inside the house, not remove half the outside wall ;)
16:57:22 <clokep_work> I always enjoyed Google Code, personally.
16:59:26 <flo-retina> aleth: well, one can always have surprises with tilers ;)
17:01:17 <flo-retina> aleth: there was a stone looking at bit like this one http://img8.bricozone.be/23634f0876c558bb6.jpg
17:01:40 <flo-retina> aleth: and like on this photo, the stone was 15cm under the wall on both sides.
17:03:49 <aleth> flo-retina: Oh, I see. Put in before the wall was built on top...
17:04:22 <flo-retina> possibly
17:05:02 <flo-retina> not sure if I have a good photo of how poor it looked before (it's definitively worse now of course :-D)
17:05:54 <aleth> Hmm right, on the photo for example there's a visible vertical seam
17:06:06 * aleth hopes the tilers are also good bricklayers then ;)
17:07:05 <flo-retina> aleth: but the stone on that photo is good (there's no reason to change it, and it's likely a new one actually)
17:13:22 <flo-retina> Here's a screenshot from Google Street view of how it looked before: there was a gap between the stone and the door, and the stone wasn't really horizontal. http://i3.minus.com/i8zohXDjtPPeV.png
17:18:43 <aleth> I'm sure it will look great when it's finished :)
17:20:21 <flo-retina> my hope (for the stone) is that it will look correct enough that people will never notice it even exists
17:21:01 <aleth> and no draughty gaps ;)
17:21:22 <flo-retina> it shouldn't look too good. It's awkward if when you open the door people are busy looking at what's under their feet :-D
17:23:32 <aleth> true :D no mosaics among the tiles then... ;)
17:24:17 <flo-retina> http://queze.net/goinfre/SalleDeBain/IMG_5980.jpg will be enough for the mosaics ;)
17:27:01 * aleth is relieved there is no qrcode there ;)
17:33:52 <flo-retina> you mean as a captcha for the alarm clock?
17:34:28 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Did you say you're not reading logs anymore?
17:34:47 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I said I'm not doing it everyday any more
17:34:56 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I still sometimes read them
17:35:09 <flo-retina> whyN
17:35:11 <flo-retina> ?
17:35:54 <clokep_work> Was just curious if you had seen http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today/#m4, apparently Google is actually looking into the iTeleport stuff.
17:36:24 <flo-retina> that wasn't in the log, I was actually connected
17:36:28 <flo-retina> just sleeping
17:36:36 <flo-retina> so I read the scrollback this morning
17:38:20 <clokep_work> Oh. OK!
17:38:40 <clokep_work> Anyway, I was surprised that they seemed to care...but good for us
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17:42:48 <flo-retina> did they say they are going to look into it, or did they say something that shows they actually did look into it?
17:43:57 <clokep_work> flo-retina: "@clokep, this is getting attention.  Thanks for the report."
17:49:36 <flo-retina> :)
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18:35:27 * clokep_work wonders how hard it would be to fix bug 840...
18:35:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=840 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Set to "away" automatically when locking the OS.
18:37:41 <Mook_as> \o/ progress on the thunderbird bug
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18:59:55 <dew> which bug Mook_as?
19:03:59 <Mook_as> bug 839873
19:04:40 <Mook_as> I have no idea why I can't find it with prod:thun compo:instant delta:2d :(
19:25:40 <clokep_work> Mook_as: That bug is probably just waiting check-in?
19:26:02 <Mook_as> probably, but I'm just happy to see progress XD
19:26:10 <Mook_as> I can turn on updates again!
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20:21:08 <clokep_work> Mook_as: Until they remove nsSupportsArray and then everything breaks again? ;)
20:22:52 <Mook_as> hopefully ib isn't using it much...
20:23:07 <Mook_as> I don't think aceman will like a f- for that reason though :p
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22:26:12 <flo-retina> Mook_as: instantbird uses nsISupportsArray in only one place
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22:44:02 <clokep> flo-retina: Any chance of cleaning out the checkin-needed queue otnight? :)
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22:58:34 <flo-retina> clokep: maybe
22:58:49 <flo-retina> I would have prefered to have a moz18 nightly on each OS before checking in more stuff
22:58:57 <flo-retina> but if the patches are trivial, they could go I guess
22:59:01 <clokep> Oh, right it failed on Linux.
22:59:02 <clokep> Sorry.
22:59:07 <clokep> There's nothing in particular I wanted from it.
22:59:10 <clokep> So...feel free to wait.
22:59:54 <flo-retina> I think I'll wait
23:01:39 <clokep> :)
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