#instantbird log on 02 06 2013

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00:00:32 <Derpyeah> It's ok
00:00:37 <Derpyeah> thanks for trying
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00:16:09 <NicoHood> trololol
00:16:38 <NicoHood> reinstalled windows, copied profil and instantbird doesnt work. there is a new thunderbird version, you know?
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00:17:23 <clokep> NicoHood1: I'm confused about what you're asking. Instantbird or Thunderbird?
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00:19:05 <clokep> I also don't know what you mean by "doesn't work". Does it give an error? Is it not using it? Something else/
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03:36:22 <instant-buildbot> build #769 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/769
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04:25:02 <instant-buildbot> build #767 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/767
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05:29:01 <instant-buildbot> build #861 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/861
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09:44:46 <^MrJiM> i've a question
09:48:24 <^MrJiM> in xmpp chat, when i talk to someone in my compagny i have my profile in the chat look like myname@server-openfire/372617e8
09:48:42 <^MrJiM> is it possible to shown my Real name in the text box
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09:52:43 <flo> ^MrJiM: at the top of the contact list, near your buddy icon there's "Display name" click there to change your 'real name'
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10:08:33 <^MrJiM> i have do that
10:08:52 <^MrJiM> i have the real name of my contact
10:09:02 <^MrJiM> but not mine
10:09:52 <^MrJiM> .
10:10:13 <flo> ok, I guess libpurple's XMPP prpl doesn't handle the display name correctly then :-/
10:10:46 <flo> ^MrJiM: another solution is to go to the account manager, select your XMPP account, click "properties", and set an "Alias" there.
10:10:56 <^MrJiM> i test
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10:11:53 <^MrJiM> alias works
10:12:00 <flo> ^MrJiM: :)
10:12:03 <^MrJiM> it's ok
10:12:45 <^MrJiM> flo
10:13:02 <^MrJiM> is it possible to preconfigure instantbird for installation in mass?
10:13:14 <flo> I don't know what that means
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10:18:26 <^MrJiM> sorry i was on phone
10:19:04 <^MrJiM> to preset XMPP / server / add chrome file in profile...
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10:20:01 <^MrJiM> unattended option in install with config file for example
10:20:43 <flo> I don't think any of us has ever tried something like this for Instantbird.
10:20:56 <^MrJiM> ok
10:21:17 <flo> but if you already have a nice solution to deploy files to all machines, you don't have to use the installer, there's also a zip file that you can just unpack to wherever you want instantbird to be installed
10:21:41 <^MrJiM> hum
10:22:00 <^MrJiM> i don't see the zip file on the website
10:22:04 <^MrJiM> i will check
10:22:45 <^MrJiM> in the zip you have the appdata/profile etc..
10:22:57 <^MrJiM> or it's a zip for the machine
10:23:03 <^MrJiM> allusers
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10:23:14 <flo> ^MrJiM: at the end of the download url, just replace .installer.exe by .zip
10:23:42 <flo> appdata/profile doesn't exist at install time, it's created the first time the user runs Instantbird
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10:24:08 <^MrJiM> donwload in progress
10:24:14 <^MrJiM> ok
10:24:30 <^MrJiM> but i have to put a chrome file in each profile
10:24:41 <^MrJiM> to limit instantbird to xmpp ONLY
10:25:20 <flo> why do you need that in the profile?
10:25:29 <flo> you could do that as an add-on installed globally
10:25:50 <^MrJiM> 11:08:14 <Mic> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/135513 11:08:33 <Mic> Put that in you userChrome.css file and see if it's OK for you. 11:10:04 <aleth> That does look much better :) 
10:26:26 <^MrJiM> is there an addon which limit to xmpp only?
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10:26:49 <^MrJiM> i don't want to have facebook/msn/irc chat in my compagny
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10:27:16 <^MrJiM> openfire/instantbird in internal to work only
10:28:00 <flo> if you really want to block other communication services, isn't something that should be done at the firewall level rather than in the UI of the client?
10:28:38 <^MrJiM> yes
10:29:42 <flo> + if you want only one protocol to be available, rather than hiding all the protocols that you don't want and showing only one item in the list, you would likely want to completely get rid of the list (skip these steps in the wizard)
10:29:50 <^MrJiM> when i install it on directors computer it look like more corporate software if there is only xmpp in the list
10:30:57 <flo> I'm assuming the server name for all your employees will be the same, so you may also want to pre-configure that
10:31:38 <^MrJiM> with the chrome profile i have only xmpp which is more coporate
10:32:24 <^MrJiM> it's not possible to skip the msn / facebook list when you add account
10:32:55 <flo> well, with an add-on you can do whatever you want
10:33:44 <^MrJiM> hey
10:33:58 <^MrJiM> i don't know how to maka addon ^^
10:41:17 <^MrJiM> you should make a corporate version of instantbird! with openfire package and an msi i could be a great solution
10:41:54 <flo> It would be nice if you did it indeed! :)
10:42:00 <^MrJiM> ^^
10:42:18 <^MrJiM> i'm thinking
10:42:49 <^MrJiM> but i'm a noob in addon
10:43:01 <flo> If you want to send us a patch to add a hidden preference that could restrict some features (like the list of offered protocols), I think we could accept it
10:43:15 <flo> that's not a real problem. If you are motivated, you'll find help here ;)
10:43:31 <^MrJiM> i have the chrome file 
10:43:46 <^MrJiM> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/135513
10:43:57 <flo> I know
10:44:02 <^MrJiM> but you have to paste it on each profile
10:44:08 <flo> but that's just hiding things at the UI level.
10:44:24 <^MrJiM> yes
10:44:41 <^MrJiM> but "simple corporate user" don't search too
10:45:28 <^MrJiM> is there a way to paste the chrome file in the exe (add to zip) to deploy it in each launch (each creation o fprofile)
10:45:55 <^MrJiM> because the profile is generate ramdomly
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10:46:03 <^MrJiM> sorry for my english
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10:47:52 <^MrJiM> ah le magicien
10:47:54 <flo> I think there's a way (by putting the file in the defaults/ or defaults/profile/ folder of the application) but I'm not sure it still works
10:48:11 <^MrJiM> i will test
10:48:16 <flo> are you French?
10:49:07 <^MrJiM> oui
10:50:09 <flo> your English is OK by the way, we can understand you :). English is preferred because you can get help from everybody, but if there's something you really can't find how to express in English, I can translate for you I guess (I'm French too).
10:50:34 <^MrJiM> ok
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10:50:55 <^MrJiM> from where?
10:52:09 <flo> I'm in Lille.
10:53:53 <^MrJiM> there is no defaut/profile in zip or exe
10:54:00 <^MrJiM> just defaut/pref
10:54:14 <flo> I know
10:55:05 <flo> but defaults/profile/ exists inside omni.ja (it's a zip file with the .ja extension)
10:55:23 <^MrJiM> ok i check
10:55:58 <flo> when I said that I'm not sure if it works anymore, I meant that I'm not sure if now that the defaults/profile/ files that are shipped by default are inside omni.ja, the files directly in defaults/profile (not inside omni.ja) are still used or not
10:58:06 <^MrJiM> is there a way to edit omni.ja?
10:58:13 <flo> don't do it
10:58:29 <flo> that file will be overwritten at each update
10:58:37 <^MrJiM> ok
10:59:07 <flo> (but otherwise yes, you can just extract the content; it's just a zip file)
10:59:57 <^MrJiM> don't work with 7zip
11:12:43 <^MrJiM> Is it possible to have a profile with "generic pack file accoount" and to copy paste it in the new installed. with account type / server whith SRV-DEFAUT / XMPP / John DOE and just change this value after?
11:13:18 <^MrJiM> in which file is it stored?
11:15:28 <^MrJiM> prefs.js or blist.sqlite or signons.sqlite (and the 3?)
11:16:48 <flo> the account parameters are stored in prefs.js
11:16:52 <flo> and blist.sqlite
11:17:04 <flo> and once you have created an account, it's not possible to change the username of it
11:19:32 <^MrJiM> grr
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11:34:35 <clokep> I guess Instantbird isn't super corporate friendly? We don't have the automatic configuration stuff as Thunderbird does.
11:36:07 * flo doesn't even know what that 'stuff' is ;)
11:43:40 <clokep> If I change a GTalk's alias..will it update on the server?
11:46:23 <flo> you mean the alias of a gtalk contact?
11:46:28 <flo> it should update it on the roster, yes
11:46:59 <clokep> Excellent. :)
11:47:05 <clokep> I guess I'll find out when I go to work?
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11:48:51 <flo> clokep: whever we take it into account when receiving a roster update may be another story ;)
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11:51:28 <clokep> flo: I'm almost certain we do that.
11:51:42 <flo> I'm almost certain we attempt to do it
11:52:21 <flo> whether it actually works, and whether a new buddy alias from the server overrides the contact alias (if one exists)... I wouldn't bet on it ;)
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12:58:54 <clokep_work> flo: It worked. :)
12:59:10 <flo> :)
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13:09:02 <^MrJiM> instantbird or psi, instantbird or psi, instantbird or psi that's the question
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14:03:24 <clokep_work> Hmm...someone replied to the thread I wrote on GTalk's help thing also, ensuring me that the "Chat Team would see it".
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18:03:33 <flo> how come that José isn't banned yet from our mailing list?
18:04:01 <flo> (not sure if I really mean it, but he really starts to annoy me)
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18:47:50 <clokep_work> flo: Did he post something else?
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19:00:53 <flo> clokep_work: "Urgent: Block buddies"
19:01:36 <flo> apparently we need to drop everything and implement blocking buddy for him right now, because one of his friends that he never talks to got a virus.
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19:14:10 <tsp> Where does an installed instnatbird save its modules? I found the sources in .jsm files, but I can't find where that translates to.
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19:26:33 <tsp> Specificly, I want to remove this line from instantbird/modules/ibSounds.jsm: if (!aObject.conversation.isChat). Can I do it without needing to recompile the entire thing from source?
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20:23:56 <Mic> Hi
20:30:49 <Mic> Hello tsk!
20:31:24 <Mic> It seems you want to receive the incoming message notification sound for any message, even in chat rooms/channels?
20:31:29 <tsp> yep
20:32:09 <Mic> OK, let me try something
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20:32:44 <tsp> I tried removing one of the lines from ibSounds.jsm, but that failed. I'm not sure how to debug javascript, or I could just hack it at each update and be fine
20:35:54 <Mic> Let's see...
20:38:32 <Mic> ok, I think it works
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20:39:00 <tsp> Awesome, what's the fix?
20:39:34 <Mic> A small extension, but it's going to be super noisy depending on the activity in the channel, you know that?
20:39:42 <tsp> yep
20:40:19 <Mic> OK, let me upload it somewhere... unfortunately I can't remember my password for AIO at the moment.
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20:43:01 <Mic> Maybe we have a bug where I could it attach to.
20:43:16 <tsp> How do people know if new text arrives in a chatroom without the sounds?
20:43:21 <Mic> Bug 1871 could be OK.
20:43:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1871 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, not playing incoming message sound when there are more than 2 users in the conversation
20:44:26 <Mic> You'll get a sound when you are pinged (i.e. when your name was mentioned). For anything else there's the visual indication (tab label turn red and for conversation on hold we have a "unread counter").
20:49:34 <Mic> tsp: go to this bug and download/install the extension that I attached there. I'll post the source code in our pastebin in a moment.
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20:51:12 <Mic> Here is the source code: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/137862
20:52:37 <Mic> Have fun!
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20:53:09 <tsp> thanks
20:53:30 <Mic> You're welcome :)
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20:55:11 <Mic> tsp1: does it work fine for you?
20:55:24 <tsp1> so far
20:55:41 <Mic> If you run into problem, come back and let me know.
20:56:32 <tsp1> Will do. It seems pretty simple, so I can tweak it
20:57:23 <flo> Mic: I'm (pleasantly!) surprised that it's so simple! :)
20:57:46 * Mic too.
20:58:04 <flo> "const {utils: Cu} = Components;" almost looks like code obfuscation ;)
20:58:42 <Mic> Yes, and I'm missing a semicolon on line 12 too...
20:58:44 <flo> I would suggest commiting this to our addons hg repository, it's a nice code example
20:59:09 <flo> Mic: oh right, you can simplify more
20:59:12 <tsp1> Can observers modify the text that they receive, or block it entirely?
20:59:53 <flo> |var blahObserver = {observer: function(...) { /* code */ }};| is identical to |function blahObserver(...) { /* code */ }|
21:00:53 <Mic> OK, so I either pass an object to add/removeObserve which contains an observe-method or just a function directly.
21:00:53 <flo> tsp1: not really. But an add-on can use the interruption manager to discard some events that could be annoying.
21:01:26 <Mic> I didn't know that the latter is possible.
21:01:50 <flo> Mic: right. The "function" keyword at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/ds/nsIObserver.idl#13 means that if a JS function is passed, it will be converted automatically by XPConnect to the right object with the right method
21:02:49 <flo> Mic: In some cases you need to be careful, because sometimes things may not go through XPConnect (this is especially true for code living inside imContacts.js), but when you are using Services.obs you are safe
21:03:17 <Mic> OK, good to know! :)
21:05:16 <Mic> Thanks to tsp1 for pointing me to the line in question, I had seen bug 1871 before but hadn't bothered to check the details ;)
21:05:17 <flo> Mic: and if I was doing a real code review of that code, I would nit you on line 8 for the missing space after "if" ;)
21:05:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1871 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, not playing incoming message sound when there are more than 2 users in the conversation
21:06:13 <tsp1> I'm surprised that commenting out the line didn't allow it to work, but maybe I just modified the zip wrong
21:06:47 <flo> tsp1: after modifying that zip you would need to start the application with -purgecaches on the command line
21:17:55 <Mic> tsp1: can I tweet that I made a user happy with this?
21:18:10 * tsp1 is now known as tsp
21:18:17 <tsp> yep
21:20:25 <tsp> If I joined the 3 or 4 servers and 10 channels I'm often on, I would need to add some way of controlling it, but this interface can't send enough info to my screen reader to make that usable anyway.
21:22:36 <flo> tsp: so I think you would want the screenreader to tell you the name of the channel when its unread message count is no longer 0
21:22:51 <flo> tsp: that's what we see: the tab title for channels that have unread messages turn red
21:23:51 <tsp> I'm used to a constant chatter of nick on channel says message, and I hear it anywhere if the channel is on. The live region can't support this (I assume this html document is just using a live region to speak its newly added text).
21:25:08 <flo> so the live region is the html document that displays messages
21:25:21 <flo> but we should probably send some accessible events on the tab when it has unread messages
21:25:42 <flo> (I have absolutely no idea of what that event should be, but people in #accessibility would likely know)
21:27:00 <tsp> This has advantages, I can easily select from the history and activate links without going through hoops. I guess the message display format is just part of the theme, which I should be able to customize if I don't like the predefined ones
21:27:46 <flo> but you only hear about the currently selected conversation tab, right?
21:28:32 <tsp> Right, I only hear messages in this window, and only if I'm focused on it
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21:29:05 <tsp> I'll hear the sounds in my other channels, but have to go looking for which channel generated the event
21:29:23 <flo> it would be nicer to have the name of the channel spoken
21:34:48 <tsp> If I move my mouse to the tab, lock the button and move it somewhere else, I turn the current tab into a new window. Is there an easier way to do this, and reverse it?
21:35:35 <flo> the context menu of tabs have an item "Open in a New Window" that does the same thing
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21:36:04 <flo> to reverse it, you need to drag the tab back to the first window, which may be difficult if you don't remember where that window is
21:36:36 <flo> oh well, I guess another solution is to put the conversation on hold, and then reopen it
21:36:43 <flo> it will open it in an existing window
21:36:53 <tsp> Pressing the applications key on the tab doesn't open its context menu. Is it just my system?
21:36:55 <flo> you can press the 'escape' key to put the conversation on hold
21:37:22 <flo> my keyboard doesn't have an "applications" key (I'm on a macbook) so I can't help you there :-/
21:37:47 <tsp> brb, I managed to pause the display somehow
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21:39:09 <tsp> there. Shift f10 should also open that menu, if you don't have an apps key
21:39:58 <flo> shift doesn't seem to affect the behavior of the f10 key
21:40:45 <Mic> There's bug 1635
21:40:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [accessibility] Pressing applications key/shift+f10 on tab focuses input box
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21:42:27 <Mic> flo: Shift+F10 should open the context menu - on Windows, atleast.
21:43:34 <flo> Mic: I can understand that, but as I said, I'm not on Windows ;)
21:44:19 <Mic> ORLY? :P
21:44:26 <Mic> scnr
21:46:55 <flo> Mic: maybe I should order a Windows machine just for the sake of surprising you? :-P
21:47:09 <Mic> A VM might do? ;)
21:50:24 <Mic> tsp: if you notice something that isn't working as you expect it or that you think could be improved, then just file a bug at http://bugzilla.instantbird.org
21:51:06 * tsp nods
21:52:28 <Mook_as> fwiw, shift+F10 also works on linux. which you're also not on.
21:53:47 <Mook_as> does ib support sending colored text (mIRC colors, or gtalk, or things along those lines)?
21:53:56 <Mook_as> it definitely supports _displaying_ them...
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21:55:37 <flo> on irc no. on gtalk I'm not sure
22:06:59 <Mic> Good night!
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22:33:05 <clokep> Mook_as: IRC supports sending them...if you put the characters directly in. :P
22:33:17 <clokep> We don't support anyway of formatting though, so...
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