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03:35:52 <instant-buildbot> build #767 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/767
04:25:15 <instant-buildbot> build #765 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/765
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05:30:50 <instant-buildbot> build #859 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/859
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07:18:16 <flo-retina> bug 1871 may be reported with MSN in mind, where it's possible (from the official client) to just add another person into an existing conversation. If that's it, then the user hasn't really joined a chat room, there just happens to be one more person in the conversation
07:18:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1871 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, not playing incoming message sound when there are more than 2 users in the conversation
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13:38:33 <clokep_work> flo-retina: What happens in MSN if another person joins? Does it stay as a normal conversation or does it open a MUC?
13:44:06 <flo-retina> do you mean in Ib with the MSN prpl, or in WLM?
13:58:44 <clokep_work> MSN prpl.
13:58:58 <clokep_work> Presentation time, bbl. :)
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14:38:43 <flo-retina> I have this at the end of a private conversation with Jb, that feels wrong:
14:38:43 <flo-retina> 15:29:30 - jb is now Offline.
14:38:44 <flo-retina> 15:31:52 - jb is not online.
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15:37:30 <flo-retina> lxr works again (it was just the hard disk that was full)
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20:11:05 <EionRobb> thanks clokep_work :)  (got the memo)
20:11:15 <clokep_work> EionRobb: Did that work for ya?
20:11:56 <EionRobb> how do you get to the about:config in Tb?
20:12:05 <clokep_work> Tools > Options > Advanced > About:config
20:13:36 <clokep_work> (Or some vaguely likely that, maybe some OS differences, etc.)
20:13:37 <EionRobb> ah :) much better
20:14:10 <EionRobb> I found that hiding the menu bar also helped (couldn't use native OS window positioning)
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20:16:08 <clokep_work> :( That's unfortunate.
20:16:11 <clokep_work> And sounds like a bug.
20:16:16 * clokep_work doesn't really miss the menu bar on Windows.
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21:53:22 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2221 on bug 1680.
21:53:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1680 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Enable "minimize on startup"
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21:59:14 <flo-retina> I wonder if we could/should do something similar for 406
21:59:43 <aleth> bug 406
21:59:46 <flo-retina> or would window.blur() do what we want there?
21:59:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=406 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, New Conversation takes focus from current task
22:02:10 <aleth> I doubt window.blur() will pop the window back behind other windows
22:02:22 <aleth> I'm not sure though, as it's Windows-specific I don't see that behaviour, and I've found it necessary to test these things to find out if they actually do what one thinks they wil do...
22:02:32 * clokep_work wonders if aleth has seen https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/files/browse/87490/file/chrome/content/moscFunc.js#top ...
22:03:39 <aleth> clokep_work: Hmm, that's not a great solution (how do you know how long to wait?)
22:04:43 <clokep_work> aleth: I was just asking if you had seen it, not saying it's better.
22:05:05 <aleth> Ah, thanks! No, I hadn't seen it. 
22:05:45 <aleth> flo-retina: Would the alwaysLowered flag on window.open do what is wanted for 406?
22:05:58 <clokep_work> I can't really say /why/ but I really dislike checking the extensions.mintrayr.minimizeon pref in there...if we just call minimize does it not just work?
22:06:57 <flo-retina> "I can't really say /why/ but I really dislike checking the extensions.mintrayr.minimizeon pref in there" because it's ugly? ;)
22:07:10 <aleth> clokep_work: Sadly, no (as the tray doesn't "notice" the window has been minimized)
22:07:16 <clokep_work> Why not? :P
22:07:25 <flo-retina> it's nice to see a patch for that bug though! :)
22:07:29 <aleth> Ask whoever wrote mintrayr :P
22:07:32 <clokep_work> Does gMinTrayR.minimize check if it's supposed to be minimized or not beforehand?
22:07:43 <clokep_work> I mean, if it's supposed to go to the tray.
22:07:46 <aleth> No.
22:08:20 <aleth> I considered adding the check there actually but it would just add to the complexity of that code which is bad enough as it is
22:08:43 <clokep_work> aleth: It probably doesn't notice because the gMinTrayR code isn't loaded into the onload event, which you said hasn't happened yet?
22:08:50 <flo-retina> btw, bug 1680 was on my personal "blocking 0.3/1.0" list (the one I had with post-its on the wall of my office)
22:08:51 <aleth> clokep_work: (unless you can see a neat way that i missed)
22:08:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1680 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Enable "minimize on startup"
22:09:47 <aleth> clokep_work: No, as the focus event happens later anyway
22:10:06 <clokep_work> aleth: Yeah what I said doesn't make any sense anyway.
22:10:31 * clokep_work wonders how minTrayR gets the event for minimizing. :-/
22:11:00 <clokep_work> Ah, it has some "watchMinimize" thing.
22:13:07 <aleth> The annoying aspect of the patch for the user is the slight flicker if they are unlucky with timing (I don't see it, but I'm sure some will).
22:17:00 <clokep_work> aleth: Yeah so I don't really see a better way to do that either...
22:17:28 <aleth> clokep_work: I agree that bit is ugly of course! (So is not creating the window minimized in the first place...)
22:19:00 <clokep_work> aleth: Right.
22:19:08 <clokep_work> I don't think you can not create the window.
22:19:21 <clokep_work> IIf you want me to test something for opening windows in the background, I can.
22:19:36 <aleth> Good to know we are getting through the 1.0 blockers list though ;) [expects file transfer comments to arrive just about now]
22:20:33 <aleth> clokep_work: That would be for bug 406, I don't know where exactly you would have to add the flag offhand though
22:20:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=406 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, New Conversation takes focus from current task
22:20:46 <Mic> aleth: maybe registering for the "domwindowopened" notification with the window watcher service is suitable as trigger?
22:21:24 <Mic> I've absolutely no idea when it is sent and in which state the window will be when you receive it.
22:21:25 <clokep_work> aleth: Can you link me what flag you were talking about?
22:21:56 <aleth> alwaysLowered, here https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM/window.open
22:22:35 <aleth> Mic: For conversation windows, the idea is to check if one can add the flag to the window.open call, you wouldnt need a listener
22:23:18 <Mic> I was talking about your inital problem with the contact list and the "load" event not being good enough for your task.
22:23:24 <Mic> *initial
22:24:02 <aleth> Mic: Oh, I see. I used the focus event, which works fine. But I'll take a look at that one just to see what it is
22:24:27 <Mic> OK, good luck :)
22:26:03 <aleth> clokep_work: of course if the blist is the parent of conv windows, then alwaysLowered just adds a different kind of pain
22:27:14 <clokep_work> aleth: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/modules/imWindows.jsm#153
22:27:21 <clokep_work> I think we need to add it to that line.
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22:27:49 <aleth> Looks good.
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22:33:45 <Mic> Good night
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23:21:13 <clokep> aleth: alwaysLowered seems to keep the window in the background..always.
23:21:17 <clokep> Even after it has focus.
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