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If that's it, then the user hasn't really joined a chat room, there just happens to be one more person in the conversation 07:18:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1871 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, not playing incoming message sound when there are more than 2 users in the conversation 07:20:48 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Input/output error) 07:49:34 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 07:53:06 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 08:07:01 --> jb has joined #instantbird 08:50:36 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 08:50:40 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 08:50:41 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 09:14:42 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 09:20:41 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 09:21:07 --> jb has joined #instantbird 09:21:46 <-- gerard-majax_ has quit (Ping timeout) 09:25:14 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 09:25:48 <-- rosonline has quit (Client exited) 09:25:51 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 09:28:21 --> Even has joined #instantbird 09:28:22 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 09:32:40 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 09:32:40 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 09:34:37 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 09:37:55 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 09:38:37 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 09:51:04 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: PM: Preparing frontal lobe for mem sleep) 09:53:16 <-- gerard-majax_ has quit (Ping timeout) 09:55:28 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 09:57:37 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 10:00:17 --> deltafalcon has joined #instantbird 10:02:21 <-- jb has quit (Input/output error) 10:02:24 --> jb has joined #instantbird 10:24:07 <-- gerard-majax_ has quit (Ping timeout) 10:29:13 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 10:42:55 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 10:45:21 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Output/input error) 10:46:06 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 10:46:07 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 10:46:15 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 10:49:57 <-- gerard-majax_ has quit (Ping timeout) 10:53:41 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Connection reset by peer) 11:14:56 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 11:15:50 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 11:15:50 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 11:15:59 <-- clokep has quit (Input/output error) 11:16:07 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 11:16:07 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 11:45:44 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 11:55:12 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:03:44 <-- Mic has quit (Connection reset by peer) 12:21:23 <-- deltafalcon has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:22:40 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:22:48 --> Even has joined #instantbird 12:22:49 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 12:59:27 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 12:59:27 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 13:24:10 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 13:27:31 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 13:38:33 <clokep_work> flo-retina: What happens in MSN if another person joins? Does it stay as a normal conversation or does it open a MUC? 13:44:06 <flo-retina> do you mean in Ib with the MSN prpl, or in WLM? 13:58:44 <clokep_work> MSN prpl. 13:58:58 <clokep_work> Presentation time, bbl. :) 13:59:02 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 14:18:56 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 14:18:56 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 14:24:00 <-- gerard-majax_ has quit (Ping timeout) 14:29:28 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 14:38:02 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 14:38:43 <flo-retina> I have this at the end of a private conversation with Jb, that feels wrong: 14:38:43 <flo-retina> 15:29:30 - jb is now Offline. 14:38:44 <flo-retina> 15:31:52 - jb is not online. 14:40:30 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 14:41:00 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 14:41:01 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 14:56:34 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 15:05:15 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Output/input error) 15:09:24 <-- mconley has quit (Ping timeout) 15:34:34 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 15:37:30 <flo-retina> lxr works again (it was just the hard disk that was full) 15:37:57 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 15:38:47 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 15:45:32 --> jb has joined #instantbird 15:46:30 <-- gerard-majax_ has quit (Ping timeout) 15:51:09 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 15:59:59 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 16:09:27 <-- gerard-majax_ has quit (Ping timeout) 16:24:46 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 16:28:39 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 16:37:24 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 16:37:24 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 17:01:16 <-- jb has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:01:20 --> jb has joined #instantbird 17:02:53 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 17:06:43 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 17:34:00 --> qlum has joined #instantbird 17:36:32 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 17:39:53 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 18:01:10 --> jb1 has joined #instantbird 18:01:11 <-- jb has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:01:48 <-- mpmc has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:02:49 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 18:04:58 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 18:14:27 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 19:14:56 --> jb has joined #instantbird 19:15:00 <-- jb1 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:24:44 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 19:24:44 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 19:29:02 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 19:29:02 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 19:56:19 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 19:59:16 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Quit: FireFly_TB) 19:59:36 <-- rosonline has quit (No route to host) 20:01:06 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 20:03:04 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 20:03:34 <-- rosonline has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:03:43 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 20:04:11 <-- rosonline has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:04:20 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 20:04:47 <-- rosonline has quit (Client exited) 20:05:12 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 20:05:33 <-- rosonline has quit (Client exited) 20:05:42 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 20:06:08 <-- rosonline has quit (Client exited) 20:06:28 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 20:08:42 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 20:09:55 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 20:11:05 <EionRobb> thanks clokep_work :) (got the memo) 20:11:15 <clokep_work> EionRobb: Did that work for ya? 20:11:56 <EionRobb> how do you get to the about:config in Tb? 20:12:05 <clokep_work> Tools > Options > Advanced > About:config 20:13:36 <clokep_work> (Or some vaguely likely that, maybe some OS differences, etc.) 20:13:37 <EionRobb> ah :) much better 20:14:10 <EionRobb> I found that hiding the menu bar also helped (couldn't use native OS window positioning) 20:14:22 <-- rosonline has quit (Client exited) 20:14:39 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 20:16:08 <clokep_work> :( That's unfortunate. 20:16:11 <clokep_work> And sounds like a bug. 20:16:16 * clokep_work doesn't really miss the menu bar on Windows. 20:18:13 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 20:20:08 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 20:23:12 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 20:34:19 <-- SM0TVI has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:37:52 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 20:42:56 --> SM0TVI has joined #instantbird 20:44:29 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 20:44:50 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Quit: FireFly_TB) 20:48:51 --> jb has joined #instantbird 21:00:36 <-- jb has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:00:39 --> jb1 has joined #instantbird 21:02:47 <-- qlum has quit (Quit: Getting the <censored> out.) 21:30:09 <-- jb1 has quit (Ping timeout) 21:31:02 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 21:31:03 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 21:38:38 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 21:47:36 --> jb has joined #instantbird 21:51:42 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 21:51:50 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 1.1.19/2010030105]) 21:53:22 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2221 on bug 1680. 21:53:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1680 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Enable "minimize on startup" 21:58:30 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 21:59:14 <flo-retina> I wonder if we could/should do something similar for 406 21:59:43 <aleth> bug 406 21:59:46 <flo-retina> or would window.blur() do what we want there? 21:59:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=406 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, New Conversation takes focus from current task 22:02:10 <aleth> I doubt window.blur() will pop the window back behind other windows 22:02:22 <aleth> I'm not sure though, as it's Windows-specific I don't see that behaviour, and I've found it necessary to test these things to find out if they actually do what one thinks they wil do... 22:02:32 * clokep_work wonders if aleth has seen https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/files/browse/87490/file/chrome/content/moscFunc.js#top ... 22:03:39 <aleth> clokep_work: Hmm, that's not a great solution (how do you know how long to wait?) 22:04:43 <clokep_work> aleth: I was just asking if you had seen it, not saying it's better. 22:05:05 <aleth> Ah, thanks! No, I hadn't seen it. 22:05:45 <aleth> flo-retina: Would the alwaysLowered flag on window.open do what is wanted for 406? 22:05:58 <clokep_work> I can't really say /why/ but I really dislike checking the extensions.mintrayr.minimizeon pref in there...if we just call minimize does it not just work? 22:06:57 <flo-retina> "I can't really say /why/ but I really dislike checking the extensions.mintrayr.minimizeon pref in there" because it's ugly? ;) 22:07:10 <aleth> clokep_work: Sadly, no (as the tray doesn't "notice" the window has been minimized) 22:07:16 <clokep_work> Why not? :P 22:07:25 <flo-retina> it's nice to see a patch for that bug though! :) 22:07:29 <aleth> Ask whoever wrote mintrayr :P 22:07:32 <clokep_work> Does gMinTrayR.minimize check if it's supposed to be minimized or not beforehand? 22:07:43 <clokep_work> I mean, if it's supposed to go to the tray. 22:07:46 <aleth> No. 22:08:20 <aleth> I considered adding the check there actually but it would just add to the complexity of that code which is bad enough as it is 22:08:43 <clokep_work> aleth: It probably doesn't notice because the gMinTrayR code isn't loaded into the onload event, which you said hasn't happened yet? 22:08:50 <flo-retina> btw, bug 1680 was on my personal "blocking 0.3/1.0" list (the one I had with post-its on the wall of my office) 22:08:51 <aleth> clokep_work: (unless you can see a neat way that i missed) 22:08:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1680 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Enable "minimize on startup" 22:09:47 <aleth> clokep_work: No, as the focus event happens later anyway 22:10:06 <clokep_work> aleth: Yeah what I said doesn't make any sense anyway. 22:10:31 * clokep_work wonders how minTrayR gets the event for minimizing. :-/ 22:11:00 <clokep_work> Ah, it has some "watchMinimize" thing. 22:13:07 <aleth> The annoying aspect of the patch for the user is the slight flicker if they are unlucky with timing (I don't see it, but I'm sure some will). 22:17:00 <clokep_work> aleth: Yeah so I don't really see a better way to do that either... 22:17:28 <aleth> clokep_work: I agree that bit is ugly of course! (So is not creating the window minimized in the first place...) 22:19:00 <clokep_work> aleth: Right. 22:19:08 <clokep_work> I don't think you can not create the window. 22:19:21 <clokep_work> IIf you want me to test something for opening windows in the background, I can. 22:19:36 <aleth> Good to know we are getting through the 1.0 blockers list though ;) [expects file transfer comments to arrive just about now] 22:20:33 <aleth> clokep_work: That would be for bug 406, I don't know where exactly you would have to add the flag offhand though 22:20:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=406 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, New Conversation takes focus from current task 22:20:46 <Mic> aleth: maybe registering for the "domwindowopened" notification with the window watcher service is suitable as trigger? 22:21:24 <Mic> I've absolutely no idea when it is sent and in which state the window will be when you receive it. 22:21:25 <clokep_work> aleth: Can you link me what flag you were talking about? 22:21:56 <aleth> alwaysLowered, here https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM/window.open 22:22:35 <aleth> Mic: For conversation windows, the idea is to check if one can add the flag to the window.open call, you wouldnt need a listener 22:23:18 <Mic> I was talking about your inital problem with the contact list and the "load" event not being good enough for your task. 22:23:24 <Mic> *initial 22:24:02 <aleth> Mic: Oh, I see. I used the focus event, which works fine. But I'll take a look at that one just to see what it is 22:24:27 <Mic> OK, good luck :) 22:26:03 <aleth> clokep_work: of course if the blist is the parent of conv windows, then alwaysLowered just adds a different kind of pain 22:27:14 <clokep_work> aleth: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/modules/imWindows.jsm#153 22:27:21 <clokep_work> I think we need to add it to that line. 22:27:48 * clokep_work goes home. 22:27:49 <aleth> Looks good. 22:27:56 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 22:33:45 <Mic> Good night 22:33:49 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Output/input error) 22:37:39 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 22:41:00 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 23:09:45 --> jb has joined #instantbird 23:13:44 <-- Tonnes has quit (Connection reset by peer) 23:14:20 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 23:14:36 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 23:14:36 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 23:14:46 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 23:15:12 <-- Tonnes has quit (Connection reset by peer) 23:15:45 <-- MMN-o has quit (Ping timeout) 23:15:48 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 23:17:31 <-- aleth has quit (Input/output error) 23:19:05 --> MMN-o has joined #instantbird 23:21:13 <clokep> aleth: alwaysLowered seems to keep the window in the background..always. 23:21:17 <clokep> Even after it has focus. 23:23:59 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 23:34:41 <-- Tonnes has quit (Connection reset by peer) 23:35:17 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 23:41:37 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout)