#instantbird log on 01 28 2013

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05:39:49 <barlas> Hey
05:40:18 <barlas> My GoogleTalk account keep getting disconnected from instantbird.
05:42:12 <barlas> It disconnects right after connecting. In Accounts list, it says 'Error: Received unexpected data'.
05:43:03 <barlas> Was working fine for months, just started happening few days ago. Other accounts are working fine, one of them is another Google Talk account (it's using google apps for your domain, not @gmail).
05:43:06 <barlas> Any ideas?
05:47:54 <Mook> which version of instantbird are you using?
05:49:02 <Mook> also, do you have anybody on your contact that uses, um, iTeleport?
05:51:04 <Mook> oh, blah, I guess the version doesn't matter.
05:51:19 <Mook> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1653 / https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775977
05:51:22 <instantbot> Bug 1653 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Gtalk login failure: Unexpected data received (XML Parsing Error)
05:51:27 <Mook> of course, that's assuming that's the bug you're experiencing...
06:29:16 <barlas> Hmm
06:30:49 <barlas> It has been working fine before, so I guess Google changed something.
06:31:03 <barlas> Except it's working fine for my account on 'Google apps for your domain'
06:48:04 <Mook> well, if the thing I was thinking of was the problem (we haven't tried to make sure of that yet), it's dependent on somebody else you know installing a piece of software...
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07:21:17 <barlas> iTeleport?
07:21:22 <barlas> Haven't heard of it before.
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07:55:29 <flo-retina> it's sad that iTeleport didn't get banned from gtalk yet :(
07:56:42 <flo-retina> the BMO bug report is the 7th result when googling "iteleport google talk" :-D
08:00:19 <flo-retina> for "iteleport xmpp", the first result is a job opening, and the 4 next results are complaints about them sending invalid XML from 4 different xmpp developers
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09:31:19 <barlas> It started working.
09:31:40 <barlas> Does that mean the person who is using iTeleport is offline? :)
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11:26:55 <clokep> barlas: Probably.
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19:33:13 * aleth has added some screenshots to bug 1732
19:33:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1732 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Port the log tree and concatenated daily logs from TB
19:33:19 <aleth> opinions welcome ;)
19:34:56 <clokep_work> aleth: I see two rulers on https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=2211
19:35:05 <clokep_work> Does the second one not have a time in it because it's < 5 minutes?
19:35:12 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes.
19:36:37 <clokep_work> aleth: First of all, thre tree looks awesome. :)
19:36:41 <aleth> The issue is that the time difference we have is that between the two messages, not between the end of the session and the new session. So one has to choose which case one wants to emphasize visually...
19:37:35 <clokep_work> I think I like it not inside better.
19:37:49 <clokep_work> Is this bubbles tweaking btw?
19:37:58 <aleth> Sure, that's just the message style.
19:38:12 <aleth> Time bubbles is a Bubbles feature ;)
19:38:54 <clokep_work> I'm wondering how you affected display only in the log viewer. ;)
19:39:15 <aleth> The session rulers have their own CSS id.
19:39:36 <clokep_work> "their own" form what?
19:39:37 <clokep_work> Oh.
19:39:40 <clokep_work> Wait. I see what you're saying.
19:39:42 <clokep_work> Never mind. :)
19:39:47 <clokep_work> (Shouldn't that be a class, not an ID, btw?)
19:39:54 <aleth> They never occur in a normal conversation...
19:40:09 <clokep_work> I'm not sure why that matters.
19:40:17 <aleth> Probably should be a class, yes. Surprisingly it doesn't seem to matter.
19:40:44 <aleth> It doesn't matter. I'm not completely sure what was puzzling you ;)
19:41:25 <clokep_work> Why can the "session ruler" only occur once?
19:41:44 <aleth> It can occur lots of times. That's why it should probably be a class...
19:42:10 <clokep_work> Yes, that was exactly what I said above...I'm not puzzled.
19:42:18 * clokep_work just realized he has a way to test invalid certs.
19:42:18 <aleth> OK :)
19:42:27 <clokep_work> But mostly that I'm an idiot. :(
19:43:04 <aleth> Test certs for what?
19:43:29 <clokep_work> For connections.
19:43:36 <clokep_work> Last time I checked LiveJournal gave invalid certs.
19:44:37 <aleth> I'm not sure what you are doing, but progress always sounds good :)
19:45:46 <clokep_work> bug 1100
19:45:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors
19:45:53 <clokep_work> I'm at work, so I'm not doing anything. ;)
19:46:02 <aleth> Ah, the confusion above makes more sense if one adjusts for IRC lag :P
19:46:19 <clokep_work> (And for me talking about totally unrelated things!)
19:46:31 <clokep_work> It just hit me though...the log that you showed in that screenshot made me realize it. :)
19:46:32 <clokep_work> So thanks!
19:46:54 <aleth> Neat, fixing that bug would be excellent :)
19:49:19 <Mic> Why did you chose id's for this? Id's are supposed to be unique in a document...
19:49:39 * clokep_work waits for Mic to keep reading...
19:50:31 <aleth> Mic: It's an ID because it's a WIP based on copy&paste from the unread ruler :P
19:52:01 <Mic> Very cool :)
19:52:39 <Mic> What's the items with the time and not just the date on them?
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19:52:51 <aleth> Text logs
19:53:06 <aleth> They aren't concatenated.
19:53:50 <Mic> ok
20:00:54 <clokep_work> aleth: Any reason they're not concatenated? Because you hate them or...?
20:03:02 <aleth> clokep_work: Pretty much... I just didn't go to the effort of writing new code to do that.
20:04:40 <aleth> Would it be worth it?
20:06:25 <clokep_work> aleth: Maybe. I don't know. :)
20:06:29 <clokep_work> Not for a WIP. ;)
20:08:03 <aleth> It's not like they'll look any better when concatenated... and the text browser doesn't support things like section scroll.
20:08:50 <flo-retina1> don't waste time with that
20:09:13 <aleth> flo-retina1: That's what I thought actually ;)
20:09:20 <flo-retina1> wnayes has started some work on an importer for them (well, for pidgin logs), so at some point we should be able to do a best effort conversion into a "real" conversation
20:10:27 <aleth> Oh nice, that would be a good way of handling them.
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20:16:59 <aleth> ^^ still that annoying bug on quit :(
20:19:30 <clokep_work> aleth: mconley is probably not on a new version of Instantbird.
20:19:51 <aleth> clokep_work: I don't think we ever fixed it in IB either though
20:20:29 <aleth> I wonder if it's related to bug 1649 in some underlying-cause way
20:20:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1649 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make logs less fragile under incorrect shutdowns
20:21:41 <clokep_work> aleth: Maybe we're not talking about the same thing. What are you talking about?
20:23:02 <aleth> The "Quit: Input/output error" suggests something can go wrong with open streams when shutting down IB. Wild speculation that open file streams may be affected by something similar
20:24:12 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1134 to DUPLICATE of bug 1732.
20:24:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1134 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Don't always create new log file on opening a the conversation
20:24:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1732 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Port the log tree and concatenated daily logs from TB
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20:26:44 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 292 to DUPLICATE of bug 1732.
20:26:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=292 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Enhance log viewer
20:26:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1732 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Port the log tree and concatenated daily logs from TB
20:27:59 <flo-retina1> aleth: are you even sure mconley was using JS-IRC?
20:29:29 <aleth> flo-retina1: No, I guess not. But there are lots of instances in the logs, also from other people who are...
20:29:32 * clokep_work is pretty sure he doesn't use it.
20:30:03 <flo-retina1> clokep_work: the username would have been Thunderbir or Instantbir if he was, it was mconley ;)
20:30:12 <aleth> eg http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/130127/#m34
20:30:32 <aleth> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/130126/#m60
20:31:00 <flo-retina1> aleth: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/130126/#m50 looks more "interesting"
20:31:15 <aleth> flo-retina1: True.
20:31:32 <aleth> or those "connection reset by peer"s...
20:31:55 <flo-retina1> I would really like a debug log for them! :)
20:32:14 <flo-retina1> just to know if it's my connection that's awful
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20:33:42 <clokep_work> flo-retina1: Unless he changed it (like Mook does).
20:34:11 * clokep_work wonders if he gets them when he breaks his SSH connection.
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20:38:24 * clokep_work doubts mcon ley is using JS-IRC since he isn't responding to version pings. ;)
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20:38:42 <clokep_work> Ah, now I got them.
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20:38:46 <clokep_work> He's using LimeChat.
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20:38:56 <clokep_work> "LimeChat for Mac 2.33"
20:39:02 * flo-retina thinks that assuming real people behave like Mook isn't a valid assumption :-P
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20:44:08 * flo-retina wonders if it's the wind that prevents him from staying online :-S
20:44:42 <DGMurdockIII> http://funpidgin.sourceforge.net/
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20:44:55 <DGMurdockIII> wow i thougt they diddied off
20:45:01 <DGMurdockIII> died off*
20:45:03 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: Please do not post links without explanations.
20:45:33 <DGMurdockIII> carrier A user-driven fork of Pidgin
20:45:41 <DGMurdockIII> that what the link was for 
20:45:53 <DGMurdockIII> i thougt it was dead long time ago
20:46:09 <flo-retina> "Carrier development slowed down over the past couple years." :-D
20:46:22 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: But why do we care?
20:46:33 <flo-retina> "There is a fairly recent build of Carrier on SourceForge (2.10.1), but it is not compiled."
20:47:06 <DGMurdockIII> i tryed to get them them to help you guys instead of duplcating the work 
20:50:29 <clokep_work> I see.
20:52:26 <aleth> "This message doesn't seem to be UTF-8 encoded: :gravel.mozilla.org 301 aleth Mic :Nicht verfügbar" <-- are we maybe not encoding away messages properly?
20:54:02 <Mic> VERSION Instantbird 1.4a1pre
20:54:33 <Mic> Could it be that it is because I'm running IB on a crappy old Win XP computer?
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20:56:40 <clokep_work> Mic: Possibly.
20:56:50 <clokep_work> aleth: Full messages are encoded, not just the text portions.
20:56:55 <aleth> Huh, that last-but-one message of Mic's even caused a parse error
20:58:06 <clokep_work> Hmm....yeah. a CTCP error?
20:58:08 <flo-retina> Mic: "UTF-8,ISO-8859-1" doesn't look like a valid charset name to me
20:58:16 <EionRobb> Parse error: "running IB on a crappy old Win XP computer" :P
21:00:05 <clokep_work> Mic: Check your character encoding under the advanced properties of the account?
21:00:22 <Mic> Fixed.
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21:01:17 <clokep_work> :)
21:01:30 <Mic> Ah, it's indeed in the advanced options ... I used about:config instead :D
21:02:07 <flo-retina> about:config voids your warranty :-P
21:02:22 <Mic> I'll be careful, I promise!
21:02:36 <flo-retina> :)
21:02:40 <aleth> :D
21:07:47 * clokep_work wonders why his buddy list isn't in alphabetical order anymore. :(
21:08:07 <flo-retina> maybe it's sorted by status? :-)
21:08:30 <clokep_work> Yes, but the secondary sorting is alphabetical!
21:08:44 * clokep_work saw some "element is null" errors earlier... :(
21:08:49 <flo-retina> :(
21:09:05 <clokep_work> No STR.
21:09:11 <flo-retina> of course
21:09:19 <flo-retina> otherwise you would have already filed a bug ;)
21:10:29 <clokep_work> Probably.
21:10:37 <clokep_work> aleth: Could you file a bug about the parser handler?
21:10:42 <clokep_work> I cleared my error console already. :-[
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21:12:30 <clokep_work> (Or even just give me the error.)
21:12:36 <clokep_work> (Via pastebin or something.)
21:14:19 <Mic> clokep_work: I could change the encoding back and send the message again?
21:15:25 <clokep_work> Mic: I don't think it has to do w/ encoding.
21:16:46 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1867 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
21:16:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1867 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, CTCP parse error
21:17:24 <Mic> What did you see btw?
21:17:57 <Mic> instantbot logged "VERSION ...", and I'll upload a screenshot of what I really have sent.
21:18:00 <instantbot> Mic: Sorry, I've no idea what 'logged "VERSION ...", and I'll upload a screenshot of what I really have sent' might be.
21:18:23 <aleth> Uh, that's strange, instantbot logging that.
21:18:44 <clokep_work> Stuff is dying while trying to parse the \u0001.
21:18:50 <clokep_work> When it should be totally ignored here.
21:19:00 <clokep_work> Oh wait... maybe that's not true....
21:19:07 <clokep_work> I think CTCP can be encoded anywhere inside of a message.
21:19:11 <clokep_work> (Stupid stupid stupid IRC.)
21:20:20 <aleth> Right, so we display everything but the encoded bit.
21:21:24 <Mic> http://i.imgur.com/bsqCq2G.png
21:23:21 <Mic> I should have read the bug report first as it seems.
21:23:22 <clokep_work> Thanks.
21:25:24 <clokep_work> Anyway, time to go and beat the snow.
21:25:29 <clokep_work> Goodnight. :)
21:26:06 <Mic> Bye!
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21:47:20 <EionRobb> doesn't  \u0001 mean bold or something?
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22:08:06 * douglaswth really wants the Simple theme to have "white-space: pre-wrap"
22:08:14 <douglaswth> should I fork it?
22:10:58 <Mic> douglaswth: what does this do? Maybe we'd want to have that by default?
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22:12:14 <douglaswth> it only makes sense if you have a monospace font, but if there are multiple spaces they don't get collapsed into one space, so if you paste a code block into a chat you can see it how you formatted it
22:13:57 <douglaswth> it looks like the json logging at least preserves the spaces
22:15:37 <EionRobb> not just for monospace font
22:15:43 <douglaswth> although, maybe all chat themes should probably have it set actually, if someone sends you something with a lot of spaces, they probably meant you to see that there were lots of spaces
22:17:44 <EionRobb>                                    yep                                   :)
22:18:09 <flo-retina> douglaswth: are you talking about bug 898?
22:18:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=898 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Copying text from conversations removes leading indent
22:18:28 <aleth> douglaswth: pre-wrap is already the default http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/themes/conv.css#6
22:18:54 <flo-retina> EionRobb: how difficult is it to support okcupid in a protocol plugin? (how does it compare to Omegle? :-D)
22:19:07 <EionRobb> similar :)
22:19:11 <EionRobb> its http-based
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22:19:23 <flo-retina> so it's completely trivial with a protocol that makes sense?
22:19:49 <EionRobb> yeah, the okcupid protocol is really good.  the devs are really nice too :)
22:20:02 <flo-retina> I may be willing to try
22:20:10 <douglaswth> flo-retina: not really, I'm talking about the conversation window itself not showing the spaces
22:20:24 <EionRobb> they had their protocol docs available in a wiki at one stage... but they moved their host and I haven't been able to find it again
22:21:11 <EionRobb> flo-retina: sounds fun :)  lemme know if I can help
22:21:43 <aleth> douglaswth: I think Simple is actually the only message style for which this does not work, by a quirk of fate
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22:22:02 <douglaswth> aleth: :(, can that be fixed then?
22:22:09 <aleth> douglaswth: but I am not sure
22:22:36 <flo-retina> aleth: does it work on Bubbles?
22:22:38 <aleth> Have you tried it with other themes? I'm just guessing based on Simple being so, well, simple, there might be some CSS missing
22:22:58 <aleth> flo-retina: as far as I can tell, yes
22:23:17 * Mic never liked how wrapped lines mess up the Simple theme.
22:23:18 <flo-retina> EionRobb: is the best doc to reverse engineer your plugin? Or is there something else to look at?
22:23:32 <Mic> (imo the names should have their own column)
22:23:44 <EionRobb> flo-retina: yeah, looking at the source is the only docs at the moment :(
22:24:03 <EionRobb> flo-retina: happy to relicense to you under some other license so you don't have to "reverse engineer" it :P
22:24:06 <flo-retina> EionRobb: is it the same protocol that's used on the website (and that I could look at with Firebug)?
22:24:16 <EionRobb> not sure
22:24:21 <EionRobb> I don't believe so
22:24:41 <EionRobb> there's a bit more to it, in terms of http headers to say you're using the api, and what version of the api you use
22:25:12 <aleth> douglaswth: If you can confirm it works with other default message styles, it's definitely a bug
22:25:34 <EionRobb> flo-retina: I started off with just using firebug/equiv. and they got in touch and said "want to use something more official" :)
22:29:10 <douglaswth> ah ha! the problem is that it just doesn't show multiple spaces at the beginning of the message
22:29:24 <douglaswth> and apparently all of the themes act the same in this regard
22:29:37 <douglaswth>                           <- a lot of spaces ->                  #
22:30:13 <douglaswth> what I typed: "                          <- a lot of spaces ->                  #"
22:31:18 <douglaswth> aleth: ^
22:31:24 <aleth> That does sound rather like the bug flo linked above...
22:31:52 <flo-retina> well, the bug I linked to was specifically about the serializer used by magic copy
22:32:07 <flo-retina> but the bug I intended to link to (and didn't find apparently) is what douglaswth is describing
22:33:13 <aleth> Ah, I thought you had linked to the one you intended to link to ;)
22:34:05 <aleth> I can't find it either though.
22:36:42 <flo-retina> I'm pretty sure Mook complained about it a while ago, and I (we?) more or less promised to fix it
22:36:57 <flo-retina> but I've never stumbled on a valid fix :-/
22:39:07 <EionRobb> so many promises, so little file transfers :P
22:39:14 <flo-retina> ahah :)
22:39:44 <flo-retina> so is the best way to get a hand on the API doc to email someone?
22:40:17 <EionRobb> lemme get onto them through the sources I have first, if you like
22:40:29 <EionRobb> you can start with the code in the prpl, if you like :)
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22:50:03 <flo-retina> is there a session cookie? :-/
22:53:37 <flo-retina> the only non standard header seems to be X-OkCupid-Api-Version: 1
23:02:05 <EionRobb> yeah, there's that bit or you can use a GET parameter to specify version
23:02:11 <EionRobb> they also ask for a nice user-agent, iirc
23:02:16 <EionRobb> yes, there's a session cookie
23:06:19 <flo-retina> sessions cookies are difficult to handle for us
23:06:30 <flo-retina> well, only if we care about the user being able to connect to multiple accounts at once
23:06:58 <EionRobb> oh.  that's weird
23:07:07 <EionRobb> what if you make it a 'custom' header?
23:07:41 <flo-retina> so you mean overriding the cookie header for each outgoing request?
23:07:45 <EionRobb> yeah
23:07:49 <flo-retina> I guess we could try
23:08:13 <Mook_as> I think you might be able to deal with it in newer mozillas
23:08:40 <Mook_as> stuff needed for isolating sessions from different private browsing contexts or something
23:08:55 <flo-retina> ah, maybe :)
23:09:06 <flo-retina> that's in very recent mozillas then
23:09:44 <Mook_as> extremely; I don't think it's released yet.
23:10:00 <Mook_as> or you can do crazy hacks that gmail manager does...
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23:30:07 <clokep> EionRobb: Did you try archive.org on the URL to the documentation?
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23:31:37 * clokep wonders what makes flo interested in OKCupid suddenyl. :P
23:31:53 <douglaswth> LOL
23:33:01 <flo-retina> clokep: that's definitely because I'm spending my evenings installing a floating floor, isn't it? :-P
23:33:30 * clokep wonders what makes the floor float...
23:34:14 <flo-retina> pff :-P
23:35:38 <flo-retina> I'm not sure I agree with marking bug 1134 a dupe of bug 1732
23:35:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1134 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Don't always create new log file on opening a the conversation
23:35:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1732 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Port the log tree and concatenated daily logs from TB
23:36:45 <clokep> I don't think I do either.
23:39:11 * flo-retina commented but didn't de-dupe
23:39:21 <flo-retina> and I was wondering if we were going to mid-air there
23:41:03 <clokep> Nope. :)
23:43:46 <flo-retina> in https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=2211, how come some lines of "January 2012" have the date+time and others only have the date?
23:45:30 <Mic> aleth explained that the ones with times are text logs which weren't merged into "day logs".
23:48:47 <flo-retina> Mic: that doesn't explain the lack of time on the second 01/03/2012 line then (https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=2211)
23:49:07 <flo-retina> except maybe if aleth used that profile on a nightly and a release build the same day :-S
23:50:37 <flo-retina> anyway, good night! :)
23:50:43 <Mic> JSON logs landed 13 month ago, that's beginning of 2012
23:51:39 <Mic> So maybe he tried both an old and new nightly the same day, but I guess you'll need to ask him
23:51:50 <flo-retina> it's still strange that there's a JSON and a text log for the same day, and that the JSON log seems older
23:51:56 <Mic> Or maybe that's when he updated
23:52:40 <flo-retina> I just hope it's not sorted alphanumerically on the displayed string
23:53:15 <Mic> good night
23:53:24 <Mic> Check the code?
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23:56:11 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cleared the Resolution 'DUPLICATE' from bug 1134.
23:56:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1134 enh, --, ---, nobody, REOP, Don't always create new log file on opening a the conversation
23:56:47 <EionRobb> clokep: no, the docs were behind a password
23:57:09 <clokep> EionRobb: And you didn't download them? Shame on you. ;)