#instantbird log on 01 07 2013

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09:38:32 <GeekShadow> hello
09:38:51 <GeekShadow> happy new year and stuff
09:40:16 <GeekShadow> I was wondering if IB will support WebRTC and how it will work
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09:48:02 <flo-retina> GeekShadow: Currently Instantbird is based on gecko 17. WebRTC won't be ready until at least gecko 20, and maybe 21.
09:49:11 <flo-retina> GeekShadow: once it's based on a gecko supporting webrtc, we may be able to implement jingle support (voice/video calls, and P2P file transfer) for our xmpp protocol.
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10:09:42 <GeekShadow> flo-retina: so it rely on XMPP, will it need a server or will it be possible to do like Bonjour (based on network discovery) ?
10:10:57 <flo-retina> Bonjour is XMPP over the local network.
10:11:36 <flo-retina> GeekShadow: we need a way to negociate the connection parameters to establish a video stream and a P2P connection.
10:16:45 <GeekShadow> ok
10:17:29 <flo-retina> so it should be possible to use jingle over Bonjour
10:17:54 <flo-retina> although our current Bonjour protocol plugins isn't implemented in JS, so we are unlikely to hack it soon ;).
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11:46:32 <flo-retina> I may need some help in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=827092
11:46:53 <flo-retina> the proposed solution feels r-, but the problem seems real and I don't have a good suggestion to offer.
11:48:00 <clokep> flo-retina: Isn't the way he's doing it not extensible? I.e. a protocol in an extension.
11:48:15 <clokep> (Or at the very least it makes it a bit more annoying / harder.)
11:48:15 <flo-retina> clokep: right. That's my r- comment
11:48:33 <flo-retina> clokep: but the way we are doing it is not extensible either, (from a theme developer point of view)
11:49:30 <clokep> Are the protocols icons meant to be themeable?
11:51:01 <flo-retina> from our point of view, no
11:51:07 <flo-retina> from a theme author, likely ;)
11:52:55 <clokep> Haha. :)
11:58:11 <clokep> I'll see if I can think of a suggestion though.
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12:00:13 <flo-retina> I f-'ed already
12:00:17 <flo-retina> I hope my comment there is helpful
12:06:22 <GeekShadow> flo-retina: didn't dig much on Bonjour but it seems like the only implementation on Windows/Mac OS X is Apple software
12:06:45 <GeekShadow> I mean there is no avahi for those systems ?
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12:17:05 <flo-retina> GeekShadow: avahi may work there too, but the official Apple implementation is useable, so I suspect most developers use it
12:17:38 <flo-retina> GeekShadow: on Mac the Apple library is directly on the system, so we can just link to it
12:18:06 <flo-retina> GeekShadow: on Windows it's slightly more annoying, as people need to install it and accept an Apple license agreement :-/
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12:47:05 <clokep_work> flo-retina, GeekShadow: I don't think Avahi compiles on Windows, at least not when I looked into it.
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14:06:37 <GeekShadow> flo-retina, clokep_work maybe once avahi is available on Windows maybe you can ship it with instantbird ?
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14:07:17 <GeekShadow> Bonjour is great, but never find alternative to Apple implementation
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14:13:08 <clokep_work> GeekShadow: "if" it is ever available. I don't see what benefit we'd have from switching away from the Apple implementation though.
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14:18:01 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Is bug 827092 something someone really cares about or is he trying to optimize a random theoretical use case?
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14:19:01 <flo-retina> He's trying to 1. fix the display of chat/ icons on retina screens. 2. Slightly improve the situation for theme authors if it's possible to do both at once.
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14:42:51 <Optimize1> I've got an idea
14:43:16 <Optimize1> why doesn't the messages start loading in the opposite manner?
14:43:25 <Optimize1> so that the latest message gets visible the first
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14:47:58 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I see. I don't like the suggestion of having a protocol author need to include a CSS file too, I've had issues with doing stylesheet overrides...
14:48:31 <flo-retina> well, I could accept the prpl author having to provide a css file
14:48:54 <flo-retina> the problem is, we would then have one CSS file per protocol plugin. How would these files be included by the UI?
14:49:46 <flo-retina> and I don't want each prpl loaded as add-on to have to include a "style ..." line in the chrome.manifest file for each window needing icons of both Tb and Ib.
14:50:11 <flo-retina> (that would cause all prpl addons to become obsolete each time a new window needs to use prpl icons)
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14:50:30 <flo-retina> (and would make it almost impossible for a XUL add-on to use these icons)
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14:57:03 <clokep_work> Yes, I agree.
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17:12:38 <Ghodrat> hello there
17:13:36 <Ghodrat> ciao/hello/salam
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17:14:01 <Ghodrat> I wanted to contribute in instantbird for localaization
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17:15:13 <Ghodrat> can anybody help me?
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17:18:20 <Ghodrat> helloooooooooo
17:19:23 <clokep_work> Ghodrat: We're not all sitting in here all the time.
17:19:28 <clokep_work> Did you read the FAQ about localization?
17:19:38 <clokep_work> What language are you interested in? :)
17:19:50 <Optimizer> We need Latin
17:21:59 <clokep_work> Ghodrat: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Translation is the page I was talkign about.
17:28:27 <Ghodrat> clokep_work: I am Iranian, I want to develop Persian Language 
17:30:41 <clokep_work> Ghodrat: Cool, I don't think we've had anyone work on that.
17:31:30 <clokep_work> Ghodrat: I'd read over that page (and in particular I'd email us to set up the repository), I don't think flo-retina is around right now, who is the one that has to do it.
17:31:58 <flo-retina> clokep_work: hello ;)
17:32:29 <flo-retina> Ghodrat: isn't Persian a language written from right to left?
17:39:10 <Ghodrat> clokep_work: sorry I was busy with writing email
17:39:30 <Ghodrat> clokep_work: I sent my email about FA or persian language
17:40:11 <Ghodrat> yes, the persian language is look like arabic,(arabic come from Persian :D) 
17:40:33 <Ghodrat> It's right to left: RTL
17:41:04 <clokep_work> Cool.
17:41:16 <Ghodrat> how much the size of the code?
17:41:18 <clokep_work> There might be some bugs in Instantbird with a RTL language, but it'd be great if we could fix them if you find any. :)
17:41:39 <clokep_work> The code is available on hg.instantbird.org/instantbird (you can also view it on lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird)
17:41:43 <Ghodrat> I didnt read the manul carfully :D which language are u using Python or C/C++?
17:42:22 <Ghodrat> that will my please to work in this application
17:43:44 <clokep_work> To do a translation you don't have to write any code, it's all done via properties files (well that and a basic XML format).
17:44:05 <clokep_work> Most of Instantbird is written in JavaScript, C++, CSS and XUL.
17:44:49 <Ghodrat> ok, good
17:45:50 <Ghodrat> I am reading this page :
17:45:51 <Ghodrat> https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Creating_a_new_localization_(Mercurial)
17:47:28 <Ghodrat> also about the bug: I am sure at least there is some bug for RTL :D
17:47:55 <Ghodrat> do you want to bet on it? ;)
17:49:21 <clokep_work> Well there's at least bug 1600.
17:49:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1600 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, RTL messages on the receiver side
17:50:13 <Ghodrat> clokep_work: I just kidding 
17:51:06 <Ghodrat> did you receive my email?
17:51:11 <flo-retina> yes
17:51:53 <Ghodrat> flo-retina: excellent, I am very glad 
17:52:26 <flo-retina> if you find any RTL specific bug, please report it and include a screenshot in the bug report, to ensure we understand what's wrong
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17:54:13 <Ghodrat> ok,sure
17:54:58 <Ghodrat> i am trying to download an install it in Fedora16
17:55:32 <Ghodrat> our Internet here is too slow 512kb/s
17:55:33 <Ghodrat> :D
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18:06:32 <flo-retina> Ghodrat: the username you specified in your latest email doesn't match the IRC nick you are currently using, is that intended?
18:11:25 <Ghodrat> now I will change my nick name
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18:12:25 <Ghodrat> flo-retina: 
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18:14:34 <gnaderi> flo-retina: I change it 
18:14:34 <gnaderi> :D
18:14:43 <flo-retina> :)
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18:26:29 <Mook_as> ooh, crash-stats has no stats. (Was only going there to show somebody else what soccoro looks like, though, no need to fix in a hurry)
18:27:03 <flo-retina> Mook_as:  I don't think we can fix anything on that mess website
18:27:18 <Mook_as> heh
18:27:23 <flo-retina> Mook_as: we just need to know that the homepage (ie the only non-broken page) is http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/query
18:28:05 <flo-retina> and that you need to select "Instantbird" by hand in the "Product" column before clicking "Filter Crash Reports", otherwise you will get a list of reports, but clicking a specific report won't work
18:28:05 <Mook_as> ah, so it's not actually useless. good enough :D
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18:40:06 <gnaderi> first time of using instantbird :D
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18:50:29 <flo-retina> gnaderi: so you know you want to localize it before even testing it?
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18:58:53 <gnaderi> flo-retina: I just hear about it 5houre ago in #java channel , I go there and I found that I can paticipate it :D
18:59:24 <gnaderi> flo-retina: somebody put the a link about this project in the #java and gone 
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19:01:25 <clokep_work> I wonder why someone would put this in #java. :-S
19:01:37 <gnaderi> flo-retina: I am testing it now ;)
19:01:51 <gnaderi> clokep_work: me too 
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19:02:35 <gnaderi> tobago left the room (quit: Quit: Instantbird 1.3 -- http://www.instantbird.com).
19:02:52 <gnaderi> clokep_work: I just saw it hear :D
19:03:44 <gnaderi> clokep_work: I click on the link and I got here :D
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21:00:47 <flo-retina> ah, so the default quit message is actually useful :)
21:01:14 <clokep_work> flo-retina: What?
21:01:41 <flo-retina> clokep_work: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today#m375
21:01:49 <clokep_work> Ah, I just understand what was meant by that!
21:01:59 <rosonline> kkkk I'm think the same
21:02:03 <clokep_work> Doh, I missed the line that said it was a quit message. :)
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