#instantbird log on 12 03 2012

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03:35:56 <instant-buildbot> build #700 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/700
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12:59:03 <flo-retina> We desperately need something more useful to search in our logs :(
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13:02:42 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Grep isn't working well for you? ;)
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13:03:17 <flo-retina> clokep_work: no :(
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13:03:27 <flo-retina> I was looking for something about resizing
13:03:47 <flo-retina> so I searched for "resiz" so that it could match "resizing" and "resize". It didn't find any result
13:03:56 <flo-retina> turns out the conversation contained "tweak the size" :(
13:04:03 * Mic has a lot of very annoying "account is null" errors on startup :(
13:04:15 <flo-retina> Mic: messed up blist.sqlite file?
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13:05:10 <Mic> Maybe ... there were also prefs for this non-existent (read this as does not appear in the account manager) account.
13:05:58 <flo-retina> oh, maybe just unknown protocol plugins then?
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13:07:04 <Mic> I suspected an disabled protocol plugin first but it seemed to be a (duplicated) Facebook account.
13:07:44 <Mic> We should add a bit of extra information to the error here: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/file/b48fcdc0f612/chat/components/src/imContacts.js#l1238
13:07:46 <flo-retina> that has a nice potential for messing things up too
13:08:04 <Mic> Something like "accountId, buddyId, tagId" + error message.
13:12:14 * clokep_work wonders who instantbird is. :P
13:14:15 <flo-retina> clokep_work: same IP as 'cornelius'
13:14:26 <instantbird> me
13:14:51 <instantbird> how to set the name?
13:15:09 <clokep_work> You can change your nick with /nick.
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13:16:02 <look> thanks
13:18:41 <Mic> clokep_work: when changing the error message logged to the console at this place in imContacts.js, should I also use the same message for the following dump() call?
13:19:39 <flo-retina> yes
13:19:45 <Mic> OK, thanks
13:19:47 <flo-retina> or use an ERROR from imXPCOMUtils
13:25:09 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Do we have any idea what the report in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817389 means? :-
13:25:11 <clokep_work> :-S
13:25:47 <flo-retina> clokep_work: it means "please show contact groups in Thunderbird's Chat UI."
13:25:57 <flo-retina> I think it's WONTFIX, but it's a UX decision
13:28:36 <clokep_work> Ohhh, right. I forgot the groups weren't shown. :)
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15:59:09 <clokep_work> Hmm... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817596 sounds like something that was fixed recently?
16:03:16 <flo-retina> sounds more like something that should be fixed soon ;)
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16:05:07 * clokep_work shrugs.
16:05:19 <clokep_work> I was more curious why he typed in the Facebook stuff manually instead of using the Facebook option...
16:06:59 <flo-retina> clokep_work: there's a problem at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/xmpp/xmpp-authmechs.jsm#88
16:07:04 <flo-retina> it seems the value can contain "="
16:11:06 <clokep_work> I see...
16:14:09 <flo-retina> I would like to see what the spec says. If it's that broken, it's surprising that we didn't run into it earlier
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16:45:02 <flo-retina> clokep_work: nothing in that bug report makes me think he entered the facebook stuff manually. I think the part about facebook in that description just says "but other XMPP-based accounts work fine in my Thunderbird, so my build isn't broken."
16:45:16 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Did you look at the screenshot?
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16:45:38 <flo-retina> aaah!
16:45:47 <flo-retina> I did, but not at that part of the screenshot.
16:46:09 <flo-retina> then I guess he was just copying the settings he had for his accounts in Pidgin ;)
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17:33:11 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1845 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
17:33:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1845 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Message notifications do not take /me into account
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17:34:34 * clokep_work thinks action should be a message flag, not parsed from the /me at the beginning...
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17:37:14 <flo-retina> clokep_work: do you mean you want to change both the IRC and the XMPP specs? :)
17:38:16 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I'm talking about once the message hit Instantbird. Not how it is sent over the network.
17:38:23 <clokep_work> (IRC doesn't send it as /me anyway.)
17:39:30 <MMN-o> *jumps straight in*
17:40:06 <MMN-o> Yes, there are times you might want to send /me in the beginning of a text without being interpreted as an action
17:40:25 <flo-retina> clokep_work: ah
17:40:36 <flo-retina> clokep_work: well, for XMPP it's really /me in the middle of the HTML of the message :(
17:43:40 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Oh, is it really? That's...crappy. Do we handle that well?
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17:44:05 <flo-retina> clokep_work: we handle it in the message theme system
17:44:10 <clokep_work> MMN-o: I think two slashes works.
17:44:37 <flo-retina> clokep_work: see http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0245.html#xhtml
17:44:38 <clokep_work> Uhh...apparently not, is that supposed to work? :-S
17:45:00 <flo-retina> (and notice that it wasn't published on April first ;))
17:46:00 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I'm confused what you're saying then. :-/
17:46:07 <clokep_work> Why we couldn't pass it as a flag internally?
17:46:35 <clokep_work> I think it would be cleaner for a prpl to handle this and set the action message flag, then to have the UI handle it.
17:46:41 <MMN-o> clokep_work: I meant if a foreign user sends a message, it shouldn't be interpreted as such on receiving end. (using /me as a _command_ is fine)
17:46:42 <flo-retina> clokep_work: are you saying that we should parse  <p style='color:green'>/me shrugs in disgust</p> at the prpl level to remove the "/me " from it?
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17:47:19 <clokep_work> flo-retina: That was what I was suggesting, yes.
17:47:57 <flo-retina> that may be possible, I guess
17:48:03 <flo-retina> I'm trying to remember why we didn't do it that way.
17:48:17 <flo-retina> possibly because we did like libpurple, as we were using its prpls
17:48:30 <clokep_work> That is my guess.
17:48:53 * clokep_work thinks this code is stupid: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/irc/ircCTCP.jsm#123
17:49:29 <flo-retina> a bit, but it's not too horrible
17:49:48 <clokep_work> It's using a string as an API. :(
17:50:30 <clokep_work> But I'm not heartset on it.
17:50:38 <clokep_work> Just something I thought of while filing that bug for a friend. ;)
17:50:58 <flo-retina> we should just fix that notification code
17:51:05 <flo-retina> I suspect it deals poorly with HTML too
17:51:09 <flo-retina> or maybe we fixed that
17:51:20 <flo-retina> anyway, it should just copy what the message theme code does
17:51:37 <flo-retina> or even better, get the message theme code to pretty print the message to plain/text for it
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17:56:20 <clokep_work> Mmmhmm. I wasn't suggesting doing it as part of that bug.
17:56:25 <clokep_work> Just something related that annoys me. :D
17:57:00 <clokep_work> Although the nice thing about doing it our current way...I can send messages that start w/ /me on protocols that have no knowledge of that and it still works if the other person is uing Instantbird. ;)
17:57:10 <flo-retina> I'm not strongly against changing that, but I feel there are lots of more annoying itches to scratch in our APIs
17:57:12 <clokep_work> MMN-o: If you think there's a bug in the way we handle /me, file one.
17:57:44 <flo-retina> clokep_work: it's possibly a reason why it's done that way
17:57:59 <flo-retina> clokep_work: but prpls could have a flag saying they do support it themselves
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17:58:15 <flo-retina> (would defeat the code simplification goal of the change though)
17:58:51 <clokep_work> Right.
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18:03:20 <Mook_as> hrm. how do I send a message in IRC that starts with a slash (in tbird)?
18:04:03 <Mook_as> ctrl, alt, and shift all just makes a new line in the textbox (for multiline messages), not send it as a literal
18:04:31 <Mook_as> ah, /raw works. (and /raw /me does indeed get styled as an action)
18:07:49 <flo-retina> Mook_as: of course it does!
18:08:05 <Mook_as> there's your bug :p
18:08:06 <flo-retina> Mook_as: but only locally. Well, only on Instantbird, Thunderbird, and libpurple based clients
18:08:13 <flo-retina> + all other clients that behave this way
18:09:16 <clokep_work> Mook_as: /say is the proper way to ignore command processing.
18:09:42 <flo-retina> Mook_as: /raw is to ignore HTML escaping I think.
18:10:11 <clokep_work> Or just "/ " it seems.
18:10:23 <clokep_work> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/conversation.xml#256
18:10:33 * clokep_work wonders if those should be made into commands so they show up in /help.
18:10:47 <clokep_work> Oh wait, they're in there already. :)
18:10:56 <Mook_as> and yes, sometimes I cheat at bug-finding by understanding what the code does before building a test case ;)
18:18:25 <clokep_work> :P
18:18:34 <clokep_work> I always forget how to do it too, by the way.
18:20:21 <flo-retina> I always just insert a space at the beginning of the message when I need it.
18:20:33 <flo-retina> that also avoids /me being displayed as an action message btw
18:21:01 <clokep_work> Which is what he was trying to test, I think. :-D
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19:09:49 <flo-retina> clokep_work: is it intentional that we show a system message saying "gravel.mozilla.org changed the channel password to <password in clear>" when joining a password protected channel?
19:10:20 <clokep_work> flo-retina: When joining? No, it should only show that if the password was changed.
19:10:35 <flo-retina> it's displayed on join
19:10:52 <flo-retina> just before "20:08:45 - Channel mode +snrRzk set by gravel.mozilla.org."
19:13:49 <clokep_work> OK.
19:14:05 <clokep_work> So your question has a few parts, is it shown in the clear on purpose? Yes.
19:14:23 <clokep_work> Is it expected to be shown on join? Not really, but we request the mode on join.
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19:23:02 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I can summarize my question: "Is there something we want to change to that behavior?", or even shorter, "should I file a bug?" ;)
19:24:34 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I don't ever join password protected channels, if oyu think the behavior is strange, then please do.
19:25:02 <clokep_work> flo-retina: (My other question would be, the password is the same one that you just used to join, correct? In that case...there's almost definitely a bug.)
19:27:27 <flo-retina> clokep_work: yes, it's the password I used to join
19:27:28 <flo-retina> it happens both when typing |/join #channel password| and when autojoining
19:28:05 <flo-retina> and yes, I think the behavior is strange. But I also find it strange to display "20:08:45 - Channel mode +snrRzk set by gravel.mozilla.org."
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19:29:59 <clokep_work> It is being shown because if a password is set while you're in the room, we want to notify the user of that.
19:31:05 <flo-retina> The message should maybe say "This channel is password protected." then?
19:32:11 <clokep_work> ...how is the user going to know the new password? :-S
19:32:49 <flo-retina> it's the one the user used to join ;)
19:33:13 <clokep_work> I don't think you're fully undrestanding what I'm saying.
19:33:29 <clokep_work> I already said it is a bug to show it if the password wasn't changed.
19:33:59 <clokep_work> If the password differs, we should be showing that message.
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19:35:07 <clokep_work> I don't think we have to show anything if the password doesn't change.
19:35:15 <clokep_work> It could be nice to have an icon showing it is password protected though. :)
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20:38:23 <flo-retina> clokep_work: btw, rosonline asked me the other day when we are going to publish the blog post he drafted. Are you going to take care of this, or should I go look into it (or at least stick it relatively near the top of my todo list)?
20:39:08 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I had no idea that was on a todo list somewhere at all. :)
20:39:40 <flo-retina> I don't think we have ever organized a blogging todo list ;)
20:39:40 <clokep_work> If rosonline sends me a link to it, I can take a look at it, make sure it looks good and then publish it.
20:40:01 * clokep_work thought the blogging todo list was clokep going "Oh crap, we haven't blogged in a while.."
20:40:12 <EionRobb> lol
20:40:58 <rosonline> Hello! I resend the Link
20:41:05 * flo-retina likes that it's a way to handle blogging todo lists that doesn't require any intervention from him
20:41:54 <rosonline> clokep_work: There's a link to post at Etherpad - http://openetherpad.org/DTewVBkONu
20:43:15 <flo-retina> the first sentence needs updating
20:43:59 <flo-retina> that post probably needs a link to the ib.org page
20:44:13 <flo-retina> and maybe say that since 1.0 the website is also localized
20:45:11 <rosonline> flo-retina: Point me where I should be change
20:46:13 <flo-retina> this post is in American, so it will be read by people who don't 'need' localized versions of Instantbird (even though they may like to use localized software).  So the main message is "we care about everybody" and "if you want to help us reach more people, you will be welcome"
20:47:12 <EionRobb> "this post is in American"  north or south?
20:47:14 * flo-retina is trying to decide if that http://fossa.inria.fr/en conference is worth attending.
20:47:21 <rosonline> kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
20:47:38 <rosonline> EionRobb: LOLOLOLOL
20:47:45 <flo-retina> EionRobb: British Americans :-P.
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20:47:53 <EionRobb> ;)
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20:50:40 <rosonline> flo-retina: I get your idea, but How do we write this post to people that don't have a available language?
20:54:24 * clokep_work needs to remember how to add an author to the bog.
20:54:25 <clokep_work> blog
20:55:37 <EionRobb> and to the bog
20:57:02 <rosonline> EionRobb:Is There any way to translate this post to unlocalizated languages?
20:57:16 <EionRobb> google translate?
20:57:27 <rosonline> or maybe, share this idea to bloggers
20:57:54 <clokep_work> rosonline: The best way to reach unlocalized languages would probably be to get the link to Mozilla communites in other languages.
20:58:43 * clokep_work mumbles about not being listed on PMO anymore...
20:59:43 <rosonline> clokep_work: Well, Let's send this post to Mozilla and others languages communities...
21:01:33 <EionRobb> what's PMO?
21:01:35 <rosonline> Especiallity the ZW and TW languages
21:02:17 <clokep_work> EionRobb: planet.mozilla.org
21:02:41 <clokep_work> rosonline: It is also possible you could directly email those communities, if they exist.
21:02:57 <clokep_work> rosonline: We can get that put on our blog first and then take it from there. :)
21:04:21 <rosonline> Good... When will we publish the post ?
21:04:35 <clokep_work> rosonline: When I'm clokep and not _work.
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21:05:53 <rosonline> ok... and When is it happen? (time)
21:06:39 <clokep_work> I work until sometime between 4:30 and 6:30 Eastern time. I'm going to the gym today, I won't be home until 1830, the earliest, which is...4h30m from now.
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21:46:08 <Mook_as> huh. zw and tw... are those languages, or country codes?
21:51:08 <EionRobb> people speak sn or nd in zw
21:51:57 <Mook_as> (I mostly asked because there is, I believe, a .tw-related channel on this server somewhere)
21:52:53 <EionRobb> there doesn't appear to be a tw language code
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22:33:41 * flo-retina is writing r- comments for the bathroom project he was supposed to accept and sign last Friday.
22:33:49 <flo-retina> I think I prefer reviewing code!
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23:35:50 * clokep gives flo-retina some code to review instead. :P
23:41:44 <flo-retina> clokep: I already have wnayes' patch that I would like to test and land soon ;)
23:47:44 <flo-retina> I'm pondering finishing the email by saying that he should add a 10% discount because I dislike what he said last time (a one week additional delay), or keeping that as a surprise for the next time I meet the seller
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