#instantbird log on 11 29 2012

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00:05:26 <clokep> RongYao: You can enter comma separated channel names in the join channel, not space separated.
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00:07:58 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/82aeafd48d80 - aleth - Bug 1830 - Twitter parse error after reconnect caused by a stream error, r=fqueze.
00:07:59 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/b48fcdc0f612 - aleth - Bug 1839 - Don't log to console unless loglevel is set appropriately, r=fqueze.
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00:08:55 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1830 to FIXED.
00:08:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1830 nor, --, 1.4, aleth, RESO FIXED, Twitter parse error after reconnect caused by a stream error
00:09:16 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1839 to FIXED.
00:09:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1839 nor, --, 1.4, aleth, RESO FIXED, Don't log to console unless loglevel is set appropriately
00:09:46 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1838 to FIXED.
00:09:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1838 nor, --, 1.4, aleth, RESO FIXED, Missing account on ERROR call
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00:13:48 <flo> Good night
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00:49:18 <instant-buildbot> build #361 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/361
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04:25:57 topic changed by gravel.mozilla.org to "Ask about Instantbird (http://instantbird.com) here!|Current version is Instantbird 1.3! :) |News: http://blog.instantbird.org/ |Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (for testing only) |IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/ |Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org/ | Bugs: http://bugzilla.instantbird.org"
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10:14:42 <flo-retina> so git has no equivalent of hg revert <filename> ? :-S
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10:42:03 <Kerris1> Hi, is the below link presently the best way to disable emoticons?
10:42:03 <Kerris1> https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Not_so_FAQ#Disabling_a_smilie_.28textcode.29
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10:44:25 <flo-retina> Kerris: seems correct
10:44:51 <Kerris> Thanks flo-retina.
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11:24:14 <clokep> Good morning. :)
11:24:29 <flo-retina> hello :)
11:25:43 * clokep posted/ranted about typed arrays last night on his blog.
11:25:49 <clokep> But it also talks about OSCAR a bit if anyone is interested.
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11:26:52 * clokep had been hoping to try connecting yesterday. :(
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11:45:30 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 2142 on bug 1840.
11:45:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1840 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Errors in handlers lose their location information
11:48:09 <flo-retina> clokep: "hoping to try" means it wasn't as successful as expected? :-/
11:49:19 <clokep> flo-retina: Means I never even got to try. :(
11:49:39 <clokep> I spent a lot of time dealing with typed arrays...and trying to figure out the chain of md5s I need to connect.
11:50:31 <clokep>  / Trying to figure out the complicated dance to connect.
11:50:39 <clokep> I have a lot of the groundwork in place now though. :)
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11:51:22 <flo-retina> :)
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11:51:47 * clokep hopes his object generation is correct...
11:52:13 <clokep> The protocol is, ironically, simpler than IRC in a lot of ways. Probably because it doesn't have a billion subprotocols + extensions.
11:52:18 <clokep> Just a pain to deal w/ the binary.
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12:12:30 <Mic> Hello
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12:33:39 <Mic> d'oh, locked myself out of BIO: to many login attempts ;)
12:33:55 <Mic> *oo
12:33:59 <Mic> *too
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13:02:58 <clokep_work> Mic: I apparently can't do anything about that. :(
13:06:23 <flo-retina> I can change a password on BIO if needed, but if it's just a temporary 5 minutes lock out, maybe it's better to just wait
13:16:55 <clokep_work> Mmmm. Maybe. :)
13:17:12 <clokep_work> Ah-ha, my review queue is empty! :-D
13:17:24 * flo-retina is jealous
13:19:19 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Well half your review queue is probably SIPE. :P Since I requested review on like every patch...
13:20:40 <flo-retina> well, yes
13:20:52 <flo-retina> but it's more that my review queue hasn't been empty for years ;)
13:21:04 <flo-retina> and if I start emptying it, people feel it's a good opportunity to queue more things ;)
13:21:10 <flo-retina> (which isn't a bad thing in itself :))
13:21:23 <flo-retina> (I'm glad Instantbird receives patches :))
13:21:49 <clokep_work> Your queue isn't too too bad...
13:22:34 <flo-retina> yeah, it has improved recently :)
13:22:37 <clokep_work> Two of the f? have an f+ and r- from me already...
13:22:45 <flo-retina> I don't have a scrollbar anymore (thanks to the retina screen I guess :-D)
13:32:13 * clokep_work wonders if wnayes will have a chance to split up that patch soon. :-/
13:32:22 <clokep_work> I have more like partial review comments for it in a file.
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14:16:18 <clokep_work> flo-retina: You know, I tihnk my current version of the LJ Talk extension used overrides. :(
14:16:52 <flo-retina> do you mean there's a justification for having a maxVersion field in add-ons? ;)
14:17:20 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Yes. :) I have a JS-XMPP version.
14:17:24 <clokep_work> The cert is just invalid IIRC.
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15:24:33 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2143 on bug 1840.
15:24:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1840 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Errors in handlers lose their location information
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15:32:00 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1841 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
15:32:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1841 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add option to enable debug logging to Advanced preference pane
15:33:04 <clokep_work> aleth: Can you elaborate on what that bug means?
15:33:12 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1842 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
15:33:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1842 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add pref to set length of debug log.
15:33:38 <clokep_work> (also for reference if you say bug xyz comment xyz it'll link correctly. :))
15:34:16 <aleth> Oh, that's good to know, I would have done that.
15:35:01 <clokep_work> I'm not sure I like bug 1841.
15:35:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1841 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add option to enable debug logging to Advanced preference pane
15:35:34 <aleth> That's why I filed it ;)
15:37:40 <clokep_work> I mean, I guess that's how Thunderbird does their logging (you have to enable it.)
15:40:28 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1843 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
15:40:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1843 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add header containing build info etc when copying debug log
15:46:45 <clokep_work> Some of htat information is on about:support...which we did have a bug about customizing. :)
15:47:32 <aleth> But then you have to tell people how to open it...
15:55:06 <clokep_work> I know.
15:55:08 <clokep_work> I'm just saying.
15:55:22 <clokep_work> If we were to make a nice webpage of it...we could probably just include that whole page.
15:55:55 <aleth> Oh, you mean making the debug log format HTML?
15:56:22 <clokep_work> I think fl o mentioned that somewhere.
15:58:04 <aleth> Could add colours that way...
15:58:23 <aleth> Of course a viewer script of some sort could do that too.
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16:57:00 <flo-retina> clokep_work: what do you not like about bug 1841?
16:57:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1841 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add option to enable debug logging to Advanced preference pane
16:59:03 <flo-retina> aleth: thanks for filing these follow ups :)
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17:43:39 <clokep_work> flo-retina: It assumes that things are reproducible.
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18:02:03 <flo-retina> clokep_work: not really. It rather assumes that if someone hasn't talked to us at all before, by the time he talks to us and we ask for a debug log, already more than 50 messages would have been logged, so if it's not reproducible, the first time it happens would be lost anyway.
18:02:37 <flo-retina> that's of course debatable, but I think it makes sense.
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18:21:09 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I guess, and it assumes we're just going to have it turned on?
18:21:31 <flo-retina> I think people who are in #instantbird should have it on, yes
18:21:48 * clokep_work wonders about enabling it for nightly builds...
18:21:54 <flo-retina> (like I've been having the log level tweaked more or less all the time...)
18:21:55 <clokep_work> (And definitely for debug builds!)
18:22:05 <flo-retina> yes, it should be by default for debug builds
18:22:15 <flo-retina> how do you detect at run time that it's a nightly?
18:24:54 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I didn't say at run time.
18:25:22 <clokep_work> (But you could probably check for "pre" in the app version number)
18:25:44 <flo-retina> I'm reluctant to make nightlies behave differently from releases, as the release-only behavior will only be tested a few hours on RCs before we release it :-/
18:27:43 <Mook_as> <bad idea>have nightlies have a 50% chance of logging at startup</bad idea>
18:27:48 <aleth> I don't think it's too bad if we only need to tell each nightly user with a problem once.
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18:28:29 <flo-retina> and it's not a hard thing to teach, we are talking about a checkbox in the pref window, not going fishing in about:config
18:28:36 <aleth> It's not an audience that is afraid of ticking a checkbox ;)
18:29:23 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Fair enough.
18:29:33 <clokep_work> To be clear this is for the whole application, not per account, right? :)
18:29:41 <flo-retina> yes
18:29:54 <flo-retina> and it would also hide the "Copy Debug Log" menu item from the account context menu
18:30:53 <clokep_work> OK, sounds reasonable then. :)
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20:00:11 <wnayes> clokep_work: I've had the patch split for awhile now, but not enough changes to resubmit anything yet. :-/
20:01:20 <wnayes> If it would be more convenient, I could create the individual bugs for each client importer now so that you could get those comments posted. I just haven't bothered since they won't likely need review until the backend reviewing is finished.
20:03:43 <clokep_work> wnayes: Ah, I see. It could be useful to get them up (I think), but I don't want to create more work for you! It would be useful to have the smaller backend patch up though, I think. Are you waiting for review comments or are the reviewers waiting for you to make changes? :)
20:03:49 <clokep_work> (I want to make sure we're all on the smae page.)
20:05:57 <wnayes> Right now I have about half of the backend review comments addressed; the backend bug is bug 1705.
20:06:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1705 enh, --, ---, wnayes, ASSI, Implement the import wizard service and backend
20:07:57 <wnayes> clokep_work: Which clients did you have comments on? I can add the bug reports now so that you can post those up.
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20:24:28 <clokep_work> wnayes: I think it was GTalk?
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20:36:24 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1844 filed by wnayes@gmail.com.
20:36:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1844 enh, --, ---, wnayes, ASSI, Import accounts from the Google Talk client
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21:07:29 <clokep_work> Cool. :)
21:18:47 <clokep_work> Can we add this emoticon? orz
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22:08:36 <flo> clokep_work: which emotion?
22:09:49 <clokep_work> flo: orz   man hitting his head on the floor.
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22:11:49 <DGMurdockIII> are we going to see some windows 8 featurse built in to instantbird
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22:14:47 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: Sure, if you add them. ;)
22:14:54 <clokep_work> More seriously, I have no idea what you'd expect.
22:15:36 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.blinkux.com/metro/
22:16:13 <clokep_work> No, I asked what features you expected to have. I know what Metro is.
22:16:22 <DGMurdockIII> oh
22:17:16 <DGMurdockIII> do any of you use windows 8
22:17:56 <clokep_work> Yes.
22:18:05 <clokep_work> I use it, I don't have a touchscreen though.
22:18:14 <DGMurdockIII> do you use the firefox elm build
22:18:20 <clokep_work> No.
22:18:34 <DGMurdockIII> that how i was hoping it could work
22:19:12 * Mook_as was under the impression that only browsers get to be kinda-metro-kinda-not
22:19:16 <DGMurdockIII> it still work like firefox dose now on desktop
22:19:27 <clokep_work> Mook_as: I think so.
22:20:05 <DGMurdockIII> what about people on windows rt
22:20:29 <flo> I must be narrow minded, but I'm still hoping that someday DGMurdockIII will write full sentences starting with a capital letter and ending with some punctuation :-S.
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22:21:21 <DGMurdockIII> flo:  https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Windows_8_Integration
22:21:43 <flo> and stop pasting links without explaining what's interesting there.
22:22:12 <clokep_work> We will not support Windows RT until mozilla does, and even then...we'd need time.
22:23:03 <flo> and motivation! ;)
22:23:19 <clokep_work> Oh, that too. :-D
22:23:25 <DGMurdockIII> what about just a metro support 
22:23:33 * clokep_work doesn't plan to ever use Windows RT.
22:23:34 <DGMurdockIII> i'll link you to elm
22:23:52 <DGMurdockIII> so you can try that out and see what i mean
22:23:54 <clokep_work> I spend 95% of my time on the desktop...
22:24:08 <clokep_work> Not in the Metro UI.
22:24:19 <DGMurdockIII> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-elm/
22:24:21 <clokep_work> If someone wants to work on the Metro UI for Instantbird I will happily help them, review, try things out.
22:24:22 <DGMurdockIII> me to
22:24:24 <clokep_work> But I'm unlikely to do it myself.
22:24:32 <aleth> DGMurdockIII: Do you really need a fullscreen instant messenger?
22:24:36 * clokep_work just started a big project for Instantbird.
22:24:51 <DGMurdockIII> what that
22:25:11 <clokep_work> aleth: I find it obnoxious to do things full screen, which is why I don't love the Metro stuff.
22:25:51 <aleth> clokep_work: I agree, but for IM I can't even see why it would make sense in principle
22:26:11 <DGMurdockIII> what the huge project for instant you started
22:26:23 <aleth> People run their browsers maximized, but I doubt they do the same with Instantbird ;)
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22:29:45 <flo> "the Metro UI for Instantbird" doesn't that sound like a summer of code project?
22:30:09 <Mook_as> going by how long "the Metro UI for Firefox" is going, possibly not.
22:30:12 <aleth> Only if we have some idea of what that would mean
22:30:15 <Mook_as> multiple summers, maybe?
22:31:21 <flo> Mook_as: well, I mean, we should wait for Firefox to work there, and then just port it ;).
22:31:39 <Mook_as> heh
22:31:51 <Mook_as> (also, I use a maximized, umm, chat application.)
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22:38:38 <clokep_wp7> Mook_as full screen != maximized
22:39:52 <Mook_as> true. (also, I pretty much dedicate that monitor to chat...)
22:40:47 <clokep_wp7> True. :-
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23:57:59 <wnayes> flo: Did you get a chance to try out the prplIConversation startDate patch?
23:58:28 <flo> is it blocked on me? :-[
23:59:15 <wnayes> I wasn't sure if you wanted me to upload another patch with the single Math.round fix or not.