#instantbird log on 11 28 2012

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00:02:59 <clokep> So besides the new, are there other comments? :-D
00:04:30 <flo-retina> no(t really)
00:05:07 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2136 on bug 1827.
00:05:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1827 enh, --, ---, florian, NEW, Add an easy way to copy an account specific debug log
00:05:19 <flo-retina> are you rushing to unbitrot it before I'm asleep? ;)
00:08:57 <clokep> flo-retina: I already did, I just need to test it.
00:09:04 <clokep> (Was that a "remove the "new""?)
00:09:15 <clokep> Ah, I see the email.
00:14:06 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2138 on bug 1827.
00:14:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1827 enh, --, ---, florian, NEW, Add an easy way to copy an account specific debug log
00:15:45 <flo-retina> clokep: is this what you wanted with the const changes? http://pastebin.instantbird.com/107520
00:16:22 <clokep> flo-retina: Yes.
00:17:51 <flo-retina> actually it's the interdiff that I should have pastebined http://pastebin.instantbird.com/107521
00:19:26 <flo-retina> the names of the attachments in that bug are quite confusing
00:22:33 <clokep> Probably my fault, sorry. :(
00:22:49 <clokep> flo-retina: Yes, that looks good.
00:23:12 <flo-retina> you removed conversationErrorMessage from the exported symbols
00:23:26 <clokep> Doh. Bitrot indeed.
00:24:13 <clokep> Want a new patch or?
00:24:39 <flo-retina> trying to determine if it's the only issue
00:27:45 <flo-retina> seems to be the only issue, I can fix it locally
00:27:56 <clokep> Thank you. :) Sorry about that.
00:29:21 <flo-retina> so I guess I should try connecting an IRC account and getting a debug log before pushing these changes? ;)
00:29:36 <clokep> flo-retina: Doh, so I have that change locally, I just didn't qrefresh!
00:29:51 <clokep> Probably. :)
00:31:29 <flo-retina> seems to work
00:33:19 <clokep> :)
00:34:08 <flo-retina> with debug logging working, I'll no longer need a high log level, so I'll now notice the warnings
00:34:21 <flo-retina> and put pressure on you to fix them :-P
00:34:53 <clokep> Good. :)
00:35:47 <flo-retina> have we filed a bug for "Warning: Unhandled IRC message: :gibson.freenode.net CAP * LS :account-notify extended-join identify-msg multi-prefix sasl"?
00:36:10 <clokep> I don't think so, no.
00:36:41 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/5e9a515b6042 - Florian Quèze - Bug 1827 - Add an easy way to copy an account specific debug log, r=clokep.
00:36:42 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/3da2d24bcccc - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1827 - Add an easy way to copy an account specific debug log, IRC protocol, r=fqueze.
00:36:42 <flo-retina> btw, before I prepare the patch; I assume there's no objection to dropping venkman?
00:37:00 * clokep has no objection.
00:37:01 <clokep> I've never used it.
00:37:19 <flo-retina> the new chrome debugging seems awesome, so I think we will want to do whatever's needed to be able to use it as soon as we are on *-central.
00:38:00 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1827 to FIXED.
00:38:02 <clokep> Sounds reasonable. :)
00:38:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1827 enh, --, 1.4, florian, RESO FIXED, Add an easy way to copy an account specific debug log
00:39:22 * clokep wishes Mook_as supported DataView...
00:39:26 <clokep> Oh, I mean Komodo Edit. :P
00:40:33 <Mook_as> sorry, we'll be on gecko17 for a bit :p
00:40:53 <Mook_as> oh, wait, that showed up in 15?
00:40:58 <clokep> 16, I think.
00:41:08 <Mook_as> clokep: http://downloads.activestate.com/Komodo/releases/8.0.0a1/ ; have fun :p
00:41:24 <clokep> Yeah, I just don't want to install the 8.0a IDE, if that wasn't obvious from asking for a K Edit version like 3 times.
00:41:44 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2138 on bug 1827.
00:41:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1827 enh, --, 1.4, florian, RESO FIXED, Add an easy way to copy an account specific debug log
00:41:57 <Mook_as> heh. yeah, sorry, Edit 8 will need to wait a bit. (or build from source, if you manage to get _that_ to work... ugh)
00:42:17 <clokep> I attempted that and it failed. It's OK, I'll just work on some C++ code instead.
00:42:18 * instantbot mumbles something about c++ being evil
00:48:11 <instant-buildbot> build #358 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/358
00:51:39 <flo-retina> Good evening/night
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00:59:47 <instant-buildbot> build #359 of linux-onCommit is complete: Failure [failed shell_1]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/359  blamelist: Florian Qu?ze <florian@instantbird.org>, Patrick Cloke <clokep@gmail.com>
01:01:10 <clokep> Bleh that's not good.
01:01:11 <clokep> Test failed.
01:04:47 <flo> are you patching that right now?
01:05:00 <clokep> No, I didn't look at it. yet.
01:05:31 <flo> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/irc/test/test_tryNewNick.js#42 is missing at least LOG
01:05:44 <flo> and http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/irc/test/test_tryNewNick.js#38 doesn't look terribly useful
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01:07:38 <flo-retina> clokep: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/107534 r?
01:08:01 <clokep> flo-retina: Almost identical to mine. ;) r+
01:08:19 <flo-retina> have you noticed that I patch bustages even in my sleep? ;)
01:08:37 <clokep> :)
01:08:47 <clokep> Now I understand why you keep almost thesame hours as me. ;)
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01:10:45 <flo> btw, the only reason why I saw that was that I noticed an email from dmose that was opened on my phone, but not read, and started reading it. And I received the email notification from buildbot about the failure during that time
01:11:07 <flo> otherwise the phone would have been into alarm clock mode (so offline)
01:11:21 <clokep> Ah. I guess we can thank dmose?
01:11:32 * clokep was wondering if you had your phone set to notify you of failed builds. ;)
01:11:43 <flo> or whoever interrupted me when I started reading dmose's email today ;)
01:11:54 <flo> clokep: buildbot emails me of all builds
01:12:03 <flo> (and that's too noisy :()
01:12:21 <flo> I would like to only be notified when a column's color changes.
01:13:33 * flo returns to his bed
01:14:27 <clokep> Goodnight. :)
01:16:44 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/7388215d9c62 - Florian Quèze - Follow-up to bug 1827 (3da2d24bcccc) - fix bustage of the test_tryNewNick.js test, r=clokep.
01:22:03 <instant-buildbot> build #360 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/360
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02:05:52 <instant-buildbot> build #345 of win32-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/345
02:07:07 <clokep> :)
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03:00:44 <instant-buildbot> build #328 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/328
03:03:24 * clokep wonders what Assertion failure: false (compartment mismatched), at c:userspatrickinstantbirdmozillajssrcjscntxtinlines.h:227 *** Compartment mismatch 07712C30 vs. 07711308 means....
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03:33:04 <instant-buildbot> build #695 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/695
03:35:45 <instant-buildbot> build #346 of win32-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/346
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05:40:09 <instant-buildbot> build #329 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/329
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09:07:12 <flo> clokep: I think it means that if you can reproduce and create a reduced testcase and it's still reproduceable on mozilla-central, you should file a bug against the JS engine ;).
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10:26:17 <flo-retina> no new mac nightly :(
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10:55:26 <clokep> flo-retina: Well that just isn't col. :( I guess I'll need to narrow down what's causing it...
10:55:45 <flo-retina> clokep: what are you talking about?
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10:56:15 <clokep> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today/#m122 my JS assertion
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10:56:45 <flo-retina> if you don't have time for that kind of frustrating debugging, you can also just comment out the assertion.
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10:56:55 <flo-retina> (but I'll pretend I never said that ;))
10:57:10 <clokep> That was my first thought. :-D
10:57:24 <flo-retina> I've done that a few times already
10:58:22 <flo-retina> and that "solution" makes sense either if 1. A bug is already filed and there's nothing more you can do to help get it fixed. 2. You have reasons to believe that the issue wouldn't exist on current gecko ; and so it would be impossible to get someone from the JS engine team to look at it.
10:58:41 <flo-retina> (or just 3. If you are feeling lazy :-])
10:59:13 <flo-retina> (it's also possible to do it because of 3. while pretending it's because of 2 ;))
11:04:04 <clokep> Hahah. I'll see if I can reduce it.
11:04:15 <clokep> At least put a little bit of effort into it. ;)
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11:12:08 <clokep> flo-retina: It was caused by missing: Components.utils.import("resource:///modules/socket.jsm"); (o_O)
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11:37:52 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1833 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
11:37:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1833 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Enable smooth scrolling by default
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12:28:03 <flo-retina> I would have liked that blog post (https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2012/11/27/offering-a-firefox-with-msn-custom-experience/) to include a screenshot, to see how the integration and "customized experience" looks
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12:42:44 <clokep_work> Mic: Before you sink too much time into that Twitter bug you said you'd take a look at...we should make sure it is something that we want. :)
12:55:27 <clokep_work> Things that are annoying: OSCAR is big-endian. JS typed arrays are the endianess of the platform.
12:57:07 <flo-retina> :(
12:57:28 <clokep_work> DataView lets you specify an endianess though.
12:59:27 <clokep_work> (Also that ArrayBufferViews are the underlying endianess isn't documented anywhere...)
12:59:39 <flo-retina> clokep_work: isn't Instantbird 1.3+ only running on x86?
13:00:01 <clokep_work> flo-retina: AFAIK, but I'd really rather write "correct" code.
13:00:22 <clokep_work> (For reference, DataView is a lot easier to work with in my opinion than the ArrayBufferViews, so I'll probably use it instead)
13:00:52 <flo-retina> is the endianness of ARM the same as x86?
13:02:07 <clokep_work> I don't know.
13:03:01 <clokep_work> (Btw apparently most protocols use network order == big endian, so this seems like a flaw in the typed array specification...)
13:04:20 <clokep_work> "the ARM architecture was little-endian before version 3 when it became bi-endian" according to Wikipedia.
13:07:41 * clokep_work doesn't find 50 debug statements to be enough. :(
13:09:25 <clokep_work> Although really the onTransportStatus messages annoy me...
13:10:09 <flo-retina> so you would want loglevel to apply to the debug log?
13:10:53 <clokep_work> I don't know what I want. I just know that (unless I'm debugging the socket code) I don't want to see those messages.
13:13:36 * clokep_work is trying to just read the protocol, so any other messages are getting in his way.
13:13:40 <flo-retina> I think these messages are only helpful when they tell you that we received something, but no other debug message appeared after (ie we caused an exception before the first message that would be telling anything useful)
13:13:56 <flo-retina> clokep_work: you can give socket.jsm a no-op DEBUG function ;).
13:14:50 <clokep_work> Hmm...yes...
13:18:14 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1834 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
13:18:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1834 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Handle InfoServ
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13:37:40 * flo-retina wonders if we should shows the MOTD the first time a user connects an IRC account, and include a notification bar or something to let the user tell "Don't show again"
13:38:11 <clokep_work> Do you mean the "real" message of the day?
13:39:07 <clokep_work> (i.e. not the one I just filed a bug about, but the one sent from the server directly)
13:40:24 <flo-retina> yeah
13:40:47 <flo-retina> I mean the user readable thing that typically tells you the rules of the network, and which channel you should join if you need an introduction
13:41:12 <flo-retina> it's possible that the MOTD isn't useful in most cases though :-/
13:41:24 <clokep_work> I have a feeling it's really hard to know that though. :-D
13:41:24 <flo-retina> I think the moznet motd is useful, but it may be the exception
13:50:55 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1835 filed by mte90net@gmail.com.
13:50:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1835 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, [Wish] Notify manager
13:51:55 <clokep_work> Is "[Wish]" a thing on some bug tracker I don't know about? :-S
13:52:07 <flo-retina> It would be nice to have an add-on that would restore a conversation from hold automatically if anybody says anything.
13:52:28 <flo-retina> I don't need to have a #WebRTC-Apps tab open all the time, but if someone says something I want to see it soon.
13:53:10 <flo-retina> clokep_work: it's a way for you to easily identify a set of similar non actionable bugs in a few months to mark them incomplete ;).
13:54:23 <clokep_work> :)
13:54:47 <flo-retina> I don't have the least idea of what that bug could be requesting :-S.
13:57:20 <clokep_work> Me neither. :)
14:02:44 <instantbot> New Core - Twitter bug 1836 filed by mte90net@gmail.com.
14:02:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1836 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, [Wish] Not count letter of a url
14:05:19 <flo-retina> ah, I can guess what this one means
14:05:32 * clokep_work dups it
14:05:36 <flo-retina> :)
14:06:18 <clokep_work> Uhhh...do we actually have that on file? :-S
14:06:47 <flo-retina> I think so
14:07:00 <clokep_work> Yes, we do.
14:07:12 <clokep_work> Ah, it is under UI and not Twitter...
14:07:15 <flo-retina> bug 1050
14:07:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1050 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Take account of URL shortening in twitter character count
14:07:41 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1836 to DUPLICATE of bug 1050.
14:07:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1836 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, [Wish] Not count letter of a url
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14:12:35 <Mte90> there is a way to clean the history of the window?
14:13:41 <clokep_work> No. It could be done fairly easily though (I think?) in an extension.
14:13:51 <clokep_work> If it is a private chat, you can just close the window and reopen it.
14:14:08 <Mte90> on the timeline of twitter it's long XD
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14:15:46 <Mic> "Close conversation" then and make sure it's not stuck on "conversations on hold" then.
14:16:01 <clokep_work> We would like messages to disappear eventually, but it isn't implemented.
14:16:41 <Mte90> there isn't a extenstion that do this
14:17:21 <clokep_work> I didn't say there was.
14:18:08 <clokep_work> But as Mic say, for Twitter. Just close the conversation (right click on the tab "Close conversation").
14:19:11 <Mte90> very uncomfortable
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14:22:36 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1837 filed by mte90net@gmail.com.
14:22:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1837 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, [Wish] Clean Conversation with a key shortcut
14:24:32 <Mte90> there is a way on bugzilla for see all own bug ticket?
14:25:07 <aleth> Mte90: Search -> Advanced Search
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14:25:54 <flo-retina> there's a "My Bugs" link in the footer
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14:26:35 <aleth> That's even quicker :)
14:27:30 <Mte90> uhm sohw only 4 bgs but i have open many nore
14:28:44 <Mic> Mte90: this list only includes open bugs.
14:29:38 <Mte90> ah ok
14:29:45 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1837 to WONTFIX.
14:29:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1837 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, [Wish] Clean Conversation with a key shortcut
14:30:53 <aleth> Mte90: You may find the Home/End keys useful to scroll (or Alt-PgUp/PgDn)
14:31:52 <Mte90> the scroll isn't a problem
14:32:03 <Mte90> but a long log it's difficult for read the older
14:32:16 <Mte90> and the app use more ram for all this log
14:32:22 <aleth> These keys scroll to the first unread message etc.
14:32:45 <aleth> Yes, we're interested in fixing bug 301 because of that ;)
14:32:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Remove old messages
14:32:56 <Mic> Mte90: "and the app use more ram for all this log", how much RAM does your computer have?
14:33:09 <Mic> Wouldn't it be a pity if it was installed for nothing? ;)
14:33:18 <aleth> well, because of the speed of opening a conversation to be more precise ;)
14:34:15 * aleth looks at logs
14:34:18 <aleth> wow, clokep is JSifying oscar!
14:34:39 <Mte90> my pc have 8 gb, but not all the pc user have this amount of ram XD
14:34:45 <Mic> Wasn't there something on AMO for bug 1822?
14:34:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1822 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, [Wish] Notification system native
14:34:58 <Mic> An add-on that used libnotify to show notifications?
14:35:18 <Mic> I think I had something like this ... two years ago?
14:35:25 <Mte90> i have search but i haven't find
14:35:52 <Mte90> now instantbird 1.3 use 145 mb of ram with gtalk,facebook and 2 account of twitter
14:36:12 <Mte90> kde telepathy it uses less if I'm not mistaken
14:36:18 <flo-retina> Mte90: "not all users have 8GB of ram" doesn't explain at all why *you* feel the need to press a key to remove old messages.
14:36:40 <clokep_work> Mic: I'm pretty sure there was, yes.
14:36:58 <flo-retina> Mte90: if the issue you have is "Instantbird uses too much memory", I don't think the bug description should be "add a keyboard shortcut" ;).
14:39:07 <Mte90> i usually scroll the window for read the tweet unreaded
14:39:26 <Mte90> buh have a loooong log it scare me XD
14:39:29 <flo-retina> there's a keyboard shortcut to scroll to the first unread message
14:39:47 <Mte90> ok but i re read the old tweet
14:43:29 * Mic wanted a bar at the top/bottom of the conversation view that shows something like "Go to first unread message"/"You have new messages. Go to latest message", depending on where you've scrolled and if new messages were received since you scrolled up for example.
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14:44:14 <flo-retina> Mic: nice idea :)
14:44:31 * aleth wonders if Mte90 would like to write some add-ons one day ;)
14:44:38 <flo-retina> Mic: not sure if it would be acceptable by default (are there reasons why it would be in the way?) or would have to be an add-on
14:45:10 <aleth> Mic: maybe it should tell you about the keyboard shortcuts and disappear when you have used them at least once?
14:45:16 <Mte90> aleth: if i had time XD
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14:45:55 <aleth> Mte90: There are always lots of little things that need improving when you have so many protocols ;)
14:46:19 <aleth> And more customization options are usually best done with an add-on.
14:46:24 <Mte90> https://github.com/Mte90
14:46:29 <Mic> The bar idea was inspired by Faceboo k's web-chat by the way.
14:48:30 <clokep_work> I'd need to see a mock up of that before offering an opinion. :)
14:49:14 <clokep_work> Mte90: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/253 does that meet what you want?
14:49:34 <clokep_work> (for bug 1835)
14:49:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1835 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, [Wish] Notify manager
14:49:38 <Mte90> *.*
14:49:48 <Mic> clokep_work: this one doesn't allow to select for which accounts you receive notifications.
14:50:00 <Mic> I'm pretty sure of that;)
14:50:05 <Mte90> not allow to choose the account but for the moment it's okay
14:50:13 <aleth> Probably wouldn't be too hard to add that though ;)
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14:51:19 <clokep_work> Well, we don't support any of that sort of notifications, so I think you'll need to request that from the add-on author. ;)
14:51:38 <Mte90> the author it's Mic XD
14:51:49 <Mic> ORLY? :P
14:52:28 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1835 to INVALID.
14:52:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1835 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, [Wish] Notify manager
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14:57:02 <aleth> clokep_work: when you unbitrotted your patch you forgot one of the lines I pointed at in my feedback :P http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/irc/irc.js#624
14:59:09 <clokep_work> aleth: Any chance I can convince you to write a patch? ;)
15:00:11 <aleth> Not immediately as I need to clean up my queue before I update
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15:02:44 <Mic> hmm, hg hates me :(
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15:27:44 <aleth> flo-retina: You probably meant to remove this ;) http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/5e9a515b6042#l4.26
15:28:04 <flo-retina> why?
15:28:42 <aleth> Because at the default loglevel we are now writing everything to the console
15:28:53 <aleth> Or is that dependent on some pref I have forgotten I set?
15:28:59 <flo-retina> maybe I should have moved it to http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/5e9a515b6042#l4.45
15:29:14 <flo-retina> aleth: dump needs to be enabled from about:config
15:29:28 <flo-retina> and I think we enable it by default in debug builds
15:30:17 <flo-retina> aleth: feel free to file follow-ups for whatever needs to be adjusted :)
15:30:44 <aleth> I'm actually not sure right now yet why the behaviour has changed for me :-/
15:30:52 <aleth> But its great to have this landed :)
15:31:35 <flo-retina> aleth: the behavior has changed because of the "&& (!"imAccount" in this)" new part of the test before the early return
15:31:55 <flo-retina> that's why I said I should probably have moved the dump call further down
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15:32:21 <aleth> Oh, I see.
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15:34:24 <aleth> Yes, I agree that's where it should go.
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15:34:42 <flo-retina> in the mood of attaching a patch to the bug you will file? ;)
15:35:28 <aleth> I can do it later.
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15:52:37 <Tonnes> hi all.. I just noticed the (localized) instantbird.org website still displays 2011 - despite bug 1216. Does it need a new bug, or..?
15:52:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1216 tri, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, Update copyright year for 2012
15:54:17 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2139 on bug 1830.
15:54:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1830 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Parse error on twitter 503 error message
15:56:19 <clokep_work> Tonnes: New bug.
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15:56:40 <aleth> Could almost make it 2013 ;)
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15:56:53 <Tonnes> :)
15:56:59 <clokep_work> Tonnes: It should be on all sites though, it's not localizable.
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15:57:07 <clokep_work> Can you link to a page that has it wrong?
15:57:22 <flo-retina> Tonnes: http://www.instantbird.com/instantbird.org.php is correct
15:57:33 <Tonnes> clokep_work: ok.. I couldn't remember how to check other locales though :)
15:57:45 <flo-retina> so it's not a localization issue
15:57:58 <Tonnes> flo-retina: how about .org?
15:58:10 <flo-retina> there must be something wrong in the server configuration
15:58:35 <Tonnes> aii
15:59:57 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1838 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
15:59:58 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2140 on bug 1838.
15:59:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1838 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Missing account on ERROR call
16:00:27 <Tonnes> clokep_work: http://www.instantbird.org/ (displayed in Dutch) has it wrong
16:00:48 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 2140 on bug 1838.
16:01:04 <flo-retina> Tonnes: but http://www.instantbird.com/instantbird.org.php is correct, right?
16:08:14 <Tonnes> flo-retina: yes, it is
16:08:19 <flo-retina> I really don't understand why http://www.instantbird.org/ and http://www.instantbird.com/instantbird.org.php are not identical :-S
16:08:38 <flo-retina> (on the server ib.org/index.php is a symlink to ib.com/instantbird.org.php)
16:09:31 <Tonnes> weird..
16:10:09 <flo-retina> ok, found the issue
16:10:36 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1839 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
16:10:37 <flo-retina> Tonnes: fixed!
16:10:37 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2141 on bug 1839.
16:10:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1839 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Don't log to console unless loglevel is set appropriately
16:10:43 <flo-retina> Tonnes: thanks for the heads up :)
16:11:15 <Tonnes> flo-retina: no prob.. should i file a bug?
16:11:33 <flo-retina> it's fixed already ;)
16:11:34 <flo-retina> so no
16:11:54 <Tonnes> you rock :) what was it?
16:12:11 <flo-retina> just the file header.php that was outdated in the ib.org folder.
16:12:22 <flo-retina> I removed it and symlinked it to ../ib.com/header.php
16:12:54 <Tonnes> argh. at the end, the solution is always simple ;)
16:26:42 <clokep_work> Bleh: http://blog.instantbird.org/2012/11/instantbird-1-3-released/comment-page-1/#comment-2412
16:26:49 <clokep_work> Is it too hard to find our bug tracker?
16:28:00 <flo-retina> he didn't want to file bugs ;)
16:28:05 <flo-retina> we would have wontfixed both
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16:28:26 <flo-retina> I think he's more interested in his message being seen by potential add-on developers
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16:37:04 <aleth> Sort by status eve n already exists ;)
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16:44:09 <RongYao> aleth: it may exists, but you can't sort first by status, then by protocol and then alphabetically ;)
16:44:58 <flo-retina> RongYao: why would that be useful?
16:45:54 <aleth> RongYao: You could probably adapt the add-on to do that fairly easily
16:46:36 <RongYao> mmm find it easier to look for a friend, since if you know your friend is on msn and you got huge list, it will be easier to scroll till you reach msn contacts
16:46:42 <RongYao> ;D
16:47:01 <flo-retina> So you don't know the name of your friend?
16:47:43 <RongYao> kinda pointless feature but still, it is dunno, brings less chaos in the buddy list
16:48:02 <flo-retina> removing pointless features brings less chaos in the UI ;)
16:48:14 <RongYao> ;D
16:48:32 <flo-retina> that's the reason why we recommend creating add-ons for things that a few users may want, but the large majority has no use for
16:48:55 <flo-retina> and it would be very easy to modify the Sort by Status add-on to do what you want
16:49:00 <RongYao> oh thats true actually, i left miranda and get to instantbird because miranda had too many options which always get bugged with new version
16:49:35 <flo-retina> heh :)
16:50:14 <RongYao> and i was looking for crossplatform chat, so IB suits best for me
16:50:24 <flo-retina> glad you like it :)
16:51:19 <RongYao> hehe well thanks to everyone who working on that, theres still stuff missing but i don't need thousand and one options to be able just to chat with others
16:52:45 <clokep_work> RongYao: Don't you combine your contacts? I have no idea what protocol I'm using 1/2 the time.
16:53:35 <clokep_work> RongYao: And Sort By Status sorts by status then alphabetically. ;)
16:53:39 <clokep_work> It just ignores protocol.
16:54:12 <RongYao> i actually need to combine them, just they are so many most of them dead so, not sure how much time it will take me
16:54:23 <clokep_work> But adding that would probably < 5 minutes.
16:54:34 <clokep_work> Delete the ones that are dead?! :-D It's a very freeing experience!
16:54:42 <RongYao> ;D
16:54:53 <RongYao> true true
16:55:55 <RongYao> oh the other thing i mentioned tabs grouped by protocol, since now, if i open query in irc it will open it separately to some other protocol single user chat
16:56:19 <RongYao> i'm obsessed by grouping stuff ;D
16:56:29 <RongYao> obviously
16:57:10 <clokep_work> I don't understand why you care what the protocol is. :-S
16:57:22 <clokep_work> And generally if you think a feature is missing, you should file a bug.
16:58:05 <RongYao> no, i'm just finding myself on a discussion, i don't think it is important feature that need to get so much attention
16:58:40 <clokep_work> I'm not sure what you mean by that. :-/
16:58:51 <clokep_work> We file unimportant things all the time.
16:58:59 <RongYao> haha
16:59:00 <clokep_work> If something isn't filed, it's chance of getting fixed is 0.
16:59:53 * RongYao grabs paper and pencil
17:00:19 <clokep_work> Writing down quotes? ;)
17:00:30 <RongYao> totally ;D
17:01:08 <flo-retina> :)
17:01:26 <clokep_work> flo-retina: You see that email from rkent complaining about DNS SRV not being supported? :P
17:01:35 <RongYao> hah, well i should start file bugs then if the chance getting higher with that
17:02:13 <flo-retina> clokep_work: yeah... ;)
17:02:21 <clokep_work> Well if Gaia needs it...
17:02:42 <flo-retina> RongYao: the chance is much much higher if you convince a developer that it's useful, or even better that he would like to use it himself ;).
17:02:43 <clokep_work> RongYao: Or at the very least, if you file it and we mark it as WONTFIX you know we're not interested in implementing it and it should be done as an add-on.
17:04:42 <RongYao> ;D yea i actually work as user support at one art site which is till beta and i'm aware of those wont fix tickets work with the dev team
17:06:00 <RongYao> like "we want autocorrect, to get our typos fixed on the fly" mmm no ;D
17:06:47 <flo-retina> I would like that! :)
17:06:57 <RongYao> hahaa
17:06:59 <flo-retina> or at least I would like to have the spellchecker switch to the correct language automatically
17:07:39 <flo-retina> I'm so used to ignoring all the red underlines because they are just meaningless half of the time (half my conversations are in English / half in French) that I no longer see them when they could be useful.
17:08:02 <RongYao> thought firefox dictionary combined with spellcheck is enough for me
17:08:14 <flo-retina> if you use only one language it's enough
17:09:16 <RongYao> actually 4 but autocorrect is evil
17:10:58 <RongYao> once tried the trillian autocorrect, well had a good laugh at least, generally machine to correcting your mistakes sounds wrong
17:11:04 <flo-retina> only if it's poorly done (which really seems to be the case on the iPhone that my mother uses)
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17:12:27 <RongYao> its like wysiwyg for people who don't know css and html
17:13:52 <flo-retina> I see more autocorrect as a way to fix things that were typed too fast. Not as a way to hide that people don't know how to spell things.
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17:14:40 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1840 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
17:14:41 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2142 on bug 1840.
17:14:42 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested feedback from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2142 on bug 1840.
17:14:42 * clokep_work thinks his phone autocorrects decently well.
17:14:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1840 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Errors in handlers lose their location information
17:14:50 <clokep_work> Hah.
17:14:58 <RongYao> haha sorry if sounded in that way, didn't mean it
17:17:39 <RongYao> talking about features, whats expected in 1.4?
17:19:03 * clokep_work hopes SIPE. ;)
17:20:29 <RongYao> like pidgin sipe plugin?
17:20:57 <clokep_work> RongYao: I don't know exactly, we've had a variety of things we've been working on for a whlie, but I'm not sure if there will be "big features" landing or not.
17:21:09 <clokep_work> So far...we can debug our protocols a lot bigger thanks to flo-retina and there's some IRC fixes, plus a few other things.
17:21:10 <clokep_work> Yes.
17:22:01 * clokep_work wants a keyboard command that adds a space in the previous nick after tab completion, such that it won't ping anyone.
17:23:42 <clokep_work> aleth: I meant should we be doing this.ERROR(e);
17:23:45 <clokep_work> Is the text we're adding really useful.
17:23:57 <aleth> I think so.
17:23:58 <RongYao> oh so nice to hear, thought irc works pretty well, also ib gives it new life, since you can theme it ;)
17:24:39 <aleth> clokep_work: I don't think we want to rely on e always being perfectly informative. This way we know where the error was caught, which immediately gives info over the type of thing that failed.
17:25:00 <clokep_work> Hmm...OK....
17:25:20 <aleth> For example the ircHandlers case, I think the handler.name and command adds value 
17:25:35 <clokep_work> OK, that's all I was asking. ;)
17:25:45 <clokep_work> It looks fine to me then.
17:25:47 <aleth> It's all context ;)
17:26:05 <clokep_work> Theoretically you should be able to get that same information from the lin e# too.
17:26:45 <clokep_work> But it is probably useful to have it right there...
17:26:54 <aleth> Seems much more readable this way.
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17:42:23 <clokep_work> Yeah, looks good. :)
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17:57:20 <clokep_work> http://www.instantbird.com/faq.html#supportedprotocols is missing sametime. :(
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18:27:16 <Mic|web> Oh, no :( I really wanted to ask RongYao if he knows how to merge contacts...
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21:18:18 <dew> I did some googling but I couldn't find anything.  Does InstantBird have something like this: http://pidgin-encrypt.sourceforge.net/
21:19:45 <clokep_work> dew: Instantbird, no capital B.
21:19:52 <dew> sorry
21:20:07 <dew> trying to convert my friend over from pidgin
21:20:17 <clokep_work> No there is nothing like that for Instantbird, someone could make it...
21:20:35 <clokep_work> I doubt many people use that. ;)
21:20:54 <dew> I think he's the paranoid type
21:21:11 <dew> idk I trust other companies to store my logs on their servers...
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21:23:05 <clokep_work> Yes...
21:23:25 <clokep_work> If I was that paranoid about it, I'd run my own network. :P
21:26:11 <clokep_work> (Or I've heard SILC is good for that type of stuff?)
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21:57:49 <flo> if you are paranoid, you want a webrtc encrypted data channel ;)
21:59:08 <douglaswth> OTRWEBRTC
21:59:13 <douglaswth> WTFBBQ
21:59:26 <flo> douglaswth: ?
21:59:38 <douglaswth> just making stuff up
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22:00:12 <flo> you don't need any additional "OTR" crap for a webrtc data channel, it's encrypted by default
22:02:33 <douglaswth> but is it off the record ;P
22:02:34 <douglaswth> ?
22:03:54 <RongYao> yo dawg i herd you like security so we put encryption in your encryption so to have encrypted chat while you having encrypted chat hah
22:04:10 <RongYao> ;D
22:04:13 <clokep_work> OTR != encryption.
22:04:51 <RongYao> well don't ruin the meme with meaningless details ;)
22:05:00 <flo> douglaswth: it's P2P, so no server can intercept it
22:11:23 <RongYao> anyway OTR just sending a print i think
22:11:38 <RongYao>  so other guy to know that chatting with you, thought it does not use algorithm to encrypt your message, sort of vertification of who sending messages
22:11:49 <RongYao> right?
22:12:20 <clokep_work> It does a bunch of stuff, which does actually involve encryption...but it doesn't really attempt to encrypt it from the server.
22:12:27 <clokep_work> If my understanding is correct.
22:13:17 <flo> clokep_work: my understanding is that the server sees encrypted junk going through, but cannot decrypt it
22:13:42 <clokep_work> flo: That wasn't my understanding. You can MITM OTR, if you've started from the beginning of the connection, I believe.
22:13:52 <clokep_work> But the documentation is god awful, so who knows.
22:14:21 <flo> I think you can MITM before starting the encryption
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22:14:49 <clokep_work> Yeah, that's what I meant.
22:14:53 <flo> but people are supposed to check the encryption keys and know the encryption keys of their friends (like for ssh). Of course in real life they accept any key, with defeats the purpose
22:14:58 <clokep_work> SO if the server has the entire conversation saved, you should be able to decrypt it.
22:15:12 <RongYao> in 21 century i should start sending my messages stored in txt and archived in password protected rar, which resides over a disk image locked with true crypt
22:15:26 <clokep_work> Yeah, no one does out of band encryption keys. :P
22:16:34 <flo> Usul has fun organizing key signing parties at each Mozilla or FOSS event he attends, to sign each other's keys on slices of dead trees
22:16:52 * clokep_work goes to the gym.
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22:23:09 <RongYao> for one thing i'm glad now seeing that quit message, support/dev team uses the alpha releases exclusively ;)
22:39:50 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2139 on bug 1830.
22:39:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1830 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Twitter parse error after reconnect caused by 503
22:41:51 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2141 on bug 1839.
22:41:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1839 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Don't log to console unless loglevel is set appropriately
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22:47:14 <RongYao> is there a way to connect to multiple channels at once without have to open the join window in case i don't want those channels to joins on connection?
22:47:57 <RongYao> thought entering multiple names #channel1 #channel2 opens only #channel1
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22:54:15 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 2142 on bug 1840.
22:54:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1840 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Errors in handlers lose their location information
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23:00:52 <flo> RongYao: type "/help join" in an IRC channel, it will show you the syntax of the /join command that supports joining several channels at once
23:01:09 <EionRobb> "/help join"
23:01:12 <EionRobb> nothing happen :(
23:01:14 <EionRobb> fixit!
23:01:40 <flo> EionRobb: are you sure you are using a good IRC client? ;)
23:01:58 <EionRobb> /help join
23:03:25 <RongYao> it wont join multiple channels ;D
23:04:14 <flo> RongYao: "support/dev team uses the alpha releases exclusively" yeah, we eat our own dog food ;). And once we have fixed a bug or implemented something new, it's too painful to use the release that doesn't have it yet ;).
23:04:15 <RongYao> oh i missed ,
23:04:33 <RongYao> its /join #channel1,#channel2
23:04:44 <flo> right
23:06:01 <RongYao> about alpha releases it is more like, we know what we code so we not fear to use our own work ;D
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23:07:28 <flo> RongYao: our nightly builds get more testing that Pidgin releases before they are released ;).
23:10:08 <RongYao> oh well i'm not sure how pidgin goes for their releases, used it years ago, tried it before get to instantbird, pidgin were always the same
23:11:22 <RongYao> glad to hear, i can only wish you long time instantbird ;)
23:11:44 <flo> Instantbird is already 5 years old ;).
23:12:12 <RongYao> know, i read most information found about before actually get to it
23:13:26 <RongYao> ;) okey, going to work, have a nice day/night/etc everyone
23:13:53 <RongYao> out now
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