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03:35:20 <instant-buildbot> build #690 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/690
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04:00:35 <clokep> Mic: Excellent. :) Thanks!
04:08:08 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1822 to WONTFIX.
04:08:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1822 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, [Wish] Notification system native
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08:53:08 <flo> Mic: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/yesterday#m358 any idea of why it didn't work in a current nightly? Was there an error in the error console? Did it seem like a bug in Instantbird or in the theme?
08:53:16 <flo> Thanks for checking all these themes! :)
08:57:21 <flo> http://www.la-vache-libre.com/2012/11/instantbird-13-disponible-amelioration.html is a bit strange.
08:58:28 <flo> It says in French "you can download the binaries (need to be compiled) or run the following commands: < commands to download and install the Italian version of Instantbird 1.3 >"
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13:06:25 <Optimizer> is the default bubbles theme somewhat dynamic ?
13:09:26 <Optimizer> my bubbles are moving upwards pixel by pixel as time progresses ..
13:09:31 <flo-retina> it uses some JavaScript. Not sure if that's your question
13:09:44 <flo-retina> yes, that's on purpose
13:10:03 <Optimizer> oh
13:11:38 <Optimizer> IB should also adopt the make add-ons compatible by default model ..
13:12:58 <Optimizer> is there a bug for that ?
13:14:28 <flo-retina> not sure, but you can file one if you can't find an existing one :)
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13:25:10 <clokep> Optimizer: I'm pretty sure there's no bug for that, if you could file one (and find the Firefox/Thunderbird bugs that did the same and paste the links in there) that would be awesome!
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13:34:41 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1823 filed by scrapmachines@gmail.com.
13:34:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1823 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Add-ons should be compatible by default.
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13:41:43 <flo-retina> who's volunteering for dealing with all the "Instantbird 1.4 is broken" complains from people with incompatible add-ons? :)
13:43:17 <clokep> :( Not I! :P
13:45:39 <Optimizer> its not 1.4, its *every release*
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13:46:26 <Optimizer> and the addons are not incompatible, just their maxVersion is set to the then present max version
13:46:35 <qlum> yea
13:46:42 <qlum> quite annoying sometimes
13:46:51 <qlum> well 
13:46:59 <qlum> I could possibly change something there
13:47:03 <qlum> but still
13:48:13 <clokep> Optimizer: flo-retina was talking about the add-ons that are /actually/ incompatible.
13:48:22 <clokep> The ones that actually break things.
13:48:43 <rosonline>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY ros1992
13:48:59 <qlum> well it happens both ways, people set the max version to high and others set it to low
13:49:18 <qlum> its not just instantbird
13:49:29 <qlum> I remember both in firefox as well
13:49:42 <Optimizer> no
13:49:50 <Optimizer> in Fx its compatible by default
13:49:56 <qlum> at least there I had addon compatibility reporter
13:50:01 <qlum> I was talking about the past
13:50:05 <Optimizer> yeah in the past
13:50:12 <Optimizer> Firefox 12
13:50:15 <Optimizer> now its 20
13:50:36 <qlum> 17 actually for the latest released
13:50:48 <qlum> as in stable
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14:03:16 <clokep> rosonline: Instantbird should authenticate to NickServ for you automatically.
14:04:39 <rosonline> clokep: I know, but I'm on wsirc... 
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14:04:55 <rosonline> It's an IRC web client
14:06:00 <rosonline> clokep: How do I make an theme (Instantbird and message style)?
14:06:50 <clokep> rosonline: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Message_Styles_reference
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14:43:45 <clokep> aleth: Yeah breaking the regex was what I figured too.
14:44:04 <clokep> If there's an error in the handler it'll still throw and be caught by a different try-catch, which it's possible we should remove.
14:44:49 <aleth> clokep: Or keep it and make sure we display the unhandled message there
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14:45:36 <clokep> aleth: Unhandled != error. :-S
14:47:20 <clokep> Oh, I see what you're saying.
14:47:22 <aleth> clokep: Sure. I'm just concerned that if the handler throws, it is useful to still see the message
14:47:24 <clokep> I don't think we can do that, but I'll check.
14:47:33 <clokep> We would still see it, right now. :)
14:48:04 <aleth> Yes, it may be worth keeping it and not worrying about the duplication
14:54:46 <clokep> I was going to look at it again, yeah. :)
14:55:03 <clokep> I'd also love it if that try-catch /actually/ told you were the error was, instead of reporting the line number where we rethrow or whtaever.
14:55:50 <aleth> That would be excellent
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14:56:25 <aleth> Wouldn't you have to catch before leaving each module for that to work?
14:56:49 <aleth> I've never quite understood why the location info doesn't propagate
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15:07:03 <clokep> aleth: The location info is from where we call ERROR
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15:10:01 <aleth> clokep: Ah OK, it's not automatic.
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16:17:46 * clokep just found a Windows XP Pro installation disc. :)
16:18:43 * aleth recently found a MS-DOS 6 installation disc at his parents :)
16:19:08 <aleth> It would be quite some trouble to even find the floppy drive to read it ;)
16:22:59 <clokep> aleth: I just saw one in the boxes I was going through!
16:23:51 <clokep> Along w/ the "Hi-Speed" CD 8x drive I just found...
16:26:01 <clokep> aleth: https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=1b9f013d2e038824&id=1B9F013D2E038824!213&sff=1 ;)
16:26:34 <aleth> yay :)
16:26:48 <aleth> Those floppies are too modern for MS-DOS 6 though :P
16:27:14 <clokep> Ah, you mean a 5.25" floppy?
16:27:20 <aleth> Yes :D
16:27:24 <clokep> Ah, I just found a Linksys Wireless B router too.
16:27:47 <aleth> I wonder if there is anything useful those CD drives could be put to other than recycling
16:28:07 <clokep> I doubt it.
16:28:21 <clokep> Bah I just found a bunch of hard drive.s..
16:28:33 <clokep> Which means I need to find something to read them with so I can DBAN them.
16:29:02 <aleth> That's always hassle unless you find some old PC to stick them in as well
16:29:56 <clokep> One is partially disassembled. (o_O)
16:31:25 * aleth wonders what "double your disk" referred to https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/511K0VQZ0SL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
16:31:43 <clokep> Ah! And the floppy disks to go w/ those drives...
16:33:20 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1824 filed by wnayes@gmail.com.
16:33:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1824 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add a startDate attribute to prplIConversation
16:35:35 <aleth> ^^ wnayes starting to split his humungous patch? :)
16:36:00 <clokep> Probably just recovered from the Thanksgiving dinner. ;)
16:37:32 <instantbot> wnayes@gmail.com requested feedback from florian@instantbi rd.org for attachment 2125 on bug 1824.
16:37:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1824 enh, --, ---, wnayes, ASSI, Add a startDate attribute to prplIConversation
16:42:24 <aleth> Might still be Thanksgiving in his timezone ;)
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16:42:39 <aleth> ...probably not though
16:42:56 <wnayes> This patch seemed to be growing unnaturally large so I've posted what I have so far to see if it's heading in the right direction :)
16:43:55 <wnayes> aleth: Not Thanksgiving anymore, now it's Black Friday and the shopping frenzy :s
16:44:12 <wnayes> So a good day to stay at home :)
16:45:42 * aleth googles Black Friday
16:45:56 <aleth> Huh, I would have guessed that was some religious thing... but no ;)
16:46:20 <clokep> Hahah...it is a religion to some, perhaps?
16:46:30 * clokep just waits for Cyber Monday. ;)
16:48:13 <aleth> Thanks to Mic for laboriously bumping all the emoticons! :)
16:50:52 <flo-retina> clokep: amazon emailed me about cyber monday. I really wondered what that new invention was
16:51:13 <flo-retina> clokep: it seemed completely odd when Apple France emailed me about black Friday a few years ago
16:51:16 <aleth> clokep, flo-retina: Oh, that's an actual thing?
16:52:12 <clokep> aleth: Yes, it is.
16:52:24 <clokep> aleth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Monday ;)
16:52:42 <clokep> Most of th eonline retailers have sales the entire weekend though.
16:53:08 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1816 to WORKSFORME.
16:53:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1816 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Bump emoticon themes for Instantbird 1.3
16:57:11 * clokep wonders if we were going to default to default in there...
16:58:08 <flo-retina> clokep: I think we wanted to file a new bug to attach what I pastebined, test and review it
16:58:18 <aleth> That would be better in a separate bug I think
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16:59:08 * aleth should really put tab complete in a testable module :-/
16:59:54 <aleth> With tests that automatically run over a whole lot of permutations of possibilities
17:01:18 <aleth> How would one best handle the interaction with the textbox element if it was in a module, so that that is testable?
17:04:18 <aleth> Maybe that's not so important though.
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17:04:44 <clokep> aleth: Worry about that after you have an API to the module.
17:07:52 <aleth> I'm wondering whether it should affect the API
17:08:21 <aleth> I guess I had better find out a bit more about tests ;) Any useful intro pages you know of?
17:08:36 <clokep> aleth: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Writing_xpcshell-based_unit_tests
17:09:53 <clokep> aleth: I guess my point is that it is possible the conversation still handles the user pressing tab and then calls the tab complete module with getCompletions(<conv>, <partial word>) or something like that.
17:10:04 <clokep> In that case the tab completion module would have no knowledge that there is a textbox.
17:10:49 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted feedback for attachment 2125 on bug 1824.
17:10:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1824 enh, --, ---, wnayes, ASSI, Add a startDate attribute to prplIConversation
17:12:42 <aleth> clokep: That's kind of what I'm trying to figure out, whether it's possible to do that. The tab complete code also moves the cursor around (for example)
17:14:02 <clokep> aleth: Maybe it can take a reference to the textbox?
17:14:28 <aleth> clokep: It'll probably need a reference to the conversation binding :-/ and can get it from there
17:14:31 <clokep> And then in the test you could either 1. create a text box or 2. create an object that acts like a text box.
17:14:44 <flo-retina> aleth: maybe it can return an int saying how many characters should be removed before/after the cursor?
17:15:20 <flo-retina> but yeah, maybe give a reference to the textbox, and fake a textbox in the tests
17:15:36 <flo-retina> it would be very nice if we could give a reference to the imIConversation rather than the conversation binding
17:15:56 <flo-retina> but I suspect that requires moving quite of bit of the nicklist handling to imConversations.js
17:16:10 <flo-retina> (which may not be a bad thing, but maybe out of the scope of what aleth is trying to do now)
17:16:13 <aleth> flo-retina: Yes, it would
17:16:24 <aleth> (need moving a lot of things to imConversations)
17:16:41 <flo-retina> aleth: could be nice to have the color generation done there
17:16:53 <flo-retina> especially for Tb that redisplays the nicklist each time the conversation is selcted
17:17:10 <aleth> flo-retina: That was the way to fix the "log nicks found in each message" issue
17:17:37 <aleth> (there should be an 'also' in that sentence)
17:17:41 <flo-retina> not sure i understand that
17:18:15 <aleth> Didn't we discuss at one point JSON-logging the nicks found in each message, so on restoring from hold show nick could still work?
17:18:57 <flo-retina> I think the join/part messages should be logged in JSON so that when looking at the conversations in the log viewer with an instantbird in a different locale, they are translated correctly
17:18:59 <aleth> I think for that you'd also need to move a lot of nick handling to imConversations
17:19:03 <flo-retina> and that has other advantages too
17:19:27 <flo-retina> (the conversation binding / message themes could group or hide some system messages)
17:19:42 <flo-retina> like saying "nick1, nick2 and nick3 joined"
17:19:59 <aleth> That would be great
17:20:44 <flo-retina> I'm not saying you need to implement all of that, by the way :)
17:20:52 <flo-retina> just giving ideas of what a refactoring could enable
17:21:22 <aleth> Trying to do that all at the same time sounds like a recipe for problems anyway ;)
17:22:11 <flo-retina> sure
17:22:29 <flo-retina> it's just that we should try to not go in the opposite direction of things we know we want.
17:22:51 <aleth> Yes
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19:13:12 <Mook_as> hmm. in tbird, /list shows odd things for #mozillazine-jp
19:13:44 <aleth> Mook_as: I don't think we support /list yet
19:14:10 <Mook_as> but é shows up fine for #frenchmoz
19:14:29 <Mook_as> well, it actually does something useful, just not perfect ;)
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19:15:48 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1825 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
19:15:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1825 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Unhandled IRC message 321
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19:20:57 <Mook_as> huh, #mozilla-taiwan looks fine, though.  Perhaps #mozillazine-jp is using an odd charset?
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21:10:59 <instantbot> wnayes@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2126 on bug 1824.
21:11:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1824 enh, --, ---, wnayes, ASSI, Add a startDate attribute to prplIConversation
21:12:17 <clokep> wnayes1: "the purpleConversation.cpp is a C++ implementation of
21:12:17 <clokep> prplIConversation and the GenericConversationPrototype is a JS implementation" exactly.
21:12:18 <instantbot> c++ is evil
21:12:39 <wnayes1> \nick wnayes
21:12:44 <aleth> rosonline: The best way to learn how to make a message style is to look at one of the existing ones you know well, together with the information on the wiki.
21:13:10 * wnayes1 is now known as wnayes
21:14:28 <aleth> rosonline: mdn is a good reference for CSS, and may even be localised ;)
21:17:43 <wnayes> clokep: OK, Thanks. That makes it a bit awkward to use Date objects then :-/
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21:23:10 <clokep> wnayes: You can't use Date objects in XPCOM AFAIK.
21:23:51 <Mook_as> yeah, just PRTime
21:24:04 <clokep> wnayes: Why does it make it a bit awkward?
21:24:10 <clokep> What issue are you running into?
21:24:30 <clokep> You can convert from PRTime back into a JS date by just doing: new Date(value from PRTime)
21:24:42 <clokep> PRTime is just the UNIX timestamp afaik.
21:24:48 <clokep> (Aka an int64)
21:24:56 <Mook_as> PRTime is in microsecs, not millisecs, IIRC
21:25:12 <wnayes> It adds a lot of those Date object creations and divisions/multiplications by 1000
21:25:16 <clokep> OK...so <value from PRTiime > / <some number>
21:27:51 <clokep> Do we create the date objects in that many places? :(
21:27:57 <rosonline> aleth: I would to create a complete design:The interface visual and message styles. 
21:29:07 <aleth> rosonline: Start with the message style, it is easier.
21:30:44 <rosonline> Ok...
21:31:52 <aleth> Then you can do the rest...
21:32:21 <aleth> Technically speaking they will be are two different add-ons.
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21:51:56 <Mic> Talking about old computer stuff: I still got a complete set of 3.5" Novell Netware 3.12 installation disks.
21:52:16 <Mic> For whatever reason :D
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