#instantbird log on 11 20 2012

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00:29:14 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1812 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
00:29:15 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2108 on bug 1812.
00:29:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1812 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, IRC accounts should timeout when the connection to the server has stalled
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03:37:00 <instant-buildbot> build #687 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/687
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05:02:56 <Meeep> Need help please
05:03:14 <Meeep> I downloaded the newest instantbird but it didn't come with yahoo,msn or aim
05:03:17 <Meeep> :(
05:06:21 <Meeep> They're not in Instantbird's default protocol list
05:06:25 <Meeep> I'm using arch
05:08:23 <douglaswth> weird, do they show up you select "Show all protocols"? does arch have some option for libpurple that maybe you didn't select?
05:12:43 <Meeep> idk. i showed. all but nothing and pigidin was installed but it had yahoo.
05:18:47 <Meeep> Only thing I see is google talk, Facebook and Twitter
05:18:54 <Meeep> MSN, AIM and Yahoo aren't thre
05:18:56 <Meeep> there
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05:20:47 <Meeep> I tried to redownload but nothing
05:21:02 <Meeep> Where does Instantbird get it's support for yahoo, and other protocols?
05:21:12 <Meeep> Am I missing some of those plugins?
05:23:02 <douglaswth> libpurple
05:23:47 <Meeep> I have libpurple
05:23:57 <Meeep> pidgin is installed.  This makes no sense
05:24:18 <instant-buildbot> build #778 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/778
05:24:48 <Meeep> What is going on?
05:24:56 <Meeep> Is this an arch issue?
05:25:31 <Mook> Meeep: you downloaded it from instantbird.com? Or does arch have it in AUR?
05:25:42 <Meeep> Arch's AUR is out of date
05:25:48 <Meeep> I had to download the tar.gz
05:26:07 <Meeep> Luckily it runs portablly without hassle but it's missing those vital protocols
05:26:25 <Mook> Okay, so http://instantbird.com/downloads/1.3/instantbird-1.3.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz2 or something along those lines, hmm.
05:26:40 <Meeep> I downloaded the linux package yes
05:27:01 * Mook wonders if it's missing some dependency for libpurple
05:27:12 <Mook> this would be the 32-bit version, of course :)
05:27:20 <Meeep> Hmmmm...
05:27:31 <Meeep> lib32-libpurple? Or what?
05:28:41 <Meeep> If it was missing libpurple, wouldn't it not launch?
05:29:13 <Mook> no, because xmp (facebook/gtalk), IRC, and twitter are written in JS
05:29:30 <Meeep> I see
05:29:41 <Meeep> What's the arch 32bit libpurple called?
05:29:59 <Mook> I'm going to assume you're comfortable with a shell..
05:30:13 <Mook> can you run `./run-mozilla.sh $(which ldd) -r components/libpurplexpcom.so` ?
05:30:43 <Meeep> Not that comfortable 
05:30:46 <Meeep> But...
05:30:50 <Meeep> From what directory
05:31:02 <Mook> from the instantbird directory (the one with run-mozilla.sh in it)
05:31:07 <Meeep> ok...
05:31:32 <Mook> (my output: http://hastebin.com/reqomisiqo )
05:31:58 <Mook> (also, I'm not on arch, so things might be slightly different)
05:32:25 <Meeep> I think I messed up 
05:32:27 <Meeep> one more try
05:33:48 <Meeep> Uhhh yeah
05:33:55 <Meeep> I'm getting some bash errors
05:34:08 <Mook> huh. I'm using bash, at least.. paste the errors?
05:34:12 <Meeep> I'm not very competent from terminal and I usually depend on notes so I may have screwed up
05:34:22 <Mook> (if it's long, put it on a pastebin somewhere)
05:34:30 <Meeep> bash: ./run-mozilla.sh $(which ldd) -r components/libpurplexpcom.so: No such file or directory
05:34:32 <Meeep> Not long
05:35:09 <Mook> huh.
05:35:35 <Mook> did you end up quoting the whole command?
05:35:43 <Meeep> I think I did.
05:35:47 <Meeep> I may suppressed it
05:35:59 <Meeep> I'll try without the quotes
05:36:02 <Mook> the ` was just meant to say "this is the thing to type", don't include it :)
05:36:34 <Meeep> Ok then
05:36:49 <Meeep> I'm still getting some no file or directory found errors
05:37:19 <Meeep> Am I meant to include the $(which ldd) part? 
05:37:33 <Meeep> ldd: components/libpurplexpcon.so: No such file or directory
05:37:58 <Mook> yeah. also, it's xpcom, not xpcon :)
05:38:04 <Mook> (my full command looked something like http://pastebin.instantbird.com/103815 )
05:38:07 <Meeep> ooo
05:39:55 <Meeep> http://pastebin.com/NehrJH0g
05:40:00 <Meeep> Got a big readout
05:40:05 <Meeep> Hopefully it helps
05:40:32 <Mook> ah! it's getting some undefined symbols. that can be useful.
05:40:55 <Meeep> Hmmm....
05:41:01 <Mook> libxml2.so.2 => not found
05:41:07 <Meeep> Really?
05:41:17 <Meeep> 32 bit? or 64 bit?
05:41:23 <Mook> (it's on line 12 of what you pasted)
05:41:27 <Mook> yeah, 32 bit
05:42:28 <Meeep> I see
05:42:32 <Meeep> I just installed it
05:42:41 <Meeep> pacman is really awesome at speed
05:43:09 <Meeep> that actually seems like all it didn't find. 
05:43:13 <Meeep> I'll try and restart
05:43:16 <Meeep> instantbird
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05:43:59 <Meeep> Booyeah
05:44:03 <Meeep> Thanks for the help
05:44:25 <Meeep> :)
05:44:31 <Mook> yay!
05:44:53 <Meeep> Would be nice if the AUR was updated.  That way I could actually install
05:45:00 <Meeep> But...I'm fine with the portable for now
05:45:41 <Mook> or you can start trying to maintain the aur? :p
05:45:58 <Meeep> Uhhh...I couldn't code my way out of a bean burrito.
05:46:07 <Mook> (or poke the maintainer, I guess, since the last update was august)
05:46:19 <Meeep> I can't find a way to contact him
05:46:31 <Meeep> It doesn't list anything about him other then his name
05:46:35 <Mook> huh. I can't code my way out of burritos, either; I usually just eat things instead.
05:47:36 <Meeep> ...And while it is technically arch.  I'm using Manjaro, so that really speaks about my skill level.  XD
05:48:05 <douglaswth> there is an email address in the PKGBUILD file
05:49:16 <Meeep> Really?
05:49:21 <Meeep> I'll download that then
05:49:25 <Meeep> thanks
05:49:38 <Meeep> take care
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06:37:41 <douglaswth> I've bumped the maxVersion for inputhistory and minimumheightinput
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07:45:34 <instant-buildbot> build #687 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/687
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09:16:34 <Secretss> hihi
09:16:53 <Secretss> is there a way to set "close conversation" as default instead of minimising to the instantbird window?
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09:17:31 <Secretss> or maybe a way to auto close irc windows like hostserv and global and stuff like that that rizon throws at me
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09:26:54 <Mic> Secretss: I've read your comments, please give me a few minutes to check something 
09:27:22 <Secretss> :D
09:30:41 <Mic> By "minimizing to the Instantbird window" you meant that the conversation is "put on hold" as we call it?
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09:33:41 <Mic> Secretss: I see the annoying messages by the way. One with random junk from "Global", the other is about port scans
09:34:06 <Secretss> yes yes
09:34:10 <Secretss> same xD
09:34:48 <Mic> Was any of these yes's about "Conversations on hold"?
09:34:49 <Secretss> now that instantbird is automatically identifying me with rizon's nickserv (AWESOME btw) i'd really like to do away with the welcoming committee
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09:35:23 <Secretss> mm I meant in agreement with global and port scans. those are among the welcoming committee I get on rizon
09:37:51 <Mic> It shouldn't be hard to hide these conversations, there was an addon that did that for nickserv already:
09:37:58 <Mic> https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/209
09:39:14 <Mic> It could be adapted...
09:41:34 <Secretss> cool
09:41:41 <Secretss> pity I can't code :(
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09:46:46 <Mic> Secretss: that's exactly the point where all of us started from ;)
09:47:13 <Secretss> true xD
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09:47:59 <flo> Secretss: needs to change the value of messenger.conversations.alwaysClose
09:48:23 <flo> and clokep may be interested in a bug report with all the messages of the "welcoming committee"
09:48:30 * Mic didn't know we had a pref for that
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09:49:21 <flo> and as surprising as it seems, my new ISP seems to work correctly!
09:50:52 <mpmc> =D
09:54:20 <Secretss> flo: awesome, many thanks! :D
09:55:36 <Secretss> it's not a bug though, the welcoming committee
09:55:41 <Secretss> just rizon being silly
09:55:45 <Secretss> :P
09:56:26 <flo> Secretss: we got rid of the moznet welcoming committee, and most of the freenode one
09:56:40 <flo> Secretss: something that annoys Instantbird users is a bug ;).
09:56:47 <flo> Secretss: even if it's not fully our fault
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09:59:28 <Secretss> awww that's an amazing philosophy
09:59:35 <Secretss> so that's why I love instantbird :D
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10:02:42 <flo> Secretss: well, I should have said "something related to Instantbird that annoys Instantbird users"
10:03:01 <flo> Secretss: ISPs that don't work are really not something worth filing an Instantbird bug, even if it makes using Instantbird impossible
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10:30:11 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1813 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
10:30:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1813 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Suppress "welcome messages" on Rizon network
10:31:15 <Mic> Secretss: you can add yourself to the CC list if you have a bugzilla account and are interested in following what happens regarding this issue.
10:36:28 <Secretss> oooh
10:36:35 <Secretss> yeah I do
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10:36:45 <Secretss> i've submitted another report before on google talk
10:36:58 <Secretss> it's still not fixed :( but i'm not bugged about it really
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10:40:22 <Secretss> submitted a screenshot
10:40:33 <Secretss> rizon opens up 5 windows
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11:22:36 <clokep> That's fairly obnoxious of them...
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11:26:27 <flo-retina> I think I'll need to look at the patch in bug 1811 too
11:26:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1811 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, IRC password does not work with ZNC/server password auth
11:26:45 <clokep> Secretss: Out of curiosity, do you have "Show the server tab" checked in the advanced options?
11:33:25 <clokep> flo-retina: So what does "this.onXmppStanza == this.stanzaListeners.accountListening" mean?
11:33:58 <flo-retina> it checks that we are after the authentication, ie in a situation where sending iq ping stanza makes sense
11:34:15 <clokep> Ah! OK. :)
11:34:49 <clokep> Then my patch is missing something like that.
11:35:27 <flo-retina> I'm not sure if that part really makes sense
11:35:43 <flo-retina> but I think if we haven't received anything in 2 minutes before the auth is done, we want to just disconnect, not send a ping
11:36:11 <flo-retina> (I don't see any valid reason for the auth to take more than 2 minutes)
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11:40:36 <clokep> Right.
11:41:54 <flo-retina> so there's maybe a risk that JS-XMPP account never stop a connection attempt if the server stops responding during the auth
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11:44:31 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2107 on bug 1811.
11:44:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1811 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, IRC password does not work with ZNC/server password auth
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11:52:18 * clokep has a partial patch for bug 1748 done too. :)
11:52:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1748 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add NAMESX support (to get all user modes of someone instead of just one)
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12:11:41 <rosonline> hello! Any solution to QQ issue?
12:12:33 <rosonline> I'd upgrade of the libqq-pidgin, but the version of QQ that's available is QQ 2010
12:12:55 <rosonline> so, QQ doesn't allow to connect on my account
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12:36:39 <flo-retina> heh, http://micropipes.com/blog/2012/05/31/adding-a-debug-language-to-%C8%A7%E1%B8%93%E1%B8%93-%C7%BF%C6%9Es-%E1%B8%BF%C7%BFzill%C8%A7-%C7%BFr%C9%A0/ so AMO has an equivalent of our cot website locale :)
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12:41:33 <aleth> neat, tests unicode at the same time ;)
12:41:51 <Mic> Looks like it was created by a spammer :P
12:42:16 <datiecher> hey guys!
12:42:51 <Mic> Hi
12:43:38 <datiecher> sorry for nagging you on this channel about some xmpp questions i have but i really like the stability your 1.3 has over the xmpp protocol :)
12:44:27 <flo-retina> datiecher: so what are the questions? :)
12:44:47 <aleth> rosonline: clokep's been updating QQ, but the upstream library doesn't seem to have fixed the problem yet
12:44:48 <datiecher> i have built a custom xmpp client on html5 for a client that talks to gtalk and facebook chat
12:45:26 <datiecher> but am habing problems with presence propagation, as sometimes the servers don't send it (specially Facebook...)
12:46:01 <datiecher> and as such, would like to know what you guys are doing to address this issue
12:46:39 <datiecher> i've tought of disconnecting/connecting the user and forcing a presence propagation but this is definitely not ideal
12:47:04 <datiecher> and i don't know if i get presence information when asking for a users' roster :)
12:48:27 <flo-retina> how do you handle parsing an XML stream purely from an HTML5 application?
12:49:49 <datiecher> i'm actually using node-xmpp on the server to ease this but one could go to strophe.js and xmpp over bosh as well in the browser
12:49:55 <rosonline> aleth: Is there any solution for it?
12:50:28 <aleth> rosonline: What do you mean by solution? Until someone fixes the bug in libqq-pidgin, no.
12:51:04 <flo-retina> datiecher: but gtalk and facebook don't support BOSH, do they?
12:51:24 <rosonline> aleth: Is there anyway to create an JScrip version to QQ?
12:51:42 <rosonline> aleth: or another script?
12:51:45 <aleth> rosonline: In principle, yes, in practice - are you volunteering?
12:52:08 <aleth> rosonline: That would be a lot of work
12:52:22 <rosonline> aleth: Only for testing it! :P
12:52:33 <datiecher> flo-retina as i have not delve into using strophe.js because node-xmpp was sufficient i can't answer you :)
12:53:10 <flo-retina> datiecher: so you don't use xmpp to communicate between the node server and the html5 application?
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12:54:11 <datiecher> flo-retina: no, node communicates with the xmpp servers and communication between the node server and the browser happens over socket.io
12:54:32 <rosonline> aleth: I don't  undestand about Jscript or another language, but I can search about!
12:54:54 <aleth> rosonline: If you want to learn JS, I would suggest you pick an easier project to start with ;)
12:55:11 <datiecher> flo-retina: as such, the xmpp connection is actually on the node server
12:55:14 <aleth> rosonline: You could write an add-on for example
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12:56:57 <clokep_work> rosonline: Just a note "JScript" is different than "JavaScript". :)
12:57:42 <clokep_work> Although Wikipedia says I'm wrong...
12:57:43 * clokep_work shrugs
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12:58:43 <rosonline> aleth: Can you repeat, please? Mibbit has reset
12:59:14 <aleth> rosonline: I suggested you could write an add-on if you wanted a project to learn JS with
12:59:20 <Mic> rosonline: we have logs of the channel at http://log.bezut.info
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12:59:50 <datiecher> flo-retina: so, do you have any suggestions for me problem? ;)
13:00:03 <flo-retina> not at all, these problems are not related to Instantbird
13:00:21 <flo-retina> I haven't even fully understood why you are asking here
13:00:26 <aleth> clokep_work: the comments here suggest libqq can be got to work? https://code.google.com/p/libqq-pidgin/wiki/QQ2011Protocol
13:00:36 <rosonline> aleth: I'l try one day... But, is possible update the QQ version on Instantbird?
13:00:52 <aleth> rosonline: I told you before.
13:01:43 <datiecher> flo-retina: as i've said. i've come here talk to instantbird devs because i really like your xmpp support from a user point of view
13:01:45 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes...I updated all the code and it still didn't connect.
13:02:32 <datiecher> flo-retina: and my question is concerning the better way to handle buddies status using xmpp from a dev point of view
13:02:45 <flo-retina> you just handle presence stanzas
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13:03:25 <datiecher> flo-retina: but  don't always get presence stanzas when a contact status changes, specially on facebook chat :(
13:03:27 <rosonline> When I try to connect, the only version that appears is QQ 2010. The same error appears on Pidgin?
13:03:30 <clokep_work> datiecher: I think we're not seeing the issues you are of not getting presence stanzas, we're not doing anything special.
13:05:18 <datiecher> clokep_work: hmm, as i've debugged this issue, it happens a few times over a week period on gtalk and a few times a day on facebook chat
13:06:37 <clokep_work> rosonline: I'm not sure what that means.
13:06:44 <datiecher> i guess i'll need to probe their presence from time to time, because disconnecting and reconnecting the user is not ideal
13:07:34 <datiecher> because as i've looked when asking for a users' roster i don't get any presence for them, right?
13:09:08 <rosonline> clokep_work: This is libqq-pidgin. If this same error appears in Instantbird, is it appears too in Pidgin?
13:11:32 <clokep_work> rosonline: If you're using the same version of the plugin, we'd expect the error to be the same.
13:11:38 <clokep_work> datiecher: I don't know much about XMPP, sorry.
13:11:48 <flo-retina> datiecher: you can try sending ping stanza if the issue happens because you get disconnected without noticing it
13:12:37 <rosonline> clokep_work: I'm searching for the same error on the internet. If I find some solution, I'll post here...
13:13:27 <clokep_work> rosonline: I'm pretty sure we just need to wait for libqq-pidgin to be updated, as aleth mentioned earlier.
13:13:57 <clokep_work> Unfortunately none of "us" use QQ, so we're not going to modify libqq ourselves to fix it.
13:15:50 <rosonline> Only I use QQ, for testing Instantbird...
13:16:44 <clokep_work> Yes, I understand that.
13:17:01 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2107 on bug 1811.
13:17:02 <clokep_work> aleth: Any thoughts on that ZNC bug?
13:17:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1811 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, IRC password does not work with ZNC/server password auth
13:17:08 <clokep_work> Oh...haha.
13:17:13 <clokep_work> I read your mind? ;)
13:17:24 <aleth> clokep_work: Synchronicity! :D
13:18:13 <aleth> rosonline: It's not a simple thing. You'd have to really understand the protocol interna and possibly reverse-engineer the protocol because it's not documented...
13:18:51 <datiecher> flo-retina: didn't knew about it, will look into it, thanks!
13:19:50 <rosonline> aleth: Ok! It isn't for me. It's for an experts (like you)
13:20:18 <aleth> rosonline: It's for an expert in QQ (or someone who wants to make themselves one)
13:21:15 <aleth> clokep_work: When you say "masked option" what do you mean by "masked" exactly?
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13:23:32 <clokep_work> aleth: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/components/public/prplIPref.idl#22
13:24:39 <clokep_work> We totally ignore it in the UI, but it is meant to deal with "sensitive" information that isn't to just be displayed.
13:24:49 <clokep_work> (I.e. a "masked" text field.)
13:25:04 <aleth> i.e. the effect of setting that to true should be to store it in the password manager and not display it unmasked.
13:25:17 * Mic wonders what a masked list would look like ;)
13:26:28 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes.
13:26:33 <clokep_work> Mic: It is only available for text fields.
13:27:22 <aleth> We should probably do that before we delete the old passwords from the legacy prefs then
13:27:56 <clokep_work> aleth: Why? They're unrelated.
13:28:28 <aleth> Yes, but it means we don't have to do it twice ;)
13:28:45 <aleth> Not that it really matters I guess
13:29:23 <clokep_work> You could just use the same code to do it...it's not like we're going to leave it in there for only one version. :)
13:30:32 <clokep_work> Regardless, it's a totally different bug.
13:31:18 <aleth> Sure.
13:31:48 <aleth> Anyway, it's nice we can tell znc users to "just use the nightly" now ;)
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13:35:13 <clokep_work> Yup! :)
13:59:28 * flo-retina doesn't have time to write a detailed comment in bug 1811 now, but will likely r-
13:59:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1811 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, IRC password does not work with ZNC server password auth
13:59:58 <flo-retina> (well, except if the ideas I want to suggest turn out to be impossible when looking at the code)
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14:28:40 <aleth> Looks like the RTL patches are landing :)
14:30:05 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Take your time. ZNC not working isn't bothering me. ;)
14:30:13 <flo-retina> ahah :)
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15:30:33 <clokep_work> Anyone know how to say "Lunch" in Italian?
15:30:43 <Mte90> pranzo
15:30:47 <Mte90> i'm italian XD
15:31:21 <clokep_work> Mte90: Thanks. :) We didn't believe Google Translate. ;)
15:31:29 <Mte90> :-P
15:31:39 <flo-retina> clokep_work: "I Think there are a good reflection after to migrate to mozilla mailing lists ... !" ;)
15:33:32 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Yes...It is also mirrored on Google Groups. ;) I'll respond when I'm no longer "hangry". :P
15:33:47 <clokep_work> (That's being angry because you're hungry... ;))
15:33:58 <flo-retina> (I understood :))
15:34:23 <Mte90> uh
15:34:34 <Mte90> i get an error when i try to compile instantbird on debian sid 64 bit
15:34:35 <flo-retina> clokep_work: italian lunch time, right? :)
15:35:00 <Mte90> xpcomModule.cpp:52:1: error: invalid suffix "x" on integer constant
15:35:06 <flo-retina> I think we saw that on twitter recently ;)
15:35:11 <flo-retina> here is a better place to ask! :)
15:35:16 <Mte90> ya
15:35:16 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Hah, we eat lunch at 11:30, normally.
15:35:21 <Mte90> i have retried now to compile
15:35:23 <Mte90> but same error
15:35:34 <Mte90> in italy laucnh is at the 13:00
15:35:36 <clokep_work> Mte90: Can you give more context to the error? feel free to use pastebin.instantbird.org
15:35:40 <Mte90> uhm ok
15:36:26 <Mte90> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/103915
15:36:32 <Mte90> i not have inserted all the log
15:36:35 <Mte90> is bigg XD
15:36:40 <Mte90> the error as the end of the log
15:37:02 <flo-retina> pastebining the content of xpcomModule.cpp could help
15:37:15 <Mte90> iit's the 1.3 version of instantbird
15:37:32 <flo-retina> Mte90: that file is generated (at line 57 in your pastebin)
15:37:39 * clokep_work wonders if libavahi is installed.
15:37:57 <flo-retina> although I guess just s/@PROTOCOL@/bonjour/g shouldn't cause any issue
15:38:21 <Mte90> are installed
15:38:24 <Mte90> libavahi-common-dev libavahi-client-dev
15:38:27 <flo-retina> Mte90: next thing to do is:
15:38:27 <flo-retina> cd /home/mte90/Desktop/obj-instantbird/purple/libpurple/protocols/bonjour && make xpcomModule.i
15:38:50 <flo-retina> that will produce a large file though, so I'm not sure how you can show it to us :(
15:40:09 <Mte90> i have doit this command
15:41:24 <Mte90> i retry to compile now
15:42:30 <Mte90> same error
15:43:55 <flo-retina> Mte90: that command wouldn't change anything to the error
15:44:17 <Mte90> ah
15:44:19 <flo-retina> Mte90: it's to create the xpcomModule.i file that we can then examine
15:44:28 <Mte90> where is this file?
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15:45:42 <Mte90> ok i have find it
15:46:27 <Mte90> http://www.sendspace.com/file/lky09v
15:46:30 <Mte90> i have uplaoded
15:48:11 <flo-retina> next time try to use a file sharing service with less annoying ads ;)
15:48:21 <Mte90> suggest for fiel sharing?
15:48:26 <Mte90> i use adblock on the browser XD
15:50:08 <flo-retina> Mte90: you need to install the uuidgen tool
15:50:30 <flo-retina> then delete the xpcomModule.cpp file, and try compiling again.
15:50:38 <Mte90> ok i have isntalled uuid-runtime
15:50:45 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Should we check for that in configure?
15:50:53 * clokep_work ran into that once before too.
15:50:53 <flo-retina> what happens if you type "uuidgen" in your terminal?
15:50:55 <flo-retina> clokep_work: yes
15:51:07 <Mte90> 46bb2255-4ca9-40a6-9c58-8e1551dda649
15:51:09 <flo-retina> ok
15:51:13 <flo-retina> then try compiling again :)
15:51:30 <Mte90> i have added the flag -16 to make for speed the compile XD
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15:55:00 <Mte90> same error
15:55:30 * clokep_work wonders if a clean is necessary first.
15:55:35 <Mte90> ok
15:55:45 <Mte90> make clean not work
15:57:50 <Mte90> ok i have cleaned
15:57:52 <Mte90> retry
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16:03:38 <flo-retina> Mte90: oh sorry, it's xpcomCid.h that you should delete
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16:04:09 <Mte90> i have removed the obj-instantbird dir
16:04:19 <flo-retina> that should do. (longer though :))
16:04:46 <Mte90> but with -j16 it's more fast than before XD
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16:25:36 <clokep_work> Ah-ha! http://blog.instantbird.org/2012/11/instantbird-1-3-released/#comment-2393 " It work's; Symantec no longer detects a  Instantbird 1.3 as a security risk.  :)"
16:25:50 * flo-retina is using node-xmpp, and thinking the XML API it uses is much better than our JS-XMPP XML API
16:26:28 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Rewrite ours? :P You've wanted to forever!
16:26:38 <flo-retina> not now
16:27:16 <flo-retina> I'll do it only once I'm familiar enough with the API used by node-xmpp to know what I don't like about it, and then either adopt it or design something better
16:35:09 <Mte90> work!
16:35:13 <Mte90> i have nstall it!
16:40:18 <Mte90> uhm a support for opendesktop?
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16:43:04 <Mte90> uhm i need to associate the https program
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16:44:15 <Mte90> uhm not show avatar with twitter
16:44:39 <aleth> Mte90: that depends on the message style you are using
16:44:51 <aleth> for example Minimal 2 will show the avatars
16:45:39 <aleth> Mte90: It's true Linux desktop integration could be better, file bugs and help us fix them ;)
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16:48:39 <Mte90> uhm how to open timeline of twitter?
16:49:06 <aleth> Your own?
16:49:26 <Mte90> i have 2 account but when i start instantbird not open the windows of the timeline
16:49:41 <aleth> They will be opened if there are new tweets
16:49:51 <aleth> You can open by hand using "Join chat"
16:49:55 <Mte90> ahh ok
16:50:46 <Mte90> for minimize on tray the timeline window?
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16:51:32 <aleth> The conversation window doesn't minimize to tray, only the contact list
16:51:39 <Mte90> d'oh
16:51:43 <aleth> But if you close the timeline it will appear in the contact list
16:53:54 <Mte90> a button near the tweet for retweet it's useful
16:54:05 <Mte90> i need to right click and retweet
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16:54:07 <aleth> Use the context menu
16:54:31 <aleth> But we have thought about adding some kind of button
16:54:49 <aleth> It would have to work for all message styles though, that's not easy
16:55:58 <aleth> Mte90: now you can use Instantbird for IRC too ;)
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16:56:21 <Mte90> ok but a button for show all the reply or mention tweet it's possible?
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16:56:34 <Mte90> for irc i use konversation 
16:56:40 <Mte90> XD
16:56:57 <aleth> What do you mean, show all the reply?
16:57:08 <Mte90> in choqok i have a button that
16:57:20 <Mte90> show all the tweet when i'm mentioned
16:57:26 <Mte90> *where
16:57:37 <aleth> Like a filter for the timeline?
16:57:40 <Mte90> yes
16:57:52 <aleth> If you see missing features like that please file bugs ;)
16:58:29 <Mte90> ok
16:59:17 <aleth> Our twitter support is still fairly basic... there is much more that could be done with it.
17:00:42 <aleth> Btw for now I guess search is you best bet for finding all the mentions
17:00:53 <aleth> (ctrl+F)
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17:09:07 <mpmc> Didn't think it was possible to search in the window, thanks for the tip aleth!
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17:19:35 <Mte90> uhm the sound for notify it's low
17:21:27 <aleth> There is an add-on that allows tweaking some sound options
17:21:44 <aleth> If that's not enough, you can easily write one to do it ;)
17:23:25 <aleth> That's also how you change the sounds
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17:52:49 <clokep_work> There's no way to increase the volume AFAIK. That's kind of an OS thing IMO.
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19:30:15 * clokep_work would still like it if we automatically went away when locking the computer.
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19:53:40 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1794 to DUPLICATE of bug 1100.
19:53:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1794 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Connecting to a self-signed SSL irc server is unfriendly due to the UI making exceptions difficult
19:53:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Use Firefox untrusted cert dialog for "SSL Handshake failed" errors
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21:19:01 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1629 to DUPLICATE of bug 1591.
21:19:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1629 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Facebook disconnecting silently whilst still appearing connected
21:19:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1591 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, XMPP connection doesn't notice disconnection
21:37:58 <Mic> clokep_work: fix bug 840 then;)
21:38:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=840 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Set to "away" automatically when locking the OS.
21:43:55 <Mic> Good night
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22:15:34 <flo> ah this time Norton as decided that purplexpcom-tb16.dll from the Tb add-on is a virus because it doesn't have a good enough reputation :-S.
22:16:18 <aleth> They identify viruses by reputation these days? :-S
22:16:49 <flo> https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/additional-chat-protocols/reviews/401512/
22:16:54 <flo> aleth: apparently
22:17:13 <EionRobb> ur a virus
22:17:40 <flo> I wonder why people keep paying for a piece of software that randomly removes .dll files from their Windows system...
22:18:06 <aleth> ...and probably eats quite a lot of system resources as a bonus
22:18:12 <Mook_as> unfortunately, I think you need to either 1) get your own cert (probably from startssl or something, I hear they have an offer for open source things), or 2) somehow convince mozilla to sign your binary :(
22:18:28 <Mook_as> or 3) convince your users to switch a non-stupid system, I guess
22:18:41 <EionRobb> 4) stop using norton trash
22:18:54 <Mook_as> well, that was 3), since I hope flo isn't using it himself :p
22:19:01 <flo> Mook_as: the file is built from Mozilla's try server
22:19:36 <Mook_as> ack. and try _definitely_ has no access to the certs (that would be... either silly or crazy)
22:19:54 <flo> Mook_as: well, I use OS X 10.8 half of the time, and that system also stupidly refuses to install (by default) files that haven't paid the Apple tax, errr... I mean been signed.
22:20:13 <Mook_as> oh, right, that. yeah, I have... some experience with that
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22:28:25 <flo> so it seems the peak on http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/stats/last2years.php wasn't just due to the disabled nightlies :)
22:29:53 <Mook_as> so... what happened in july 2011 again? :D
22:30:21 <Mook_as> interesting that there's a dip and coming back up
22:31:15 <flo> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Instantbird-1-3-released-with-Twitter-and-IRC-improvements-1753590.html
22:31:24 <aleth> That was 1.1 I guess
22:31:52 <flo> Mook_as: July 2011 was 1.0, featured on lifehacker
22:32:13 <flo> 1.1 was october 2011, 1.2 was august 2012
22:32:26 <Mook_as> ha, yeah, 1.0 sounds like a good reason for the jump :)
22:33:06 <flo> Mook_as: the jump is even more obvious if you look at the full picture: http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/stats/
22:33:15 <aleth> The nicest thing about that graph is the recent trend ;)
22:33:32 <flo> and there's another visible jump around july 2010, that was 0.2
22:33:41 <clokep_work> I'm glad all these news outfits just blatantly copy our release announcement. ;)
22:33:53 <aleth> "news"
22:34:14 <flo> clokep_work: At least they don't include non-sense
22:34:27 <flo> clokep_work: this one took the time to do some research to add links that make sense!
22:34:33 <clokep_work> flo: Btw I've found Microsoft's AV software to be really good. :)
22:34:51 <flo> clokep_work: that's what I have on my Win7 laptop
22:35:57 <clokep_work> :)
22:35:58 <flo> (although an OS maker producing AV software instead of plugging the holes that make the viruses possible in the first place is... errr... "interesting"(?))
22:36:37 <flo> aleth: yes, the trend since 1.2 is nice
22:36:45 <clokep_work> Yes...hmm...Mozilla's social API announcement is very 1984-ish.
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22:37:31 <flo> what's been announced?
22:37:53 <clokep_work> flo: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/103990
22:38:05 <flo> clokep_work: ah, the mozillians post?
22:38:10 <clokep_work> Yes.
22:38:19 * flo hadn't checked email in the last hour or so
22:38:31 * clokep_work just got back and checked it. ;)
22:38:45 <clokep_work> Also, I do enjoy the trends in there. :) We've had some great growth since 1.2!
22:39:23 <aleth> clokep_work: glad I'm not the only one who thought that a bit underwhelming
22:40:33 <aleth> Though I saw the blogpost instead
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22:45:41 * clokep_work hopes his last post on the mailing list wasn't too blunt.
22:46:52 <aleth> Which mailing list?
22:47:55 <clokep_work> aleth: instantbird-contact.
22:48:05 <clokep_work> Hey wnayes! How goes your semester?
22:48:12 * clokep_work assumes you just took your second round of exams...
22:48:35 <aleth> clokep_work: ah, I thought that was dead already
22:48:55 <clokep_work> aleth: It is "dead", but we haven't disabled emails on it yet.
22:49:15 <flo> clokep_work: can we make the old list read-only?
22:49:46 <clokep_work> flo: Yes, we have to "disable" it, I think.
22:49:56 <clokep_work> I saw the option in there, but it's owner only -- I'm just an admin.
22:50:24 <flo> ahah, so we would have to ask Julien ? :-D
22:50:39 <clokep_work> Ah, are you not the owner?
22:50:53 <flo> I don't think so
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22:52:48 <wnayes> clokep_work: It's going well :) not much free time though.
22:54:11 <clokep_work> wnayes: Busy isn't bad. ;)
22:55:10 * flo hopes the import wizard will ship in 1.4! :)
23:04:10 <wnayes> Hopefully over thanksgiving break I'll be able to make some more changes/fixes. It's a tough task to start because it seems like there's an endless amount of things to do :)
23:04:30 <clokep_work> wnayes: That's why splitting it up might be a good start!
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23:05:41 <flo> clokep_work++
23:05:57 <flo> wnayes: btw, "It's a tough task to start because it seems like there's an endless amount of things to do" also applies to reviewing it ;).
23:06:01 <clokep_work> (Which, next year, we should make sure a GSoC student does smaller bits...)
23:06:29 <clokep_work> Goodnight!
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