#instantbird log on 11 15 2012

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01:59:01 <clokep> 124 unread email messages on just my Mozilla email account> :( 
01:59:12 <clokep> Almost like you guys have done stuff w/o me being around. ;)
02:09:50 <clokep> That RT conversation seems complicated, what deOmega really wants is a "reply" or "old style RT"
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02:55:58 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 2085 on bug 1786.
02:56:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1786 nor, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Don't log password during SASL auth
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07:17:16 <flo> my 4th attempt to create a source tarball failed too. This is starting to get annoying! (I'm trying again).
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07:29:11 <flo> oh, clokep is back! Hello! :)
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09:54:46 <Mic> Hi
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10:34:21 <instantbot> New Core - Debug bug 1798 filed by rosonline@r7.com.
10:34:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1798 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Error while connects to QQ account
10:44:18 <instantbot> New Core - Twitter bug 1799 filed by rosonline@r7.com.
10:44:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1799 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Error 401 - Twitter protocol don't connect
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10:59:33 <rosonline> Good morning for all you! One question: When is avaliable the official version of the Instantbird 1.3? 
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11:14:44 <clokep> Good morning flo.
11:21:29 <clokep> rosonline: re bug 1799, have those accounts ever been connected?
11:21:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1799 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Error 401 - Twitter protocol don't connect
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11:33:04 <rosonline> clokep: Yes, only Twitter and QQ account
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11:33:55 <clokep> rosonline: So you have successfully connected those Twitter accounts in the past? If so, it sounds like it is a server issue. Mic has reported a variety of issues with their server recently.
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11:38:14 <clokep> PS For anyone curious, I have caught up on all my bugmail + read the logs...quickly though. :)
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14:07:32 <aleth> wb clokep_work :)
14:07:38 <clokep_work> Thanks aleth.
14:07:44 <clokep_work> Do you know what the plan is for the release?
14:07:55 <clokep_work> (I.e. is there something I should help w/? ALthough I'm fairly busy w/ work toda.y)
14:09:20 <aleth> The rc's are up, flo was struggling with the source tarball, and I'm not sure the release notes are done - flo had changed them I think, but not in the etherpad
14:09:41 <rosonline> I could to know when is avaliable Instantbird1.3
14:09:51 <aleth> That's about all I know...
14:10:11 <aleth> Maybe you could add the new versions to AIO and look at the recommended add-on list?
14:10:32 <aleth> rosonline: We were aiming for tomorrow
14:10:49 <clokep_work> aleth: I can do that in a few minutes, yes.
14:13:00 <aleth> The IB wiki contains some spam pages :-/
14:14:20 <aleth> Hopefully not taking up too much space...
14:15:39 <aleth> some strange stuff https://wiki.instantbird.org/Port_A_Potty
14:17:20 <aleth> clokep_work: Oh, and maybe you know if there is an easy way to localize blogposts (rosonline wanted to do a release announcement in Portuguese)
14:17:37 <clokep_work> aleth: File a bug witht he list of wiki pages and I'll delete them?
14:18:54 <aleth> clokep_work: I can't get a list, I just clicked "random page" by mistake
14:20:46 <clokep_work> aleth: That page is gone.
14:20:47 <rosonline> aleth: Do you want that I'll write the release announcement?
14:20:47 <clokep_work> Thanks.
14:21:28 <aleth> rosonline: I was just passing on your question from the other day to clokep, who knows more about how the blog is set up.
14:22:08 <clokep_work> aleth: Versions are added on AIO.
14:22:15 <rosonline> Ok
14:22:28 <aleth> clokep_work: Thanks!
14:22:49 <clokep_work> aleth: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/recommended looks OK to me...I'll remove Show Nick though?
14:22:59 <rosonline> aleth: Oh thanks! I'll wait for a respost
14:23:01 <aleth> Show Nick was why I thought of it, yes
14:23:02 <clokep_work> rosonline: If you wanted to start writing a release announcement that would be appreciated.
14:23:22 <aleth> rosonline: write it on etherpad and post the link ;)
14:23:53 <rosonline> OK
14:24:44 <rosonline> I need some details about the change
14:24:45 <rosonline> s
14:25:32 <clokep_work> rosonline: The release notes draft is at https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ib-1-3-release-notes
14:26:19 <clokep_work> aleth: Removed Show Nick. I'll bump my add-ons now too.
14:28:50 <rosonline> aleth: I think that I should translate the addons page (I like to translate everything!)
14:29:05 <clokep_work> aleth: FYI https://wiki.instantbird.org/Special:AllPages is how you find spam. ;)
14:31:09 <aleth> clokep_work: aha! not as much as I had feared then...
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14:33:06 <aleth> rosonline: I'm not sure the AIO version we have is localiseable
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14:33:25 <aleth> Ask flo before you spend much time on it ;)
14:35:33 <clokep_work> aleth: All the spam should be gone now.
14:35:47 <clokep_work> aleth, rosonline: We disabled localizability of AIO. I don't know the exact reasons why.
14:36:13 <aleth> Great, thanks! :)
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14:38:28 <aleth> At least judging by tweets, we seem to be getting some fine word-of-mouth among screen reader users :)
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14:41:58 <clokep_work> :)
14:42:21 <clokep_work> I also just updated https://wiki.instantbird.org/Mailing_lists and pointed people to the new mailing list via an email to the old mailing list...
14:42:33 <clokep_work> We never updated https://wiki.instantbird.org/Protocol_Identifiers with the new ones. :(
14:43:19 <aleth> Is contact@instantbird.org redirected yet?
14:44:46 <rosonline> clokep_work: Ok. Someday it'll aaliable
14:45:37 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes.
14:45:52 <aleth> move complete :)
14:45:54 <clokep_work> aleth: Would you mind if I made you a moderator for the lists?
14:47:50 <aleth> No... does that mean checking some holding area for spam?
14:48:55 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes. :) And gettings lots of email. :(
14:50:02 <aleth> Hmm, I guess I should set up a separate email address for that first then.
14:50:17 <clokep_work> aleth: You might be able to set it to only email you once a day or something.
14:50:58 <aleth> It's more that the free fastmail account spam filter isn't that great.
14:52:20 <clokep_work> Why would you want the spam filter? :(
14:52:25 * clokep_work is confused. :-S
14:53:30 <aleth> Maybe I am confused...
14:54:39 <clokep_work> You get a message from mailman asking you to review something. That message itself isn't spam. You don't want to filter it.
14:55:22 <aleth> Oh OK. Are they pre-filtered then?
14:56:16 <clokep_work> Yes, if the sender is on the mailing list it should go directly through and be posted.
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15:02:39 <clokep_work> Good afternoon flo-retina!
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15:25:39 <clokep_work> Do we have a bug about "windows 7 taskbar integration - status buttons like - dnd mode, away mode etc.."? I know Mic had a mockup ato one point...
15:26:59 <aleth> bug 737?
15:27:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Extended Jump List support
15:28:47 <clokep_work> No. THat's about jumplists, this is about customizing the look of the preview...
15:29:46 <clokep_work> bug 696
15:29:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Window/tab preview through taskbar on Windows Vista and Windows 7 (Aero Peek)
15:31:14 <aleth> huh, KDE does that automatically ;)
15:31:33 <aleth> Though not with the status indicators of course.
15:32:15 <clokep_work> Does what automatically?
15:33:01 <aleth> The window previews (on second thoughts, I guess that's probably automatic on Windows too)
15:34:59 * aleth should be ignored due to his lack of windows knowledge
15:35:06 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes, it's automatic.
15:35:17 <clokep_work> You can customize it though to show things /besides/ the window, if you want.
15:41:16 <aleth> I thought that's what a "jump list" was, but I guess that's more like a context menu
15:43:32 <clokep_work> Yes, the jump list is the context menu.
15:44:55 <clokep_work> Woo, 0 unread in my inbox. ;)
15:45:50 <clokep_work> aleth: So it looks like I can give you the moderator password without putting you in the email list, that way you wouldn't get emails...but you could do moderation stuff.
15:50:09 <aleth> clokep_work: OK, go ahead :)
15:50:44 <clokep_work> aleth: Do you have an @instantbird.org alias? I can never remember your email...
15:50:52 <aleth> No...
15:51:04 <clokep_work> OK.
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16:23:48 <flo-retina> "aleth: Do you have an @instantbird.org alias? I can never remember your email..." do you want aleth AT instantbird.org?
16:25:03 <aleth> Sounds good :) Definitely easier to remember...
16:28:04 <flo-retina> clokep_work: when I tried to email contact@ib.org, the email was held for moderator approval because "     Message has implicit destination"
16:28:21 <flo-retina> aleth: ok, will do. Ping me about it if I haven't done it before next Monday :).
16:28:53 <aleth> clokep_work: also, the mailing list password doesn't work (yet? will retry later)
16:34:42 <DGMurdockIII> Instantbird doesn't integrate well with gtk
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17:06:12 <clokep_work> aleth: I updated it, it should.
17:06:16 <clokep_work> I'll try it again though.
17:06:38 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Yes. They will be held in moderator approval from that list, I added one of your addresses to the approved list thought.
17:07:13 <flo-retina> clokep_work: so all messages from contact @ ib.org will be moderated and we can't do anything about it?
17:11:08 <clokep_work> flo-retina: We get like 20 - 30 spam emails a day from that address. I don't want to let that onto the list.
17:11:50 <flo-retina> right.
17:12:30 <flo-retina> so that means we have to have someone looking at things in the moderator list everyday, so if you are planning to do it (that's what I understood), we will need to be even more aware of when you are away and offline ;).
17:14:45 <clokep_work> Yes.
17:14:49 <clokep_work> That's my plan.
17:15:00 <clokep_work> If you're on the mailing list, it should "just work" though.
17:17:12 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I also get emails so...pretty annoying for me to not do it daily. :)
17:22:22 <DGMurdockIII> what about setting up spam protection
17:34:18 <flo-retina> clokep_work: for the release plan, I was hoping that we could release tonight
17:34:43 <clokep_work> flo-retina: That sounds reasonable, yes. :)
17:34:54 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: This is the spam protection.
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17:59:18 <clokep_work> flo-retina: What needs to be done for release still then?
18:04:38 <flo-retina> clokep_work: mostly blogging, and moving the rc to a folder named "1.3"
18:04:46 <flo-retina> ah, and uploading to google code
18:04:59 <flo-retina> and of course the hg pull & hg up on the production website
18:06:41 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Does that mean I'm supposed to write a blog post? ;)
18:07:11 <flo-retina> that's a way to understand it. But maybe not the only way
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18:15:54 <unghost> Hi. I've got a report from user that VKontakte doesn't work for him in Instantbird 1.3. Can someone take a look, what's wrong with vkmessenger.com ssl certificate? Instantbird complains about it. 
18:16:21 <flo-retina> unghost: can you give me the credentials for a test account?
18:17:36 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I can forward it to you.
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18:18:55 <unghost> Actually, it works for me in current account, but doesn't work with new one. Something about "Unknown issuer". 
18:19:03 <unghost> :-(
18:19:06 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Done.
18:20:18 <unghost> pff. and now it works again
18:20:25 <flo-retina> unghost: the password you gave me seems wrong (the server replies "temporary-auth-failure") but that's after starting the encryption, so I don't think there's any certificate problem
18:20:48 <flo-retina> unghost: it's probably just some of their servers being flacky :)
18:22:12 <flo-retina> I've got to go, I'll be back online in a few hours
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18:52:51 <clokep_work> aleth: flo-retina: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ib-1-3-release-announcement
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19:09:53 <aleth> I thought we had more to say for IRC, but looking at the buglist it seems not...
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19:14:34 <clokep_work> aleth: I tried to cut it down to really what people care about.
19:14:41 <clokep_work> It's not the release notes, it's the announcement.
19:16:02 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes, I know. Still...
19:16:21 <aleth> Some things I thought were 1.3 were actually 1.2 ;)
19:20:12 <clokep_work> :)
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20:35:45 <unghost> flo, Hi, Flo. I still have an error with VKontakte server. I have found an workaround - I can add security exception for vkmessenger.com:5222, but it's not very convenient.
20:36:04 <unghost> FWIW, I found working test account
20:37:32 <unghost> This error is bit strange, cause vkmessenger.com has valid certificate issued by Godaddy
20:40:50 <flo> the creation of the source tarball failed again
20:48:33 <flo> https://twitter.com/TrentonTheTMan/status/269109950184296448 How disappointed will he be if we tell him Instantbird isn't released by Mozilla? ;)
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20:58:14 <flo> so when I attempt to do the tarball from the server, it fails because the version of hg installed there is too old
20:58:42 <flo> and when I attempt locally, I can't hg pull from mozilla-release (it just hangs after displaying "adding file changes")
20:58:49 * flo is annoyed to be blocked by something so stupid
20:59:24 <aleth> So you have to update hg on the server? :-/
20:59:34 <aleth> I hope that's not too involved...
20:59:44 <flo> uh, no I don't want to try that :)
20:59:59 <flo> that would probably update python too :-D
21:00:12 <flo> I guess I should try from my other macbook, or from the other server
21:00:44 <flo> hg seems to be decent there, but it's BSD patch, not GNU patch :-S
21:01:10 <flo> ah, I can try on the third server :)
21:01:23 <Mook_as> flo: start with http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/bundles/ ?
21:01:57 * Mook_as is assuming starting with https://github.com/mozilla/mozilla-central/ isn't an option ;)
21:01:59 <flo> Mook_as: even doing "hg pull" in my existing mozilla/ repository used to build Instantbird hangs. That's really strange ;).
21:02:15 <flo> Mook_as: I suspect a sucky ISP... ;)
21:02:28 <Mook_as> actually, nope, it's just trying to figure out the difference between your (old) rev and tip. happened to me a lot too.
21:02:48 <Mook_as> (yes, that means that grabbing the whole bundle and updating from there was _faster_ for me... in that it completes in finite time)
21:04:29 <flo> is cloning mozilla-release (from scratch) faster on a server that has a 1Gbps connection?
21:04:50 <flo> (the other 2 servers have only 100Mbps, and the local connection here is ~24Mbps)
21:07:51 <Mook_as> I have no idea, it's always slow enough that I give up and go do something else :p
21:10:15 <flo> I'm not going to look at it
21:10:40 <flo> but I always time the commands that take a while, so that the next time I have an idea of how soon I can come back
21:10:54 <flo> (seems to be done cloning mozilla-release)
21:11:09 <flo> apparently it took ~6 minutes
21:11:13 <flo> not too bad :)
21:12:02 <aleth> :)
21:12:51 <flo> ok, tarball created, total time: 9m20s
21:13:05 <flo> next time I should attempt first on the fast server!
21:13:36 <flo> 9min instead of the 70 expected (what I put on the wiki the last time I did it) :)
21:13:47 <flo> the tarball weights 108MB!!
21:14:14 <aleth> that's heavy...
21:14:18 <clokep_work> Nice flo. Did you see the release announcement?]
21:15:03 <flo> no
21:17:41 <flo> clokep_work: seems good overall. I think it would be more likely to be noticed if it included a screenshot of show nick (we actually have something visible in this release!), and "Chat for two new social networks were added" doesn't seem to be a meaningful sentence (did you forget a word?).
21:17:46 <flo> clokep_work: thank you very much for preparing that!
21:18:13 <flo> also, it should say something about what's next
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21:21:07 <flo> xchat ? :(
21:21:26 <flo> "also, it should say something about what's next" btw, do we know what's next?
21:27:31 <aleth> the import wizard!
21:30:36 <clokep_work> flo: Did I not put a colon and the network names?
21:30:51 <clokep_work> flo: I agree, a screenshot would be great!
21:31:23 <clokep_work> aleth: I had specifically tried to not include "SASL"...I tried to keep the "tech talk" to a minimum.
21:31:32 <flo> clokep_work: you did, but "adding chat for two social networks" doesn't mean much to me.
21:31:46 <clokep_work> flo: Who knows. Maybe I was drunk. ;)
21:31:54 <clokep_work> (Or more likely I was only half paying attention at work...)
21:32:03 <aleth> clokep_work: That's what I thought, but it was so stripped down it was confusing ("uh? I could log into freenode already")
21:32:34 <aleth> Maybe one can drop the SASL but say "authenticated connection"?
21:34:26 <aleth> hmm thats not good either
21:35:31 <clokep_work> aleth: Just leave it, it's OK. :)
21:36:41 <aleth> I had just added a possible change, feel free to undo.
21:40:58 <clokep_work> aleth: I removed "nick".
21:41:21 <clokep_work> I still dislike that sentence though.
21:41:33 <aleth> Maybe it should be two sentences.
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22:43:32 <clokep> So...what's left to do? :)
22:59:21 <flo> clokep: I think it's time to re-read https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:release_process to see if we have forgotten anything
23:06:09 <flo> should "Do not disturb" be marked compatible with 1.3? (has anybody used that recently?)
23:06:46 <aleth> It's got that bug where it sometimes breaks the conversation window when the status changes
23:07:03 <aleth> So I at least haven't used it in a while...
23:07:18 <clokep> flo: I use it daily.
23:07:20 <clokep> It works.
23:07:25 <flo> I bumped the compat of "Status Reminder" and "Hide auto-joins"
23:07:27 <clokep> I've never seen that...
23:07:45 <aleth> Maybe it's some race condition...
23:07:47 <flo> aleth: what's that bug? :-S
23:08:40 <aleth> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1190
23:08:43 <instantbot> Bug 1190 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Do Not Disturb sometimes breaks the conversation window on status change
23:08:58 <aleth> root cause is probably unrelated to the add-on of course
23:09:10 <flo> it seems half the installed add-ons I have are obsolete :-S
23:09:26 <aleth> That's not a bad thing ;)
23:09:54 <flo> Time Bubbles, Tab Complete, Show Nick, Reply To Nick, Nick Serv Killer, MacGestures, Facebook Chat
23:10:02 <flo> that's a long list of things we have integrated!
23:10:26 <clokep> :)
23:10:42 <flo> aleth: yeah, not a bad thing, probably means that we haven't done anything bad enough to user profiles of nightly users that I had to start from a fresh profile.
23:13:26 <flo> I need to do the "Add the 2 new versions in socorro" line
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23:17:52 <flo> done
23:18:05 <flo> clokep: " Create new Target Milestone values in Bugzilla. " is that done?
23:18:18 <clokep> flo: I'll do it now.
23:18:35 <flo> "Bump the maxVersion of converted Adium message themes" is this something we want to do?
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23:21:26 <clokep> flo: I added the 1.3 to the versions and 1.4 to the milestones.
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23:22:20 <flo> 202 rows affected
23:22:29 <flo> (I bumped the maxversion of the adium themes)
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23:29:19 <flo> I'm at the "rsync the builds from cb2 to ereicros" step
23:29:38 <clokep> :)
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23:30:09 <flo> I hope everything looks all right in http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/1.3/
23:30:28 <flo> (FYI, that folder weights 2.8GB)
23:31:46 * clokep is wondering about writing a "What's next?" section, but doesn't know what's next.
23:35:03 <flo> what *I* am interested in working on next: updating to mozilla-central, and (if possible) integrating into comm-central; having a correct debug console; implementing SIP in JS; handling voice (and maybe video) calls. If wnayes updates his patch, I'll take time to review and integrate it.
23:35:24 <flo> of course, no guarantee any of these things will get done soon (or even at all, for the JS-SIP case :))
23:35:38 <clokep> :)
23:35:46 <clokep> I don't want to promise things that we won't add though. :(
23:36:39 <flo> of course :)
23:37:25 <flo> I wonder how much space is left on google code
23:38:28 <clokep> Probably not much. :(
23:40:20 <flo> the page says we are using 899MB out of 4GB
23:40:26 <flo> I'm not sure I believe it, but oh well :)
23:41:23 <flo> the rsync took 10m14.156s
23:41:27 <flo> that was quite right :)
23:44:01 <flo> uploading to google code right now
23:45:48 <clokep> :)
23:47:16 <flo> I wonder if it's possible to upload several files at once, and if that saves time
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