#instantbird log on 11 12 2012

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00:18:20 <flo-retina> hello clokep__ :)
00:20:04 <flo-retina> clokep__: the reason for bug 1786 is that it caused me to pastebin an IRC password while giving a debug log, and I did check before pastebining that it didn't include the password by searching for the clear text password in the log.
00:20:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1786 nor, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Don't log password during SASL auth
00:21:59 <clokep__> flo-retina: OK. I would have liked that as a review comment then. I thought about it and decided it wasn't a cause for concern (we log SASL passwords from XMPP.)
00:22:24 * clokep__ hasn't read any logs btw.
00:22:31 <flo-retina> "we log SASL passwords from XMPP." I didn't know that :-S
00:22:50 <clokep__> I'm pretty sure we log EVERYTHING from XMPP, including the outgoing SASL stuff.
00:23:23 <flo-retina> clokep__: well, I didn't review that IRC SASL patch, so I was surprised to have pastebined my password.
00:23:31 <flo-retina> it's quite possible we need some xmpp fixes too
00:23:46 <clokep__> Alright.
00:23:47 <flo-retina> but if we do, it's not a recent regression (js xmpp was already in 1.2)
00:24:06 <flo-retina> and if you want to change the string, I don't have any issue with that
00:24:11 <flo-retina> doesn't seem important for 1.3 though
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00:24:43 <flo-retina> it's important for long term though, so that it doesn't itch each time you look at that line :).
00:24:56 <flo-retina> clokep__: how are the vacations so far?
00:25:14 <clokep__> flo-retina: Yes, just trying to get my thoughts into the bug, IDC if it's in 1.3.
00:25:23 <clokep__> (Was hoping aleth would apply another patch, as the original author.)
00:25:36 <clokep__> flo-retina: Great, last day in London is tomorrow! Did a lot of touristy stuff.
00:27:32 <flo-retina> :)
00:29:02 <EionRobb> :)
00:30:02 <clokep__> Enjoying myself though...just figured I'd catch up on some mail and steal my friend's computer for a few minutes. ;)
00:30:19 <flo-retina> yeah, enjoy your vacations :)
00:32:16 <flo-retina> things are looking OKish for the release. The only outstanding bug left is bug 1773 (https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=2083 is really ugly!), and most locales are up to date (fr and pl aren't.)
00:32:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1773 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Fix the layout/background of the Mac disk image for compatibility with OS X 10.8
00:32:51 <flo-retina> if fr is still not updated Tuesday, I'll update it myself. And I wouldn't hold the release for pl, as we already released 1.2 without it...
00:34:05 <clokep__> That makes sense.
00:34:10 <clokep__> Yes, the screenshot is really ugly!
00:34:33 <clokep__> I thought I had authed with SASL for a secondary nick before. But maybe I didn't try that.
00:34:51 * clokep__ isn't sure what's confusing about "Registration completed before SASL authentication completed."
00:35:14 <clokep__> It means the connection registration has ended in the middle of SASL. I.e. it ended in an unexpected manner.
00:35:21 <clokep__> We should NOT send CAP END twice, that's a bug.
00:35:45 * clokep__ has now caught up on the 11/9 log. ;)
00:35:50 <clokep__> But I should go to bed.
00:36:10 <flo-retina> don't worry, it's not an emergency, the nickserv fallback works
00:36:25 <clokep__> Yup. :) I'd like to read any patch for that beofre it landed anyway.
00:36:48 <clokep__> Anyway goodnight, thanks for the work!
00:36:57 <flo-retina> I wouldn't have reviewed a patch for the sasl code that I don't know at all ;)
00:37:02 <clokep__> Sorry if my bug comments are terse, just trying to get my thoughts down while reading through my 75+ unread emails!
00:37:41 <clokep__> Goodnight. :)
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00:46:57 <flo-retina> rosonline: I see you worked on msn.properties today :).
00:47:21 <flo-retina> rosonline: do you think you will finish the purple/ folder before the deadline? (Tuesday)
00:47:40 <flo-retina> (the qq.properties file doesn't really matter, as the qq plugin is currently broken)
00:47:55 <rosonline> hum
00:48:15 <rosonline> I'm work in this now.
00:48:40 <flo-retina> ok :)
00:48:53 <rosonline> I guess, I'll finish the translations until the Tuesday
00:49:30 <rosonline> When is Instantbird1.3 avaliable?
00:50:24 <flo-retina> We will start building it on Tuesday, and we hope to release it (after some testing) on Thursday
00:52:01 <rosonline> November, 15?
00:52:39 <flo-retina> yes
00:53:01 <flo-retina> for translations the date that really matters is when we start building (as it's not possible to change any strings in the application after that)
00:54:09 <rosonline> Ok. I will work to finish these strings.
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00:57:44 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1790 to FIXED.
00:57:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1790 nor, --, 1.3, florian, RESO FIXED, Changing one's status retries to connect accounts for which the user clicked "Cancel reconnection"
00:58:34 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1789 to FIXED.
00:58:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1789 maj, --, 1.3, florian, RESO FIXED, Google Talk (JS-XMPP) accounts should timeout when the connection to the server has stalled
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01:03:56 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/01c25cf5139b - Florian Quèze - Bug 1790 - Changing one's status retries to connect accounts for which the user clicked "Cancel reconnection", r=aleth.
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05:04:11 <instantbot> http://theflamingbanker.blogspot.com/2012/11/pidgin-and-impending-shutdown-of.html - John Bailey: Pidgin and the Impending Shutdown of Windows Live Messenger
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13:04:26 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2085 on bug 1786.
13:04:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1786 nor, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Don't log password during SASL auth
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13:33:15 <deOmega> good morning.  I am about to file a bug regarding the inability to modify retweets using twitter
13:33:33 <flo-retina> deOmega: hello :)
13:33:39 <flo-retina> is it possible on the twitter.com website,
13:33:40 <flo-retina> ?
13:34:20 <deOmega> IB automatically sends the tweet if retweet is selected.. as opposed to allowing one to append something  before sending.
13:34:41 <deOmega> Let me verify.. but I know it is possible with the twitter client (that they bought out and other platforms)
13:35:00 <flo-retina> I know that. It's the official behavior that I'm not sure about :)
13:35:33 <deOmega> hmm, if i select retweet on the twitter site
13:35:54 <deOmega> a box pops up  for fonfirmation
13:37:12 <deOmega> *confirmation
13:37:35 <flo-retina> and can you edit the retweet from there?
13:37:48 <deOmega> But does not seem like one can edit it on the twitter site
13:40:25 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1791 filed by jahkae@gmail.com.
13:40:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1791 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Retweet automatically sends entry without confirmation
13:42:08 <aleth> deOmega: So you'd prefer the RT to show up in the editbox, and then you'd send it the normal way?
13:48:41 <deOmega> aleth: correst
13:49:08 <deOmega> gives some sort of control of what one is retweeting.
13:49:16 <deOmega> *correct
13:50:15 <aleth> That seems reasonable, but I think you have no control of whether any recipient's client will actually display your changes rather than just the original tweet
13:50:59 <flo-retina> aleth: I think it's impossible to add a comment to a retweet
13:51:04 <flo-retina> but I may be wrong
13:51:06 <aleth> If you look at a timeline on twitter.com, they show the original tweet plus a gray "retweeted  by". No comment is visible
13:51:10 <deOmega> Hmm, i see retweets all the time with comments
13:51:19 <deOmega> hmm
13:51:37 <flo-retina> I think the clients that let people edit just use the legacy retweet method: the send your comment + "RT @username" + beginning of the original tweet (that's going to be cropped)
13:52:07 <aleth> flo-retina: Yes, I think you're right.
13:52:21 <deOmega> Okay.. that sounds like what i see
13:52:35 <flo-retina> aleth: so we could send a real RT if the user doesn't edit anything, and send a regular tweet containing "RT ..." if the user edits
13:52:45 <deOmega> I think i see a + sign or something like that
13:53:40 <aleth> flo-retina: Maybe. I'm not enough of a twitter user to know whether not using the API would break something else (RT counts etc)
13:54:07 <flo-retina> https://dev.twitter.com/docs/api/1/post/statuses/retweet/%3Aid doesn't seem to offer any way to send a comment
13:54:24 <flo-retina> aleth: I think it would obviously break RT counts
13:55:10 <aleth> flo-retina: unless there is a "retweeted flag" one can set on tweets if that is the legacy method
13:55:13 <flo-retina> aleth: but twitter is so broken in general that breaking a few more details to let the user express himself however he wants may be fine
13:56:05 <aleth> deOmega: Why not just use copy/paste if you want to RT with comments? After all with the comment the original tweet won't fit in the character limit
13:56:22 <aleth> (just trying to understand better)
13:56:31 <flo-retina> aleth: we could set "in_reply_to_status_id" (https://dev.twitter.com/docs/api/1/post/statuses/update)
13:57:03 <aleth> flo-retina: That sounds like "reply with automatic pasting of the original tweet into the editbox" ;)
13:57:48 <flo-retina> aleth: it's a slow operation: you need to double click on the tweet to add the @username automatically in the input box, then type "RT " at the begining of the box, then do the copy/paste, and finally add your comment.
13:58:27 <aleth> Right.
13:58:46 <aleth> We could add another context menu entry, "RT with modifications"
13:59:00 <aleth> (which would then do what you suggest)
13:59:14 <aleth> Would that hit the spot deOmega?
13:59:18 <flo-retina> aleth: and it will be fun for the character limit, because we don't care about it for the real RTs, so if the user has a non-edited RT in the input box, it's possible to send it even if above the character limit. But if the user edits to add just one character (or even remove one!) it won't fit the char limit for a real tweet, and we can't send it
13:59:41 <deOmega> You know.. I myself... I have to admit,  though I use it a lot now... am not the most familiar with twitter.  I am pretty much more of a tweet recipient than a tweeter.  There are far too many things i do not know how to do, so I would  certainly defer to the team's understanding.
13:59:53 <aleth> flo-retina: I'm sceptical about making this the default RT behaviour.
14:00:11 <instantbot> sztanpet@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1591 to DUPLICATE of bug 1789.
14:00:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1591 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, XMPP connection doesn't notice disconnection
14:00:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1789 maj, --, 1.3, florian, RESO FIXED, Google Talk (JS-XMPP) accounts should timeout when the connection to the server has stalled
14:00:29 <flo-retina> aleth: each added context menu item decreases the usability of all the other items ;)
14:00:33 <deOmega> aleth: Sounds great to me
14:00:45 <flo-retina> as it takes longer to decide which one you want
14:01:22 <aleth> flo-retina: True, but offering a "modify the RT" UI as default may annoy the user as it doesn't show up as a RT in other clients.
14:01:52 <aleth> It'll show up as a reply.
14:02:39 <flo-retina> it will show up as a message in the conversation
14:03:02 <aleth> Lots of clients (including twitter.com) show RTs by displaying the original tweet
14:03:45 <aleth> All I'm saying is I'm not sure what the right thing to do is here ;)
14:04:14 <flo-retina> aleth: if you add a comment it's not the original tweet anyway that you are sending, it's your comment about a tweet
14:04:34 <aleth> flo-retina: I agree, but I suspect for example deOmega was not aware of that
14:04:57 <deOmega> that is true
14:05:02 <flo-retina> and just doing an RT or something, or sending "ahahah, this is so stupid/funny RT @foobar hey look at this lolcat!" isn't really the same
14:05:20 <flo-retina> *of something
14:05:21 <deOmega> true
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14:05:57 <aleth> flo-retina: I think your suggestion is good if there is some visual indication that something changes when you start modifying
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14:06:39 <flo-retina> aleth: when replying to a tweet, we display "Replying to <tweet>" in the status bar
14:06:55 <aleth> And remove it if the user edits anything.
14:07:03 <flo-retina> maybe we could display "Retweeting (confirm or edit)" in the status bar, and make that disappear if the user starts editing?
14:07:07 * flo-retina dislikes that status bar
14:07:22 <aleth> Yeah... weren't we going to get rid of it :/
14:07:54 <aleth> Maybe display the RT text in gray in the editbox, and turn it black if the user starts to edit/move the cursor
14:08:45 <aleth> I guess if we ditch the status bar, we'll need some solution for character counts etc anyway
14:10:24 <flo-retina> the char count was expected to go at the bottom right corner of the input box
14:10:49 <flo-retina> we just never implemented it (as the statusbar is (still) there anyway)
14:11:14 * deOmega does not like the statusbar either :)
14:11:36 <deOmega> I appreciate this dialog by the way.  Very informative for me
14:12:25 <deOmega> correction: Hates the status bar as well.
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14:13:55 <flo-retina> deOmega: you tend to use a small window and keep it always visible on the screen, don't you?
14:14:24 <flo-retina> if so, I wonder if you like the change we made in bug 1779
14:14:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1779 nor, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Focusing Instantbird by clicking an unselected conversation tab doesn't mark the current conversatio
14:17:16 <deOmega> I keep most windows small, but since i  changed out monitors, I keep the conversation window taller.   I am trying to understand the changes in the bug.  re-reading it for clarity.
14:18:07 <deOmega> *keep the main conversation window taller
14:20:11 <deOmega> ah, i did not notice the problem described in the bug, but performing the tasks as described in the fix.. makes sense to me.  I do not recall  it being otherwise (great thing :)  )
14:22:11 <deOmega> OT:  This has been one of the busiest years i have had in a while,  YET the least productive.  Looking forward to  2013.  Sheesh.
14:23:42 <flo-retina> deOmega: do you have an explanation for why busiest doesn't also mean more productive? (I don't necessarily need it; just asking if you thought about it)
14:24:35 <deOmega> oh yes. woud love to
14:24:47 <deOmega> imagine two  swimmers in a race.
14:25:20 <flo-retina> so do you mean you just faced more competition?
14:25:54 <deOmega> One being able to  move his arms as fast as a humming bird, while the other moves his at the pace of a turtle. 
14:26:25 <deOmega> swimmer A.. humming bird, does not make strokes that takes him forward... he just splashes water like a drowning man
14:26:42 <deOmega> While swimmer b strokes moves him forward
14:27:08 <deOmega> you would agree that swimmer A is busier .. but going no where.
14:27:23 <deOmega> That has been my year.  :(
14:28:03 <deOmega> Figuring out ways to beat robots.
14:34:28 <aleth> deOmega: I hope things get more steady again for you ;)
14:37:22 <deOmega> aleth:  Thank you.. I appreciate that. :).  They will
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15:33:19 <deOmega> Normally by now i would have had a problem with twitter feed.  I have had none thus far, so I am sure this is resolved :)
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15:49:26 <Mic> Hi
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16:23:50 <flo-retina> deOmega: "I am sure this is resolved" this is great news! :)
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16:32:03 <deOmega> flo-retina:  Indeed.  
16:34:00 <Mic> flo-retina: using "accountEquals" as here (http://pastebin.instantbird.com/101506) will only work if it is defined on the interface, won't it?
16:34:43 <flo-retina> :(
16:35:24 <flo-retina> you will probably need acc.wrappedJSObject.accountEquals
16:35:30 <flo-retina> and yes, it's ugly :(
16:36:56 <Mic> + setting "this.wrappedJSObject = this;" in the account constructors, if I'm not mistaken?
16:38:51 <Mic> Ah, nevermind, I'll try a getter first.
16:41:33 <flo-retina> don't we already have that in jsProtoHelper?
16:42:21 <Mic> We have :)
16:48:40 <Mic> Error: acc.wrappedJSObject is undefined Source File: resource:///modules/jsProtoHelper.jsm Line: 707 :S
16:54:09 <aleth> acc.prplAccount.wrappedJSObject maybe?
16:54:22 * aleth has no idea of the context, so... probably not.
16:54:55 <flo-retina> aleth: that's probably right
16:58:45 <Mic> Yes, that seems to work. Will be back after dinner, bbl
17:08:26 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 1781 to WORKSFORME.
17:08:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1781 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Display name jumps upwards by 1px when focused
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17:31:03 <aleth> gg0: btw, if you are trying to use the distro xulrunner patches, you should probably take a look at the patches IB applies to the mozilla code, to make sure nothing breaks.
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18:01:34 <Mic> When using prplAccount, I'll eventually run into: "Error: this.imAccount is undefined Source File: resource:///modules/jsProtoHelper.jsm Line: 48" :(
18:01:42 <Mic> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/modules/jsProtoHelper.jsm#48
18:06:05 <Mic> This is the current state btw: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/101507
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18:21:27 <flo-retina> Mic: we have only one nightly left before building the RCs, do you agree that it's too late to take a patch for bug 1511 in 1.3?
18:21:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1511 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Possible to add duplicate accounts
18:21:55 <flo-retina> (and that comment also applies to bug 1750 btw (aleth))
18:21:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1750 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Warning: Use of Mutation Events is deprecated. Use MutationObserver instead.
18:23:11 <aleth> flo-retina: Especially as a patch for that would at least need feedback from jamie for possible a11y side effects
18:26:22 <Mic> Yes :(
18:26:56 <flo-retina> ok
18:27:18 <flo-retina> I'm afraid bug 1773 is a real blocker though :-/.
18:27:20 <aleth> I hope the corrected dmg image makes it in though ;)
18:27:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1773 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Fix the layout/background of the Mac disk image for compatibility with OS X 10.8
18:27:45 <aleth> Is the problem that you can't just update the image as that would break for older OSX versions?
18:29:16 <flo-retina> aleth: so changing the image should be the "easy" part (once we have the new image available of course)
18:29:47 <flo-retina> the part that's more difficult is fixing the positions of the icons, and ensuring it's the same on OSX 10.5/10.6 and 10.7+
18:29:58 <flo-retina> that's defined by a binary .DS_Store file
18:30:03 <flo-retina> it's a binary file that we can't edit
18:30:04 <aleth> That sounds painful :(
18:30:42 <flo-retina> so the solution (the last time I touched that, which was probably in 2009) was to mount the dmg image as read/write, do the change with the Finder UI, and then save the modified .DS_Store file and put that in the tree
18:31:00 <flo-retina> so I'll do that, and then test the result on both 10.8 and 10.5, and hope it's consistent
18:31:07 <flo-retina> if it's not, I've no idea of what I could do
18:32:52 <flo-retina> the main cause of the problem we are seeing is that with 10.7, the minimum icon size and the minimum window sizes have increased.
18:32:52 <flo-retina> I have some hope that either setting these sizes on 10.5 to something lager than the 10.7+ minimum; or modifying the .DS_Store on 10.8 will result in something working on both OSes.
18:34:21 <flo-retina> aleth: "That sounds painful :(" that was a pretty good summary by the way :)
18:34:22 <aleth> Fingers crossed...
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19:44:16 <Tonnes> greetings
19:45:58 <Tonnes> I'm a little worried about 2 things:
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19:46:09 <Tonnes>  1) Now that the website uses "&sysWinVersion; , it still says Windows 2000 is supported. Is this true? 
19:47:11 <Tonnes> 2) the font on the website hurts my eyes, at least when the default font size is used. Any change of modifying the font or its size?
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20:31:36 <unghost> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ib-1-3-release-notes talks about "The memory consumed by libpurple and its dependencies is now tracked in about:memory". How can I open about:memory in Instantbird?
20:32:43 <EionRobb> that's pretty cool... does it lump libpurple all in one memory blob, or can it tell you per-plugin memory usage?
20:38:39 <aleth> unghost: openDialog("about:memory") from the error console
20:38:59 <aleth> (caveat: memory tracking for libpurple doesn't work on Linux)
20:39:25 <instantbot> New Websites - www.instantbird.com bug 1792 filed by unghost@gmail.com.
20:39:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1792 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, System requirements for Windows in FAQ are wrong
20:40:17 <unghost> aleth, It's not obvious for end users. Should it be in release notes? Or perhaps it should be put in FAQ? 
20:41:16 <aleth> I'm not sure it's very useful for end users? 
20:41:33 <aleth> But maybe you're right, idk
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21:40:31 <flo> EionRobb: it counts how much memory is allocated/freed by glib, and libxml2
21:40:51 <flo> EionRobb: on Windows and Mac, only libpurple uses glib.
21:41:04 <flo> EionRobb: on Linux the UI uses GTK, so we can't do that.
21:45:45 <flo> Tonnes: "1) Now that the website uses "&sysWinVersion; , it still says Windows 2000 is supported. Is this true? " no, a patch in bug 1638 will take care of updating that.
21:45:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1638 maj, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, update Instantbird F.A.Q.
21:47:01 <flo> Tonnes: "Any change of modifying the font or its size?" not before 1.3 is released.
21:47:19 <flo> for changing it after, you can file a bug and attach a screenshot showing clearly why it hurts your eyes
21:48:02 <Tonnes> flo: ok.. 
21:48:48 <Tonnes> it has nothing to do with 1.3 of course, this is a ling standing issue :)
21:48:54 <Tonnes> s/long
21:49:02 <Tonnes> but I'll file one
21:49:17 <flo> Tonnes: exactly, that's why I think the moment when we are busy with a release isn't the best one to discuss that issue ;)
21:49:27 <flo> it's possible there's already one
21:49:54 <Tonnes> I understand, it just came up after noticing the win2k issue
21:50:02 <flo> bug 442
21:50:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=442 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Problems with "Sacco-Vanzetti Instantbird" font
21:51:05 <Tonnes> that's it :)
21:51:13 <flo> isn't that a gecko bug?
21:51:17 * Tonnes bends backwards
21:51:49 <Tonnes> no idea (if you ask me)
21:52:17 <Tonnes> the funny thing is, if you increase or decrease the font one step, it looks much better
21:52:58 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1792 to DUPLICATE of bug 1638.
21:53:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1792 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, System requirements for Windows in FAQ are wrong
21:53:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1638 maj, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, update Instantbird F.A.Q.
21:53:24 <flo> maybe we should try that
21:53:26 <Tonnes> you rock ;)
21:53:36 <flo> but it could cause all sorts of alignment issues
21:53:43 <flo> so I don't want to do that at the last minute ;)
21:53:54 <Tonnes> of course ;)
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22:13:57 <flo> "created: /Users/florian/buildhg/obj-instantbird-dbg/mozilla/dist/instantbird-1.2a1pre.en-US.mac.dmg" :-S
22:14:07 <flo> my tree may be old :-S
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23:00:15 * flo is completely confused about why just changing the background.png image mostly fixes the issue on 10.8, without changing anything at all on 10.5
23:03:00 <flo> aleth: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=2088 seems shippable, right?
23:03:52 <aleth> flo: It doesn't look broken anymore, that's the main thing
23:05:07 <aleth> Why is the smaller "Instantbird" text there? Or is that automatic?
23:05:10 <flo> I don't understand why I can't get the icons to be positioned like on https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=2089
23:05:20 <flo> it's the label of the icon
23:05:41 <aleth> Oh OK
23:05:44 <flo> (the name of the "File" that you drag to the Applications folder to install)
23:05:47 <aleth> I have no idea how these usualy look...
23:06:10 <aleth> Is the icon positioned right on the older OS? (smaller horizontal size)
23:06:49 <flo> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=2089 is the expected behavior, and what it does on 10.5 both before and after changing the background image
23:07:04 <flo> it confuses me that changing the background image doesn't change anything in what's displayed
23:07:17 <aleth> That does sound strange.
23:07:24 <aleth> Are you sure nothing is being cached somewhere?
23:07:48 <flo> not 100% sure, but relatively confident
23:08:08 <aleth> Well, if it works well enough, that should do ;)
23:08:22 <flo> I took the dmg image screenshoted on https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=2088 on 10.8, put it on an usb stick, and opened the exact same dmg image on the older macbook
23:08:22 <aleth> Not quite satisfying though.
23:09:01 <aleth> Maybe a too-large image is scaled down automatically on the older OS
23:09:24 <flo> if you look closely at https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=2088 you will notice that both the instantbird icon and the instantbird brand name are pixelated; so we will probably want to revisit at some point 
23:10:08 <aleth> The icon positioning isn't perfect either, but I am guessing that splash won't be visible long enough for people to notice
23:10:28 <flo> aleth: I've done 2 changes on the image, and it's possible they cancel each other on 10.5 : I increased the total number of pixels, and decreased the resolution to fix it to 72dpi (instead of the previous crazy value that was messing things up on 10.8)
23:11:21 <aleth> Is there no documentation for this?
23:11:29 <flo> but I don't think the resolution is taken into account on 10.5, so it still confuses me
23:11:32 <flo> ahah
23:11:44 <flo> not that I'm aware of :)
23:11:56 <aleth> You'd think "how do I ship something" would be a question answered somewhere ;)
23:12:38 <flo> creating a dmg file (without even caring about it looking pretty) is surprisingly difficult
23:13:04 <aleth> Is there some automated process you are "encouraged" to use instead?
23:13:11 <flo> we get it for free from the mozilla build system, but it's really not like there would be a single command line instruction to give
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23:13:56 <aleth> Good job it came out OK then.
23:14:26 <flo> anyway, I think I'll commit that new background image and move on
23:14:48 <aleth> Is there much left to do?
23:16:11 <aleth> oops gtg
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23:16:23 <flo> the website changes I think
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23:25:19 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/dc345ca406d5 - Florian Quèze - Bug 1773 - Fix the background of the Mac disk image for compatibility with OS X 10.8.
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