#instantbird log on 11 03 2012

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00:07:31 * flo-retina looks forward to giving everybody commit access, and no longer wasting time with patches that don't apply for random reasons
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00:21:11 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 1606 on bug 1096.
00:21:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1096 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Add "Visible tags..." entry to contacts listbox background context menu too
00:26:08 <flo-retina> 11 changesets pushed, not a single one from me. :-S
00:26:30 * flo-retina would like to get back to actually writing code for Instantbird when contributing :-)
00:28:05 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/bc0b3250be66 - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1698 - NickServ help message eaten for no good reason, r=aleth.
00:28:06 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/0d2e723c6ada - Florian Janssen - Bug 833 - Add accesskeys missed by fix for bug 929, r=fqueze.
00:28:07 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/e841a2bb2254 - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1573 - Support SASL for IRC, r=aleth.
00:28:08 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/4a82200a2803 - aleth - Bug 1694 - Use twitter icon for twitter tabs, r=fqueze.
00:28:09 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/f56c2f9f57a5 - aleth - Bug 1686 - Nicklist speedup: low-hanging fruit, r=fqueze.
00:28:10 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/dcab10510f48 - aleth - Bug 1746 - Recent shortcut change eschews cursor shortcuts to moves tabs instead, r=Mic.
00:28:11 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/f44c83a998ca - aleth - Bug 1727 - Separate strings for channel and user mode system messages, r=clokep.
00:28:12 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/53a7ec35ff7f - Alexander L. Slovesnik - Bug 1742 - Add Odnoklassniki protocol, r=clokep.
00:28:13 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/a4c1966a2901 - aleth - Bug 1492 - Rename purpleConversation -> prplConversation where appropriate, r=fqueze.
00:28:14 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/e910ddfccb50 - Florian Janssen - Bug 1108 - Names of folders and files are not checked against forbidden names, r=clokep.
00:35:14 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted feedback for attachment 1976 on bug 1608.
00:35:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1608 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Replace "buddy" with "contact" in user-facing strings
00:35:55 <flo-retina> Good night
00:41:40 <instant-buildbot> build #674 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Exception [exception interrupted]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/674
00:42:43 <instant-buildbot> build #309 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Exception [exception interrupted]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/309  blamelist: Florian Janssen <bugi@media.fjmail.de>, az@kth.se, aleth <aletheia2@fastmail.fm>, Patrick Cloke <clokep@gmail.com>, Alexander L. Slovesnik <unghost@gmail.com>
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00:49:28 <instant-buildbot> build #340 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/340
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03:34:38 <instant-buildbot> build #674 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/674
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03:36:07 <gpsychosis> I would like to ask about what might cause repeated, incessant disconnections to an IRC server
03:36:30 <gpsychosis> where nobody else has the same problem. Also, this only happens on one IRC server of several.
03:48:29 <gpsychosis> Is there a way to specify which server node to connect to, when a network has several?
03:51:02 <gpsychosis> I was told that Unreal 3.2.9 might be the cause
03:51:09 <gpsychosis> Sounds like a video game engine to me, though
03:51:12 * gpsychosis shrugs
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03:59:54 <gpsychosis> Oh geez, it's happening here, too.
04:00:16 <gpsychosis> Timestamp: 02/11/2012 22:41:52
04:00:16 <gpsychosis> Error: Received unexpected ERROR response:
04:00:16 <gpsychosis> Closing Link: gpsychosis[24-212-233-180.cable.teksavvy.com] (Excess Flood)
04:00:16 <gpsychosis> Source Code:
04:00:16 <gpsychosis> irc
04:00:19 <Mook> well, this one is Unreal3.2.8 :)
04:00:33 <Mook> oh, interesting, excess flood.
04:00:43 <gpsychosis> Maybe I'm getting DDOS'ed :V
04:00:47 <gpsychosis> I don't think I'm on anyone's bad side, though
04:00:55 <Mook> /whois queries for the user list, perhaps? but I thought that was limited...
04:01:35 <gpsychosis> I also get "Connection closed by server" and "Connection timed out"
04:02:23 <Mook> you're not using a bouncer like BNC, are you?
04:02:36 <Mook> (didn't think so, but figures it won't hurt to check)
04:03:33 <gpsychosis> I don't even know what a bouncer or BNC is.
04:03:42 <gpsychosis> Honestly, it's a wonder I can use IRC
04:03:45 <Mook> okay, let's assume you don't then :)
04:04:46 <gpsychosis> I'm behind a DHCP router using UPNP, and my ISP is top-tier cable (in Canada, which makes it about as good as Zaire's)
04:05:07 <gpsychosis> So, pretty automatic
04:05:20 <Mook> yeah. also, I'm on the same ISP, but at the wrong end of the country ;)
04:06:04 <gpsychosis> Why, so it is.
04:06:48 <Mook> hrm. can you try something silly for me? go to account options, and change this connection to use SSL, and see if it makes a difference.
04:06:52 <Mook> (reconnect here, of course)
04:07:30 <Mook> (that's Tools, Accounts, choose this one, Properties, Advanced Options, Use SSL)
04:08:00 <gpsychosis> That's another problem entirely
04:08:06 <gpsychosis> I can't use SSL on the problem server
04:08:11 <gpsychosis> because they don't have a valid certificate
04:08:20 <gpsychosis> and there's no exception prompt, so I have to do it manually
04:08:25 <gpsychosis> and I have no idea which site to add the exception for
04:08:28 <Mook> oooh, do they have _any_ cert?
04:08:36 <gpsychosis> I don't think so, not anymore.
04:08:49 <gpsychosis> But I'd be willing to trust them, but yeah, nothing to aim my exception beam at
04:09:32 <gpsychosis> Do I just add an exception for https://irc.[servername]?
04:09:42 <Mook> yep! (except use the right port)
04:09:50 <gpsychosis> oooohkay
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04:10:12 <Mook> it's totally ridiculous, but it works, since it's keyed off the cert, not what the server does
04:10:16 <gpsychosis> Yeah, not going to happen
04:10:24 <gpsychosis> "Unable to obtain identification status for the given site."
04:10:34 <gpsychosis> I have to get the cert first :(
04:10:57 <gpsychosis> No exception for that.
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04:12:38 <Mook> hrm, yeah, it itsn't working for me either, for some reason
04:12:54 <Mook> (testing with https://irc.oftc.net:6697/ which does bring up the bad cert thing in Firefox)
04:13:21 <gpsychosis> OH
04:13:22 <Mook> oh, it was just bouncing me to a bad server, nevermind... it does get me the cert.
04:13:24 <gpsychosis> You need to add the port
04:13:28 <gpsychosis> I didn't do that
04:13:35 <gpsychosis> I thought that was only in the connection dialog
04:13:37 <gpsychosis> that works
04:13:46 <gpsychosis> okay
04:13:52 <Mook> yeah, very few IRC servers run on 443 (the default for https) ;)
04:14:21 <gpsychosis> SCIENCE
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04:14:44 <Mook> so, anyway. see if that helps; probably not, but at least it's one thing we can eliminate.
04:14:50 <Mook> as you said, SCIENCE.
04:15:03 <gpsychosis> We'll know after about 15 minutes
04:15:27 <clokep_> I'd be surprised if you're getting kicked for flooding unless you have a big buddy list on the server...
04:15:32 <Mook> while you're doing that: are you in 1) many channels, or 2) channels with many users?
04:15:34 <gpsychosis> usually it progresses to the point where it disconnects every ten seconds
04:15:39 <gpsychosis> 3 channels
04:15:49 <gpsychosis> 48 users, 24 users, 20 users
04:15:56 <Mook> peanuts ;)
04:16:00 <gpsychosis> Yeah, I got banned from the main channel
04:16:05 <gpsychosis> but it expired
04:16:19 <gpsychosis> I spent a half hour trying to work on this through DDG
04:16:40 <clokep_> Mook: Why do you think it matters how many channels or users are in that channel?
04:17:05 <Mook> in case we were doing the whois pings that cz was doing. I don't remember, too many code bases! :p
04:17:06 <gpsychosis> the error was excess flood at first
04:17:11 <clokep_> No.
04:17:16 <clokep_> Pidgin does that, we don't do that crap.
04:17:25 <Mook> (anyway, the largest channel I'm in is at 300, so I think you're safe)
04:17:30 <clokep_> Unless gpsychosis is on a really old version of Instantbird.
04:17:37 <gpsychosis> nightly
04:17:41 <gpsychosis> I like the halloween icon
04:17:58 <gpsychosis> It's a nice touch.
04:18:02 <clokep_> :)
04:18:23 <gpsychosis> Also I responded to the two bug threads I got emailed about
04:18:26 <gpsychosis> sorry it took so long
04:18:39 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1108 to FIXED.
04:18:42 <gpsychosis> No longer experiencing the problem with long-named IRC users not appearing
04:18:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1108 min, --, 1.3, bugi, RESO FIXED, Names of folder and files are not checked against forbidden names.
04:19:24 <gpsychosis> Very hard to check for "appearing offline" users receiving messages, since Instantbird doesn't have that functionality and all my friends use it now ;D
04:19:39 <clokep_> I'm not sure what you mean.
04:19:52 <gpsychosis> That's one of the bugs I just responded to, 1401
04:20:01 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1742 to FIXED.
04:20:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1742 nor, --, 1.3, unghost, RESO FIXED, Add Odnoklassniki protocol
04:20:12 <clokep_> instantbot: bug 1401
04:20:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1401 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Offline MSN contacts don't receive all sent messages
04:20:37 * clokep_ hasn't read his email yet...
04:20:42 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1727 to FIXED.
04:20:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1727 min, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Separate strings for channel and user mode system messages
04:21:57 <gpsychosis> SSL seems to be doing the trick, Mook
04:22:07 <Mook> that... sounds bad :(
04:22:12 <gpsychosis> well it hasn't been ten minutes yet
04:22:14 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1746 to FIXED.
04:22:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1746 nor, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Recent shortcut change eschews cursor shortcuts to moves tabs instead
04:22:22 <clokep_> What network is this on gpsychosis?
04:22:30 <gpsychosis> 99chan.org :V
04:22:45 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1686 to FIXED.
04:22:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1686 nor, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Nicklist speedup: low-hanging fruit
04:23:36 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1694 to FIXED.
04:23:43 * clokep_ doesn't have time to look at that now. :-/
04:23:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1694 enh, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Use twitter icon for twitter tabs
04:24:16 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1573 to FIXED.
04:24:19 <gpsychosis> Nobody in their right mind should have the time for imageboards
04:24:21 <gpsychosis> truly.
04:24:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1573 enh, --, 1.3, clokep, RESO FIXED, Support SASL for IRC
04:24:57 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 833 to FIXED.
04:25:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=833 enh, --, 1.3, bugi, RESO FIXED, Add access keys menu bar items
04:25:37 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1698 to FIXED.
04:25:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1698 nor, --, 1.3, clokep, RESO FIXED, NickServ help message eaten for no good reason
04:29:02 <clokep_> Haha.
04:29:20 <clokep_> Well gpsychosis fi you file a bug with the necessary details I'll try to reproduce when I get a chance, but it probably won't be for a few weeks. :(
04:32:49 <gpsychosis> It's still happening D:
04:34:02 <clokep_> Goodnight.
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05:16:35 <instant-buildbot> build #762 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/762
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12:26:07 * clokep is liking the Twitter icons.
12:26:20 <clokep> Uh...oh...
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12:29:47 <clokep> ShowNick is broken and is breaking the world right now. No messages will show up with it enabled...
12:52:03 * clokep guesses http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/f56c2f9f57a5 but has no idea
13:02:53 <clokep> flo-retina: Btw, sorry about the stuff that didn't apply cleanly. :(
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13:50:13 <flo-retina> clokep: oh yes, it's possible that breaking show nick. Doesn't matter much as we will integrate it by default soon anyway
13:50:21 <flo-retina> *that is
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14:06:26 <instantbot> unghost@gmail.com requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2036 on bug 1742.
14:06:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1742 nor, --, 1.3, unghost, RESO FIXED, Add Odnoklassniki protocol
14:07:27 <instantbot> unghost@gmail.com cleared the Resolution 'FIXED' from bug 1742.
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16:57:45 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 
17:06:17 <flo-retina> Shouldn't we just hide the "Mode +oq for flo-retina set by ChanServ." and "Channel mode +ntr set by gravel.mozilla.org." messages by default?
17:11:41 <flo-retina> the mac nightly this night took 5h9min40s to complete. This is getting really long :-/
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18:55:09 * flo-retina wonders if anybody has ever done something useful with venkman in a recent debug build of Instantbird.
18:55:17 <flo-retina> Should we drop it?
19:07:44 * unghost wonders how to resolve "make: *** No rule to make target `/home/unghost/instantbird/instantbird/.mozconfig.mk'.  Stop." error
19:10:07 <flo-retina> unghost: "touch .mozconfig.mk"
19:10:50 <unghost> thanks
19:11:30 * Mook would be surprised if venkman still worked on any recent build of instantbird
19:11:45 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1752 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
19:11:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1752 maj, --, 1.3, nobody, NEW, No rule to make target srcdir/.mozconfig.mk
19:11:52 <unghost> "configure: error: Invalid value --with-l10n-base, ../locales doesn't exist". Configure doesn't like relative paths :-( sigh
19:12:18 <flo-retina> Mook: well, I don't know if it does
19:12:25 * unghost wants to build langpack
19:12:48 <flo-retina> Mook: I just know that the last times I tried, it was a disaster (breakpoints more broken than at the time I actually used it; crashes, ...)
19:13:00 <Mook> yepyep
19:13:28 <flo-retina> unghost: why do you need to build a langpack yourself?
19:14:04 <flo-retina> + it seems there are 14 missing strings (http://hg.instantbird.org/l10n/locales-status.html#ru) ;)
19:14:08 <unghost> flo-retina, where can I find it? 
19:14:45 <flo-retina> unghost: you can request one from http://buildbot-l10n.instantbird.org/waterfall
19:15:13 <flo-retina> you go to http://buildbot-l10n.instantbird.org/builders/translate, you type "ru" in "Branch to build" and press "Force Build"
19:15:43 <flo-retina> it will be built the next time the builder is around (usually between 2am and 9am French time), and uploaded to our ftp
19:20:25 <flo-retina> Warning: Unhandled IRC message: :rajaniemi.freenode.net CAP * LS :account-notify extended-join identify-msg multi-prefix sasl
19:20:36 <flo-retina> didn't take long to find an issue in that SASL patch
19:34:06 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1753 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
19:34:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1753 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Unhandled IRC message: :rajaniemi.freenode.net CAP * LS :account-notify extended-join identify-msg m
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19:56:48 <unghost> flo-retina, thanks for the tip, I've updated my langpack-creation script
19:57:23 * flo-retina wonders what that script does
19:57:32 <flo-retina> do you test your changes immediately before pushing them?
19:58:18 <unghost> flo-retina, tested immediatly after pushing :-)
19:59:24 <unghost> it just 5 lines little script 
20:00:11 <unghost> I learned that i should call "make -f client.mk configure" instead "make -f client.mk build"
20:01:26 <unghost> and relative paths don't work anymore
20:02:27 <flo-retina> "don't work anymore" is that a recent regression?
20:02:49 <unghost> flo-retina, it worked for 1.2
20:03:40 <unghost> ac_add_options --with-l10n-base=../locales worked before
20:04:07 <unghost> now I have to pass ac_add_options --with-l10n-base=/home/unghost/instantbird/locales
20:04:27 <flo-retina> maybe $(pwd)/../locales would work?
20:09:10 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested feedback from the wind for attachment 2037 on bug 1562.
20:09:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1562 enh, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Integrate Show Nick
20:11:42 <unghost> flo-retina, nope, doesn't work http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1908369
20:12:37 <Mook> out of curiosity, does show nick work well in MUCs with lots of users?
20:13:35 <flo-retina> Mook: we will need to try in #ubuntu :)
20:14:16 <flo-retina> Mook: seems to work for now.
20:14:40 <flo-retina> but my modern retina macbook is way too fast for that kind of testing :-/.
20:14:48 <Mook> run a vm ;)
20:15:21 <flo-retina> not tempting
20:15:40 <flo-retina> Mook: shouldn't the code be pretty efficient anyway?
20:15:59 <flo-retina> what's wrong with a regexp that's 20000 characters long? :)
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21:32:36 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1753 to INVALID.
21:32:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1753 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Unhandled IRC message: :rajaniemi.freenode.net CAP * LS :account-notify extended-join identify-msg m
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21:55:09 <clokep_wp7> flo-retina: I'm supposed to tell you "that's not a bug, that's a feature."
21:55:35 <flo-retina> clokep_wp7: noise in the error console at each successful connection is always a bug from my point of view.
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21:57:24 <flo-retina> ah, I didn't know this message either: "Warning: Unused mode parameters: 2:2"
21:59:32 <flo-retina> keeping old nicks in the ShowNick list isn't as good an optimization as I had hoped. We have to sort the list again when adding nicks, we can't just append them :-/
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22:52:14 <flo-retina> tweaking the CSS for nicks to look good on Dark isn't as easy as it seems :-S
23:01:26 <flo-retina> https://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/07/aurora-16-is-out/ we are on aurora, we can unprefix :)
23:02:37 <Mic> Don't we even have a bug for unprefixing some features already?
23:03:48 <Mic> Maybe I only discussed this with clokep but never filed it.
23:10:42 <flo-retina> I don't remember all the bugs, so it's possible we have one
23:11:03 <flo-retina> or maybe we had one to unprefix things that have been unprefixed in previous gecko releases, and it's already marked as FIXED?
23:13:22 * flo-retina can't find it (neither open nor fixed)
23:30:33 * flo-retina is finally satisfied of the appearance of nicks on Dark
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