#instantbird log on 10 30 2012

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00:44:59 <flo> feedback welcome in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=806228
00:45:32 <clokep> Psh you request feedback before I even get the email?
00:46:27 <flo> I'm just announcing the arrival of a WIP in a bug where everybody may not be cc'ed; I'm not *requesting* feedback (or am I? :-P).
00:47:02 <clokep> flo: It looks fine to me.
00:47:07 <clokep> I don't see any immediate gotchas.
00:47:12 <clokep> But obviously I didn't try it. :)
00:47:42 <flo> it seemed straight forward to write
00:48:02 <flo> now it would be awesome if someone with a fastmail account could check that it's broken, then apply the patch, and check if that fixes it.
00:48:13 <flo> otherwise I'll create a test account someday :)
00:48:26 <clokep> You know...I happen to know someone with a fastmail account!
00:48:52 * flo wonders if someone with a fastmail bugmail address is likely to have an account
00:49:08 <clokep> You mean aleth? ;)
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00:50:34 <flo> I know you love specs, so I included them just for your reading pleasure ;). (Or is it to compete with you and all your IRC specs? :-P)
00:51:35 <clokep> Bah I can't read any other specs besides IRC, my brain is already full up.
00:51:59 <flo> ahah
00:53:53 <flo> ah, fastmail isn't free :-S
00:54:14 <flo> (there's a 2 months free trial though, that should be long enough to test XMPP auth :))
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00:55:45 <clokep> Hmm....my tests are failing to run. :-/
00:56:54 <flo> I wonder how difficult it would be to write a fake XMPP server to test that kind of auth stuff
00:57:02 * clokep is getting an error about "no module named mozinfo".
00:57:31 <Mook_as> yeah, I saw that when I tried to run things last time; see the PYTHONPATH stuff from before
00:57:44 <Mook_as> _why_ it's doing that, I don't know.
00:57:47 * clokep sighs
00:58:08 <clokep> This was on a pastebin somewhere?
00:58:15 <clokep> (Did you just point pythonpath to python?)
00:58:18 <Mook_as> IRC logs, I think
00:58:35 <Mook_as> I think I pointed it at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/build/
01:00:14 <clokep> Bah OK.
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01:06:42 <clokep> $ grep PYTHONPATH *
01:06:43 <clokep> 2012-10-26.061842-0400.json:{"date":"2012-10-27T04:21:45.000Z","who":"Mook","tex
01:06:43 <clokep> t":"PYTHONPATH=C:/src/instantbird/mozilla/testing/mozbase/mozinfo make -C purple
01:06:44 <clokep> /purplexpcom/src/ check-interactive SOLO_FILE=test_purplexpcom","flags":["incomi
01:06:45 <clokep> ng"]}
01:07:02 <clokep> Seems like it's mozilla/testing/mozbase/mozinfo. ;)
01:07:22 <clokep> But I get the same error even w/ that.
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01:35:25 <flo> Good night
01:48:13 * clokep finds it weird that flo goes to bed like 30 minutes or so before him. ;)
01:52:40 <EionRobb> he has to warm it up for you?
01:52:59 <clokep> Now, now. That's going a little far with the trolling.
01:56:37 <EionRobb> \o/
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03:34:45 <instant-buildbot> build #670 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/670
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05:16:37 <instant-buildbot> build #758 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Failure [failed shell_3]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/758
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09:04:02 <Mic> Bug 1746 :(
09:04:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1746 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Recent shortcut change eschews cursor shortcuts to moves tabs instead
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09:14:14 <Mic> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/yesterday/#m503
09:14:25 <EionRobb> stop making bugs
09:14:48 <flo> Mic: hmm?
09:14:50 <Mic> VKontakte should have that problem pretty visible for the target group (as it should be cyrillic there)
09:15:01 <Mic> It also landed with a hard-coded name
09:15:29 <flo> are libpurple prpl's names localized?
09:22:19 <Mic> No, if I'm looking at the right place (searching for the PurplePluginInfo-type object). Should we either leave it or fix it for them too? It should be consistent in my opinion...
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10:30:30 <clokep> Mic, florian: I don't see any reason that we shouldn't localize the names...
10:33:18 <Mic> clokep: I think it will make no or only a little difference for people with the latin alphabet (the services use the same names in different countries) but others (cyrillic is the only other alphabet we currently have locales for, isn't it?) might have advantages from localizing it
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10:38:22 <clokep> OK, I still don't see a reason why we shouldn't do it then. :-D
10:38:26 <clokep> Unless it's because there's little benefit?
10:43:24 <florian> so to start the day, my Mac (Firefox) nightly really doesn't want to update itself (even after a second attempt, and closing all the profiles that were using it), and my Windows (Firefox) nightly crashed 3 times.
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10:51:56 <clokep> :-\
10:53:06 <florian> and the external monitor's image is pink :)
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11:00:55 <florian1> clokep: I typed "/away" "/offline" "/back" in a conversation. At the end of that sequence the IRC account was disconnected. The other accounts were available.
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11:47:00 <clokep_work> florian: I wonder what happens if you send multiple status changes in quick succession. It might cause  race conditions / some might be ignored.
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12:47:17 <clokep_work> florian: So what's keeping us from switch to the Mozilla groups infrastructure for the contact email? It works with external emails. (I know because we get spam on it that I've been discarding. ;))
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13:00:19 <florian> clokep_work: nothing I think
13:07:32 <clokep_work> florian: We should do that then?
13:15:46 <florian> sure
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13:28:39 <clokep_work> Sure didn't take long for them to add growl back to Firefox...
13:28:42 * clokep_work rolls eyes.
13:29:02 <florian> tss :)
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19:37:46 <clokep_work> Anyone have opinions on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=806581?
19:38:27 <clokep_work> Fairly certain it is an r+, but I find it weird to only do it for the one...?
19:38:34 <aleth> flo: Fastmail allowed you to sign up for free accounts until a few weeks ago
19:40:52 <aleth> clokep_work: I have no real opinion on this, but since the string is in the protocol.properties file, I guess it's OK to do it case by case
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19:49:16 * aleth would test the fastmail patch if he could apply it to IB...
19:49:20 <aleth> I forget: do we have a pref to switch IB XMPP to js-xmpp?
19:53:05 <aleth> Random thought: should we use the app tab "glow" effect from FF for IB tabs with unread mesages instead of colouring the text?
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19:57:13 <clokep_work> aleth: No pref, but Mic knows how to do it.
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19:59:26 <clokep_work> aleth: See bug 800 for your other idea. ;)
19:59:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=800 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tab style for message notifications could be better.
20:00:43 <aleth> Heh, that's been there a while...
20:00:58 <clokep_work> aleth: I'd love if someone could actually clean up the styling and implement it. :)
20:01:01 <clokep_work> I'm not good enough at CSS for it.
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20:01:14 <clokep_work> I do have a userChrome style at home that kind of does it though
20:02:06 <aleth> clokep_work: Do you know when the FF tab style will switch to Australis? It might not be worth investing too much effort in something that will have to be changed soon anyway
20:02:31 <aleth> OTOH we probably don't get those changes applied automatically anyway.
20:03:01 <clokep_work> aleth: I don't know, we would need to port the tabs anyway. See bug bug 771
20:03:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=771 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make aero conversation tabs look like Firefox 4 tabs
20:03:06 <clokep_work> (For example)
20:05:49 <aleth> So the thing to do is probably to make the switch to Australis first and then add that... sounds like a task for rainy days.
20:07:30 <aleth> It would probably not be too bad if we didn't have to make many changes to the CSS when porting. I guess flo will remember how much work it was to transfer the tabs last time...?
20:08:43 <clokep_work> I don't think it is too bad, no.
20:10:39 <clokep_work> Interesting in doing it? ;)
20:11:00 <aleth> I'm not sure I have the CSS skills either.
20:11:11 <clokep_work> I wouldn't say that bug is blocked on switching to Australis btw, but I guess it would save some re-doing of work.
20:11:27 <aleth> Might take a look though at the TB tab code though...
20:11:59 <aleth> I don't think it makes sense to port some app tab CSS and then have to redoit with the Australis version of the same soon after
20:12:29 * clokep_work doesn't know if Australis will land...
20:12:54 <aleth> Really? I was under the impression it was a done deal, landed in TB etc.
20:13:23 <clokep_work> It landed in Thunderbird because andreasn went ahead and finished it for TB.
20:13:30 <clokep_work> I haven't been following any of the work for it for Fx though.
20:13:45 <aleth> It does seem to have been going on for ages.
20:17:40 <clokep_work> Right.
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20:20:48 <aleth> Useful new page! https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla_event_reference
20:27:18 <clokep_work> Ah, you have no idea how many times I've looked for that page...
20:31:25 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from benediktp@ymail.com  for attachment 2022 on bug 1746.
20:31:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1746 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Recent shortcut change eschews cursor shortcuts to moves tabs instead
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20:52:52 <instantbot> New Core - Twitter bug 1747 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
20:52:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1747 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Reply to tweet sometimes replies to wrong target when replying to a next message tweet
20:55:03 <clokep_work> aleth: Is it based on some weird mouse location?
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20:56:38 <aleth> No, that's not it.
20:57:23 <aleth> I'm puzzled by it. I have a bunch of tweets and it only happens for the second and third in a bubble with multiple tweets in it.
20:57:43 <aleth> Later tweets in the same bubble are OK again.
20:59:33 <clokep_work> :-/
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21:03:37 <clokep_work> Blocking? Hrash...
21:04:10 <aleth> Well, you are sending ping messages to the wrong people with no indication you have done so.
21:04:19 <aleth> (Unless you pay attention...)
21:05:31 <aleth> If we had some form of twitter conversation threading we would have noticed this earlier I think.
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21:06:42 <clokep_work> Yeah, I don't disagree. :)
21:06:46 <clokep_work> Just means we need to fix it now! :-D
21:06:57 <clokep_work> It'd be nice to know if it is the backend or the UI that's messing up.
21:07:01 <aleth> Yeah, I put it there so it doesn't get forgotten ;)
21:07:36 <aleth> Yup...
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21:18:31 <aleth> flo: That would not surprise me. I doubt it's a twitter.js bug
21:19:35 <aleth> Good idea to check the unread ruler code for that...
21:21:17 <flo> FWIW, porting Firefox's tabs was ~1 week of active work.
21:21:38 <flo> aleth: I didn't check any code, just expressed a random guess :)
21:22:09 <aleth> flo: Yeah, it'll be me doing the checking ;)
21:23:19 <flo> :)
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21:24:09 <aleth> Once I saw the bug disappeared after restoring from hold I had my suspicions ;)
21:24:27 <flo> oh so you were already looking in that direction? :)
21:24:56 <flo> I pointed you to the _originalMsg property because it's what we use to detect which message has been clicked
21:25:18 <flo> btw, if these properties are messed up, magic copy will never be able to copy these messages
21:25:24 <aleth> Yes, that's really helpful. I hadn't got that far.
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22:09:10 <aleth> Anyone else seen "Error: Search service falling back to synchronous initialization at ...nsSearchService.js:2498...", new since one of the recent moz updates?
22:12:07 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2023 on bug 1747.
22:12:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1747 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Reply to tweet sometimes replies to wrong target when replying to a next message tweet
22:21:03 <flo> aleth: I saw that frequently on Tb debug builds
22:22:15 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2023 on bug 1747.
22:22:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1747 nor, --, ---, nobody, ASSI, _originalMsg property not set on message following unread ruler when rejoining bubbles
22:22:50 <flo> aleth: I've been annoyed once or twice by magic copy stubbornly refusing to copy some messages, but couldn't figure out what was going on. I'm glad it's understood now! :)
22:24:55 <aleth> I think it happened to me once too, and I thought it must be a strange edge case like bug 790
22:24:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Some messages lost during magic copy
22:28:19 * aleth wishes fastmail conversation threading were clever enough to thread BIO messages by bug number
22:29:55 <aleth> Can TB do this?
22:30:43 <flo> probably, I think bugzilla has some special mail headers for that
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22:53:39 <clokep> aleth: Yes Thunderbird threads bugmail.
22:53:49 <clokep> It uses the Reply-To header IIRC.
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23:05:38 <clokep> Hmm.... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798491 is....interesting...
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23:30:16 <flo> clokep: uh :-S.
23:30:26 <flo> clokep: I'm not sure if I like it or hate it.
23:30:38 <clokep> I've decided that I hate it flo.
23:30:41 <clokep> But maybe because it's change. :)
23:30:58 <flo> clokep: did they suddenly just made all Firefox add-ons containing .jsm files incompatible, just for a B2G detail?
23:31:16 <clokep> flo: They said it won't make add-ons incompatible.
23:31:24 <clokep> There's a mozilla.dev.platform thread about it.
23:35:02 <flo> "They said it won't make add-ons incompatible." and did they say it in a way that you could believe?
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23:35:34 <clokep> flo: I'd say I believe them about 65%.
23:36:00 * flo takes that as a "no"
23:36:19 <flo> a correct technical explanation shouldn't let doubts remain
23:48:45 <clokep> Hah, maybe.