#instantbird log on 10 28 2012

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01:02:26 <instant-buildbot> build #324 of win32-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/324
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01:38:25 <DerpMon> When will some of the nice emoticons and themes for earlier versions be updated to work with the newest Instantbird?
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01:49:29 <DerpMon> Is anyone here?
01:54:57 <DerpMon> Why is everyone quiet?
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02:16:03 <DerpMon> hi?
02:16:09 <DerpMon> anyone here?
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02:56:31 <DerpMon> hi?
02:56:53 <DerpMon> Someone here?
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03:36:18 <instant-buildbot> build #668 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/668
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03:53:38 <clokep_wp7> DerpMon: most people are asleep
03:54:12 <clokep_wp7> You'd need to ask the authors to upgrade them though 
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04:45:50 <DerpMon> ok
04:45:58 <DerpMon> how do u contact them
04:53:07 <instant-buildbot> build #664 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/664
05:19:17 <instant-buildbot> build #756 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/756
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07:32:10 <instant-buildbot> build #306 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/306
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11:27:15 <BlueMaxima> I appear to be having a problem where Twitter keeps giving me a 401 error
11:27:25 <BlueMaxima> "unauthorized"
11:27:32 <BlueMaxima> although I've authorised the app a million times
11:28:00 <BlueMaxima> (I'm running the latest nightly just for the record)
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12:27:45 <FeuerFliege> BlueMaxima: You must use the same username to login as in IB, it won't work if you login with your email adress
12:32:13 <BlueMaxima> FeuerFliege, I did login with just the username
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12:44:38 <clokep> BlueMaxima: Is this an account that used to work and is now throwing an error? First thing I'd try is...wait a little bit and then try again. The Twitter servers can be flaky.
12:44:45 <clokep> If it's a new account...it could be something else...
12:45:44 <BlueMaxima> Just wiped and upgraded to Windows 8 but Twitter was working fine (minus that bug where your feed would stop working after a random amount of time) while I was on W7
12:46:31 <clokep> OK, so it's a new account then? (Or did you transfer your profile.)
12:47:05 <clokep> Hmm....I know we used to have a weird bug about having to have the capitalization the same as when you log into Twitter, but I think we had fixed that.
12:49:10 <BlueMaxima> New account
12:49:24 <BlueMaxima> I didn't know you could transfer your profile
12:58:58 <clokep> Yeah, you can just copy and paste it.
12:59:07 <clokep> What I plan to do when my Windows 8 copy gets here. ;)
13:00:07 <BlueMaxima> sounds like fun :D
13:02:07 <BlueMaxima> But yeah; it's annoying that Twitter never seems to work properly for me on Instantbird :(
13:19:34 <clokep> I'm sorry to hear that. :-/
13:21:50 <BlueMaxima> If I knew how to duplicate it I would but it happens at complete random
13:22:24 <BlueMaxima> The funny thing is, the bug I'm getting with the 401 error would actually sorta kinda fix the problem by throwing the Twitter account offline for a second and then reconnecting so it grabs all the new tweets
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13:48:21 <flo-retina> 401 can often mean that the oauth signature is wrong
13:48:39 <flo-retina> I wonder if there could be specific characters that are mis-encoded before signing them
13:48:58 <flo-retina> BlueMaxima: do you have something in the "tracked keywords" field?
13:49:35 <BlueMaxima> Nothing in there, no
13:50:36 <BlueMaxima> Also, I noticed something on Windows 8's default settings...
13:50:39 <BlueMaxima> Needs a screenshot
13:51:57 <flo-retina> pfff @ https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789745#c30
13:52:00 <flo-retina> stupid server :(
13:52:32 <clokep> :-/
13:52:42 <clokep> Checking the version is the exact way you're supposed to check, right?
13:52:51 <BlueMaxima> http://i.imgur.com/sz1Zd.png
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13:55:18 <clokep> BlueMaxima: Looks like bug 935
13:55:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=935 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, em and pt usage in CSS causes size/alignment errors for certain font sizes and DPI settings
13:56:45 <BlueMaxima> Yeah that's pretty much it
13:57:02 <BlueMaxima> Problem is that Windows 8's default text side is 125%/150% (I forget which one)
13:57:14 <BlueMaxima> So anyone who upgrades to Windows 8 and uses Instantbird is gonna run face first into that
13:57:39 <flo-retina> clokep: some part of some spec says that it's possible for servers supporting both SASL and the legacy auth to advertise the legacy auth in the feature list, to keep backward compatibility with old clients that don't support SASL.
13:57:59 <flo-retina> clokep: but in this case the server advertizes the legacy auth, and doesn't support SASL. (ie it sucks.)
14:00:23 <clokep> Oh. :-/
14:00:26 <GeekShadow> hello
14:00:39 <GeekShadow> flo-retina, I have a question for you ;)
14:00:47 <clokep> BlueMaxima: Default for me was 100%.
14:00:57 <GeekShadow> flo-retina, can I cross-compile universal dmg on a ppc ?
14:00:57 * clokep is off to play disc golf...
14:00:58 <BlueMaxima> clokep, wasn't for me...that's weird
14:01:08 <GeekShadow> in case of mozilla products
14:01:19 <flo-retina> GeekShadow: can you be more specific?
14:01:31 <flo-retina> which universal build? Which PPC machine?
14:02:04 <GeekShadow> flo-retina, I have an iMac G5 PPC, and want to compile for Intel/PPC
14:03:00 <flo-retina> GeekShadow: is it running OS X 10.5?
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14:04:38 <GeekShadow> it will 
14:05:15 <GeekShadow> currently it's 10.3 but I will upgrade it
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14:06:44 <flo-retina> GeekShadow: so with an OS older than 10.5, there's just no way you can compile recent mozillas
14:07:07 <flo-retina> GeekShadow: with 10.5, it should be possibly but painful to build Gecko up to 16.
14:07:21 <GeekShadow> flo-retina, it's for nightingale so 1.9.2
14:07:24 <flo-retina> Gecko 17 dropped support for 10.5, and 10.6 dropped support for PPC.
14:07:40 <GeekShadow> I know
14:08:09 <flo-retina> ok, I think 1.9.2 still supported PPC out of the box, so there shouldn't be any issue
14:08:36 <GeekShadow> yup, but can it produce universal builds on ppc ?
14:09:13 <flo-retina> GeekShadow: Instantbird mac builds are built from a PowerMac G5 ;)
14:10:08 <GeekShadow> but you are using an higher version of gecko...
14:10:09 <flo-retina> so fastmail is running an XMPP server which has its latest version released in 2008? :-S
14:10:41 <flo-retina> GeekShadow: we've been doing universal builds of Instantbird from that machine since Instantbird 0.1.2
14:11:43 <flo-retina> and 0.1.2 was based on Mozilla ;)
14:12:31 <flo-retina> GeekShadow: instantbird 0.2 was on Mozilla
14:12:43 <GeekShadow> ok
14:13:27 <GeekShadow> well I have to upgrade my iMac and then set up everything to build then :D
14:16:30 <flo-retina> and be very patient
14:16:43 <GeekShadow> I guess ^^
14:16:50 <GeekShadow> with only 256mb of ram
14:16:51 <flo-retina> an universal build takes 4-6 hours on our PowerMac G5, which is one of the fastest PPC machines that have been shipped...
14:16:55 <flo-retina> ouch
14:17:06 <flo-retina> we have 2.5GB of RAM ;)
14:22:20 <GeekShadow> ohoh ^^
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15:26:44 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2019 on bug 1694.
15:26:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1694 enh, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Use twitter icon for twitter tabs
15:32:29 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2020 on bug 1694.
15:32:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1694 enh, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Use twitter icon for twitter tabs
15:35:10 <rosonline> aleth: Hello! Would I create an Instantbird PPA?
15:36:59 <aleth> rosonline: Hi! None of the devs uses ubuntu, so we don't know how to package things for ubuntu. But it would be great if someone did! ;)
15:38:06 <rosonline> So, I'll try it. I'm search ways to do i
15:38:07 <rosonline> t
15:38:18 <aleth> Great :)
15:39:01 <rosonline> So, I'll creat an PPA. Any sugestions for the name of PPA?
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15:40:46 <aleth> I don't know what the naming conventions are on Launchpad. My guess is you would make one in your own launchpad account first, test that it works, and then maybe it could be moved to a more "official" one. But that is just my guess (I don't know anything about packaging).
15:42:20 <aleth> By the way, there is already a (really old and out of date) Instantbird package in the official ubuntu/debian repo, you would probably want to make sure that your PPA 'replaces' it if it is already installed.
15:43:04 <aleth> But those are details for when you get it working...
15:48:48 <rosonline> I did create the PPA. I'll learn how compile a deb package.
15:49:27 <aleth> Excellent - let us know how it goes! :)
15:52:54 <rosonline> the PPA address? 
15:53:15 <aleth> I meant, let us know if you manage to get it working ;)
15:54:04 <aleth> I am sure there are a lot of ubuntu users who would prefer to install IB from a PPA.
15:55:24 <aleth> clokep: Could you test the contact list keyboard accessibility changes work/look the way they should on Windows now they have landed?
15:56:03 <rosonline> ok! I'll do it
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16:32:23 <rosonline> Is anyone uses Ubuntu?
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16:34:03 <flo-retina> is fastmail common enough that we should offer a protocol override for it by default?
16:34:16 <flo-retina> it seems painful to setup
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17:22:54 <aleth> flo-retina: I don't think fastmail for email is that common, using their chat server is probably even less so. If they should update their software, maybe pinging them about it would be an easier solution?
17:24:51 <aleth> Unless -  fastmail the company is part of Opera now, maybe the same server is offered to Opera users in some way?
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17:26:40 <aleth> Hmm, that's odd, now it's landed, the CSS for tabbing through the blist acts slightly differently. I wonder if that's down to the intervening gecko updates...
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17:27:45 <rosonline> aleth: Use you an Ubuntu PC?
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17:29:22 <aleth> rosonline: No, sorry
17:30:53 <rosonline> I did the deb package, and I would know if it'll work in the Ubuntu. There's an Instantbird version in my PC
17:31:12 <rosonline> I need the other ubuntu PC
17:31:28 <rosonline> or a virtual machine
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18:15:38 <flo-retina> aleth: I don't think they would update the version of their customized server just for us.
18:15:46 <flo-retina> aleth: I think we should just support that edge case in the auth code.
18:16:36 <aleth> flo-retina: I don't have any context, I just saw what looked like the last half of a conversation in the logs...
18:16:55 <aleth> (So I don't know what the edge case is you are referring to ;) )
18:17:31 <flo-retina> aleth: JS-XMPP can't login to the fastmail XMPP servers because they announce version 1.0 but don't support SASL.
18:17:42 <flo-retina> They do advertize support for the legacy auth though, so we could use it.
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18:20:32 * aleth is unhappy that something has broken the blist CSS he added :(
18:21:02 <aleth> flo-retina: When you tab to the status message on Mac, does the text shift position for you?
18:22:11 <flo-retina> aleth: my current nightly is 2 days old, so I don't think it includes your changes already
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18:31:15 <aleth> Something must have changed in the way negative margins are applied...
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19:03:27 <aleth> Aha! Problem found :) It was an add-on that did it.
19:04:35 <aleth> The nightly on its own is fine.
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19:56:26 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1745 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
19:56:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1745 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tweets in twitter logs don't have the full context menu
20:26:33 <clokep> flo-retina: Doesn't someone here use fastmail? aleth maybe?
20:26:46 <clokep> aleth: I can test stuff sure, just let me know what you want me to test!
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20:27:22 <aleth> clokep: I don't think there's a problem anymore, but just tab through the contact window
20:27:49 <aleth> (and make sure everything is accessible)
20:27:56 <aleth> clokep: I don't use fastmail XMPP though
20:28:11 <clokep> aleth: Yes, but I thought you might know how popular it is. :-D
20:28:22 <clokep> What should tab cycle through?
20:29:17 <aleth> clokep: That's why I replied earlier ;)
20:29:18 <clokep> It's possible chriscoulson has some information about ppas btw, he (I think?) made the old Instantbird one and he maintains the Thunderbird ones?
20:29:32 <aleth> rosonline ^^ 
20:29:41 * clokep thinks 1745 is a dup...
20:29:45 <aleth> clokep: To the user icon, status message, etc
20:30:24 <clokep> aleth: Yes it works fine.
20:30:33 <clokep> aleth: Although you can't tell half the time what is focused...
20:30:54 <aleth> Why can't you tell?
20:33:17 <aleth> (That's one of the things that should be fixed...)
20:34:27 <clokep> aleth: Because there's no like dotted box or anything when I'm on display name saying that's focused? If I hit enter it'll start editing it.
20:34:42 <aleth> clokep: I just added a focus ring :(
20:34:51 <aleth> Are you sure you're on the latest nightly?
20:35:08 <clokep> aleth: I'm not on the latest nightly.
20:35:22 <aleth> OK then :D
20:35:57 <clokep> You didn't specify. ;)
20:36:17 <aleth> Sorry... that's why I asked, because the changes have not been tested on Windows
20:36:35 <EionRobb> you chaps planning on a win8 version of IB?
20:36:51 <clokep> EionRobb: I assume you mean one actually using the Metro UI?
20:37:18 <EionRobb> yeah
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20:40:48 <clokep> aleth: Fixed.
20:41:24 <aleth> Good :) I asked because Aero sometimes gets separate style rules...
20:42:38 <clokep> Yup.
21:19:47 * aleth misses interdiff
21:21:11 <aleth> Any news on the BIO-BMO move? Wasn't it slated for Q4?
21:24:47 <aleth> Is this a mac issue or a larger problem? https://twitter.com/AustinNix123/status/262611530997190656
21:25:58 <EionRobb> worksforme
21:26:32 <aleth> EionRobb: I think it refers to a11y not the site being down.
21:26:47 <EionRobb> ah ok
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21:42:27 <clokep> aleth: "soon" still...
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21:47:03 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm granted feedback for attachment 2009 on bug 1573.
21:47:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1573 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Support SASL for IRC
21:50:11 <aleth> There are around 65 daily users of the Dark Chat message style.
21:50:17 * aleth is surprised...
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21:56:55 <clokep> Thanks aleth.
22:00:11 <aleth> Oops, referring to a channel name on twitter just looks like a hashtag :-S
22:00:40 <clokep> Yeah well, Twitter probably isn't made to refer to IRC channels... ;)
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22:45:13 <clokep> aleth: Thanks for the feedback. I have no idea what the best user experience is still... :-/
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23:36:43 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1744 to FIXED.
23:36:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1744 nor, --, 1.3, florian, RESO FIXED, Fix Windows test failures from Mozilla 16 update
23:37:44 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1489 to FIXED.
23:37:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1489 nor, --, 1.3, florian, RESO FIXED, Update to Mozilla 16
23:38:59 <clokep> Guess no one ever closed those. ;)
23:52:44 <clokep> Quite a few bugs fixed for 1.3 already... https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=FIXED&target_milestone=1.3&list_id=3164