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02:08:21 <clokep> aleth: Can you post a screenshot of bug 1694? :)
02:08:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1694 enh, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Use twitter icon for twitter tabs
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04:08:12 <instant-buildbot> build #743 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Failure [failed shell_3]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/743
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06:05:58 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com cancelled feedback?(florian@instantbi rd.org) for attachment 1959 on bug 435.
06:05:59 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com requested feedback from florian@instantbi rd.org for attachment 1961 on bug 435.
06:06:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=435 min, --, ---, benediktp, NEW, Hide "Show custom smilies"-option for libpurple XMPP and MSN
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06:16:26 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted feedback for attachment 1961 on bug 435.
06:16:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=435 min, --, ---, benediktp, NEW, Hide "Show custom smilies"-option for libpurple XMPP and MSN
06:16:50 <instant-buildbot> build #650 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/650
06:31:59 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1962 on bug 435.
06:32:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=435 min, --, ---, benediktp, NEW, Hide "Show custom smilies"-option for libpurple XMPP and MSN and make it default to false
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10:27:12 <clokep> Good morning.
10:40:25 <clokep> flo: For what it's worth those lines you pointed to in the runxpcshelltests.py...changed a bit for Moz 16.
10:40:32 <clokep> So it might be that updating will fix it again.
10:47:13 * clokep tried applying the patch in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762837
10:47:18 <clokep> But that didn't work...hmm...
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14:54:19 <aleth> clokep_work: https://i.minus.com/j53nZ3VZSTpPW.png
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15:01:30 <Mic> Hey, what's the Twitter icon thing for?
15:02:25 <aleth> That was a request by flo, to make twitter tabs more easily distinguishable
15:03:30 <Mic> To make people aware that things in there might be visible to everyone or why do they need to be more distinguashable than others?
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15:05:21 <aleth> Yes, to distinguish them from other MUCs I think.
15:05:37 <aleth> You'd have to ask him though ;)
15:05:51 <Mic> Can we have other Twitter conversations than the timeline by the way?
15:06:12 <aleth> Not at the moment, but it's planned...
15:06:14 <Mic> I think I never tried (and double clicking a participant only gives a not-implemented-error on the console)
15:06:28 <aleth> Twitter DMs aren't implemented, but they would open as normal conversations I guess
15:08:41 <aleth> I don't think anyone has looked into the details...
15:09:15 <aleth> Also it should one day be possible to show other people's timelines. Those would be MUCs too though
15:09:59 <dew> multiple use cases?
15:10:05 <aleth> multi-user chats
15:10:10 <Mic> What does add-buddy do again? I just tried to add cloke p and nothing happened (something was sent to the twitter servers though, with create<whatever> in the url). Does it ... start following people or so?
15:10:37 <aleth> Good question. I've used /follow for that, which surprisingly works despite not being implemented
15:11:00 <aleth> There's lots still to do with the twitter protocol :-(
15:11:43 <aleth> I'm not sure what a "twitter buddy" would be
15:12:10 <aleth> Twitter has no presence info after all
15:13:06 <Mic> I guess I had expected it to allow me to open a "conversation" with the contact (that would be DMs again?)
15:13:17 <aleth> That would be a DM I guess
15:13:39 <aleth> Though I'm not sure how twitter DMs work - can you really have a private conversation that way?
15:14:26 <Mic> I've no idea (and I'm not that much interested in micro-blogging in general either).
15:14:50 <aleth> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/twitter/twitter.js#509
15:14:57 <aleth> Looks like it follows them, yes
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15:20:29 <Mic> bye
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15:38:14 <clokep_work> aleth: Looks nice. :) I wa sconcerned it would look out of place
15:39:04 <aleth> clokep_work: Yup, it had to be tried out, but I think on balance it's a good idea.
15:39:18 <clokep_work> aleth: Mic: Yes, Twitter DMs are fully private.
15:39:32 <clokep_work> That's what should be done when you double click a participant.
15:40:00 <aleth> But is a response to a DM automatically a DM?
15:40:02 <clokep_work> aleth: Mic: And yes, the reason to change the icon is so people realize it isn't a MUC, it's Twitter you're posting to.
15:40:26 <clokep_work> (Btw, I'm fairly certain the patch looked good.)
15:40:42 <aleth> It's a pretty trivial patch.
15:40:57 <aleth> Feel free to steal the review ;)
15:41:13 <clokep_work> No thank you. :)
15:41:22 <clokep_work> That changes things in instantbird/, not in chat/, right?
15:41:35 <aleth> Yes, it's UI only.
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15:46:28 <clokep_work> aleth: Cool. :)
15:46:40 <clokep_work> And yes, I'd really love more of those Twitter features.
15:46:45 <clokep_work> It sholdn't be too bad to implement.
15:46:54 <clokep_work> Would be a good place for someone to really improve both IB and TB.
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16:06:51 <instantbot> bugi@media.fjmail.de granted review for attachment 1792 on bug 1619.
16:06:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1619 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, [DE] Korrekturen an der Download-Seite (corrections for the download page)
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16:07:22 <instantbot> bugi@media.fjmail.de set the Resolution field on bug 1619 to FIXED.
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16:39:01 <clokep_work> Good evening florian! :)
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16:40:12 <florian> clokep_work: hello :)
16:40:55 <florian> clokep_work: I'm getting started at MoCo, in the orientation meeting, at the point where they recommend people install Instantbird ;).
16:41:19 <clokep_work> florian: Did they mention that you're the main developer?
16:42:13 <florian> She said it's "made by Mozillians including our own Florian" (and she showed the screen/camera with her hand)
16:42:35 <florian> some people are getting started with Adium
16:42:40 <clokep_work> Gross.
16:42:56 <florian> Instantbird was just part of the list of suggested clients. But at least 2 people picked it.
16:43:05 <clokep_work> :)
16:43:06 <florian> s/people/new MoCo employees/
16:46:04 <clokep_work> :-D
16:46:12 * clokep_work waits for new people to come in and ask questions. ;)
16:46:16 <dew> Congrats :)
16:46:54 <aleth> florian: Do you know what you will be working on yet post-TB?
16:47:13 <florian> aleth: yes, I'm starting today on my new position. I joined the WebRTC team.
16:47:20 <aleth> :)
16:47:26 * aleth sees some synergies ;)
16:47:40 <florian> aleth: I will probably spend most of this week reading documentation, so not much actual coding in the immediate future ;).
16:47:49 <aleth> Congrats, anyway :)
16:47:53 <florian> aleth: thanks :)
16:48:39 <dew> that's great!
16:48:44 <dew> I'm jealous :P
16:48:57 <clokep_work> Apparently that's in Aurora now? Beta? Whatever.
16:49:00 * clokep_work saw some post about it...
16:49:52 <florian> I think we could improve https://wiki.mozilla.org/IRC for Instantbird to be more obvious there ;)
16:49:59 <florian> clokep_work: nightly
16:50:19 <florian> clokep_work: social API is in beta (I think), but webrtc is just nightly I think
16:50:42 <clokep_work> florian: Add a section to the "Connect" part?
16:50:47 <clokep_work> florian: Ah, OK.
16:51:10 <florian> clokep_work: yes, I think I would like to see an "Instantbird" link in the "Contents" table :)
16:52:14 * clokep_work has a presentation and will be back in an hourish.
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18:06:08 <dew> new trillian update
18:06:14 <dew> looks familiar to me ;)
18:06:41 <dew> I think they took the circle availablity from InstantBird
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18:10:29 <dew> wb
18:10:55 <clokep_work> Thanks.
18:12:21 * clokep_work doesn't understand Trillian...
18:12:34 <dew> why not?
18:13:12 <clokep_work> It reminds me of WinAmp.
18:13:21 <clokep_work> (in that the UI looks god awful.)
18:13:30 <dew> I like the UI
18:13:59 <dew> I use the no skin thing though
18:14:16 <clokep_work> I hate non-native UI.
18:14:33 <dew> close enough :P
18:14:44 <dew> I hate fat aero borders :P
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18:16:30 <clokep_work> Please don't make this an argument about not liking Windows.
18:16:35 * clokep_work is not in the mood.
18:17:26 <dew> no I like windows
18:17:48 <dew> I'm looking forward to windows 8 actually
18:19:57 <clokep_work> Windows 8 is pretty snappy.
18:20:01 * clokep_work wants to play with a Surface.
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18:24:37 <dew> yeah that's why I'm looking forward to it :)
18:24:53 <dew> I hope my games run fine on it
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18:29:19 <clokep_work> Yes, well they almost definitely won't unless you have a Surface Pro.
18:31:55 <clokep_work> Mic: Do you dislike the Twitter icon?
18:32:25 <dew> Well I mean on the desktop.  I can't afford a tablet :/
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18:32:47 <Mic> Congratulations flo, Mozilla always seemed a great company to work at :)
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18:33:40 <Mic> clokep_work: no, it's pretty OK.
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18:34:34 <Mic> I was only curious why Twitter was special-cased. It had nothing to do with the icon itself.
18:35:47 <clokep_work> Mic: Ah, OK. We still haven't gotten you using Twitter besides re-tweeting my tweets? :P
18:38:52 <Mic> That's basically what I do, yes. I track Instantbird and sometimes I write something about it.
18:40:32 <Mic> I could of course start writing about it when I have a cup of coffee, or when I'm annoyed by today's weather, or rant about anything else ... ;)
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18:58:18 <clokep_work> aleth: Thanks.
18:58:22 <clokep_work> Thta bug had fallen off my radar.
18:58:53 <aleth> clokep_work: You basically said it all in your comment already, but I wondered if it had been misunderstood somehow
18:59:59 <clokep_work> aleth: I had wondered that too, and had rewritten something similar to your comment a few hours ago.
19:00:03 <clokep_work> And then decided it was obvious enough.
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19:06:00 <aleth> It probably was, but you never know with a language barrier...
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19:07:36 <aleth> The mentor flag, is that a standard mozilla thing?
19:13:22 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes.
19:19:15 <clokep_work> (We don't really use it since we all mentor everything. :P)
19:19:21 <clokep_work> But to make it obvious I'm someone to contact...
19:19:40 <aleth> I can see why it would be really necessary on BMO...
19:20:01 * Mic is failing with hg :S
19:21:40 <clokep_work> Mic: What are you trying to do?
19:22:32 <Mic> I want to work on bug 1511 and am trying to import the patch I already had
19:22:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1511 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Possible to add duplicate accounts
19:22:53 <Mic> It fails to apply any of the hunks in there.
19:23:24 <Mic> I tried updating to the revision that it was based on, and then to apply it but it didn't work either
19:24:14 <clokep_work> Mic: Are the paths right?
19:24:29 <clokep_work> Hmm...they seem to be...
19:24:44 * clokep_work would do hg revert --all && hg up -C
19:24:54 <clokep_work> Uhh...the first part of that is probably not necessary.
19:25:02 <clokep_work> Note that you lose changes w/ those commands. :)
19:25:11 <Mic> Yes, the rejected are also saved to the correct directories
19:25:51 <clokep_work> And when you look manually it seems like they should apply?
19:27:25 <Mic> Yes, I checked two of the files and it looked right
19:28:12 <clokep_work> I'd be surprised if the GTalk part applied.
19:28:21 <clokep_work> I'm not sure about the other parts.
19:28:23 <Mic> Maybe the line numbers in jsProtoHelper could be off by one (but maybe it's just me not counting like diff does;)
19:29:02 <clokep_work> If just the line numbers are different it will usually find them.
19:29:08 <clokep_work> Remember all the context lines need to be identical for it to apply.
19:29:08 <aleth> There should be command line options you can add so that doesn't matter. Also -ignore-whitespace maybe?
19:29:08 <Mic> What's the thing with gtalk?
19:29:25 <clokep_work> That file has changed a bit AFAIK.
19:29:32 <clokep_work> So I wouldn't expect that patch to apply anymore.
19:31:05 <Mic> OK, I'll just apply the changes manually then
19:31:09 <Mic> Thanks
19:33:10 <clokep_work> Sorry. :(
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19:37:16 <Mic> Why? Applying the changes myself actually saved time now ;)
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20:25:39 <Mic> Using nsURI.equals was a great idea: http://i.imgur.com/jhWdH.png :)
20:26:16 <clokep_work> Mic: Nice. :)
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20:35:54 <EionRobb> cool :)
20:36:25 <EionRobb> I wonder how libpurple treats that
20:37:31 <EionRobb> aww, it doesn't like dns lookups for irc.hähöhü.de
20:42:46 <clokep_work> Doesn't like the Unicode garbage?
20:43:28 <clokep_work> florian: By the way, did you see that IRC bug about sending too long of messages? :P Looks like you're not the only one that wants that.
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20:44:44 <EionRobb> oh, it supports it, its just not compiled in on win32
20:44:52 <clokep_work> Btw, I thought that //stuff would have /stuff be treated as plaintext instead of a command...did we remove that functionality?
20:45:10 <clokep_work> EionRobb: Ah, OK. Yeah Instantbird is pretty much the same on all platforms. No crazy windows building...
20:51:45 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1726 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
20:51:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1726 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Part and join system messages are asymmetric
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20:56:17 <flo> Mic: thanks! :)
20:56:41 <flo> aleth: how does that tab icon look when the twitter account (or the general user status) is offline?
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20:57:21 <aleth> It reverts to the generic chat-left icon.
20:58:28 <flo> clokep_work: so that IRC bug isn't really annoying me directly.
20:59:21 <flo> The reason I filed it and cared about was that it made someone (who leads the French l10n team for Mozilla) look bad, and I really don't want to discourage him from using Instantbird/recommending Instantbird to new French localizers.
20:59:45 <flo> for my own usage, I know the easy workaround is so include line breaks in a message that looks a little bit long before sending it.
21:00:45 <flo> (of course I would like to not have to think about this limitation any more, but *I* can easily live with it)
21:00:59 <flo> aleth: "It reverts to the generic chat-left icon." isn't that confusing?
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21:01:06 <Mic> aleth: shouldn't it rather look like the icon for a timeline on hold when the account is disconnected?
21:01:53 * clokep_work agrees with flo and Mic.
21:01:58 <clokep_work> flo: Ah, I see. :(
21:02:04 <clokep_work> It's on my todo list though. :)
21:02:05 <aleth> I thought "all offline tabs are alike" but I don't mind changing it
21:03:07 <flo> aleth: I'm afraid you will need a new icon file to fix that :-/
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21:03:56 <clokep_work> We don't just overlay the little dot over it? It's a separate icon? :(
21:04:39 <Mic> clokep_work: we do that on the contact list but I think it won't work on tabs
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21:05:09 <flo> clokep_work: for chat tabs it's a separate icon
21:05:13 <aleth> Whoever made the chat-left icon probably tried and failed...
21:05:18 <flo> clokep_work: for conversations on hold, it's an overlay
21:05:50 <flo> aleth: I think that chat-left icon is subtly more polished than just putting the grey dot as an overaly
21:05:52 <flo> *overlay
21:06:00 <flo> isn't there one less bubble?
21:06:16 <Mic> flo: yes
21:06:25 <aleth> If that was the reason, then maybe overlaying will work ;)
21:06:57 <clokep_work> Mic: nits, you have some spaces missing around () in that patch.
21:07:36 <clokep_work> And you should return server1.equals(server2)
21:07:41 <clokep_work> Instead of checking for it and then returning true.
21:07:50 * clokep_work also dislikes nick1/2 and server1/2.
21:07:55 <clokep_work> But I won't make you change them. :)
21:08:18 <Mic> clokep_work: that would stop the loop at the first mismatch (and a later account might match!)
21:08:30 <clokep_work> Ah, you're right. :)
21:08:51 <clokep_work> Mic: If it was an array, you could just use .any() on it...
21:08:55 * clokep_work dislikes enums...
21:10:06 <Mic> I had newNick/newServer + existingNick/existingServer before but it had problems with the line length, it might work now (I changed some if's since then but didn't revert to the old names)
21:10:32 * clokep_work was going to suggest this vs. that.
21:10:54 <clokep_work> But newNick/newServer and no profix would owrk OK too, I think.
21:11:01 <clokep_work> newNick/newServer and nick/Server.
21:11:07 <Mic> Fine with me
21:12:08 <clokep_work> Besides that...the _normalizeAccountName still kind of bothers me... :(
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21:12:36 <clokep_work> But maybe there isn't a better way to do that.
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21:16:40 <aleth> Which bug is this?
21:16:52 <clokep_work> bug 1511
21:16:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1511 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Possible to add duplicate accounts
21:16:55 <clokep_work> aleth: ^
21:17:15 <aleth> Thanks
21:19:04 <clokep_work> No problem.
21:19:10 <clokep_work> Feel free to offer opinions. ;)
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21:20:22 <aleth> I thought it might be about renaming accounts, but it's just one of those "trickier than they first appear" bugs ;)
21:20:33 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1727 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
21:20:34 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1964 on bug 1727.
21:20:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1727 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Separate strings for channel and user mode system messages
21:20:37 <clokep_work> Nope.
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21:30:03 * clokep_work hates bugs with string change.s
21:30:06 * clokep_work help
21:30:46 <flo> "/me help"?
21:30:58 * clokep_work meant /help
21:31:02 * clokep_work is very tired...
21:33:09 <clokep_work> Ciao! :)
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21:46:39 <flo> aleth: I'm not surprised ;)
21:52:27 <aleth> But I can't come up with a nice CSS hack...
21:54:22 <instantbot> New Core - Twitter bug 1728 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
21:54:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1728 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Show mentions of tracked keywords in own conversations
21:55:57 <Mic> Good night
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21:57:25 <flo> aleth: the only possible hack I see is attaching another xbl binding in that specific case to add the other icon as an overlay
21:57:29 <flo> aleth: and I suspect I would r- that
21:58:01 <aleth> Or using -moz-element to point at some hidden HTML... but I'm not going there ;)
21:58:26 <Mic> Create the icon on a canvas and set the data-url as image source? ;)
21:58:47 <aleth> I just didn't want to touch /chat, and it makes the change even more twitter-specific
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22:01:49 <flo> aleth: one of these less trivial that in seems bugs ;)
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23:51:09 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com denied review for attachment 1964 on bug 1727.
23:51:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1727 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Separate strings for channel and user mode system messages