#instantbird log on 10 12 2012

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00:03:00 <XaviorPenguin> There, now I am in Instantbird IRC
00:03:52 <XaviorPenguin> copied my profile from my Win7 partition and all my contacts are up!
00:07:17 <Mook_as> oops, went to a meeting and missing flo's ping :\ would check that ASM_SUFFIX is "s" (make -C ... echo-variable-ASM_SUFFIX), I guess?
00:14:32 <clokep> Thanks for taking a look Mook_as.
00:15:36 <Mook_as> I need that to help me transition into work. debugging crashes that look like memory corruption isn't nearly as fun :p
00:16:33 <clokep> Mook_as: You're debugging the MSN prpl?
00:16:43 <Mook_as> no, komodo/pyxpcom
00:16:55 <Mook_as> I _do_ still have my _as tail ;)
00:17:06 * clokep was about to copy openkomodo....
00:17:15 <clokep> And then I realized my server has been down for a month. :-/
00:17:19 * clokep sighs.
00:18:23 <Mook_as> if you're going to checkout, using the 7.1.x branch might be better for right now.
00:18:42 <clokep> Opposed to the 8?
00:19:08 <Mook_as> as opposed to trunk (yeah, 8)
00:19:22 <Mook_as> unless, of course, you feel like debugging crashes with me :D
00:19:56 <clokep> No. :)
00:20:33 <clokep> Any chance you know the SVN URL by heart? :-D
00:20:50 <Mook_as> http://svn.openkomodo.com/repos/openkomodo/branches/7.1.x/
00:20:59 <Mook_as> (by awesomebar instead, but close enough)
00:23:28 * clokep pulls http://svn.openkomodo.com/repos/openkomodo/ ;)
00:24:41 <Mook_as> we should probably stop spamming the logs and go to #komodo, for the sake of the folks who actually read the logs ;)
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00:43:53 * clokep has SIPE building on both Linux AND Windows now! :)
00:49:25 <Mook_as> \o/ ...what's that again? XD
00:50:08 <clokep> Microsoft Lync / Office Communicator connectivity.
00:50:13 <clokep> (Which is what I use at work.)
00:50:27 <Mook_as> ah. good dogfooding oppurtunity.
00:50:43 <Mook_as> (let's all pretend I know how to spell, please)
00:51:25 * clokep mumbles about people using GTalk for work...
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02:28:34 <instant-buildbot> build #658 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/658
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03:44:03 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1918 on bug 976.
03:44:04 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1948 on bug 976.
03:44:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=976 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Support Microsoft Office Communicator protocol (SIPE)
03:47:05 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1919 on bug 976.
03:47:06 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1920 on bug 976.
03:47:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=976 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Support Microsoft Office Communicator protocol (SIPE)
03:49:27 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1923 on bug 976.
03:49:28 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1924 on bug 976.
03:49:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=976 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Support Microsoft Office Communicator protocol (SIPE)
03:49:51 <clokep> Bugzilla is slow when uploading big patches... :(
03:52:50 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1951 on bug 976.
03:52:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=976 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Support Microsoft Office Communicator protocol (SIPE)
03:55:23 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1952 on bug 976.
03:55:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=976 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Support Microsoft Office Communicator protocol (SIPE)
03:56:17 <clokep> florian1: So I think those patches are more reasonable....and split up better. Two of them are raw SIPE code, one of them is glib/libxml code, one of them is Makefile changes (+ misc) and one is changes to the SIPE code.
03:56:25 <clokep> Should be easier to review.
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05:58:43 <instant-buildbot> build #646 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/646
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06:15:25 <instant-buildbot> build #739 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Failure [failed shell_3]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/739
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09:52:56 <florian> apparently the brokenness of the ppc build wasn't that bad
10:01:03 <florian> https://twitter.com/failometer :-D
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10:08:36 <florian> clokep: good morning! :)
10:08:47 <florian> the "Suspended computer with Thunderbird open." STR for the twitter issue seems to work
10:09:56 <florian> the account still thinks it's connected, but it doesn't receive anything any more
10:10:22 <florian> and my irc account didn't get disconnected while the laptop was sleeping
10:17:21 <clokep> florian: Good to know. :)
10:17:29 <clokep> Sorry you had to go to such lengths to reproduce.
10:17:53 <florian> now if only I could understand how to make a capture filter on wireshark, I could know if the connection still exists
10:19:59 <clokep> Are you trying to filter between IPs or what?
10:20:20 <florian> I wanted to keep only https traffic
10:21:02 <florian> filtering by process id would be ideal of course, but I'm not sure that's possible at the network interface level
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10:26:10 <clokep> Yeah I don't think you have that info.
10:26:15 <clokep> florian: How long did you sleep it for?
10:26:35 <florian> I pressed a key as soon as I saw the screen was off
10:27:47 <clokep> For IRC we have a fairly long socket timeout.
10:28:11 <clokep> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/irc/irc.js#549
10:28:38 <florian> my point was mostly that if IRC was still connected, it means the sockets aren't forcefully closed by the OS when going into sleep
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10:29:33 <clokep> Ah.
10:30:30 <clokep> (Regardless, a 5 minute time out on R/W seems excessive. :-D)
10:35:25 <florian> I guess looking at what's going on with NSPR_LOG_MODULES=nsHttp will give more interesting results than wireshark
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10:41:03 <clokep> On HTTPS, almost definitely...I would think.
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10:55:47 <florian> so the whole http code is complicated, because it keeps connections around after their request is done, just in case they could be reused later.
11:03:59 <florian> bah, the STR aren't as reliable as I thought
11:04:20 <florian> this time the stream is still alive after sleeping the computer and waking it up
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11:09:58 <florian> the mac universal build finished
11:10:03 <florian> make package fails though :-/
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11:15:47 <florian> clokep: re bug 1457, I think what we used to have was displaying the last received one, which was the oldest. If we display only one, we probably want the newest
11:15:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1457 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Make use of all WHOWAS 312/314 response pairs
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11:58:46 <clokep_work> florian: Ah, you're probably right. :)
12:02:17 <clokep_work> Hmmm...in that case I think we should not keep the whole list but not overwrite the data if it exists already -- we already clear out the whois information each time it is reqeusted.
12:03:33 <florian> clokep_work: are we sure all servers send it in the same order?
12:06:37 <clokep_work> florian: No, Moznet is the only server we've ever seen send more than one.
12:06:48 <florian> oh, ok
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12:31:50 <clokep_work> Is Kerberos a common library installed on linux?
12:32:19 <clokep_work> (Well libkrb5 or whatever the library is called)
12:33:04 <florian> not sure
12:34:33 * clokep_work was hoping aleth or Even could answer that maybe?
12:34:45 <clokep_work> (Or anyone else here who thinks they're a Linux guru. ;))
12:36:42 <florian> clokep_work: if you have an ubuntu around, just check if it's there by default or if you installed it ;)
12:38:00 <florian> so now that I've fixed the packaging code, I have a packaged build that crashes at startup
12:38:27 <florian> (and I must admit I'm not that surprised, as the packaged build weighted 3MB less than the latest nightly)
12:39:15 <clokep_work> Package: libkrb5-3, State: installed, Automatically installed: no
12:39:16 <clokep_work> :(
12:39:57 <clokep_work> Required by smbclient...and who doesn't have that installed? ;)
12:40:43 <florian> do you mean "who needs SIPE but not smb?", right?
12:40:46 <florian> s/do//
12:42:44 <clokep_work> Probably that too. :)
12:42:59 <clokep_work> I'm more of concerned about linking against it and having it cause crashes if that library isn't available at all.
12:43:04 * florian hasn't needed smb in a long while
12:48:20 <clokep_work> :P Fine.
12:49:00 <clokep_work> (I'm wondering if you can still use the NTLM authentication that's part of SIPE if we compile it with Kerberos enabled but you don't have Kerberos available...if that makes sense?)
12:50:12 <florian> do you mean "if you can still use SIPE if we compile with kerberos but it's not on the system"?
12:50:52 <clokep_work> Yes. I mean obviously you won't be able to use the Kerberos authentication method, but there's a different authentication method as well.
12:51:13 <florian> how is kerberos linked?
12:51:32 <clokep_work> It's not, right now. ;)
12:51:33 <florian> using dl_open (or equivalent) calls, or just linked from the makefile?
12:51:56 <clokep_work> I'll check.
12:52:05 <clokep_work> I think just in makeifles.
12:52:57 <clokep_work> Well dl_open isn't in the source at all...
12:53:08 <florian> I said "or equivalent"
12:53:13 <florian> g_module, etc...
12:58:32 <florian> so the PPC build works, the i386 build works, but the universal build (that just merges the two) crashes at startup
12:58:34 <florian> :(
12:59:31 <clokep_work> :-/
12:59:41 <clokep_work> (Yes, krb5 is just directly linked into it...)
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13:26:22 <clokep_work> florian: BTW my question about Mozilla Gear...I wasn't expecting them to pay for it or anything, it'd just be nice if we could get the logistics for free. :)
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14:04:25 <florian> after a rebuild, my universal build works
14:04:43 <florian> so I suspect the previous build was busted by the same thing that busted the packaging
14:07:36 <florian> clokep_work: should I just go ahead and push the moz15 update, or do you want to have a look at the patches in bug 1488?
14:07:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1488 nor, --, ---, florian, NEW, Update to Mozilla 15
14:12:56 <clokep_work> florian: I looked briefly.
14:13:00 <clokep_work> But go ahead and push.
14:17:23 <avidal> got my xulrunner hello world going, so that's cool :P
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14:27:13 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/43332aa5e2b0 - Florian Qu├Ęze - Bug 1488 - Update to Mozilla 15.
14:35:04 <clokep_work> :)
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16:34:13 <avidal> man, OSS licenses are confusing if you don't have a lot of exposure mixing projects
16:37:06 <avidal> if instantbird is available under the mozilla tri-license, and I snag a block of code from one of the files and include it in a separate file; how do I properly attribute? Do I decorate the function, stating that it's from instantbird and licensed under the mozilla tri-license? Do I put something in the license header for that file stating that parts of it
16:37:06 <avidal> are from instantbird? What if I change the function and only use a small snippet?
16:39:49 <clokep_work> avidal: Instantbird is licensed under MPL 2, not the tri-license.
16:39:59 <avidal> Well, there's a start
16:40:02 <clokep_work> If you change the function you it is still licensed under the original license.
16:40:32 <avidal> Right, but how am I supposed to attribute the function back to instantbird? Document the function's license above the actual function?
16:44:08 <clokep_work> MPL usually works on a per file basis.
16:44:21 <clokep_work> But I guess you could say that the following function is MPL, etc.
16:44:29 <clokep_work> What function are you trying to use?
16:44:34 * clokep_work doesn't like theoretical discussions.
16:44:55 <clokep_work> (Do you know what you're going to license your code under? If it's going to be under MPL 2 then just don't care and use whatever you want.)
16:45:02 <clokep_work> Although we'd appreciate it if you upstream fixes. :)
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16:48:29 <clokep_work> avidal: Note that I'm no licensing expert, but that's my understanding. ;)
16:48:39 <clokep_work> We use code from other Mozilla projects and just C&P it in, it's all MPL.
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16:48:49 <avidal> I'd probably use MPL just for ease of licensing
16:48:51 <clokep_work> If you want to attribute it somewhere...you'd need to add another comment block somewhere, I think.
16:49:08 <clokep_work> (The MPL 1.1 has a decent template you could use, I suppose.)
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16:52:34 <florian> avidal: attributing the origin of the code is useful, because it helps you remember the where you took it from, and when you debug something, you can check if the upstream has already fixed a bug in that area of the code
16:53:13 <avidal> i'll keep it in mind as i hack on the project
16:53:19 <avidal> i haven't even gotten anywhere yet
16:53:23 <avidal> i don't want to bog myself down in silly details
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17:16:42 <aleth> uh, IB just crashed :(
17:16:55 <aleth> that almost never happens...
17:17:34 <florian> it happened to me several times today, but my build was busted ;)
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17:18:57 <aleth> well, you're on moz15 already too ;)
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17:31:37 <clokep> aleth: Do you have the crash report?
17:31:57 <aleth> clokep: I posted it, yes
17:32:26 <aleth> Umm, how do I find it?
17:33:09 <clokep> openDialog("about:crashes") in the error console. ;)
17:33:09 <aleth> just shows how rarely IB crashes ;)
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17:33:27 <clokep> :)
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17:36:22 <aleth> copy/paste from that dialog is quite nonexistent/broken :/
17:36:51 <clokep> Yup
17:37:09 <aleth> adda0ea1-533c-4dc0-9d88-91cb92121012, fwiw
17:38:16 <clokep> http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/report/index/adda0ea1-533c-4dc0-9d88-91cb92121012
17:38:46 * clokep gets to see what extensions aleth uses now...
17:39:25 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1488 to FIXED.
17:39:27 <aleth> lots installed probably, most of them are disabled...
17:39:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1488 nor, --, ---, florian, RESO FIXED, Update to Mozilla 15
17:41:07 <aleth> Hmm, so it just failed somewhere deep down in a library?
17:41:53 <clokep> Looks like it.
17:41:59 <aleth> Oh well.
17:42:08 <aleth> If it doesn't happen again...
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18:28:47 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from aletheia2@fastmail. fm for attachment 1955 on bug 1457.
18:28:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1457 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Make use of all WHOWAS 312/314 response pairs
18:28:55 <clokep> aleth: Maybe that one is simpler?
18:31:20 <aleth> clokep: Yes, but ... more likely to cause unintended consequences later on?
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18:31:29 <clokep> aleth: Yes.
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18:31:55 <aleth> Do we really care that the longer one stores more info than is currently made use of?
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18:32:28 <clokep> I'm not concerned that it is longer, just that it is more complicated.
18:32:29 * aleth basically just thinks we shouldn't spend too much extra time on that bug
18:32:55 <aleth> That it is.
18:33:05 <clokep> I agree. :)
18:33:14 * clokep is waiting for flo to review his SIPE patch anyway. ;)
18:33:49 <aleth> Then you can convert your workplace to IB? ;)
18:33:56 <clokep> Yes.
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18:34:03 <clokep> And then I can get pissed off and implement file transfer. ;)
18:34:18 <aleth> You said it ;)
18:34:34 <clokep> (Work is the one place I use file transfer FWIW.)
18:36:56 * clokep prefers the second patch.
18:37:02 <clokep> I like that it's a lot simpler.
18:37:10 <clokep> aleth: Did you see my conversation w/ flo this morning about krb5?
18:37:13 <aleth> It would need a comment though
18:37:19 * aleth goes look
18:37:34 <clokep> A comment where?
18:38:23 <aleth> Explaining why we are throwing away what seems to be newer (more recently arrived) information
18:39:45 <aleth> I don't really have any useful info on how standard krb5 is as a default package
18:39:57 <clokep> Alright.
18:40:58 <aleth> What you suggested (check if its present, otherwise fall back to an alternative) seems like a good idea
18:41:38 <clokep> ? I suggested that?
18:41:42 <clokep> I don't think that is possible?
18:41:55 <aleth> I probably misunderstood something skim-reading then
18:42:12 <clokep> aleth: Do we reset the howisInformation somewhere? I thought we reset it each time we requested whois info?
18:43:32 <aleth> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/irc/irc.js#754
18:44:29 <clokep> Ah-ha, I'm ont crazy!
18:45:15 <aleth> Otherwise the patch would have been instant r- ;)
18:45:19 <clokep> :)
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18:55:20 <clokep> aleth: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/84813?
18:56:36 <aleth> clokep: Maybe mention 312/314 as an example?
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18:57:26 <clokep> aleth: Does it seem too verbose?
18:57:50 <clokep> This applies to responses 312 and 314, in particular.
18:58:52 <aleth> clokep: Just checked my Linux - no libkrb installed
18:59:08 <aleth> Does not seem to be standard, sorry...
18:59:11 <clokep> aleth: Thanks. Ubuntu doesn't have it by default either so I think the answer is "no"
19:02:44 <aleth> "Copies the fields of aFields into the whois table. If the field already exists, that field is ignored (it is assumed that the first server response is the most up to date information, as is the case for 312/314 in particular). Note that the whois info for a nick is reset whenever whois information is requested, so the first response from each whois is recorded."
19:03:06 <aleth> How's that? Not sure it's much shorter, but I moved the parenthesis...
19:03:40 <clokep> I removed the " in particular"
19:03:45 <clokep> Besides that I think it is good.
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19:04:02 <clokep> r+ if I attach that?
19:04:10 <aleth> Not <140 characters, but I don't think anyone ever complained about too much info in a comment
19:04:22 <clokep> :)
19:04:25 <aleth> Yes :)
19:05:07 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(aletheia2@fastmail. fm) for attachment 1955 on bug 1457.
19:05:08 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1956 on bug 1457.
19:05:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1457 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Make use of all WHOWAS 312/314 response pairs
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