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03:49:09 <clokep_work> Mook: You've rocked my world with that remote file thing in Komodo. :)
03:52:52 <Mook> haha. and I didn't even write it! (it predated me joining)
03:53:05 <clokep_work> But you helped me find it!
03:53:15 <clokep_work> Me gives Mook kudos.
03:53:40 <clokep_work> (In the style of Project Gotham Racing where Kudos are like a thing you earn... for drifting around corners and going through cones...)
03:54:42 <Mook> unfortunately, I suspect I'll be more likely to drift into corners and, umm, going.. through? over? cones...
03:54:47 <clokep_work> Bah apparently I missed the / in me.
03:55:02 <clokep_work> I of course meant going through /sets/ of cones.
03:55:08 <clokep_work> Not through the cones themselves. :)
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03:56:58 <Mook> just assume I'd end up playing it like carmageddon.
03:57:29 <clokep_work> Hahah. :) Not a bad thing.
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07:58:14 <Mic> Good morning
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10:48:56 <florian> we've got 33 changesets in ib's chat/ that have 4 digits bug numbers and landed after the last sync c-c<->ib's chat/ bug
10:54:08 <florian> s/33/30
10:54:17 <florian>  
10:55:01 <florian> so typing "/<enter>" does nothing (no error message, the / just disappears from the input box).
10:55:10 <florian> "/<space><enter>" produces the same result
10:55:48 <florian> and /<space><space> sends a line with only a space to the conversation
10:56:09 <florian>  
10:56:10 <florian>  
10:59:04 <aleth> I thought we'd made it impossible to send blank lines from IRC? :(
10:59:23 <aleth> Sounds like an edge case...
10:59:55 <florian> and it seems it was actually 33
11:00:04 <florian> it's just that we commited 3 changesets without bio bug number
11:04:00 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1722 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
11:04:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1722 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Warning: "applying the 'delete' operator to an unqualified name is deprecated"
11:04:44 <aleth> I'm pretty sure that didn't show up when I tested it, but I guess it must have...
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11:47:12 <aleth> Moz17 won't run on (some?) 2010 Linux distros
11:49:48 <aleth> Good job they have an ESR I suppose... oh wait, the next ESR is based on 17.
11:55:08 <aleth> Oh well, I guess institutions still on 2010 distros won't necessarily be updating their FF from 3.6 anyway ;)
11:57:07 <florian> which linux distros do you mean?
11:57:13 <florian> (what's the dependency change?)
11:57:34 <aleth> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=793634
11:58:23 <aleth> (The fun part, as I discovered yesterday, is that the error message is a misleading "libxul.so not found")
12:00:52 <aleth> Not that I necessarily disagree with the change... I just suspect it will cause a lot of older FF versions to hang around
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12:28:04 <florian> no, that was really 30. 3 fixes have landed in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779117
12:29:24 <aleth> Ah, you brought those forward... These merges are so time-consuming, I wonder how often they will happen when you are no longer a paid TB contributor :-/
12:30:52 <florian> never? :)
12:31:09 <florian> I intend to push forward the plan to develop Ib's UI from comm-central soon
12:31:40 <florian> actually I'm doing the merge now because I think the patch for the merge of Ib's UI will be less confusing if chat/ is already in sync
12:32:34 <aleth> Any news on the BIO->BMO move?
12:32:41 <florian> no
12:32:47 <florian> we'll need to ping people about it
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12:34:47 <aleth> Oh, one thing which I don't think I thought of at the time of your email: would landing patches (and building nightlies) for IB be blocked whenever c-c is blocked in some way? (not that I know anything about how c-c is managed)
12:35:39 <florian> I'm not completely sure
12:36:08 <florian> I think when Tb is blocked because of busted unit tests, SeaMonkey people are still allowed to land SeaMonkey-only changes
12:36:37 <florian> if it's busted because a change from mozilla-central needs to be ported, Instantbird is likely going to be busted too, like it was when we were doing nightlies off mozilla-central
12:37:35 <florian> bug 1523 is also already on comm-central
12:37:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1523 nor, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, Aliasing a JS-XMPP buddy should store the alias on the server
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12:53:02 <clokep_work> aleth: I pinged about BIO->BMO, no response yet.
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12:57:06 <florian> glob is currently talking in #maildev though :)
12:58:22 <aleth> clokep_work: fingers crossed then!
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12:59:24 <clokep_work> florian: Ping him? :P
12:59:45 <florian> I thought you were taking care of this :)
12:59:57 <clokep_work> florian: Btw, that AIM/ICQ bug, I don't think that should be closed.
13:00:09 <clokep_work> I don't know exactly whog lob is, is he the one we've been talking to in that bug?
13:00:14 <clokep_work> (Also I'm leaving in twenty minutes for the day.)
13:00:47 <florian> glob is one of the two bugzilla/BMO developer paid by MoCo, and I think he's the one who started looking at our BIO database a few months ago
13:01:22 <florian> that merge is really more painful than it should :(
13:07:06 <clokep_work> florian: Sorry. :(
13:07:21 <clokep_work> Hopefully it'll be the last then!
13:08:07 <florian> clokep_work: "florian: Sorry. :(" why?
13:10:02 <florian> the patch from bug 1236 doesn't apply :(
13:10:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1236 nor, --, 1.2, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, JSON log viewer conversation bubbles should have the same colors as when the conversation happened
13:11:42 <clokep_work> florian: Sorry that it is painful!
13:11:50 <florian> it's not your fault :)
13:17:30 <clokep_work> As far as you know. ;)
13:18:12 <florian> bug 1615 doesn't apply
13:18:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1615 min, --, 1.3, clokep, RESO FIXED, IRC CTCP messages break if there is a line break
13:18:32 <clokep_work> You're applying these in order, right?
13:18:42 <clokep_work> Also we can't send empty IRC messages, but you can definitely send one that is just a space.
13:18:45 <florian> in the order they were applied to ib
13:18:46 <clokep_work> AFAIK.
13:18:54 <florian> but some changesets have been applied to c-c immediately
13:19:02 <florian> and landed on ib after
13:19:12 <florian> so the order can't be the same in the two repositories
13:19:19 <aleth>  
13:19:28 <aleth> That does strange things to Bubbles.
13:19:48 <florian> clokep_work: should we convert empty messages to only a space, and fix bubble to display a whole line for these messages?
13:20:10 <florian> aleth: It may not be only to Bubbles. We have a known bug that causes us to destroy all the leading indent
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13:23:12 <florian> and bug 1718 doesn't apply either
13:23:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1718 nor, --, 1.3, clokep, RESO FIXED, Error: ERR_NOTEXTTOSEND: No text to send for PRIVMSG.
13:23:29 * florian wonders what we messed up in that file
13:25:40 <florian> and I also wonder why this new emacs can't edit diff files properly
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13:38:16 <florian> bah, that file http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/protocols/irc/test/xpcshell.ini has a license header in ib, but not c-c
13:40:50 <florian> I think I'll just remove the header on Ib's side
13:41:47 <florian> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/modules/test/xpcshell.ini doesn't have one, so it's inconsistent anyway
13:53:43 <florian> I would appreciate some feedback on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799068 before I land it
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13:57:58 <florian> especially, are there UI changes that are required for Tb to keep working after including these chat/ changes? :)
14:02:32 <aleth> bug 1236: might want the TB log viewer to take note of the added flag
14:02:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1236 nor, --, 1.2, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, JSON log viewer conversation bubbles should have the same colors as when the conversation happened
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14:04:05 <florian> aleth: I'm not sure.
14:04:11 <florian> aleth: Tb15 shipped without it :-S
14:04:30 <florian> so there are probably lots of logs around that won't have the isChat flag on log files
14:04:38 <aleth> oops...
14:04:50 <aleth> Aren't TB chat bubbles all the same colour anyway?
14:04:52 <florian> and the changes landing now are for Tb24
14:05:12 <aleth> Maybe it's at least less noticeable...
14:05:18 <florian> aleth: no, the bug is that we color the 1-to-1 conversation buddies when displaying logs
14:05:29 <aleth> Sure.
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14:06:28 <aleth> All I mean is it is less apparent, and maybe that's why it does not seem anyone has filed a corresponding bug for TB
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14:07:06 <florian> yes, it's possible nobody really cared about colors there
14:08:31 <florian> can "- Bug 791212 Twitter accounts shouldn't attempt to connect if the track field has a value > 60 bytes" be fixed today? (it requires a new string, so it would be nice to fix it before the merge)
14:09:27 <aleth> Not by me I think, sorry :-/
14:12:35 <florian> so I looked at that large patch, my concerns are https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1668#c10 and https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/process_bug.cgi (including comment 4 there)
14:12:40 <instantbot> Bug 1668 nor, --, 1.3, mook.moz+bugs.instantbird, RESO FIXED, Enhance imXPCOMUtils debug logging to have module-specific prefs
14:13:46 <florian> I meant https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1721
14:13:50 <instantbot> Bug 1721 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Refer to channel passwords not keys for IRC
14:20:29 <florian> clokep_work: so my suggestion would be to take your patch + changing error.wrongKey before updating chat/ in c-c (so that we don't have to add a 2; command.join has been there forever, so we will need a 2 anyway if we change it). And for the missing "let" I think I will just add it and commit the fix without review or with an over IRC review.
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14:45:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1721 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Refer to channel passwords not keys for IRC
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15:55:20 <aleth> florian: Do we really need to change to using localeCompare for the nicks in the nicklist? Of course it would be nicer in principle, but the cost in speed could be significant
15:56:20 <aleth> Simple error console test: 10^7 simple ascii string compares with "<" takes 57ms, with localeCompare 15229ms
15:57:10 <aleth> Afaik it would only make a difference for non-IRC MUCs
15:58:34 <florian> the compare count is n*log(n) with n the nick count, right?
15:59:42 <aleth> Binary search, yes, that's about the ballpark
15:59:46 <florian> so the compare count is likely going to be 10^4 for a room with 2000 nicks
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16:02:16 <aleth> Right, so one could assume around 10-100ms extra time 
16:03:33 <aleth> But that's on a fast machine.
16:04:40 <aleth> (where the nicklist speed isn't really an issue anyway)
16:06:28 <aleth> I'm unsure what the best way to go is (the slowdown of search by a factor of ~250 is just not nice though)
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16:13:00 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1723 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
16:13:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1723 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Unhandled IRC message 328: RPL_CHANNEL_URL
16:13:54 <florian> aleth: do as you think will be the best
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18:37:57 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 1939 on bug 1721.
18:38:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1721 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Refer to channel passwords not keys for IRC
18:38:37 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1721 to FIXED.
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18:41:57 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/4a95984a3031 - Florian Quèze - Follow-up to 'Bug 1668 - Enhance imXPCOMUtils debug logging to have module-specific prefs' to fix a JS warning.
18:41:58 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/304666c5e805 - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1721 - Refer to channel passwords not keys for IRC, r=fqueze.
18:41:59 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/67b627185c46 - Florian Quèze - Remove the MPL2 header from chat/protocols/irc/test/xpcshell.ini to match the comm-central file.
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21:08:43 <clokep_work> flo: Sorry I went MIA all day. Was working.
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21:38:10 <clokep_work> florian1: I'm glad the merge went well. :)
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21:42:57 <Mic> Good evening
21:43:29 <clokep_work> hello Mic.
21:45:00 <Mic> pff, seems I can't remember my AIO password right now :S
21:47:43 <clokep_work> :(
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21:49:34 <Mic> I don't even know if anything is in the review queue ;) In worst case someone will have to wait another day for their review ;)
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21:50:19 <clokep_work> Does it not email you?
21:50:32 <Mic> Not about new extensions.
21:51:00 <Mic> I'm already checking the "notify me of updates to this add-on" on every review, so I'll get atleast notifications for some of them
21:52:15 <Mic> The queue is empty, ... not trying to think of the password and using muscle memory actually worked :D
21:53:30 <clokep_work> :)
21:53:40 <clokep_work> Every once in a while I'll forget my password that I use like everyday.
21:53:43 <clokep_work> And that does the trick. :)
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21:56:03 <Mic> Does the ib-1-3 etherpad only contain things that that are *really* wanted or also things that would be cool to have?
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21:58:42 <clokep_work> Mic: It contains everything we ever want to do pretty much.
22:00:24 <Mic> I meant in the first section (which I assumed to be for 1.3) as there is a "longer term goals" section, too
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22:01:41 <clokep_work> It was stuff that we thought would be nice to have.
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22:06:59 <flo> Mic: it was just a brainstorm, but we included in the pad only things that more or less everybody agreed was wanted
22:07:27 <flo> and the "longer term" part contained things that were obviously too ambitious for 1.3, which we hoped to release within 3 months of 1.2
22:07:57 <flo> I don't think we ever intended to imply that everything else would be in 1.3.
22:08:18 <flo> I saw it more like a list of things that anybody could feel free to pick up, and would be likely to get help while working on them.
22:10:37 <clokep_work> It started as a 1.3 list and kind of became a "Oh shit, there's lots of stuff we've talked about but never filed bugs on, let's add them to a list somewhere and file bugs."
22:11:25 <Mic> Almost everything seems to have bugs filed by now :)
22:11:42 <flo> Mic: clokep worked on filing all the missing bugs ;)
22:12:21 <clokep_work> aleth did some too.
22:12:44 <flo> Mic: btw, something that works almost 2/3 of the time when I've forgotten a password that I used relatively recently: 1. Use the reset password form. 2. Once in front of the form, think of a password I could want to use for that website. 3. Try in the login form the password I was about to set as the new password.
22:13:47 <flo> just being in the context of choosing a password for that website again is likely to make me pick the same password that I used at the time.
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22:16:15 <Mic> That's an interesting idea, yes :)
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23:13:49 <Mic> good night
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23:47:39 <instant-buildbot> build #326 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/326
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