#instantbird log on 10 05 2012

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09:03:39 <Mic> Hi
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10:17:04 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/5d86f7e7b3b1 - aceman - Bug 795971 - fix JavaScript strict warning: logger.js, line 453: assignment to undeclared variable entry. r=clokep
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12:38:41 <clokep_work> Good morning.
12:40:45 <florian> hello :)
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14:17:10 <florian> so, have we guessed any way to reproduce bug 1613 / https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786404
14:17:12 <florian> ?
14:17:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1613 nor, --, ---, nobody, REOP, Twitter feed stops receiving incoming tweets (without disconnecting)
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15:19:43 <clokep_work> florian: I'm 99% sure it has to do with sleeping the computer and resuming it.
15:19:47 <clokep_work> I can reproduce it often.
15:21:38 <florian> clokep_work: it's annoying to sleep the computer one is using for debugging and being on IRC
15:21:50 <clokep_work> florian: I agree. :)
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15:43:18 <florian> I really dislike the indentation "style" in http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/security/nss/lib/ssl/ssl3con.c#5972
15:52:57 <clokep_work> florian: That's like the opposite of what it should be. :-D
15:53:19 <florian> clokep_work: I think it's messed up because of mixing tabs and spaces
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15:56:07 <clokep_work> Probably.
16:11:15 * clokep_work wonders if it is almost time to ping about BIO -> BMO merge again...
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16:15:23 <florian> clokep_work: I think it is!
16:15:26 <florian> it's definitely Q4 ;)
16:17:11 <florian> "Mozilla Add-ons: Additional Chat Protocols for Thunderbird 2.10.4 Fully Reviewed"
16:17:28 <florian> Comments: "This version has been approved for the public. Thank you!"
16:17:30 <clokep_work> :) COngrats
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16:19:29 <clokep_work> florian: Thanks for the bugspam day.
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16:19:48 <florian> clokep_work: not done yet!
16:20:19 <pvagner> Hello,
16:21:00 <pvagner> guys is the additional protocols for thunderbird addon still available? I am afraid it has been removed from the addons site.
16:21:14 <clokep_work> pvagner: It should be there again (soon)?
16:21:57 <pvagner> clokep_work: is this because of its update or are there some problems?
16:22:43 <clokep_work> pvagner: No problems. :)
16:27:56 <florian> pvagner: it's been removed by mistake yesterday, and is public again today.
16:29:06 <pvagner> florian: heh it's already there. What a bad timing from my side. I might wait a bit instead of poking here.
16:30:00 <florian> pvagner: it's been made public 14 minutes before you asked, so yes, really bad timing :)
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16:34:22 <pvagner> umm. I cant figure out how to install the thunderbird addon. I have downloaded it using firefox.
16:35:09 <clokep_work> pvagner: In Thunderbird > Tools > Add-ons.
16:36:06 <pvagner> yes I see but I cant find the button which to click so it will open a open dialog. I can search the addons site however this is not in the results.
16:36:08 <clokep_work> And you can drag and drop onto that.
16:36:19 <clokep_work> There's a little button next to the search box.
16:36:20 <clokep_work> IT has a dorp down
16:36:24 <clokep_work> Install addon.
16:37:07 <pvagner> oh crap. I am unable to drag&n&drop reliably. Is it possible mozilla accessibility team haven't noticed this?
16:37:30 <pvagner> ah yes the dropdown 
16:37:38 <pvagner> I am going to look into it. thanks for the hint.
16:38:07 <clokep_work> pvagner: Someone else suggested this isn't readily accessible, I'd suggest filing a bug w/ Mozilla?
16:38:36 <clokep_work> (feel free to CC me on it: clokep -at- gmail /dot/ org)
16:38:49 <pvagner> okay I can find the dropdown button. but it is not focusable so it is not obvious.
16:40:02 <clokep_work> florian: Was my email on the BIO/BMO bug reasonable? I tried to keep it light.
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17:00:33 <Mic> clokep_work: nickserv allows to group nicks. Is there a way we could do something useful with that?
17:01:12 <clokep_work> Mic: Can you look to see what other people have as a group?
17:01:17 <Mic> e.g. show them as one contact without having to add every nick to the list separately?
17:01:24 <clokep_work> (I.e. can you see that I have clokep and clokep_work grouped?)
17:02:32 <clokep_work> Mic:  The big problem is that can't really figure out what NickServ is...
17:02:33 <Mic> No, but that doesn't have to mean anything ;)
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17:09:40 <pvagner> btw is grouping contact going to be also added to thunderbird or thunderbird's ui will stay simple?
17:10:54 <clokep_work> Mic: What? I didn't understand.
17:11:04 <clokep_work> pvagner: Not sure of Thunderbird's UI plans, might want to ask in #maildev for that.
17:11:10 <clokep_work> (Or just ask flo...)
17:11:45 <pvagner> also can I somehow get rid of timestamps in the conversations? or get something what bubbles theme does for instantbird?
17:12:36 * clokep_work doubts it.
17:12:39 <clokep_work> I mean you could install another theme.
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17:16:27 <Mic> I don't know if you can tell that nicks are grouped, but that's only because I don't know much about IRC in general.
17:16:59 <clokep_work> You might be able to tell by asking NickServ, but dealing with NickServ has been fairly painful so far.
17:17:02 <Mic> Maybe it's possible and I just don't know.
17:18:08 <flo> clokep_work: "Was my email on the BIO/BMO bug reasonable?" very reasonable yes, I even considered piling another comment above it to say that the resources on the tb side will dramatically decrease after november, so better do things sooner :)
17:19:11 <flo> pvagner: "is grouping contact going to be also added to thunderbird" I don't think so.
17:20:09 <clokep_work> Mic: /nickserv INFO clokep
17:21:22 <clokep_work> (I can't figure out how to.)
17:21:28 <clokep_work> flo: That sounds reasonable...
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17:34:15 * clokep_work wonders when florian is going to get tired of /nick and implement renaming of accounts...
17:34:50 <florian> clokep_work: I may be more likely to implement a list of alternative nicks first
17:35:06 <florian> clokep_work: because the real problem is that I can't configure the account as "florian" on both of these machines
17:35:33 <florian> clokep_work: and ideally connecting "florian" from here should make the other "florian" automatically /nick to "florian-afk" (maybe for an add-on
17:35:35 <florian> )
17:35:35 <clokep_work> florian: That should be fairly simple.
17:35:49 <clokep_work> Uhhh...that can't be done AFAIK.
17:35:52 <clokep_work> You can ghost it
17:36:08 <florian> if I assume the other instance has the same add-on installed, I'm sure that can be done :-P
17:36:29 <clokep_work> Sure, you'd have to connect with a different nick first. :)
17:37:27 <florian> the server refuse "florian", I'll get connected as "flo-retina" instead, private msg "florian" telling it to go see elsewhere if I'm there, and /nick to "florian" automatically
17:37:39 <clokep_work> Yeah.
17:37:46 <clokep_work> Pretty much.
17:37:50 <florian> clokep_work: I don't mind connecting with a crappy nick, as long as I don't do it before auto-joining channels
17:38:19 <clokep_work> florian: Makes sense, the alternate nick list we should really support though.
17:38:22 <clokep_work> (In core.)
17:38:26 <clokep_work> The other stuff...I think is add-on.
17:38:29 <florian> sure!
17:38:47 <florian> I never meant that we need to have all of that by default
17:38:49 <Mook_as> or be crazy and use the other flo-blah as a bouncer :D
17:38:53 <florian> just that it's what would really fit my use case
17:38:54 <clokep_work> I know. :)
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17:39:08 <florian> Mook_as: I already suggested that a few days ago
17:39:08 * clokep_work waits for the alternate nick list patch... ;)
17:39:27 <florian> Mook_as: the problem is we can't relay all the messages received in channels throw private messages; we would be kicked out for flood
17:40:04 <florian> Mook_as: so we would have to rely on DCC, with all the NAT traversal issues that involves
17:40:04 <clokep_work> DCC Chat!
17:40:53 <florian> Mook_as: ie it wouldn't be reliable
17:41:40 <clokep_work> If they're on the same subnet, it would be fine. ;)
17:41:40 <florian> clokep_work: "19:34:21 * clokep_work wonders when florian is going to get tired of /nick and implement renaming of accounts..." Honestly, the lack of show nick irritates me way more ;).
17:42:01 <florian> what's the point of connecting 2 machines to the same IRC channel from the same house?
17:42:19 * clokep_work shrugs.
17:42:38 <florian> clokep_work: and even then, I'm not sure. I know some routers that refuse to relay packets from wifi connections to machines connected by an ethernet cable.
17:42:42 <Mook_as> hmm, odd, I had assumed the hover thing for PMs would have showed /whois info, instead of "Unknown" :p
17:43:01 <clokep_work> Mook_as: The tooltip?
17:43:05 <florian> Mook_as: I think we have a bug on file for that
17:43:15 <Mook_as> yeah. tbird nightly, of course.
17:43:19 <clokep_work> Mook_as: I think it only works for people on your buddy list.
17:43:36 <Mook_as> well, I'm never putting NickServ on my list! :p
17:43:52 <clokep_work> Why do you care about whois for NickServ?!
17:44:27 <florian> I was about to say the same thing :-D
17:45:52 <Mook_as> ... actually, I don't remember anymore. huh.
17:46:07 <Mook_as> so why _do_ I care? *boggled*
17:46:35 <clokep_work> Mook_as: /whois NickServ should work though.
17:47:06 <florian> and log the fact that you did care :-P
17:58:04 <pvagner> clokep_work: re message log look: do you think I can install instandbird themes into thunderbird in order to get rid of timestamps or get the relative timestamps like bubbles theme for instandbird does? Or is there a need for seperate themes for thunderbird?
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17:58:49 <florian> pvagner: a theme file for Instantbird won't install in Thunderbird.
17:58:58 <florian> pvagner: the required changes are trivial though :).
18:04:33 <pvagner> florian: do I just need to change the metadata or is there more into it?
18:08:31 <Mic> Yes, you need to add Thunderbird as compatible application and then choose the theme using Thunderbird's about:config preference editor.
18:08:35 <Mic> @ pvagner
18:11:53 <florian> Mic: I would have suggested adding a default preference file in the add-on ;)
18:12:13 <florian> Mic: this way just installing the add-on would replace the theme. I think that makes more sense for an application that doesn't have a built-in theme selector
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18:19:18 <florian> clokep_work: you can prepare yourself for bugspam evening! :-P
18:20:04 <clokep_work> florian: Still morning. :)
18:20:31 <florian> bah, you can skip the afternoon :-P
18:21:10 * clokep_work assumes these are all checked in for IB already.
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18:26:13 <Mic> florian: good idea :)
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18:34:15 <clokep_work> florian: All done? :-D That wasn't too bad.
18:36:08 <florian> I think you received only half of them
18:36:15 <clokep_work> Ahhhh OK. :)
18:36:16 <florian> I touched 14 bugs
18:36:26 <florian> and tried to not cc me to bugs I don't care about at all
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18:56:12 <clokep_work> Apparently I made rkent's list of "developers not to forget" ;)
18:56:30 <florian> hmm, what list is that?
18:56:44 <clokep_work> That awful thread in tb-planning
19:00:07 <clokep_work> (The one about $$$)
19:00:20 <dew> which
19:00:49 <clokep_work> Generating revenue for TB...
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19:06:09 <dew> oh the discussion where I don't have the answer
19:08:34 <florian> dew: I don't understand what the question is, is it better or worse than not having the answer? :)
19:09:19 <dew> how to generate money for thunderbird :/
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19:17:22 <florian> I'm still confused by https://getsatisfaction.com/mozilla_messaging/topics/new_facebook_chat_not_working
19:19:00 <Mook_as> hmm, I wonder if they'd be fine with sticking tb-planning in gmane
19:19:20 <clokep_work> Mook_as: I'd prefer they just turn on the damn NNTP support.
19:19:42 <Mook_as> I just assume that comes with google groups support and the hassle that entails
19:19:46 <clokep_work> florian: We should really implement the Facebook oauth garbage if it'll allow for using usernames, emails, phone numbers, etc.
19:21:03 <clokep_work> Also that person looks painful to help.
19:25:46 <florian> clokep_work: "Also that person looks painful to help." I agree. But the support team has also not really replied to him/her in a timely fashion either...
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19:26:08 <clokep_work> Yes. :(
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19:30:03 <florian> what I mean is, the 'TypeError: match[1] is undefined" error means there's no @ in the string we passed to the _parseJID method, right?
19:30:15 <florian> how is that possible given this code: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/protocols/facebook/facebook.js#23 ?
19:30:53 <clokep_work> florian: I'd bet that she chose XMPP and not Facebook.
19:31:31 <florian> that was my bet too, but she replied today " Ok. I hope so too. And I definitely did choose "Facebook Chat". "
19:31:44 <clokep_work> ....that doesn't mean she's right. :)
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19:32:05 <florian> yeah, I considered asking for a screenshot of the account manager to be sure I'm not wasting my time
19:33:15 <florian> so, what are the things we can (still) do for 1.3? :)
19:33:58 <clokep_work> Update Mozilla and libpurple? :P
19:35:58 <clokep_work> I'd really like to finish up bug 1370 and bug 1454, btw.
19:36:03 <clokep_work> But I think I'm unsure of what needs to be done.
19:36:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1370 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Fix JS-IRC's usage of normalizedChatBuddy getter
19:36:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1454 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, normalizedName for JS-IRC is wrong
19:36:46 <florian> wontfix/invalid both of them and it's done? :)
19:37:56 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1719 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
19:37:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1719 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, User message isn't RFC 1459 compliant
19:37:59 <clokep_work> Is that true though?
19:38:38 <florian> clokep_work: not sure. The title of these bugs looked painful enough that I didn't want to click the links :)
19:39:01 * clokep_work assumed that.
19:39:07 <clokep_work> I do that every time I looked at my assigned list.
19:39:39 <clokep_work> 1370 has a patch that I think is correct, but aleth (correctly) wants better comments in the idl.
19:39:46 <clokep_work> But I don't fully understand the different uses of normalizedNam.e
19:41:48 <clokep_work> florian: You could take a look at https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ib-1-3 ? :)
19:42:17 <florian> bah, I was looking for that with my awesomebar and was sure it included the word "roadmap" :(
19:42:23 <florian> thanks :)
19:43:26 * clokep_work knew it had 1-3 in it.
19:43:35 <clokep_work> Because I tried to find it by 1.3 too many tims. :P
19:43:48 <florian> ahah
19:44:26 <florian> so what are we looking for exactly?
19:44:31 <florian> there are lots of small cleanups in that list
19:44:40 <florian> don't we need at least one *visible* new feature?
19:45:31 <clokep_work> I think the visible stuff was mostly integration of some add-ons? :)
19:45:42 <clokep_work> aleth made some user visible changes already (the participants list stuff)?
19:45:48 <florian> "- some video/audio chat in JS-XMPP with WebRTC (bug 568)" sounds fun :)
19:45:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Audio/Video Support
19:46:03 <florian> clokep_work: wasn't that mostly in 1.2 already?
19:46:12 <clokep_work> florian: Now they go back to non-active!
19:46:56 <florian> the point of that is that they become invisible again
19:47:05 <florian> it's not really my definition of a *visible* feature :-P
19:47:53 <clokep_work> :)
19:49:26 <clokep_work> Nothing on that list seems like a huge awesome feature.
19:49:33 * clokep_work would love for the import wizard to be in 1.3.
19:49:46 <clokep_work> But I have a feeling we'll release before that's ready.
19:49:57 <florian> clokep_work: really?
19:50:11 <florian> clokep_work: I thought that was what we were waiting for before releasing
19:50:17 <clokep_work> florian: Oh, are we?
19:50:21 * clokep_work is fine w/ that.
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19:50:30 <florian> well, we won't wait a year for that
19:50:41 * clokep_work would really like bug 1581. :)
19:50:44 <florian> but I planned on giving wnayes a month or two to finish that
19:50:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1581 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Inline received media
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19:51:33 <clokep_work> That sounds reasonable. :)
19:51:37 <clokep_work> I'll reprioritize it.
19:52:44 <clokep_work> (As in my reviews of wnayes code.)
19:53:13 <florian> I'm not super excited about bug 1581
19:53:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1581 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Inline received media
19:53:34 <florian> (I'm not sure about how that would work w.r.t security, especially if we start inserting remote content in the HTML document
19:53:34 * clokep_work is just offering suggestions. ;)
19:54:20 * clokep_work is now known as EionRobb
19:54:25 <EionRobb> florian: File transfer?!
19:54:29 * EionRobb is now known as clokep_work
19:54:51 <florian> clokep_work: doesn't work, /nick (purposefully!) doesn't change the color of your nick
19:55:27 <clokep_work> Darn. :(
19:55:34 * clokep_work is now known as IRCMonkey14280
19:55:38 <IRCMonkey14280> I also got nasty memssages from NickServ!
19:55:41 <IRCMonkey14280> Oops...
19:55:51 * IRCMonkey14280 is now known as clokep_work1
19:56:05 <clokep_work1> Meh, close enough.
19:56:10 <florian> clokep_work1: can we fix that? nickserv also annoys me when I /nick flo-away and then /nick flo
19:56:32 <clokep_work1> Possibly...
19:56:33 <Mook_as> hmm, clokepRobb turned orange here (where clokep_work was red)
19:57:11 <florian> Mook_as: really?
19:57:20 <florian> Mook_as: the color cache may be broken on Tb then
19:57:51 <Mook_as> yep. and workd1 is a sickly green
19:58:06 <clokep_work1> Gross. :(
19:58:28 * clokep_work1 is now known as clokep_work
19:58:53 * clokep_work has a feeling Instantbird is eating messages from NickServ when it shouldn't. :-/
19:58:53 <Mook_as> wait, wtf? it turned red (before your nick change back)
19:59:54 <clokep_work> MSN-XMPP would be a good improvement but isn't very exciting for users. ;)
20:00:14 <Mook_as> http://i.imgur.com/9tImJ.png
20:00:44 <florian> clokep_work: I filed a bug on that already!
20:00:59 <florian> clokep_work: asking nickserv for help is disappointing ;)
20:01:46 * clokep_work never finds NickServ helpful...
20:01:50 <florian> Mook_as: have you changed the selected conversation in between?
20:01:57 <clokep_work> florian: You did. :) But someone should implement it!
20:02:01 <clokep_work> oauth scares me though. :(
20:02:02 <florian> Mook_as: I'm pretty sure Tb clears the color cache when you select a different conversation
20:02:16 <florian> Mook_as: as the cache is on the nodes of the participant list (yes, that sucks)
20:02:22 <Mook_as> hmm. I probably have (going into #thunderbird to complain about ctrl+q actually quitting)
20:02:32 <florian> clokep_work: isn't it your code? :-P
20:02:48 <florian> Mook_as: sounds like a super useful complaint :-P
20:03:01 <florian> btw, is #thunderbird an efficient place to get help?
20:03:02 <clokep_work> florian: That's my code? What?
20:03:11 <florian> clokep_work: the nickserv eating stuff
20:03:19 <clokep_work> florian: Ah, yes.
20:03:25 <clokep_work> That is my code. And it apparently doesn't work well.
20:03:41 <florian> I think it could do with some xpcshell tests ;)
20:03:52 <clokep_work> Probably. :-/
20:04:12 <Mook_as> it's usually too dead to be efficient at anything. but that's how IRC usually works... :p
20:04:42 <florian> Mook_as: I mean, isn't it an end-user channel that developers hide from?
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20:07:20 <Mook_as> that's why I ask end-user questions there :)
20:08:10 <florian> can't we find a much faster way to select a chat tab that has unread messages?
20:08:16 <dew> I usually hope mconley is around because he always helps me ;)
20:08:23 <mconley> heyo
20:08:34 <florian> dew: he helps you in maildev too though ;)
20:09:14 <dew> yes I ask plenty of dumb questions and the people there are nice :)
20:10:28 <florian> so for https://getsatisfaction.com/mozilla_messaging/topics/new_facebook_chat_not_working our understanding is that the user is a liar? Is it worth asking for a screenshot, or should we just move on?
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20:11:56 <clokep_work> florian: That's my understanding. Well liar or confused. ;) But yeah...
20:12:46 <Mook_as> would it be useful (in the future) to modify xmpp to disallow adding facebook accounts?
20:13:07 <Mook_as> (as in, that won't help the existing users such the one currently having problems)
20:13:25 <florian> Mook_as: that seems impossible
20:13:37 <florian> Mook_as: we could disallow *correctly configured* facebook accounts
20:13:54 <Mook_as> haha
20:13:58 <florian> Mook_as: but the problem is that user's account is misconfigured
20:17:56 <Mook_as> reading the relevant bug, it seems like the new behaviour is reasonable. so... carry on! and lunch time!
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20:20:38 <DerpMon> Hi
20:20:43 <DerpMon> Anyone here?
20:21:05 <florian> DerpMon: hello.
20:21:17 <florian> You have a participant list on the right side of this conversation that shows you there are 27 people here.
20:21:35 <DerpMon> Well...what I meant was whether anyone was active
20:21:41 <DerpMon> most times peopel are idle
20:21:46 <DerpMon> *people*
20:21:50 <florian> DerpMon: you were, you said "hi".
20:21:59 <florian> DerpMon: I'm pretty sure you had a more interesting question to ask though ;)
20:22:17 <DerpMon> I heard about an interesting thing called Mojosetup
20:22:21 <DerpMon> Have you heard of it?
20:22:50 <DerpMon> It creates installers for linux, similar to how you would install on windows. Complete with uninstallers
20:23:17 <DerpMon> I thought that it would allow for a better way to quickly get things installed without fetching dependencies
20:23:48 <DerpMon> Because sometimes people don't have the time.
20:23:53 <flo> DerpMon: I would prefer having maintainers for real packages in the linux distributions that matter ;)
20:24:13 <flo> especially someone taking care of Instantbird in ubuntu would be nice
20:24:33 <DerpMon> Yes...I'm fortunate that Bodhi has instantbird in it's repos
20:24:46 <DerpMon> But...if I was on a different distro, I'd be sunk.
20:25:03 <DerpMon> And I'm not an expert user either.
20:25:09 <flo> isn't that the distribution where things don't work well, because it uses the 32 bit package on 64 bit machines?
20:25:40 <DerpMon> Well...I'm using the 64 bit version and it didn't have the 32 bit libs
20:25:45 <DerpMon> I had to install them myself
20:26:10 <DerpMon> But...mojosetup builds could be optional.  An alternative to .tar.gz
20:26:31 <flo> still seems like more work for us ;)
20:26:50 <DerpMon> Not really...from what I heard it's actually not that difficult. 
20:27:21 <DerpMon> I'm not a developer so it's easy for me to say...but here's the site for reference.
20:27:38 <DerpMon> icculus.org/mojosetup/  
20:28:03 <flo> DerpMon: saying something that you don't know how to do isn't difficult isn't a good way to increase people's confidence in your points ;).
20:28:33 <DerpMon> Well...I saw a post in the Nightingale forums and a developer was touting it.
20:28:46 <DerpMon> He said he build a installer for his game and called it pretty is easy to do
20:28:52 <DerpMon> So...I took his word for it.
20:30:16 <clokep_work> Don't most Linux users not want extra versions of dependencies around? :-S
20:31:15 <flo> DerpMon: there's usually a pretty significant difference between "easy to do once" and "easy to automate well enough that we can forget it"
20:40:35 <DerpMon> All I know is that a lot of big name games have made installers using mojosetup.  
20:40:58 <DerpMon> And linux needs some sort of unifying package management system.
20:41:21 <DerpMon> Thanks for listening...I'm gonna go.
20:41:26 <DerpMon> Have a nice day..  :)
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20:41:34 <flo> thanks!
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20:52:12 <Mook_as> haha, nightingale folks popping up?
21:10:54 <flo> Mook_as: sounds like your fault :-P
21:13:33 <clokep_work> flo: Didn't you find a bug that actually /was/ Mook_as' fault?
21:13:46 <flo> I did!
21:16:15 <Mook_as> you did! did I miss that?
21:16:42 <Mook_as> (there was the bit about my not-r+ed patch doing bad things with undeclared variables, at least... gotta fix that up over the weekend)
21:17:19 <flo> Mook_as: except the patch is already checked in
21:17:23 <flo> so I suspect it's been r+ed
21:18:07 <flo> but yeah, the bug that was your fault was just a missing "let "
21:20:03 <Mook_as> oh, dang :/
21:20:11 <Mook_as> yeah, sorry about that
21:20:48 <clokep_work> Mook_as: Only half your fault.
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21:21:23 <flo> Mook_as: it's ok, we are just making fun of you because you said something that you hadn't touched at all was your fault the other day :)
21:21:56 <flo> clokep_work: do you mean he's only responsible for 2 missing characters out of the 4?
21:22:08 <clokep_work> flo: Yup, I believe you're responsible for the other 2? :)
21:22:24 * flo hides
21:22:56 <flo> wasn't this the patch that I r+'ed by exhaustion (ie "I don't want to review another version of that again")?
21:23:08 <clokep_work> Probably.
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22:25:58 <florian> clokep: ib and tb's chat/ folders have significantly diverged again: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/83370  36 files changed, 223 insertions(+), 518 deletions(-)
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23:32:14 <clokep_work> florian: Lots of changes there!
23:39:07 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from aletheia2@fastmail. fm for attachment 1936 on bug 1655.
23:39:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1655 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Unhandled IRC messages around bans
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