#instantbird log on 09 29 2012

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00:05:17 <flo> Mook_as: we've done some accessibility work too ;)
00:05:49 <flo> gringochapin: I suspect the default message theme (Bubbles) may not be the most accessible. "Simple" may be better.
00:06:32 <flo> Mook_as: I didn't even remember that https://bugs.instantbird.org/ works too. I usually use https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/
00:08:02 <Mook_as> I dunno, it was in my awesomebar for some reason, so I went with it :)
00:11:46 <flo> I wonder if we need to fix something for "My screen reader didn't make it obvious that that was possible."
00:12:00 <flo> is there some kind of aria attribute we should put on the (+) or (-) ?
00:14:10 <flo> maybe aria-expanded?
00:14:37 <Mook_as> yeah, sounds reasonable
00:14:48 <Mook_as> you're on a mac, you can use voiceover to test :)
00:15:13 <Mook_as> gringochapin: out of curiosity: what OS / AT do you use?
00:15:40 <flo> Mook_as: nope, I have to build with --disable-accesibility for OS X 10.5 compatibility :(
00:16:01 <Mook_as> :(
00:16:16 <flo> but I could test on the other machine I suppose
00:20:54 <flo> Good night :)
00:21:15 <Mook_as> night
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00:29:44 <gringochapin> flo: Not sure if you're still around, but there likely is a aria attribute or two that would help.  I use Jaws for Windows, and Windows XP and Windows 7.  I think the first issue is getting my screen reader to recognize that there is even an expand button there.
00:30:23 <gringochapin> flo: How is it setup currently?  Is it just a clickable div, or is it an actual link?
00:30:57 <Mook_as> looks like a <p class="button"> here
00:32:52 <gringochapin> Ok, so basically it needs a ARIA role, something like role="button" should do.
00:33:38 <gringochapin> And it needs some sort of label to tell what it does.  Something like aria-label="Expand message" or something equally appropriate.
00:34:16 <gringochapin> It should probably also be given a tabindex="0" to place it in the tab order, as I don't believe it's possible to tab to it.
00:34:27 <Mook_as> sounds good. (and the channel is logged, and flo is known to read the logs, so I'm sure he'll see it :D )
00:34:40 <gringochapin> Nice.
00:37:30 <gringochapin> If you folks have any other questions, feel free to email me at cannxxxonxa@firxeantproxductions.com with all the x's removed.  I'm always happy to help.
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01:20:49 <instantbot> wnayes@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1930 on bug 1521.
01:20:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1521 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Keyboard behaviour in list of popular networks
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02:41:42 <instant-buildbot> build #645 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/645
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04:42:44 <clokep> Mook: From what we've heard Instantbird is surprisingly accesible.
04:42:58 <clokep> (Also I'm constantly surprised by the number of people w/ screen readers. :))
04:43:04 <clokep> But yes, filing bugs is good!
04:46:13 <instant-buildbot> build #726 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/726
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06:12:04 <instant-buildbot> build #629 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/629
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08:42:36 <DGMurdockIII> duckduckgo for searches
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11:08:00 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1714 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
11:08:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1714 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, The expand button of Bubble system messages is not accessible
11:08:10 <flo> just so that we don't forget :)
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18:34:53 <Mic> Good evening
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