#instantbird log on 09 19 2012

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02:33:43 <instantbot> New Core - XMPP bug 1701 filed by mook.moz+bugs.instantbird@gmail.com.
02:33:44 <instantbot> mook.moz+bugs.instantbird@gmail.com requested review from the wind for attachment 1906 on bug 1701.
02:33:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1701 nor, --, ---, mook.moz+bugs.instantbird, NEW, XMPP should strip whitespace around JID
02:34:04 <instantbot> mook.moz+bugs.instantbird@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1906 on bug 1701.
02:34:11 <Mook> stupid bugzilla, silently dropping the reviewee
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02:59:29 <instant-buildbot> build #635 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/635
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04:39:19 * clokep_work thinks Moo k's patch is r+.
04:39:23 <clokep_work> But I'll let flo review. :)
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04:56:11 <Mook> fwiw, you can insert funny unicode like &zwj; if you really don't want to ping people :)
04:57:28 <clokep_work> Or I could just put a space. :) It seems like less work.
05:05:36 <instant-buildbot> build #716 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/716
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06:13:33 <instant-buildbot> build #619 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/619
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08:14:37 <Leo1> Hello
08:15:46 <Leo1> Is it possible to change IRC username (as opposed to nickname) from the default in Instantbird? Without this, I'm unable to connect and authenticate to my bouncer
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08:29:44 <Mic> hi
08:29:52 <Mic> Leo1: what's the username on IRC again?
08:30:40 <Leo1> on unix systems it usually defaults to your username, and is a different thing than nick
08:30:59 <Leo1> which is the username in IB (and TB too)
08:31:08 <Leo1> and here it defaults to client name
08:31:33 <Mic> Ah, is that the "Instantbir" part of your ... um, "hostname" then?
08:31:40 <Leo1> yup
08:32:30 <Leo1> it's the user part of nick!user@hostname thing
08:34:50 <Mic> I've heard about this before
08:35:23 <Mic> I don't know the solution though, flo can you help out?
08:36:02 <Mic> Leo1: otherwise wait for clokep (also clokep_work), he's written our IRC code.
08:37:12 <Leo1> I tried digging in settings editor, with no success though...
08:40:30 <Mic> Leo1: are you using a release of Instantbird or a nightly build?
08:41:14 <Mic> As far as I understand this is bug 1534, which should be fixed on nightly builds.
08:41:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1534 min, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, Allow using a custom username for IRC.
08:41:55 <Leo1> nice to see that
08:45:38 <Mic> The pref to change it would be "messenger.account.<account id>.username" then if I'm not mistaken
08:46:33 <Mic> Let's see, brb
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08:49:44 <Mic> The preference name is different from what I wrote.
08:50:49 <Mic> It's messenger.account.<account id>.options.username where <account id> is the internal id for your account. You'll need to figure that out yourself (look for the server's name for example)
08:51:18 <Mic> I've successfully changed my username to "Mic" by the way, so it does work on nightly builds.
08:56:36 <Leo1> I'll try it out in a moment, thanks
09:01:48 <Leo1> it seems to work, thank you
09:06:54 <flo> I was going to say that what Mic said is correct, but you already got it working, so never mind :). Glad it works for you :)
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09:11:26 <Leo1> now another issue is that account remains connecting, but it maybe an authentication issue
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09:17:33 <Leo1> not the case, I'll try to dump the connection log with wireshark and figure it out
09:18:22 <Leo1> Thanks for support, bye
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09:30:32 <Leo1> it doesn't work in the end, I figured out second SSL issue and I thought it works...
09:31:13 <Leo1> probably I'll have to wait for next TB release (or hack it in myself somehow) as IRC client is written in JS
09:32:17 <Leo1> despite setting the preference, default username is still used
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09:52:32 * florian wonders if Leo1 was attempting to connect to pybnc
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10:01:33 <Mic> Oh, the username fix should be in 1.2 too. I thought it were more recent...
10:11:28 <florian> Mic: he was using Tb apparently
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10:21:50 * florian has sent lots of review comments in wnayes' direction in bug 1495
10:21:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1495 enh, --, ---, wnayes, ASSI, Create an account import wizard - GSoC 2012
10:38:31 <florian> Mic: weren't you working on the patch to prevent JS accounts from creating duplicated accounts?
10:38:37 <florian> *JS protocols
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10:49:39 <Mic> Yes, but I hardly have time to work on anything at the moment :S
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10:51:38 <florian> Leo1: are you using pybnc?
10:51:44 <Leo1> yup
10:51:56 <Leo1> just tried earlybird, no luck
10:52:10 <florian> Leo1: are you stuck on "connecting..." forever until it timesout?
10:52:18 <Leo1> exactly
10:52:48 <florian> Leo1: go to the accounts status dialog, at the top of that dialog there's a "Display Name" field. Type there a name that contains a space.
10:52:57 <florian> Leo1: then disconnect the account and re-attempt to connect it.
10:54:48 <Leo1> just under the password field?
10:54:54 <florian> no
10:54:59 <florian> at the top of the window
10:55:56 <florian> Leo1: that window: http://i.imgur.com/EHuaH.png
10:57:19 <Leo1> yup, there is some progress
10:57:41 <Leo1> still, I get a message about wrong ident ;)
10:57:58 <florian> your password is wrong then :-P
10:58:26 <Leo1> BNC replies: "Wrong Password or invalid ident specified. Your ident is currently set to: Thunderbird. Disconnecting."
10:58:59 <Leo1> I'll return to earlybird once more for a while...
10:59:04 <florian> you haven't set the pref Mic gave correctly, or your Thunderbird is too old :)
11:00:24 <Leo1> the name is messenger.account.account1.options.username - so probably TB is indeed old
11:00:31 <Leo1> BRB
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11:02:22 * florian wonders how clokep feels about adding a "Username" advanced option to IRC accounts, so that people playing with crappy bouncers don't have to mess with about:config
11:03:39 <Leo1> just as I thought, Earlybird works OK.
11:04:58 <Leo1> Thanks for support, I think I'll move on to beta for a while
11:05:27 <florian> if you have time to test earlybird, you may want to join the testweek :)
11:06:10 <florian> Leo1: https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/thunderbird-testers/2012-September/000094.html
11:06:37 <Leo1> It would be nice to join, but my master thesis is waiting :P
11:07:04 <florian> I don't think it would take you too much time :)
11:09:58 <Mic> My first idea was to add that to the FAQ
11:10:08 <Mic> An advanced option doesn't sound bad either
11:10:26 <Mic> Ah, I guess my opinion on this topic doesn't really matter :D
11:10:29 <Leo1> I shouldn't be messing with this IRC stuff right now anyway, but maybe in a week
11:12:08 <Leo1> One more test...
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11:20:49 <Leo1> Beta doesn't work, I think I'll wait for 17 ;)
11:20:49 <Leo1> Thanks for support anyway. Maybe some alias on the crappy bouncer will do the job.
11:21:43 <Leo1> Bye
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12:03:20 <clokep_work> Good morning. :)
12:04:19 <florian> clokep_work: hello :)
12:06:05 <clokep_work> florian: I didn't realize that people actually change the username.
12:06:18 <clokep_work> <insert 5 - 8 minute rant on crappy IRC bouncers here>
12:06:27 <florian> clokep_work: I don't think they should, but it seems people using pybnc do ;)
12:06:40 <clokep_work> FWIW the username thing landed for Thunderbird 17, I checked this the other day.
12:07:01 <florian> clokep_work: that's what he said (earlybird).
12:08:17 <clokep_work> florian: I'm confirming that. ;)
12:08:31 <florian> reviewing large patches is tedious :(
12:09:06 <florian> and reading my review comments may be tedious too :(
12:09:35 <aleth> Can't one of those knowledgeable users patch pybnc instead? :-/
12:14:06 <clokep_work> aleth: It's not patching pybnc, it entirely works based on username authentication.
12:14:20 <clokep_work> florian: That was tedious to read.
12:14:42 <florian> clokep_work: why did you read it? :-D
12:14:44 <aleth> ouch. What a great design decision
12:17:29 <clokep_work> florian: I was interested. :)
12:18:17 <florian> clokep_work: did it make sense at least?
12:19:19 <florian> clokep_work: I'm reviewing the instantbird/ part now
12:19:40 <clokep_work> florian: Yes. :)
12:19:49 * clokep_work wonders if reviewing a patch on a red eye makes sense...
12:19:52 <clokep_work> My comments might be crazy. :-D
12:20:07 <clokep_work> florian: So I think adding the username in advanced is OK, but I'm not writing the patch for it.
12:20:29 <florian> clokep_work: I'm not either :)
12:20:40 <florian> "Instantbird" is ok as my username ;)
12:20:41 * clokep_work notes no one has actually filed a bug yet either. ;)
12:21:06 <florian> it's possible people who like to mess with bouncers are happy to mess with about:config too
12:21:32 <clokep_work> It might just be a documentation thing.
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12:40:58 * clokep_work wonders if florian is going to hg convert instantbird/ if he'll fix those old commits authors from svn. ;)
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12:43:35 <florian> clokep_work: does it matter?
12:43:44 <florian> how many authors are there?
12:44:56 <florian> revision 21 " [svn] Add the Account Manager window. :-) " 
12:45:51 * clokep_work shrugs.
12:45:55 <clokep_work> Just a passing thought I figured I'd share.
12:46:04 <florian> http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/7f4250480fbe was awesome
12:47:58 * clokep_work wonders who toto is.
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13:23:21 <florian> clokep: "toto" is "foo" in French ;).
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14:36:09 <florian> it's sad that we didn't show the || operator to wnayes before :(
14:36:31 <clokep_work> Yeah, I guess I didn't realize he didn't use it...
14:39:23 <florian> also, changing var -> let in the whole accountWizard.js file in a patch that was already too large wasn't the best idea :(
14:45:57 <clokep_work> You could make that change yourself first and remove it from the patch essentially?
14:46:50 <florian> I think we should consider it before looking at the next iteration of the patch
14:47:33 <florian> it = land that var->let mass change, and make wnayes create his updated patch from a revision that already has that change.
14:50:37 <clokep_work> Hopefully that wouldn't be lots of manual merging for him?
14:51:09 <florian> he should just save his current version of the file, and put it back there after hg updating, without bothering with the conflicts
14:51:32 <florian> (there would be conflicts almost at every line of the file anyway)
14:51:52 <clokep_work> Ah, right. :)
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14:55:12 * clokep_work likes that idea.
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15:05:05 <clokep_work> florian: Did you see my queries about 64-bit Linux?
15:05:10 <florian> yes
15:05:49 <florian> there's only 27GB left on the disk where we store nightlies
15:06:25 <clokep_work> OK, so it's a space issue.
15:06:48 <clokep_work> (For context, I was convincing one of the #komodo guys to try out Instantbird.)
15:07:06 <clokep_work> Apparently they all use Pidgin/GTalk for talking + he was using xchat. He didn't know Instantbird supported IRC.
15:07:26 <clokep_work> Seems to me they should all use Instantbird/GTalk. ;)
15:07:26 <florian> at the current rate, nightlies take between 3 and 4GB per month
15:07:39 <florian> (closer to 4 when we have less failures on the buildbot waterfal ;))
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15:09:05 <florian> so expect (roughly) nightlies to take an additional GB per month if we add 64bit builds
15:09:34 <clokep_work> Do we just need another hard drive? :P
15:09:43 <clokep_work> Or is there a more complicated issue?
15:09:59 <clokep_work> ( / bigger)
15:10:09 <florian> it's difficult to add another hardware to a machine for which we don't have physical access
15:10:35 <clokep_work> Oh, I keep forgetting that that is a real server somewhere.
15:11:04 <florian> the best plan would be to finally migrate from the old server that has 2*200GB of disk space to the new server (used currently only for AIO) that has (I think) 2TB
15:11:47 <clokep_work> Which involves convincing Even / you to move a bunch of stuff for us?
15:12:41 <florian> clokep_work: if my internet connection turns out to be stable enough (it's worked fine yesterday), we could maybe host the nightly archive on a hard disk in my house, and move all old nightlies to ftp-archive.ib.org and clean-up the old nightlies from the real server
15:13:18 <florian> clokep_work: yeah, it involves convincing Even and me to spent a lot of time to migrate all services from the old slow machine to the new one
15:13:54 <florian> clokep_work: we thought that having to pay for 2 servers instead of one until it's done would be a strong enough incentive to make us do it quickly, but apparently it isn't ;)
15:14:28 <clokep_work> florian: OK, well please let me know if I can help!
15:14:50 <clokep_work> I'd offer to host stuff at my house, but my server is KIA right now. :(
15:14:59 <florian> convince the right Mozilla people to let us use AMO, their ftp, and their socorro instance? :)
15:15:53 <florian> btw, someone should send a test email to the new list, and then I should move the email redirection :)
15:18:13 * clokep_work doesn't have data service right now...
15:18:20 <clokep_work> And I Can't log into my other email accounts with wireless service...
15:18:26 <clokep_work> So it's up to someone else. :-D
15:18:35 <Mic> And please let us know where to sign up for the new list :)
15:18:37 * clokep_work chooses Mic!
15:18:47 <clokep_work> Mic: I think you're signed up.
15:18:54 <clokep_work> (Were you on the old list?)
15:19:06 <clokep_work> You should have received an email saying you're signed up, maybe it went into your spam.
15:19:23 <clokep_work> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-instantbird is what you want though.
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15:19:35 <clokep_work> (And https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-chat)
15:19:58 <florian> "* clokep_work chooses Mic!" +1 :-P
15:21:29 <Mic> Was the mail sent during the last week?
15:21:33 <Mic> *email
15:22:05 <clokep_work> Yes.
15:22:09 <clokep_work> Well sometime in the last 10 days.
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15:23:19 <clokep_work> Mic: Apparently you're not on it.
15:23:21 <clokep_work> I lied. :(
15:23:50 <Mic> It's OK, I'll add myself
15:24:36 <Mic> Will there be changes to the team-adress?
15:24:57 <clokep_work> No.
15:25:06 <florian> clokep_work: Mic is in team@ib.org
15:25:09 <Mic> As far as I know the contact@...-emails were forwarded to team@...
15:25:17 <florian> clokep_work: and team is subscribed to the support mailing list
15:25:24 <Mic> Will that still be the case? If yes, I'm fine already.
15:25:30 <Mic> :)
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15:27:07 <clokep_work> Mic: Ah, yes. that's how it works.
15:27:15 * clokep_work finds it esaier to just sign up...
15:28:51 <florian> bah, wnayes also cleaned up the indent in accountWizard.xml :(
15:30:06 * clokep_work wonders if Mic can send to the list without being on it...
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16:19:03 <florian> I think I'll stop reviewing wnayes' patch for now (enough time spent on it for today ;)), but I still want to review the changes to chat/modules and at least one of the importers
16:27:37 <clokep_work> :)
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16:31:07 <clokep_work> florian: So...is the current machine sent as part of the XMPP connection or something? :-S
16:31:17 * clokep_work just turned his clock back a year and nothing would connect...
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16:34:02 <florian> clokep_work: sending machines through xmpp?
16:34:08 <florian> is that a new XEP? :)
16:35:21 <clokep_work> "current machine time", sorry. :)
16:36:35 <florian> clokep_work: time is important for oauth, so I would expect that you can't connect to twitter if your clock is off.
16:36:44 <florian> clokep_work: I don't see any reason why it would prevent other connections
16:37:03 <Mook_as> flo: for the jid thing, I thought having multiple lines would be clearer (hence also the added comment about the slash)
16:37:07 <clokep_work> florian: I was fine w/ IRC, not with XMPP.
16:37:15 <Mook_as> though of course if you think it's good enough as a single line, I can do that :)
16:37:48 <florian> Mook_as: I think it's more readable if I don't have to wonder what the variable is and what happens to it ;)
16:38:15 <florian> if you want to do the same thing with a line break before each . and add a comment on each line, that's good too :)
16:49:54 <clokep_work> One liner! :)
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16:58:08 * clokep_work wants an extension that fetches the log for missing conversation parts.
16:58:25 * florian too
16:58:43 <florian> but I also want a bot that logs #instantbird in a JSON format that would be friendly for Instantbird ;)
16:59:13 * clokep_work wants a bot that would log #maildev in a non-sucky format.
16:59:21 <clokep_work> That would be a nice CTCP extension too.
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16:59:37 <clokep_work> You send out REQUESTLOGS <UTC time start> <UTC time end>
16:59:51 <clokep_work> And if anyone else them, they DCC them to you or provide a web resource (in the case of a bot).
17:00:03 * clokep_work goes to implement that.
17:00:31 <florian> how do you control how many people send you the reply?
17:01:20 <clokep_work> Well there would need to be a handshake in there.
17:01:40 <clokep_work> You request, people tell you who has it, then you request from a specific one the actual data.
17:01:42 <Mook_as> umm, can you target more than one person in CTCP?
17:02:07 * clokep_work wonders what Mook_as thinks the ACTION message is...
17:02:23 <Mook_as> IRC magic? :P
17:02:31 <florian> clokep_work: so how fun is your thing in #ubuntu?
17:02:41 <clokep_work> florian: I didn't say it was perfect. ;)
17:02:46 <clokep_work> (Nor that it would scale one....)
17:02:58 <clokep_work> (What would probably make more sense is to only have bots respond. :))
17:03:11 <florian> yeah, only ask instantbot
17:03:22 <florian> and teach him log formats that don't suck
17:03:42 <florian> Mook_as: should I set an r- flag on that patch? (ie are you going to update it?)
17:04:53 <Mook_as> florian: feel free to either fix it yourself, or wait for me to poke it after I get home
17:05:03 <Mook_as> (which would be ~ 12 hours, +/- 2)
17:05:43 <Mook_as> I don't add people over xmpp that often, I can live with manually deleting whitespace for now ;)
17:07:35 <clokep_work> Mook_as: I'm surprised you guys don't have a legit server set up with people added via ldap or something.
17:09:56 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 1906 on bug 1701.
17:09:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1701 nor, --, ---, mook.moz+bugs.instantbird, NEW, XMPP should strip whitespace around JID
17:12:47 <florian> hmm, we should update to mozilla15 :(
17:13:02 <clokep_work> And libpurple 2.10.6.
17:13:04 <Mook_as> when's the next ESR? 17?
17:13:09 <clokep_work> Yes.
17:18:40 <clokep_work> If Mic and aleth were here we could do a quick plan for 1.3. ;)
17:25:26 <florian> clokep_work: what do you want to plan? :)
17:25:39 * clokep_work doesn't know.
17:25:43 * clokep_work just wants to feel productive...
17:26:07 <Mook_as> there's that _work thing... :D
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17:26:32 <clokep_work> I haven't written Instantbird code in two weeks!
17:26:52 <florian> clokep_work: I haven't written any instantbird code in a long while... :(
17:27:22 <florian> except if you count http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/b058d5635f20 as "writing code"
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17:31:30 <florian> bah, I wanted to test https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=792046 on instantbird before commiting it, but all it tells me is "SSL Handshake Failed" (ie we are using the libpurple prpl for xmpp...)
17:32:21 * florian applies the patch from bug 1589
17:32:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1589 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Replace libpurple XMPP with JS-XMPP
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17:34:16 <clokep_work> florian: It will help for IRC. :)
17:35:01 * clokep_work wanted to work on SIPE stuff this week...
17:35:22 <florian> someday I would like to include show nick by default
17:35:33 <florian> but I feel tired every evening when I arrive at home :-/
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17:39:45 <clokep_work> Don't work so hard druing the day.
17:42:27 <florian> clokep_work: should I land the chat/ changes from http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/8f1eedc904bb now (to avoid further bitrot mostly) or wait for someone (aleth?) to port some UI changes too?
17:43:50 <florian> it will force wnayes to update his patch for compatibility with Mike's changes :)
17:43:55 <florian> (I don't want to merge that myself)
17:45:25 <clokep_work> florian: Land the chat changes now, they UI changes should be landed separately anyway.
17:46:13 <florian> pff, it fails to apply already :-/
17:47:58 <clokep_work> Make mconley unbitrot it? ;)
17:48:29 * mconley disappears into a puff of smoke
17:49:22 <clokep_work> florian: c-c and ib probably need to be synced again badly. :-/
17:49:54 <florian> the difference seems to be http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/70243c558e3b
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17:50:04 <florian> that shouldn't be too bad :)
17:50:19 <florian> I'll go home before though :)
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18:20:20 * wnayes seems to have quite a few comments to read now :)
18:20:58 <clokep_work> wnayes: Sorry it took so long.
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18:21:35 <wnayes> Hopefully I can get a chance to make the changes sometime this week, pretty busy lately :S
18:22:12 <clokep_work> We udnerstand you're in school now, don't worry about that. :)
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19:30:44 * clokep_work hopes flo is working on something fun. :)
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19:31:20 <flo> clokep_work: just eating ;)
19:34:44 <clokep_work> Ah, I see. :)
19:34:52 <clokep_work> You have a functioning kitchen now?
19:35:56 <flo> I have a sink, a stove and a refrigerator. Not sure if that qualifies as "functioning kitchen"
19:36:09 <clokep_work> Kitchen table?
19:36:23 <flo> yeah
19:36:24 * clokep_work finds that functioning.
19:36:32 <flo> and a few chairs
19:36:47 <clokep_work> Mismatched? ;)
19:37:01 <flo> nope!
19:37:25 * flo things a dishwasher is required for a really functioning kitchen
19:37:29 <clokep_work> Ah, you're a real person! :P
19:37:33 <flo> *thinks
19:37:49 <clokep_work> Yeah, I don't really use mine that much.
19:39:16 <flo> an extractor hood would also be quite useful
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19:49:39 <clokep_work> Extractor hood? Hmm...
19:50:59 <flo> if that's not a correct translation, blame google translate :)
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22:12:34 <pztrn> hello everyone, is there any chance of building instantbird 1.2 on archlinux with xulrunner 15?
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22:29:18 <clokep_work> pztrn: It would probably work, but no promises.
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23:10:23 <wnayes> Would it be a good idea to split the import wizard patch into several different bugs/patches (one for the service, one for UI, and one for each importer) and maybe keep 1495 as a tracker bug?
23:10:48 <wnayes> Then each importer could be dealt with independently as needed.
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