#instantbird log on 09 17 2012

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02:55:04 <instant-buildbot> build #633 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/633
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08:07:19 <Keso> hi
08:07:31 <Keso> any news on XMPP over HTTP ?
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10:36:36 <Mic> Hi
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12:28:11 <flo-retina> even though I just r-'ed it, the patch in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787640 is great and we should definitely port it to Instantbird once it's ready.
12:28:38 <flo-retina> (btw, it's one of the rare cases where I think r+ when looking quickly and it turns out to be r- after closer examination)
12:29:00 <flo-retina> (well, it was actually at first "looks great, but I should look again at a time when I'll be more awake"...)
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14:19:53 <clokep_work> Anyone running with check Compatibility disabled?
14:20:00 <clokep_work> Do Not Disturb got disabled on me. :(
14:20:09 * clokep_work though the pref was extensions.checkCompatibility.1.3a
14:20:41 <florian> clokep_work: isn't it extensions.checkCompatibility.nightly?
14:27:37 <clokep_work> florian: Did we ever take that change?
14:27:47 <florian> I don't know
14:28:01 * florian doesn't have any extension installed here :-|
14:28:05 <clokep_work> florian: You're right, it is.
14:28:16 <clokep_work> I thought that was a hack Firefox added, but apparently it's toolkit. :)
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14:28:53 <clokep_work> Much better! :)
14:29:54 <florian> :)
14:30:04 <florian> so now I can't ping you any more while you work
14:30:05 <florian> ?
14:30:39 <florian> I should still update that HIghlight add-on for 1.2 and gerv :-/.
14:31:26 <florian> btw, what would you think of integrating that by default as an IRC advanced option? ("tracked keywords", that would be consistent with what we have for twitter, wouldn't it?)
14:33:23 <clokep_work> florian: I think that that makes sense.
14:33:33 <clokep_work> And you can ping me at work. I think it won't bring the window up.
14:33:37 <clokep_work> (Try it now?)
14:33:41 <florian> the less add-ons I have to maintain, the happier I'll be ;)
14:33:50 <florian> clokep_work: hey :)
14:34:09 <florian> clokep_work: by "I can't ping you" I meant that it wouldn't actually ping you, not that I can't try ;).
14:34:15 <clokep_work> florian: Yeah that works fine. Really it was just that I don't keep the window open, so new IMs would open the window...
14:34:20 <florian> ie, I meant that "Do Not Disturb" works
14:34:36 <clokep_work> florian: I almost wonder if it should be a chatroomfield value now an account pref. :-S
14:34:51 <clokep_work> (But those aren't saved across restarts...)
14:35:15 <florian> and it would suck to have to part and rejoin all rooms to change tracked keywords on IRC
14:37:24 <clokep_work> Oh, hmm...true.
14:37:55 <clokep_work> Maybe we need account.options.channel.<channel name>.stalkedWords ;)
14:37:57 <florian> but yeah, we may not want to track the same keywords on all channels
14:38:04 <florian> that's why Highlight has an "exception" field ;)
14:38:07 <clokep_work> (Maybe that can be left to an extension.)
14:38:19 <clokep_work> But it does seem like fairly basic functionality to me...
14:41:19 <clokep_work> (I mean being able to have different ones for different channels, not necessarily being able to have a function.)
14:42:19 <florian> letting users code a JS function wasn't a goal in itself, it was just that I couldn't come up with an UI that would express what I want the add-on to do
14:42:51 <florian> (I wanted to express "ping me for 'instantbird' in all MUCs except those that contain 'instantbird' in their name")
14:43:26 <clokep_work> Right.
14:43:34 * clokep_work shrugs.
14:43:47 <clokep_work> I'd be happy adding a "Stalked Keywords" option to the IRC account for now though. :)
14:43:56 <clokep_work> Patch coming up? Or are you gonna make Gerv write it? ;)
14:44:33 <florian> I'm not working on that, no
14:44:47 <florian> it's just you talking about incompatible add-ons that made me think about it
14:46:24 <clokep_work> Can we file a bug at least? :P
14:46:30 * clokep_work will do it.
14:47:12 <florian> :)
14:56:55 * clokep_work wonders if gerv has an account on BIO.
14:58:13 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1699 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
14:58:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1699 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add "Stalked Keywords" option to IRC
14:59:02 <florian> clokep_work: I think he does
14:59:21 <florian> is "Stalked" a chatzilla-ism?
15:00:17 <clokep_work> florian: It might be.
15:00:45 <clokep_work> "Tracked" works too, but I don't like using that term for both IRC and Twitter, since for Twitter it actually fetches /more/ information.
15:00:48 <clokep_work> They do different things.
15:02:04 <clokep_work> (Or am I just over analyzing?)
15:02:54 <florian> my previous point was that they are the same :)
15:03:04 <clokep_work> Fine. :P
15:03:10 <florian> but it's right that they aren't *exactly* the same :-S
15:03:29 <clokep_work> What do you think about implementing this for all accounts btw?
15:03:44 * clokep_work would really like to know every time "instantbird" is mentioned on devel@pidgin.
15:04:15 * florian too
15:04:19 <florian> highlight did that
15:04:38 <clokep_work> I know.
15:04:44 <florian> but I think it would be confusing for XMPP, as most people don't even know that MUCs exist there
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15:04:55 <florian> and most people expect that feature for IRC
15:05:11 <clokep_work> Right...
15:05:14 <florian> I don't think we can completely get rid of the add-on (even if I would like to), but we can probably satisfy most users
15:06:16 <clokep_work> Hmm...OK, well I guess my point is should this really be part of the IRC or should it be part of the UI?
15:06:22 <clokep_work> (And apply for all MUCs for all accounts.)
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15:07:42 <florian> oh, you mean part of the MUC UI, like the topic bar?
15:08:43 <clokep_work> Not exactly...I mean should it be handled in the UI layer or the "chat" layer.
15:08:50 <clokep_work> Like the "backend" vs. the "frontend".
15:09:01 <clokep_work> (Sorry I'm poorly explaining myself..)
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15:12:35 <clokep_work> So we could implement it in IRC when sending the message to the UI OR we can implement it in the UI when displaying messages.
15:13:52 <florian> right
15:14:01 <florian> Highlight does it at the frontend level
15:16:51 <clokep_work> Right, so I'm asking if that's the correct place. I tend to think that it is, but I'm not /against/ adding it at the IRC level.
15:19:19 <florian> doing it in the frontend sucks if you want all notifications/sounds/whatever to behave as if you were pinged
15:22:38 <clokep_work> Hm. OK.
15:27:02 <florian> I don't know if you want that though :)
15:27:33 <clokep_work> Yes, I think it should act exactly the same.
15:28:32 <florian> I'm not sure actually.
15:28:38 <florian> when you are pinged someone expects a reply from you
15:28:58 <florian> when there's a tracked keyword, you are interested in something, but nobody will know you failed to reply if you don't reply (nobody's waiting for you)
15:29:50 <clokep_work> True. :)
15:29:59 <clokep_work> Maybe we need a third category? :P
15:30:37 <florian> and maybe we want to highlight the keyword like other nicks (once show nick is there by default) rather than bold the whole line?
15:31:20 <florian> "when you are pinged someone expects a reply from you" that isn't exactly accurate either btw. It's usually only if your nick is at the beginning of the message
15:39:56 <clokep_work> florian: Yes, that would be nice (maybe use a grey color though?)
15:40:15 <florian> yes, with a less visible color
15:40:22 <florian> that's what I had in mind :)
15:40:33 <florian> although no, not really
15:40:48 <florian> I wanted to use a grey color for participants who have parted but are still mentioned :)
15:42:53 <clokep_work> Bah, OK. Well...something else then.
15:44:52 <clokep_work> I think I just found a really weird bug, can you confirm it florian?
15:45:09 <clokep_work> Know who you have currently have highlighted on the contact list (the contact is the double sized one.)
15:45:19 <clokep_work> Focus off the list (and the large contact goes away).
15:45:30 <clokep_work> Now click on the contact BELOW the one that was highlighted.
15:45:40 <clokep_work> And the contact that was highlighted becomes big again and is selected.
15:47:04 <florian> clokep_work: I'm not very surprised
15:47:22 <florian> the contact stays selected, so it's re-expanded when the list is focused
15:47:40 <florian> it's just that the focus event is handled before the click event, which kinda makes sense
15:47:48 <florian> (even though the result is obviously a bug :))
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15:48:20 <florian> back later )
15:48:21 <florian> *:)
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15:50:03 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1700 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
15:50:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1700 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Contact selection is messed up with selecting the contact below the selected contact on an unfocused
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20:43:51 * clokep_work didn't realize that anything happened w/ https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763623 ...
20:44:02 <clokep_work> Interesting though, not sure if we'd want to do the same or not.
20:47:00 <Mook_as> just make sure everybody lands something in /chat and get into the c-c list :p
20:48:35 <clokep_work> Mook_as: Your address in there is your IB one btw.
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20:51:43 <Mook_as> yeah, I noticed
20:52:06 <Mook_as> (and a separate one, with only the nick, in m-c)
20:52:22 <clokep_work> Hah, nice.
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23:49:12 <clokep_work> Looks like your patch is almost done mconley! Congrats. ;)
23:49:34 <mconley> clokep_work: thanks! :)
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23:56:54 * clokep_work wants to rant about someone in #maildev, but probably no one wants to hear it. ;)