#instantbird log on 09 16 2012

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01:14:42 <clokep_work> barlas: Doesn't look like any issues, but flo would know better.
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02:54:34 <instant-buildbot> build #632 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/632
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04:30:29 <clokep_work> Someone should reply to that mail on the contact list. :)
04:30:36 <clokep_work> I think I'd be too...not nice.
04:51:12 <instant-buildbot> build #713 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/713
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06:13:37 <instant-buildbot> build #616 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/616
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09:12:39 <FeuerFliege> hi :)
09:12:44 <FeuerFliege> i am back
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09:16:25 <flo> FeuerFliege: welcome back then :)
09:18:29 <flo> barlas (and clokep): it seems from barlas' log that the "instantbird" line at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/build.mk#35 also ended up commented out.
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10:57:58 <barlas> tier_app_dirs += \
10:57:59 <barlas>   2   chat \
10:58:00 <barlas>   1   #purple \
10:58:02 <barlas>   0   instantbird \                                                                                                                                    
10:58:03 <barlas>   1   $(NULL)
10:58:14 <barlas> This is how my file looks
10:58:21 <barlas> (ignore the numbers in start)
11:07:07 <flo> barlas: that's the problem :)
11:07:33 <flo> remove the "#purple \" line, or put it after the "$(NULL)" line.
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11:25:41 <barlas> Okay, that fixed it
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11:30:07 <barlas> So, how can I launch two instanbird at a time?
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12:26:17 <Mic> barlas: use the command line parameters "P" to open the profile chooser at startup and "no-remote" to tell Instantbird that it shouldn't switch to an already running instance.
12:26:48 <Mic> You'll need the right amount of "-" before the parameters, I think that's - for Windows and -- on Linux?
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12:46:44 <jacta> jacta@Jactalappen:~/Apps/instantbird$ ./instantbird - Cannot find Instantbird runtime directory. Exiting.
12:47:45 <aleth> jacta: Not heard of that one before. Are you using 64-bit Linux?
12:47:54 <jacta> aleth, yep
12:48:17 <aleth> Strange things can happen if you haven't got 32-bit compatibility libraries installed (the build is 32 bit)
12:48:30 <aleth> (unless you built it yourself)
12:48:30 <flo> Mic: -P and --no-remote; it's not related to the OS.
12:48:58 <jacta> aleth, im not that good with all this :\
12:49:06 <flo> Mic: usually - for short params, and -- for long parameters (ie full words). -Safe-mode is an (unfortunate) exception though.
12:49:18 <aleth> jacta: You should be able to install 32-bit libs from your distro's repo
12:49:32 <jacta> what libs? :/
12:49:55 <aleth> Packages. The name differs depending on the distro
12:50:07 <flo> jacta: which distribution is this, and how did you install Instantbird? Is it the binary from our website, or a package from the distribution?
12:50:47 <jacta> binary from homepage - counld'nt find it in xubuntu 12.04 :/
12:51:13 <jacta> brb 10 min :\
12:51:49 <aleth> I think I dug out the required lib for ubuntu before, so I can probably tell you what to install
12:52:00 * aleth regrets he didn't add it to the FAQ or somethin
12:52:21 <flo> something called ia32 I think
12:52:33 <aleth> jacta: Install ia32-libs from your package manager (probably synaptic)
12:52:49 <flo> really, we should provide 64 binaries for linux these days :(
12:52:55 <flo> or even better, a ppa for *buntu
12:53:32 <aleth> flo: Even better than the latter would be to get Debian to update their repo to the current IB
12:53:58 <flo> aleth: that sounds easier; just ping the debian maintainer :)
12:54:08 <flo> aleth: I don't think the debian package runs on ubuntu though
12:54:33 <flo> as debian still has xulrunner, and the ib package there depends on it; whereas ubuntu got rid of xulrunner and an ubuntu ib package would need to ship gecko, like tb does
12:54:48 <aleth> flo: I think there was a library issue, either xulrunner or libpurple
12:55:20 <aleth> flo: Interesting! So ubuntu could include it, but debian can't? That would already be a big win
12:55:54 <aleth> I thought the issue with 64bit Linux builds was lacking infrastructure?
12:55:57 <flo> aleth: debian has a xulrunner package used by Firefox, so there's no reason for the ib debian package to include gecko
12:56:14 <flo> aleth: it is. But we can buy more ;).
12:56:24 <flo> aleth: it's also lack of disk space on our server
12:56:25 <aleth> flo: But we release less frequently than FF so that won't work for us
12:56:59 <flo> aleth: "that won't work" that = ?
12:57:14 <aleth> The gecko versions won't always match
12:57:37 <flo> we would need an updated instantbird package for each gecko update, yes
12:57:46 <flo> that would suck, and it's the reason why xulrunner has been removed from ubuntu
12:58:09 <aleth> And getting IB into the ubuntu repos would be the more important part anyway
12:58:20 <aleth> so it's nice it's also easier ;)
12:59:15 <flo> aleth: it's not really "easier"
13:00:01 <flo> I discussed it with Chris at MozCamp. He couldn't come up with a clear answer as to how one can add in ubuntu's repository an application that isn't in debian's packages (or for which the debian packages are unsuitable for ubuntu)
13:00:13 <aleth> Oh.
13:00:16 <aleth> :(
13:00:37 <aleth> That does sound like a PPA is the only option then.
13:00:39 <flo> aleth: but I think anyway, having someone volunteering to do the actual work would be a good first steam
13:00:43 <flo> *step
13:00:51 <flo> even if that only gives us a PPA at first
13:01:03 <aleth> flo: Yes, I put up a post asking for volunteers on the ubuntu forum once, no replies (what a surprise)
13:01:17 <flo> and once usable packages do exist, we can talk more about it and probably convince chris to take it ;)
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13:01:44 <flo> aleth: I think a *good* ubuntu package should include some add-ons for ubuntu integration (some exist on AIO; never tried them)
13:02:04 <aleth> flo: Hopefully sooner or later a happy IB ubuntu user will show up on #instantbird someday...
13:02:05 <flo> aleth: should at least integrate the menu bar correctly, and probably try to do something with the global messaging thing they have need the clock.
13:02:13 <flo> aleth: and fix the stupid tray icon that doesn't work with unity
13:02:20 <aleth> Yes, it's getting it to integrate well with unity that requires someone that actually uses it
13:02:39 <flo> aleth: I don't really see how an "happy IB ubuntu user" is possible without all that done btw ;)
13:03:09 <aleth> flo: Other apps get their ubuntu integration from users that are happy enough with the app to do the remaining polish ;)
13:03:12 <flo> I installed Ib 1.2 on an up to date ubuntu yesterday (yes, I finally updated everything on that laptop my parents have ;)) and the UX really sucks. It's not correctly integrated out of the box
13:03:32 <aleth> So maybe there will not be anyone happy enough :(
13:03:39 <flo> aleth: I think idechix has done a fair amount of that work actually ;)
13:03:43 <aleth> I was hoping the author of those unity add-ons might want to ...
13:03:47 <flo> aleth: he's indeed an ubuntu user ;)
13:03:50 <aleth> probably him
13:04:09 <flo> I really wouldn't be on him doing that work.
13:04:28 <flo> and he doesn't understand how these add-ons work anyway. He just took the ubuntu integration add-ons for Tb, and ported them.
13:05:05 <aleth> So... we need to attract some more knowledgeable ubuntu users ;)
13:05:24 <flo> aleth: I think what we really need is someone already familiar with ubuntu packaging, and really frustrated with both Pidgin and Empathy ;).
13:06:56 <aleth> The tricky part would be for the ubuntu ppa to turn off the unity bits when the window manager is not unity
13:07:29 <aleth> Unless those add-ons are smart enough to do that.
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13:07:41 <flo> maybe it's already working that way? :)
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13:09:40 <aleth> douglaswth has not bumped his add-ons to 1.3 :(
13:09:55 <aleth> I just tried to use Input History...
13:10:25 <flo> maybe he uses 1.2? :)
13:11:24 <flo> anyway, I'll go refuel the AMI :)
13:11:40 <aleth> :)
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13:25:27 <jacta> aleth, ia32-libs is already the newest version.  - ia32-libs set to manually installed.
13:25:29 <jacta> :(
13:26:16 <aleth> jacta: So you have it installed already?
13:26:21 <jacta> it was, yes :\
13:27:05 <aleth> Hmm, that wasn't the problem then.
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13:32:51 <jacta> aleth, not really, no :/
13:33:23 <aleth> When you unpacked the downloaded file, you kept the directory structure intact?
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13:33:45 <aleth> i.e. you instantbird dir has lots of subdirectories?
13:37:17 <jacta> yep
13:37:25 <jacta> rebooting, but just uncpaked
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13:39:21 <aleth> Does it have a file "run-mozilla.sh"?
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13:44:37 <aleth> jacta: Does the instantbird folder contain a file "run-mozilla.sh"?
13:44:50 <jacta> -rw-r--r-- 1 jacta jacta    10380 Sep 14 08:18 run-mozilla.sh
13:45:35 <aleth> I don't know why you are getting that error message.
13:45:39 <aleth> Are you using the bash shell?
13:45:51 <jacta> yep i do
13:46:17 <aleth> So that should be OK
13:47:02 <jacta> how should I launch it? tried ./instantbird ?
13:48:16 <aleth> Yes, I don't see why that is failing.
13:49:05 <jacta> Cannot find Instantbird runtime directory. Exiting.
13:49:05 <jacta>  :(
13:49:42 <aleth> Try "./run-mozilla.sh ./instantbird-bin"
13:51:02 <jacta> that actually works :o
13:51:10 <aleth> Huh.
13:51:18 <jacta> Client started up :o
13:51:30 <jacta> jacta@Jactalappen:~/Apps/instantbird$ sh run-mozilla.sh ./instantbird-bin 
13:51:45 <aleth> Well, if you use that, you should probably put the full path instead of . to be safe.
13:52:02 <aleth> In case the current directory changes while it is runnning...
13:52:06 <jacta> but still strange it works that way :o
13:52:28 <aleth> Yes, I don't understand why the startup script is failing for you
13:52:46 <jacta> Really strange yes, buut yeaah :)
13:53:42 <aleth> ah! 
13:53:42 <jacta> thanks for your great help, can I provide anything logs for the devs that could help them
13:53:46 <aleth> try "which test"
13:54:09 <aleth> (from the command line)
13:54:32 <jacta> aleth, /usr/bin/test
13:54:46 <aleth> OK, so that's not the reason either :-/
13:54:54 <jacta> :(
13:54:56 <aleth> Anyway, I guess it's working for you now :)
13:55:07 <aleth> But do file a bug.
13:55:22 <aleth> In case this comes up in the future, maybe we can figure out what is causing it on xubuntu
13:55:41 <jacta> Good point, but yeaah, atleast its up and running :)))
13:56:07 <aleth> Just, next time you start it, put the full path in the command line.
13:56:21 <jacta> Ill do that, thaaaanks 
13:56:48 <aleth> i.e. run-mozilla.sh (full path to instantbird-bin)
13:57:27 <jacta> yep :)
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14:36:21 <clokep_work> Can someone respond to that support email please? :)
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15:07:22 <flo> clokep_work: the one who can't install add-ons?
15:07:46 <Mic> flo: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today#m96 is not quite correct either. I've checked my shortcut, it has "-P -no-remote -purgecaches" and it's working fine on Windows.
15:08:20 <clokep_work> Mic: Is right, it's -no-remote and -purgecaches on Windows, not -- as it should be.
15:08:22 <clokep_work> flo: Yes.
15:08:43 <flo> maybe both - and -- work then? :)
15:09:28 <clokep_work> I don't think they do...
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16:03:49 <clokep_work> Adding buddies on GTalk works, right? :)
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16:24:00 <barlas> clokep_work: Yes
16:24:34 <barlas> But if the tag you added them in is already hidden, you have to show/hide that tag before they show up.
16:28:21 <clokep_work> Right.
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17:56:17 * flo needs to fix or replace that part: http://queze.net/goinfre/mamie/pompe-essence-mamie-hs.jpg
17:56:29 <flo> (no, the AMI didn't work this afternoon)
17:57:25 <clokep_work> flo: Make one? ;)
17:58:47 <flo> make a fuel pump?
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17:59:59 <clokep_work> I bet a coffee machine has all the parts you need.
18:00:02 * clokep_work rolls eyes.
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18:00:28 <flo> clokep_work: on Sunday?
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