#instantbird log on 09 13 2012

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02:52:40 <instant-buildbot> build #629 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/629
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05:03:11 <clokep_work> Nice of you guys not to talk today. :)
05:04:21 <clokep_work> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/mozilla.dev.chat and https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/mozilla.support.instantbird
05:04:22 <clokep_work> :)
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05:26:04 <clokep_work> Mook: Do you have a lot of that #thunderbird conversation about IRC DCC? I'm curious. :)
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05:39:38 <Mook> clokep: there wasn't much, other than "can Tbird IRC send files?" "no, not yet; try chatzilla" :p
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05:47:40 <EionRobb> did someone say file transfer?
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09:04:19 <florian> Good morning :)
09:07:01 * florian has been playing with nglayout.debug.paint_flashing lately, and it makes it even more obvious that time bubbles' refreshIntervals function makes timers fire too often
09:13:50 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1696 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
09:13:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1696 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Bubbles' refreshIntervals function should be rewritten to make timers fire less often
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09:15:47 <florian> I've meant to file that bug for a while.
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09:49:44 <florian> aleth: are you in the team@ ib.org mailing list?
09:49:59 <aleth> florian: I don't think so
09:50:02 <florian> ah!
09:50:20 * florian was about to send an important email to that list that I definitely want all developers to read
09:50:51 <aleth> Possibly I am on it but there has not been an email in the past year or so on it
09:51:18 <florian> aleth: I think I email that list more often than once a year ;)
09:52:11 <Mic> The "user experience of Gerv"-emails were to that list iirc. Did you get those?
09:52:54 <aleth> No, I'm definitely not on it yet, I've never had an email from it
09:53:24 <Mic> hmm, they were sent to "instantbird@googlegroups.com", whatever this may be.
09:53:51 <florian> Mic: that's the old private contact @ ib.org
09:54:06 <florian> Mic: which is the list we actually use behind team @ib.org
09:54:19 <Mic> ...but another one of those was indeed sent to "team@..."
09:58:24 <Mic> "team@..." looks like another linkification bug :(
09:58:52 <florian> Mic: it's all BenB's linkification code's fault ;).
10:07:19 <florian> so team@ has currently Mic, goulagman, ecaron, flo, idechix, underscore, M orian, clokep and E ven.
10:09:19 <florian> aleth: I just added you. Let me know if you receive the notification of it :)
10:10:07 <florian> FireFliege (I'm not sure I spelled his nick correctly) should probably be added too
10:12:23 <florian> I would like to make clokep an admin of that list, but I can't find the option to put the web ui in en-US
10:12:45 <florian> (and the French version sucks anyway, half the labels in the left pane are cropped, making it quite difficult to use)
10:14:22 <Mic> The nick is "FeuerFliege" by the way
10:14:38 <florian> ah, I mixed the languages poorly :(
10:14:59 <florian> his Tb nick starts with Fire ;)
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10:19:47 <florian> I made clokep an admin on the team contact and l10n google groups.
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10:24:45 * florian bcc'ed aleth just to be sure
10:32:16 <florian> suggestion: replacing "11:42:55 - aleth [aleth@moz-E87FA436.ictp.it] entered the room." by "11:42:55 - aleth joined from aleth@moz-E87FA436.ictp.it."
10:48:09 <aleth> florian: I got the notification, thanks!
10:48:59 <aleth> florian: a good suggestion, but wouldn't it also be good to make the IP info optional (via a pref) and possibly turned off by default?
10:49:27 <florian> yes, it should be off by default
10:49:40 <florian> but *I* want to see it
10:49:57 <florian> and I don't want to see "11:03:05 - mode (#instantbird +ntr) by gravel.mozilla.org." (non sense, I don't even understand what it means).
10:50:14 <florian> and as a developer I would be tempted to use the same pref for both, so I'm not sure what I should file as a bug :-S
10:51:12 <florian> maybe "The topic for #instantbird (+ntr) is: ..." would be nicer for advanced users
10:53:35 <florian> I'm doing checkins. I have commited bug 1689, bug 1695 and bug 1541. Anything else?
10:53:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1689 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Windows build failure: mv: cannot stat `fake.lib' : No such file or directory"
10:53:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1695 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Ping only for twitter '@' mentions
10:53:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1541 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, MODE fails to handle when a key is set and we are in the room
10:54:09 <florian> hmm https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787433  - IRC component should return a proper CTCP VERSION response.
10:58:35 <florian> I was talking to someone on Bonjour. He disconnected (that removes the buddy from the list, rather than just sending a sign-off notification), and when I replied it displayed in the conversation "Unable to send message." without any system/status message before
10:58:55 <aleth> florian: there is already a bug for improving the mode messages
10:59:07 <aleth> florian: I want to see it too, hence a pref ;)
10:59:54 <florian> why do we have to wait for the whois reply to display the "connected from:" line of the tooltip, btw?
11:00:47 <aleth> I don't think there is already a bug for the join message improvement
11:06:17 <aleth> florian: I can't remember, I think it's because we delete the existing whois info before fetching it (rather than just overwriting existing entries)
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11:23:00 <florian> ah, it's sad that we didn't fix bug 1492 before Tb15 :(
11:23:02 <Mic> florian: I had a bug for the topic-row on the tooltip of conversations.
11:23:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1492 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Rename purpleConversation -> prplConversation where appropriate
11:23:11 <Mic> clokep r+-ed it
11:23:24 <Mic> Maybe he missed setting checkin-needed?
11:23:39 <florian> do you remember the numbe?
11:23:40 <florian> *number
11:24:16 <Mic> One minute, please.
11:24:22 <Mic> Bug 1196
11:24:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1196 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Chat tooltips should contain the topic
11:25:18 <florian> bugzilla feels slow today :(
11:26:11 <florian> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1497#c12 says we should file another UI bug to do some more fixes (I suspect they are 1.3-wanted). Have we filed that bug?
11:26:14 <instantbot> Bug 1497 nor, --, 1.2, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, When starting with necko offline, connect accounts as soon as the network is back. Also avoid connec
11:27:18 <Mic> No idea.
11:27:28 <florian> that's a question for aleth I guess :)
11:27:54 <Mic> florian: your orange color looks nicer than the pink you had before by the way.
11:28:07 <florian> :)
11:28:09 <Mic> Any reason that you no longer use "flo" here?
11:28:17 <florian> because I'm not "here" :)
11:28:34 <florian> I think I'm likely to use florian on MoCo's macbook, and flo on my older macbook
11:28:46 <Mic> Ah :)
11:29:20 <florian> I'm down to 23 unread bugmail (goal for today: less than 20 at the end of the day). I started at 60+ this morning.
11:29:39 <florian> (and I'm purposefully keeping all the review requested emails as unread until the review is done ;))
11:31:47 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/46d0d1e824eb - Patrick Cloke - Bug 787433 - IRC component should return a proper CTCP VERSION response, r=aleth.
11:31:48 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/17b7f0fe8e9f - aleth - Bug 1695 - Ping only for twitter '@' mentions, r=fqueze.
11:31:49 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/f556afd49922 - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1689 - Windows build failure: mv: cannot stat `fake.lib\' : No such file or directory, r=fqueze.
11:31:50 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/7f579220e56b - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1541 - MODE fails to handle when a key is set and we are in the room, r=aleth.
11:31:51 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/879c7827a2e2 - Benedikt Pfeifer - Bug 1196 - Chat tooltips should contain the topic, r=clokep.
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12:12:07 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1196 to FIXED.
12:12:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1196 enh, --, 1.3, benediktp, RESO FIXED, Chat tooltips should contain the topic
12:13:19 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1541 to FIXED.
12:13:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1541 nor, --, 1.3, clokep, RESO FIXED, MODE fails to handle when a key is set and we are in the room
12:14:40 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1695 to FIXED.
12:14:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1695 nor, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Ping only for twitter '@' mentions
12:15:21 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1689 to FIXED.
12:15:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1689 blo, --, 1.3, clokep, RESO FIXED, Windows build failure: mv: cannot stat `fake.lib' : No such file or directory"
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13:15:07 <clokep_work> florian: Nice email to the helpdesk. :)
13:15:51 <florian> clokep_work: I tried to not be too aggressive with them. :)
13:20:48 <clokep_work> florian: I'm glad you understood the patch in bug 1541. ;) tl;dr? :P
13:20:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1541 nor, --, 1.3, clokep, RESO FIXED, MODE fails to handle when a key is set and we are in the room
13:20:58 <clokep_work> florian: Yes, it was well done. Didn't read your other one to team@ yet.
13:21:06 <clokep_work> (Did you also make me an admin of the contact list?)
13:21:15 <florian> clokep_work: yes
13:21:46 <florian> clokep_work: you are now admin for instantbird (ie team), instantbird-contact (ie contact) and instantbird-l10n (ie l10n)
13:22:03 <florian> clokep_work: that patch was tl;dr, yes :-]
13:22:49 <florian> I think it's a better use of my time to read patches in my review queue than in the checkin-needed queue, especially when they are in areas where I'm confident both the patch author and reviewer understand the code at least as well as me :).
13:24:19 <barlas> There is Internet Explorer Team?
13:24:37 <florian> barlas: :-P
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13:26:59 <clokep_work> florian: Excellent. If I'm not too tired tonight I'll try to get the sswitch to m.s.instantbird started...
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13:50:11 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 1697 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
13:50:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1697 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Update /mode command syntax
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15:10:49 * florian would like to r+ mconley's patch to avoid having to look at it again tomorrow, but that sounds difficult :-/.
15:11:28 <mconley> florian: r+ out of desperation? Nice. :)
15:11:41 <mconley> florian: it was probably about as fun to write as it is to review.
15:12:06 <florian> mconley: I hope you had fun then :-D
15:12:49 * mconley rocks his hand back and forth, giving the "kinda" signal
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15:47:36 <Mic> florian: has the fix for bug 1668 made it into Tb already?
15:47:44 <Mic> Sounds like it could help here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790539#c9
15:47:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1668 nor, --, 1.3, mook.moz+bugs.instantbird, RESO FIXED, Enhance imXPCOMUtils debug logging to have module-specific prefs
15:48:50 <florian> Mic: I think it hasn't
15:50:05 <Mic> Thanks.
15:50:28 <florian> merging is painful, as mentioned in my email ;)
15:53:58 <Mic> I've yet to read it.
15:54:39 <florian> that's the problem with long emails, nobody reads them :-/
15:56:51 <Mic> At least I haven't marked it as read already :P
15:57:05 <Mic> I need to go, have a nice evening.
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17:40:55 <florian> mconley: sorry it's not r+, but at least it's a fast review (for a patch of this size).
17:41:30 <mconley> florian: coolbeans - thanks for the review. :)
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20:46:29 <clokep_work> flo: I think a target of 3 - 4 times a year is good, so every 3 months is reasonable.
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20:47:46 <flo> clokep_work: do we have enough people and motivation to coordinate l10n and update the website 4 times a year?
20:48:07 <clokep_work> I don't know. :)
20:48:23 <flo> I seriously doubt it (but I would be glad to be proved wrong).
20:48:41 <clokep_work> If you release off of comm-release, l10n becomes a little easier...as chat/ gets localized for both.
20:48:53 <flo> we don't have enough infrastructure for it to be really possible either, but we can throw money/hardware at that part, so it's not really worrying me.
20:49:16 <flo> clokep_work: if im/ isn't localized, having a localized chat/ doesn't help us
20:49:58 <aleth> 4 releases/year sounds a bit optimistic to me, unless the procedure can be more automated than they seem to have been
20:50:25 <clokep_work> flo: I understand that, I'm just saying it helps a little bit.
20:50:38 <flo> it would be awesome to have im/locales/ be localized directly in Mozilla's l10n repositories, but it's a political move I don't even want to attempt at this point, as reducing the pressure on localizers is one of the (poor) excuses to explain the decision of dropping the Tb staff.
20:51:03 <clokep_work> Fair enough.
20:51:11 <clokep_work> I think we should just plan our next release at some point and go w/ that. ;)
20:51:15 <flo> clokep_work: it helps localizers as they have less work to do, but it doesn't help us (there's still as much work to coordinate with localizers)
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20:51:36 <clokep_work> flo: AH, I see what you're saying. Yes.
20:51:39 <flo> clokep_work: what about releasing at the same time as gecko 17 (November 20)?
20:51:50 <flo> clokep_work: I think by that time we will have wnayes' patch in
20:52:45 <clokep_work> flo: Sounds good to me. :)
20:53:01 * clokep_work wonders if he should request commit access...
20:53:17 <clokep_work> (Soon.)
20:53:20 <flo> btw, I don't see the point of releasing often if we don't have someone willing to put in the energy of actually making some noise around them when they are out
20:54:12 <flo> clokep_work: unless you have a need for the try server, relying on checkin-needed (without feeling guilty for it!) is less work ;)
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20:55:15 <flo> and we also need to push that BIO->BMO merge
20:55:29 <flo> that will probably take some of our time and energy
20:55:55 <aleth> Yes, things could get a bit confusing without it.
20:56:03 <clokep_work> Yes...
20:56:10 <flo> clokep_work: I think you will need commit access as soon as im/ is in c-c :)
20:56:13 * clokep_work is planning to start being more obnoxious about that.
20:56:40 <flo> clokep_work: I would really like that merge to be finished before I leave the tb team
20:57:04 <clokep_work> flo: I would have liked it done before Thunderbird 15 was released.
20:57:07 <flo> saying that it's to help the tb-chat community is a good excuse to spend time on it for now
20:57:26 <flo> clokep_work: there are so many things that I would have liked to be already done... ;)
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20:57:44 <clokep_work> flo: Not a good enough excuse to not do my work though. ;)
20:57:51 * clokep_work is compiling...
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21:12:37 <clokep_work> Bah they said october for BIO->BMO.
21:12:41 * clokep_work can't write nasty emails yet.
21:13:28 <flo> nasty emails rarely help anyway
21:13:38 <flo> but if someone wants to ask mitchell for some support... :-P
21:14:01 <flo> (I tried again at mozcamp :-D)
21:15:54 <clokep_work> Yeah they seem very willing to do it...
21:22:39 * clokep_work wonders if https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765741 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765769 can be closed now...
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21:53:21 <clokep_work> Mook_as: Thanks. I thought it was a real conversation about it. :)
21:54:06 <Mook_as> it just wasn't an interesting one :)
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