#instantbird log on 09 11 2012

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00:16:24 <clokep_work> flo: The Twitter behavior you're describing is broken, yes.
00:16:36 <clokep_work> And it doesn't necessarily have to do with tracking your own nick.
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01:10:41 <DGMurdockIII> just make sure you on the new twitter api
01:11:11 <DGMurdockIII> and now braking a rules they set for twitter aps
01:12:05 <DGMurdockIII> not*
01:12:23 <DGMurdockIII> i ment to say not instead of now
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02:57:12 <instant-buildbot> build #627 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/627
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04:18:30 topic changed by gravel.mozilla.org to "Ask about Instantbird (http://instantbird.com) here!|Current version is Instantbird 1.2! :) |News: http://blog.instantbird.org/ |Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (for testing only) |IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/ |Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org/ | Bugs: http://bugzilla.instantbird.org"
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04:49:57 <instant-buildbot> build #705 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/705
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06:14:04 <instant-buildbot> build #611 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/611
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09:28:01 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 1905 on bug 1695.
09:28:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1695 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Ping only for twitter '@' mentions
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10:16:38 <florian> is there any mxr equivalent for github repositories?
10:16:49 * florian is trying to find something in the Jetpack SDK source code
10:22:22 <florian> I'm trying to find the file resources/api-utils/lib/l10n/html.js of the gecko parser add-on, to submit a patch
10:23:18 <florian> ah, here it is https://github.com/mozilla/addon-sdk/blob/master/packages/api-utils/lib/l10n/html.js :)
10:23:34 <florian> and someone already fixed the bug that annoyed me.
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10:26:21 <florian> It was https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=769483
10:26:41 <florian> I think that's what made the profiler useless for profiling the display of IM conversations
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10:32:31 <aleth> oh, that's good news :)
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10:41:22 <florian> my poor debug thunderbird seems completely frozen
10:41:28 <florian> s/debug/profiling/ actually :)
10:41:45 * florian has a twitter timeline with ~10k tweets
10:42:11 <aleth> Search on github is really annoying. Afaik the only way to search code is via the general search interface. You pick "search for: Code" from the dropdown and then have to manually restrict with "repo:username/reponame"
10:42:23 <aleth> At least that was the way to do it last time I tried...
10:43:07 <florian> "Search on github is really annoying." -> mozilla projects being hosted on random github repositories is really annoying ;).
10:44:56 <aleth> ^^ yes, that always seemed like a good way to fragment everything
10:46:08 <aleth> You also have to spend time figuring out where to file bugs (eg pdf.js is on github too, but also in the nightlies...)
10:46:45 * aleth is disappointed that 10k tweets freeze TB... doesn't sounds like /that/ many
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11:49:33 <florian> the verbose about:memory of current trunk seems way more interesting than what we have currently :)
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12:39:53 <florian1> nglayout.debug.paint_flashing is fun
12:40:27 <florian1> sometimes the layout engine is very clever and redisplays only very tiny parts, and sometimes whole areas are re-painted for seemingly no reason
12:40:32 <barlas> florian1: Did you check my issue when compiling instantbird?
12:40:48 <florian1> barlas: you had a too new glib, and someone told you that almost immediately
12:40:55 <barlas> Yep
12:41:05 <barlas> I was wondering if there is any other solution to it.
12:41:12 <florian1> other than what?
12:41:16 <barlas> Both of the people who told me that aren't here :)
12:41:25 <florian1> you can either fix the code to be compatible with new glib, or use an older glib
12:41:25 <barlas> Other than downgrading glib
12:41:28 <florian1> or use a nightly build
12:41:33 <clokep_work> Your options are: downgrade glib or patch Instantbird to compile w/ a newer glib is the other issue. ;)
12:41:36 <florian1> or were you trying to start hacking instantbird?
12:41:40 <clokep_work> (And I was one of the people, and I'm here. :P)
12:41:53 <barlas> clokep_work: heh
12:42:08 <barlas> florian1: I was trying to start hacking, but I couldn't even compile it :)
12:42:23 * florian1 would like to know how much bogus repainting is enough to be worth filing a bug
12:42:44 <florian1> barlas: ok, so then patch it
12:42:55 <florian1> barlas: or build without libpurple if libpurple doesn't matter for what you want to hack on :)
12:43:10 <barlas> What about other issues, they were related to glib too?
12:43:34 <barlas> Hmm.. no, I don't think I need libpurple, at least not right now.
12:43:35 <florian1> what other issues?
12:43:43 * barlas should find the pastebin link again
12:44:41 <barlas> Hmm, there should be search in pastebin
12:44:46 <florian1> ah, I guess the full repaints are because we have background gradients :-S
12:44:56 <florian1> barlas: no, there shouldn't :)
12:45:00 <florian1> barlas: for privacy ;)
12:45:36 <barlas> I know :-/
12:46:31 <barlas> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/73232
12:46:34 <barlas> The ones around line 70
12:47:13 <barlas> Hmm... it doesn't say anything near that, must be because of same glib errors then
12:47:24 * clokep_work doesn't think we have a --disable-purple flag though. :(
12:47:28 <florian1> there's nothing around line 70
12:47:44 <florian1> clokep_work: commenting out the purple line in build.mk should do
12:49:08 <clokep_work> florian1: Of course, I didn't think it was /difficult/, just not as easy as passing a flag. ;)
12:50:46 <barlas> Okay, will try that.
12:51:29 <clokep_work> florian1: Anything awesome from MozCamp?
12:57:23 <barlas> clokep_work [Instantbir@moz-69FB3955.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] entered the room.
12:57:36 <barlas> Is there any way to change the 'Instantbir' part in Instantbird?
13:03:33 <clokep_work> about:config set find the account, set messenger.accounts.account<number>.options.username to whatever you want.
13:03:45 <barlas>  Ah, thanks :)
13:05:14 <clokep_work> Why do you really care what it is, out of curisoity?
13:05:55 <florian1> clokep_work: how do you define "awesome"? :)
13:06:26 <florian1> I think the memshrink and snappy presentations were quite good, but it's possible I'm biased because I already followed and like these projects.
13:06:31 <florian1> some demos were nice
13:07:20 <clokep_work> florian1: Glad it was good! I'd like to hear about some of the presentations at some point. (WebRTC and maybe some others), do you know if slides were put up at all?
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13:07:53 <florian1> clokep_work: I think lots of slides were put online, yes. And possibly some videos on airmozilla
13:08:03 <florian1> webrtc seems very promising
13:08:19 <barlas> clokep_work: Someone pointed out that it says 'instantbi' (on freenode), they were making fun about 'bi' part, I don't really care about that, but it did make me curious whether it can be changed or not.
13:08:25 <Mic> Hi
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13:09:43 <clokep_work> barlas: Because the network limits the number of characters.
13:10:02 <barlas> clokep_work: I figured
13:10:20 <barlas> It's instantbir on mozilla.
13:10:31 <clokep_work> Yes.
13:10:41 * clokep_work needs to go in a second.
13:13:59 <clokep_work> I'll need to track down the slides then, unfortunately I'm missing PMO for a week or two...
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13:32:44 <florian> I have a profile of displaying 10k tweets in Tb, but for some reason the web UI breaks on the uploaded profile, so I won't be able to share it :(
13:37:22 <florian> we spend 100% (!) of the time in getBoundingClientRect
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13:42:46 <Mic> florian: is that something that is easily fixed?
13:43:04 <florian> well... I don't know yet :)
13:47:23 <florian> the getBoundingClientRect call for a conversation with 10k tweets takes an awesome 43237ms
13:49:08 <florian> so whatever the reason was for adding http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/content/convbrowser.xml#410, we need to find another solution to replace it
13:49:39 <meh> nice
13:50:06 <florian> does anybody remember if it's on purpose that we don't scroll to the bottom of the conversation view in the log viewer?
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13:50:25 <florian> ah, aleth, just who I needed! :)
13:50:27 <Mic> florian: yes, I think it was intentional
13:51:00 <florian> Mic: because that getBoundingClientRect call is only there to ensure the auto-scroll code isn't going to fail, so if we don't want to scroll to the bottom, we should just get rid of it...
13:51:09 <florian> well, for the case of displaying an old conversation at least
13:51:27 <Mic> Bug 1242 ?
13:51:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1242 min, --, 1.2, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, JSON log viewer scrolls to end of conversation on opening log
13:51:57 <florian> bah
13:52:06 <florian> seems like something that desperately needs porting to Tb
13:52:35 <aleth> florian: It's odd that getBoundingClientRect affects anything on opening a conversation from hold, if that's what you were measuring. It shouldn't
13:52:42 <florian> except it's already at http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mail/components/im/content/chat-messenger-overlay.js#361
13:52:57 <florian> aleth: I'm looking at what happens when displaying a twitter log with 10k messages
13:53:34 <florian> and I've commented out the 2 lines at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/content/convbrowser.xml#292 so that displaying the whole conversation blocks and I don't get noise from unrelated things in my profile
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13:54:56 <aleth> still, it sounds like noAutoScroll should be set on calling displayMessage
13:56:07 <florian> aleth: sure, it should!
13:56:21 <florian> that would save us for the case of displaying logs
13:57:04 <aleth> But it is, here http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/content/convbrowser.xml#290 (isn't it?)
13:57:16 <florian> nope
13:57:38 <florian> that code sets noAutoScroll for all messages but the last one
13:58:08 <florian> I think displayPendingMessages could take another parameter to disable auto-scroll
13:58:30 <florian> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=1418&action=diff looks a bit like a hack
13:59:34 <aleth> A fair bit of the autoscroll code looks a bit like a hack ;)
13:59:45 * florian agrees
14:00:19 * florian is tired of paint flashing for Instantbird
14:00:26 <florian> I won't fix painting bugs today anyway :)
14:01:02 <aleth> Do you remember what that ireflow bug was in the first place?
14:01:17 <florian> I remember it was painful
14:01:42 <florian> I think it caused us to auto-scroll to the top of the conversation rather than the bottom
14:01:48 <florian> but that part was probably fixed
14:02:25 <aleth> Maybe we should drop that line from nightlies and see what breaks
14:03:09 <florian> so even if I comment out that getBoundingClientRect call, displaying the 10k tweets conv still takes 10685ms
14:03:15 <aleth> (well, try it at home first)
14:03:32 <florian> aleth: at this point I'm just trying to understand how the time is spent
14:04:04 <aleth> Does the time spent displaying each message go up with the # of existing messages?
14:05:13 <florian> another problem is... without that line, nothing's faster
14:05:35 <florian> we return from the JS function sooner, but the CPU is still at 100% and the conversation area is still blank for approximatively the same time
14:05:42 <aleth> oh. so can one trust the profiler?
14:05:50 <aleth> or are we waiting somewhere?
14:06:09 <florian> aleth: if we aren't forcing a reflow, the reflow still happens, but after our code is done
14:06:20 <florian> with doesn't make a large difference on the overall result apparently
14:06:33 <florian> I thought ireflow was supposed to not block the even loop :-/.
14:07:22 <florian> I wonder if we could save the whole generated HTML file and send it to gecko layout people so that they can look at it and decide what's so slow to display
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14:09:52 <aleth> Or if we should not add the html message by message and instead add a huge chunk all at once when possible
14:10:58 <florian> and after we are done with the reflow, we spend a lot of time painting, and doing a GC/CC
14:11:34 <florian> aleth: well, if we save the whole HTML file and loading/displaying that as a whole page is still slow, then it's not related to the way we add messages to the DOM
14:11:57 <Mic> florian: I just wanted to suggest trying this :)
14:12:10 <florian> Mic: do you know a way to do it?
14:12:18 <aleth> Right. In that case it would depend mainly on the message style.
14:12:19 <florian> can DOMi find me a way to do it?
14:12:30 <Mic> To store the HTML?
14:12:47 <florian> aleth: well, I don't think it's reasonable for gecko to freeze while displaying a large HTML page ;)
14:13:06 <florian> but maybe I'm asking for a multi-process gecko here :-/
14:13:22 <Mic> I'd either try "view selection source" or "save page as" (I'm not sure if I ever published the latter (or if I even still have it somewhere))
14:14:45 <florian> DOMi has "Save DOM as..." :)
14:14:53 <Mic> :)
14:17:05 <florian> the saved DOM weights less than 4MB
14:18:47 <Mic> I assume you'll need to fix paths to include the images and stylesheets correctly?
14:18:57 <Mic> Or does DOMi take care of this for you already?
14:19:42 <florian> Firefox is also not very responsive on it, spending a lot of time doing reflow
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14:20:09 <Mic> Maybe showing 10k messages in a conversation at once is just wrong.
14:20:09 <florian> I loaded it without CSS for now
14:20:27 * florian likes the "maybe" in that sentence :-D
14:30:20 <Mic> bye
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14:30:59 <florian> my Firefox nightly seems frozen now :-S
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14:54:57 <florian> uh, when displaying it from an http:// url it doesn't freeze at all :-S
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15:20:14 <florian> I wonder if bugs like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790255 are likely to be useful or not.
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16:04:51 <florian> imContentSink.jsm and imSmileys.jsm each have 2.5MB of memory reported in about:memory as being for cross-compartment-wrappers
16:05:00 <florian> I wonder what they keep references to.
16:05:37 <florian> they are the 2 biggest compartments about:memory shows me.
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16:21:47 <florian> here is how we spend time in JS (the 10 first seconds of the 50 total seconds it take to display the conversation) : http://i.imgur.com/SThp3.jpg
16:26:51 <florian> I have a feeling that understanding what's up with the compartment wrappers in imContentSink and imSmileys would help here too
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16:55:22 * florian has just received an email send to all @mozilla saying "IRC [...] For newcomers we recommend using Adium on Mac, and the Windows version is Pidgin, but there are plenty of other options out there. "
16:55:23 <florian> :(
16:59:56 <dew> :(
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18:49:14 <aleth> :(
18:49:32 <aleth> I had also hoped post-TB15 IB would be a bit better known inside mozilla...\
18:51:45 <florian> aleth: they don't mention TB either ;)
18:51:54 <meh> florian, that's sad
18:52:06 <meh> florian, go find the one that sent it
18:52:15 <florian> meh: yeah
18:52:31 <meh> and pinch his nose from meh
18:52:58 * aleth scrolls around flo's retina-resolution profiler screenshot
18:53:09 <florian> aleth: sorry
18:53:22 <florian> I think the window wasn't full screen though :)
18:53:27 <aleth> no problem! just took me a second to figure out what had happened
18:53:43 <florian> you are used to having the largest screen? :)
18:53:49 <Mook_as> haha, more talks about file transfer :D
18:54:07 <aleth> large enough at any rate ;)
18:54:53 <florian> Mook_as: uh?
18:55:45 <aleth> That's surprising that it freezes FF too, I would not have expected that.
18:56:00 <Mook_as> oh, #thunderbird in relation to IRC/DCC
18:56:16 <aleth> I thought there'd be even more time spent in replaceKeywordsInHTML
18:57:43 <aleth> but imContentSink seems to beat it.
19:01:14 <florian> aleth: I screenshotted only the JS, but I suspect the JS code wastes a lot of time creating cross compartment wrappers (and I don't understand why they are created in the first place)
19:04:39 <aleth> The entries labelled "Gecko Profiler" - why aren't those automatically subtracted out? Or is the label mistaken?
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19:21:32 <florian> aleth: I don't know, but that doesn't seem to be spending a significant amount of time
19:21:44 <aleth> No, just wondering
19:33:10 <florian> aleth: if you have a nightly of Firefox, you can look at the real profile at http://people.mozilla.com/~bgirard/cleopatra/?report=83009d2d95d7e6974b00055ed8fd99fe68809a9d
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