#instantbird log on 09 10 2012

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02:44:03 <instant-buildbot> build #626 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/626
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04:19:50 <instant-buildbot> build #704 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/704
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04:32:07 <clokep_work> flo: So I do have Internet (just got to where I'm staying today), but very little time to use it. :)
04:41:48 <Mook> isn't it late for, err, where you usually are?
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04:44:51 <clokep_work> Mook: I'm in your TZ.
04:45:31 <clokep_work> (Assuming you're in Pacific time...?)
04:45:33 <Mook> ah, okay, so reasonably-timed :D
04:45:41 <Mook> yeah, I'm on zilla-time
04:46:02 <clokep_work> My body still thinks it's 1 AM though. ;)
04:46:17 * clokep_work wonders if Lightning supports Zilla-time as a TZ.
04:48:35 <clokep_work> flo: Also, feel free to make me an admin of that Google Group and I'll try to send that email sometime this week. :)
04:49:55 <Mook> ugh, why is this browserid implementation so broken
04:50:20 <clokep_work> Mook: I'd ask "Which browserID implementation?" but I'm afraid that answer is "all of them". :P
04:50:41 <Mook> well, the spec is broken too. but I'm talking about the native one for desktop :p
04:50:59 <Mook> ... but then, I haven't thought about charsets yet...
04:53:32 <Mook> on the bright side: it hasn't had time yet to get people to add their own special changes. (no need, upstream is doing just fine at it - devmo & mozillian are both using an obsolete API that's not implemented)
04:55:38 <clokep_work> EionRobb: Hey, does Pidgin let you stalk certain words in chats by default? I could have sworn you needed a plugin for that, but...
04:56:07 <clokep_work> Mook: "native one for desktop" Did they finnaly include it in Firefox UI?
04:56:20 <Mook> they have one on m-c, disabled by default
04:56:36 <Mook> it's... kinda crappy. doesn't do logouts as far as I can tell, for example...
04:56:41 <EionRobb> 'stalk' is an interesting term for that
04:56:43 <clokep_work> Doh, I must have missed that. I'll need to enable it when I get back to my computer.
04:56:58 <clokep_work> EionRobb: It's a widely used term AFAIK.
04:57:11 <Mook> "dom.identity.enabled" -> true
04:57:21 <clokep_work> (Or maybe it's a ChatZilla-ism, who knows.)
04:57:33 <clokep_work> Thanks Mook.
04:57:33 <EionRobb> clokep_work: never heard it called that before.  there's a couple of plugins that do that, including the highlight plugin in the purple plugin pack
04:58:14 <clokep_work> Excellent.
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04:58:19 <clokep_work> SOmeone was saying it was included by default...
04:59:18 <EionRobb> I think there is another one that is included by default, but it's a secondary setting of a plugin with a different name :)
04:59:35 <clokep_work> Ah, interesting.
04:59:49 <clokep_work> Thanks for the info! :)
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05:00:52 <EionRobb> ah, the nicksaid plugin.... also in the purple plugin pack :D
05:03:45 <clokep_work> Thanks.
05:04:47 <EionRobb> thanks can be provided in the form of chocolate chip cookies
05:05:38 <clokep_work> Sure, next time I see you I'll make you chocolate chip cookies.
05:06:01 <EionRobb> sweet
05:06:05 <EionRobb> want to come over this weekend?
05:06:11 <EionRobb> just pop by for a quick coffee/beer
05:06:33 <clokep_work> I'm away right now, sorry. :)
05:07:10 <EionRobb> where are you hiding at the moment?
05:07:24 <clokep_work> On the West Coast of the US. ;)
05:07:41 <EionRobb> its only a short 14 hour flight to come visit
05:07:48 <clokep_work> But anyway, I need to get up early. Goodnight!
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06:14:11 <instant-buildbot> build #610 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/610
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11:20:24 <Mic> Hi
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13:30:47 <flo> hello :)
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13:50:23 <barlas> Hey
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16:36:40 <flo> I think it will take me a while to get used to twitter tabs not having the @ character
16:36:58 <flo> possibly until we change the icon of these tabs to a twitter icon ;).
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17:04:15 <aleth> that's a good idea, changing the icon on twitter tabs :)
17:05:15 * aleth would also like server-dependent favicons for IRC tabs one day
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18:35:54 <flo> aleth: maybe even channel-specific icons ;)
18:36:06 <flo> #instantbird could have ib.com's favicon I think
18:36:23 <Mook_as> and then have people-specific icons for PMs?
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18:44:20 <flo> Mook_as: that sounds more difficult to do, except maybe with gravatar
18:44:40 <Mook_as> faces.css! :p
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20:10:13 <flo> aleth: so the change to twitter causes me to be pinged when someone says "instantbird" rather than "@instantbird"
20:14:26 <dew> how unlucky
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20:18:21 <aleth> flo: Yes. Do you think that's a bug? It seemed to make sense to me.
20:18:33 <flo> aleth: it's very obviously a bug
20:18:39 <flo> mentions on twitter start with @
20:19:33 <aleth> That's not broken.
20:20:10 <flo> but I'm now pinged by random tweets that don't mention me ;)
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20:20:53 <aleth> Only because you are probably asking to track "instantbird"?
20:21:11 <flo> aleth: my twitter account is "instantbird"
20:21:23 <flo> ah, yes, I'm tracking "instantbird" of course
20:21:28 <flo> but that makes sense, doesn't it?
20:21:36 <aleth> Yes, so why wouldn't you want to get pinged if an incoming tweet mentions "instantbird"?
20:21:59 <aleth> (as distinct from the twitter mention system which is of course unaffected)
20:22:06 <flo> if you think the username without @ should ping, then you also mean that we should track automatically the username
20:22:28 <aleth> No, that would be broken imho
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20:22:46 <aleth> I may be all wrong about this of course as I am not a big tweeter ;)
20:23:02 <flo> it's in my way so it's broken :-P
20:23:49 <aleth> But you do agree its only in your way because you happen to be tracking your own nick?
20:23:53 <flo> we ping the user and turn the tab blue because he's been mentioned. Mentions on twitter start with @. If there's no @, it's not a mention on twitter. (it can still be a keyword)
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20:24:29 <flo> aleth: it also happens to be in my way only because I'm running Instantbird rather than the twitter.com website :-P.
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20:24:52 <aleth> yeah yeah :P
20:25:24 <aleth> Guess that needs changing then.\
20:25:56 <aleth> I thought it made more sense the way it is now... but then I'm not getting pinged all the time either
20:27:09 * flo hopes he hasn't actually r+'ed the patch doing that, and just checked it in without looking :-S
20:27:25 <flo> I don't want to get half the blame for that :)
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20:31:08 * Mook_as is confused; twitter-tracking != IRC stalking?
20:31:24 <Mook_as> (as opposed to @mentions which are ~ nick highlighting)
20:31:42 <flo> Mook_as: what's confusing about it?
20:32:18 <Mook_as> if I stalk "it", "the", and other common English words, I'd expect to be... annoyed to death? :p
20:33:39 <flo> Mook_as: I'm not sure what your point is
20:34:02 <Mook_as> ... maybe I'm just confused about the topic, rather than the implications of it.
20:34:04 <flo> Mook_as: is it that we should include a "tracked keywords" advanced option for IRC account by default that would be consistent with the twitter one?
20:34:38 <Mook_as> no, I was wondering why you wouldn't be expecting to get pinged for (non-mention) tracked words on twitter
20:35:38 <Mook_as> (but if tracking here is more analogous to a channel or something from searching, not wanting to get pinged would make sense)
20:35:44 <flo> Mook_as: because that's close to 100% of the tweets in the timeline and it defeats the purpose of being pinged?
20:36:03 <flo> Mook_as: I guess it totally depends if you have a twitter account following lots of people or not
20:36:24 <flo> if you follow lots of people, you can have lots of tweets that don't include the tracked keywords
20:39:13 <Mook_as> right, it sounds like a large part of confusion derives my lack of twitter use (and not understanding the expectations of things like tracking)
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20:41:30 <flo> Mook_as: the expectations may depend widely from one user to another :
20:41:30 <flo> )
20:42:46 <Mook_as> I'd weigh the expectations of people actually using it higher ;)
20:44:25 <flo> Mook_as: I think I would also weight my own expectations a little bit higher, because if it itches, it will itch until I fix it ;).
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21:38:38 <Mook_as> hmm, in the logs, my name isn't pretty? (it's mook@as.com/InstantbirBLAHBLAH) instead...
21:39:51 <flo> if it doesn't appear like in the conversation, file a bug :)
21:40:07 <Mook_as> I don't know, I closed the conversation long ago :p
21:40:11 <flo> btw, I started reviewing wnayes' large patch.
21:40:41 <flo> for now I've reviewed the changes to chat/components/ (except the changes to logger.js that I haven't finished reviewing). I've already spent around 2 hours and a half on it.
21:40:47 <Mook_as> oh, it does do that in the conversation; boo. now I need to figure out how to change that...
21:41:04 <flo> Mook_as: the alias field in the properties of the account
21:41:13 <flo> but try setting your display name first :)
21:41:35 <Mook_as> ... that blank thing? ;)
21:41:54 <Mook_as> haha, talking to myself just says "Received an incorrect response"
21:42:15 <flo> hmm?
21:43:52 <Mook_as> https://i.minus.com/ixAIs2O9DumCV.PNG
21:44:22 <Mook_as> (that's talking to my own account over gtalk, ib 1.2 release)
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21:58:36 <flo> good night
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22:50:36 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1694 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
22:50:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1694 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Use twitter icon for twitter tabs
22:57:31 <instantbot> New Core - Twitter bug 1695 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
22:57:32 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1905 on bug 1695.
22:57:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1695 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Ping only for twitter '@' mentions
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