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00:30:59 <-- myk has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 00:48:39 <-- wesj has quit (Input/output error) 00:55:56 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 00:55:56 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 00:59:47 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 01:08:57 <-- Mook_as has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.13/20101203074205]) 01:16:36 * clokep hhas a patch in his queue that and has no idea why,,,, 01:17:26 <clokep> Bah I mean that I have no idea why I made that change. :-D 01:39:18 <-- aleth has quit (Input/output error) 02:30:49 <clokep> I don't have the actual energy to rant about IRC right now, so just fill in the gap here over the next five minutes with ranting of IRC, SASL and CAP. 02:55:09 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 03:00:33 <instant-buildbot> build #616 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/616 03:48:20 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 04:39:03 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 05:12:40 <instant-buildbot> build #694 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/694 06:10:25 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 06:12:55 <instant-buildbot> build #600 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/600 06:18:46 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 06:20:43 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 06:21:11 --> jb has joined #instantbird 06:22:30 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 06:23:07 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 06:45:25 --> jb has joined #instantbird 06:46:11 <-- jb has quit (Input/output error) 06:47:18 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 06:58:30 --> jb has joined #instantbird 07:01:42 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 07:02:02 --> jb has joined #instantbird 07:02:34 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: Mook) 07:03:43 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 07:06:52 --> jb has joined #instantbird 07:08:06 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 07:08:39 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 07:08:56 --> jb has joined #instantbird 07:18:31 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 07:18:53 --> jb has joined #instantbird 07:20:01 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 07:20:18 --> jb has joined #instantbird 07:21:47 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 07:23:51 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 07:24:06 --> barlas has joined #instantbird 07:28:46 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 07:32:16 --> jb has joined #instantbird 07:33:56 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 07:35:02 --> jb has joined #instantbird 07:35:54 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 07:37:37 --> jb has joined #instantbird 07:56:34 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 08:02:30 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 08:13:41 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 08:13:48 --> jb has joined #instantbird 08:48:29 <-- barlas has quit (Ping timeout) 08:48:42 --> barlas has joined #instantbird 09:09:58 --> FeuerFliege has joined #instantbird 09:10:19 <FeuerFliege> hi :) 09:13:49 <barlas> Hey 09:31:56 <-- sonny has quit (Ping timeout) 09:33:46 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 09:33:46 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 09:40:21 --> mikk_s has joined #instantbird 09:40:25 <-- mikk_s has quit (Quit: mikk_s) 09:53:23 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 09:53:27 --> Even has joined #instantbird 09:53:28 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 09:53:34 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 09:54:54 <aleth> Bug 1669 is strange... 09:54:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1669 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Certain IRC channels cause freeze in conversation window. 09:58:09 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 10:00:43 --> jb has joined #instantbird 10:03:23 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:03:23 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 10:05:29 --> Even has joined #instantbird 10:05:29 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 10:06:46 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 10:07:06 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 10:16:23 <-- barlas has quit (Ping timeout) 10:22:31 --> flo has joined #instantbird 10:22:31 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 10:28:08 <flo> clokep: a side effect of the recent change in the handling of noNewlines is that the outgoing messages containing new lines appear as one in the conversation 10:28:14 <flo> is this something we should fix? 10:28:51 <clokep> flo: Yes, I'm an idiot. 10:29:04 * clokep fixes it now. 10:29:46 <flo> clokep: the people I talked to this morning at my ISP's hotline are certainly more idiots than you even in your worst days ;). 10:30:09 <flo> clokep: + I think I reviewed that patch ;). 10:30:23 <flo> now I know why aleth felt the need to share the blame with someone :) 10:30:50 <clokep> flo: So I only have 10:30:51 <clokep> half the blame? :) 10:31:01 <clokep> Hmm...that showed up on two lines for me...? 10:31:32 <clokep> (Although it looks like it shouldn't, from the code.) 10:31:53 <flo> hmm (line1) 10:31:54 <flo> (line2) 10:32:18 <flo> clokep: http://i.imgur.com/BQj9M.png 10:32:40 <clokep> 6:31:57 AM - flo: hmm (line1) 10:32:41 <clokep> 6:31:58 AM - flo: (line2) 10:32:58 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 10:33:16 <flo> clokep: I know it's sent correctly (I checked in the error console) 10:33:29 <flo> clokep: the issue is that what's displayed in the conversation locally doesn't match what we send. 10:34:20 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 10:35:54 <clokep> Yes, I understand the issue. 10:36:00 <clokep> I'm seeing the little HR in between though. 10:36:02 <clokep> So it looks the same. 10:36:32 <flo> clokep: I suspect it just means you haven't updated your nighty :-P 10:36:42 <clokep> flo: Did that just land? 10:36:50 <flo> 2 days ago maybe? 10:37:07 <flo> hg says "41 hours ago" 10:37:10 <clokep> Ah, I'm on the 29th. Weird. I'm usually only a day behind. 10:37:20 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 10:37:26 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:37:26 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 10:38:49 <-- FeuerFliege has quit (Connection reset by peer) 10:39:14 <clokep> flo: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/69608 10:40:04 <clokep> Maybe it should be attached to the old bug or what I don' tknow. 10:40:15 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Au revoir) 10:40:35 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 10:40:35 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 10:40:45 <aleth> sorry I missed that :-/ 10:41:30 <flo> do we have a bug on file for displaying RTs as being from their original author? 10:41:37 <clokep> yes 10:42:39 <aleth> bug 1667 10:42:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1667 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Display RTs by showing the original tweet 10:43:23 <clokep> bug 1253 would be nice too, and fairly easy...I think. 10:43:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1253 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Don't show RTs of tweets that are already in the timeline 10:45:07 * clokep is really confused by https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=1876 10:45:40 <clokep> I need to try to reproduce that I guess. 10:45:41 <flo> clokep: we should still show the new RTs, shouldn't we? twitter.com shows a RT count I think 10:46:44 <clokep> flo: Right they have a list of people too who have retweeted it, I think. 10:47:05 <flo> yeah, we probably need that before hiding the new RTs 10:47:44 <aleth> Displaying the tweet from the original author also has a UI problem (where to show the RT info) 10:50:14 <clokep> bug 1669 almost sounds like that Thunderbird #ubuntu bug... 10:50:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1669 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Certain IRC channels cause freeze in conversation window. 10:50:37 <aleth> What #ubuntu bug? 10:52:21 <clokep> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786944 10:52:25 <aleth> clokep: The blank tab title on the screenshot also confuses me. 10:52:42 <clokep> The binding is breaking somehow. 10:52:49 <clokep> I expect there are errors further up that he didn't show. 10:52:58 <aleth> Just as with the error messages, I am confused as to how interaction with a particular server can cause the UI to break like that 10:53:07 <clokep> Want to try to reproduce? ;) 10:53:20 <aleth> I tried once with no luck, but maybe not long enough 10:53:27 --> barlas has joined #instantbird 10:53:56 <-- meh has quit (Quit: I don't want to live on this planet anymore.) 10:53:58 <clokep> Maybe I'll log in at work and just sit there in it. 10:54:45 <aleth> Hmm, we've seen this.tab is undefined unreproducible bugs on IB as well. 10:54:59 <aleth> There are some bugs filed 10:56:04 <aleth> But this TB one sounds more reproducible, at least for the reporter... 10:59:06 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 10:59:49 <barlas> Is there anyway to read whole topic without moving my hand from the keyboard? 10:59:51 <barlas> in IRC, I mean 11:00:04 <flo> barlas: yeah, scroll up :) 11:00:06 <aleth> barlas: Press "Home"? 11:00:16 <aleth> (maybe a couple of times) 11:00:39 <barlas> aleth: I tried that, forgot to press 'Tab' a few times first :) 11:01:19 <barlas> At least now my 'Home' key might see some use, it usually feels very unloved. :P 11:01:23 <aleth> From the empty input box, Home or Ctrl-Home works. Otherwise Alt-PgUp... 11:01:38 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 11:01:46 <barlas> Ah, Ctrl-Home, that is what I was asking for! 11:01:50 <barlas> Thanks 11:06:34 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested feedback from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1875 on bug 1683. 11:06:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1683 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Restore participants' active status if still appropriate after a reconnect 11:14:24 * aleth discovers the FF command line 11:16:13 <aleth> Can't figure out how the debugger works though. 11:31:39 <-- flo has quit (Input/output error) 11:31:42 --> flo has joined #instantbird 11:31:42 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 11:49:19 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:49:19 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 11:52:31 <-- barlas has quit (Ping timeout) 12:00:04 --> barlas has joined #instantbird 12:08:53 <flo> for bug 1669 the only steps to reproduce we have is "connect to irc.rizon.net#writescribbles", right? 12:08:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1669 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Certain IRC channels cause freeze in conversation window. 12:11:37 <aleth> yes 12:12:00 <aleth> quite possibly there is some kind of race condition involved somewhere 12:15:01 --> mali has joined #instantbird 12:43:40 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 12:43:41 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 12:47:28 <Mic> Hi 12:53:14 <barlas> Hi Mic 12:57:17 --> mikk_s has joined #instantbird 12:57:32 <-- mikk_s has quit (Quit: mikk_s) 13:09:34 <-- barlas has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:19:07 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 13:28:37 <-- Kaishi has quit (Quit: Kaishi) 13:28:42 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 13:37:20 <Mic> aleth: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/yesterday/#m304 -> no, not really. 13:37:23 <-- Kaishi has quit (Ping timeout) 13:40:12 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 13:40:30 --> jb has joined #instantbird 13:40:56 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 13:41:13 <aleth> Mic: Well, that should make mconley happy ;) 13:41:25 --> jb has joined #instantbird 13:41:57 <mconley> Mic: oh, hey 13:42:21 <Mic> Hi mconley, I'm currently catching up with the logs... 13:43:54 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 13:44:05 --> jb has joined #instantbird 13:46:02 <mconley> Mic: I'd love your input, once you do. :) 13:46:15 <Mic> aleth, mconley: we don't have to open the log files to get the date by the way. It's read from the filename. 13:46:46 <aleth> Mic: not the end date ;) 13:46:49 <Mic> That lets us discard all the log files that can't possibly hold the period of time that we're looking for. 13:46:50 <mconley> Mic: that gets us the starting day, not the ending 13:47:07 <mconley> Mic: the conversation can go over a day boundary 13:47:16 <mconley> *unless*, we only care about when logs begin 13:47:23 <mconley> that's something I'm still figuring out 13:47:24 <Mic> Sure and when you've got a sorted list with a next log item (and a new date) 13:48:14 <Mic> then you can tell what dates can possibly lie in the earlier one. 13:48:43 <mconley> but we can't be certain if they lie in there 13:48:50 <mconley> hm 13:48:58 * mconley thinks 13:49:02 <Mic> Yes, that's the file that you need to open to have a look. 13:50:25 <aleth> Apparently TB already stores the end dates anyway, so it's not so much of an issue. 13:50:33 <mconley> well, kinda 13:50:40 <mconley> the gloda indexer caches that information 13:50:53 <mconley> tapping into that would be a little bit of a hack 13:53:18 <Mic> Does TB have a way to tell in which log file we have to look for a message at a given date and time then? 13:53:49 <aleth> It would be nicer to do it in a way that works for IB too, without gloda 13:56:50 <mconley> Mic: we index the messages with Gloda, and if we're searching and we get a hit, we're given the names of the log files to display. 13:57:09 <-- sonny has quit (Ping timeout) 13:59:30 <Mic> In which folder in comm-central do I have to look for the code of the chat tab? 13:59:55 <mconley> Mic: mail/components/im/ 14:00:01 <Mic> Thanks! 14:00:08 <mconley> np 14:19:00 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 14:23:02 <Mic> mconley, aleth: I'm sure what's the best thing to do here. 14:23:27 <mconley> Mic: you're sure? Or not sure? 14:23:31 <Mic> *not 14:23:58 <Mic> Log files and sessions are just not made for this :S 14:24:00 <mconley> Mic: cool. So, I've filed bug 787149 on b.m.o to track this effort 14:24:18 <mconley> Mic: if you feel like following along, and keeping me out of trouble. :) 14:24:24 <Mic> I'm already CC'ed to it 14:24:30 <mconley> Mic: ah, excellent 14:26:17 <Mic> I was thinking about having a method that returns messages from a given period of time, which is fine for some things (like getting messages from beginning of today (or 24h as clokep perfers), yesterday, ... 14:27:36 <Mic> The thing is that you'd need to look at all log files and that would give indeed a terrible performance most likely (I now understand what aleth wanted to say) 14:34:33 <Mic> brb 14:34:37 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 14:38:32 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 14:38:32 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 14:38:42 <-- rosonline has quit (Ping timeout) 14:39:17 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 14:42:41 <-- rosonline has quit (Ping timeout) 14:44:26 <mconley> flo: can you remind me again why it's hard / a bad idea to write conversations to daily logs as opposed to individual log files? Assume that we don't need to migrate - that we can handle the current, fragmented approach. 14:46:51 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 14:49:14 <aleth> mconley: Just to note that with the current situation, a log could easily stretch over more than two days 14:49:55 <mconley> aleth: correct 14:50:25 <mconley> suppose we also know the date/time of the last message in some log 14:52:14 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Au revoir) 14:52:19 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 14:52:19 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 14:53:05 * aleth tests something 14:53:06 <-- rosonline has quit (Client exited) 14:54:14 <aleth> mconley: I think it's more tricky even than that: Unless I'm mistaken (flo?) currently it's quite possible to open a conversation, get disconnected, stay disconnected for a day or two, then reconnect, and have the whole thing be in a single log file. 14:55:01 <mconley> hm 14:55:59 <aleth> Not sure how important such cases would be though... 15:00:30 <flo> mconley: the *real* reason why I'm reluctant to have one log per day is that tools like scandisk on Windows tend to do bad thing (ie destroy) files that were open for writing at the time of a system unclean shutdown. 15:01:17 <flo> mconley: if you had a chat session during the morning, then turned off the computer, then in the afternoon started chatting again and had a power outage, it's sad that it could affect the saved log of a conversation that happened before and was finished from the user's point of view 15:02:35 <mconley> flo: how do other chat clients with logging get around this? 15:02:59 <mconley> flo: LimeChat, for example, does daily logs per channel. I wonder what their approach is... 15:03:06 <flo> mconley: I'm not exactly sure of if you want one log per day because you don't want to have to open several files together to display a day, or if it's just to be able to easily figure out which file(s) are interesting for a given day 15:03:22 <Mic> mconley: you're real problem is to know which days had logs, isn't it? 15:03:25 <Mic> *your 15:03:46 <flo> mconley: most chat clients handle logging poorly or very poorly. I've never found any client whose logging system didn't seriously suck 15:04:13 <flo> mconley: maybe their approach is "don't run on Windows"? :) 15:04:20 <mconley> ha, maybe. ;) 15:04:37 <mconley> Mic: I think there are a few layers of problems here. It's tangly. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. :/ 15:04:40 <flo> mconley: I would like if we closed the log file each time the date change, btw. 15:04:49 <Mic> flo++ 15:04:53 <Mic> That's bug 476 iirc 15:04:55 <flo> mconley: so you could easily find all the logs for a given date, just by looking at the file names 15:04:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=476 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Split logs on day changes (=> logs shouldn't contain messages of more than one day) 15:05:37 <Mic> d'oh. /me just understood why clokep called him "Micbot" not long ago :D 15:05:50 <flo> Mic: <3 15:06:00 <aleth> :) 15:06:03 <flo> Mic: botsnack! 15:06:17 <mconley> flo: hm...if we did that, I wonder what we'd need to do in order to satisfy bwinton's request - bug 787149 comment 3 15:06:43 <aleth> There's also the issue of being able to open logs without having to open a conversation to the same person/channel again 15:08:02 <aleth> Not related other than that it might also be helpful to have a tree of existing logs for that 15:08:10 * aleth whispers something about lets not mention timezones 15:08:15 <flo> mconley: make the log of conversations that happened at the time of the date change appear in both days? 15:08:28 <flo> mconley: Wouldn't it be confusing? 15:08:55 <flo> aleth: unrelated ;) 15:09:10 <flo> aleth: the tree is of similar logs (log files in the same folder) 15:09:15 <Mic> imo there should be a single log conversation and clicking an item in the list would only scroll to the correct position in the conversation. 15:09:39 <flo> Mic: sure 15:09:59 <flo> Mic: I would volunteer Mook to implement that 15:10:02 <mconley> flo: apparently, it's the desired behaviour. 15:10:06 <flo> Mic: or maybe aleth :). 15:10:16 <flo> Both are great to find solution to crazily-complicated-looking projects 15:10:33 <flo> mconley: bwinton can easily be convinced though ;) 15:10:58 <Mic> With aleth you'd only have to review every second attachment? :P 15:11:21 <flo> mconley: but yeah, what aleth said: the really desired behavior is to display things as only one "infinite" conversation, and add messages at the top and bottom when the user scrolls. Clicking in the tree would then just change the position of the scrollbar in the conversation 15:11:47 <flo> Mic: sure! 15:11:48 <mconley> ah, yes, that'd be nice 15:12:07 <flo> Mic: although in a recent bug it was the fifth ;) 15:12:19 <flo> mconley: nice (for the UX), but super difficult to implement. 15:12:31 <aleth> flo: hey, I kept adding features ;) 15:12:37 <Mic> The bad thing about this is that I've never seen a working infinitely scrolling list that actually worked well :( 15:12:49 <flo> mconley: even just adding a message at the top rather than at the bottom of a conversation is quite difficult. 15:13:06 <Mic> It either lagged when scrolling or the scrollbar was behaving strangely or something else :( 15:13:14 <aleth> Mic: The problem is that the position of the scrollbar marker is a bit meaningless 15:13:29 <mconley> perhaps a scrollbar isn't the right affordance in that case 15:13:31 <flo> mconley: although after aleth's crazy work on displaying an unread ruler for new messages, and correctly removing it (including merging adjacent bubbles) when messages are read; anything seems possible :) 15:13:43 <-- mali has quit (Ping timeout) 15:14:06 * mconley rubs temples 15:18:59 <aleth> Adding messages correctly at the top with rejoining bubbles would be hard. 15:20:09 <flo> aleth: yes! 15:21:25 <dewmugg> :D 15:23:57 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Au revoir) 15:36:32 --> mali has joined #instantbird 15:43:37 --> zen_monkey has joined #instantbird 15:43:53 <-- zen_monkey has quit (Quit: Saliendo) 15:44:17 * flo wonders what clokep_work thinks about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787433 15:47:31 <Mic> bye 15:47:35 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:47:41 <-- gerard-majax_ has quit (Ping timeout) 15:48:48 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 15:55:53 <-- mmkmou has quit (Client exited) 15:57:36 <mconley> flo: ping 15:57:50 <flo> mconley: pong :) 15:58:32 <mconley> flo: hey - so I've been fiddling with aleth's idea, if having an "infinite" conversation 15:58:56 <mconley> flo: here are some sketches - ideas are still in flux, but what do you think of this: http://i.imgur.com/aQZjX.png 15:59:35 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 15:59:37 <dew> looks like you're getting trillian's activity history :P 16:00:21 <mconley> :) 16:01:21 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 16:05:17 <flo> what's the command to use an hg repository with git? 16:07:15 <flo> mconley: nice. Would be even nicer without having to show a spinner, but I don't know how long it will take to open the log file, etc... 16:07:56 <mconley> flo: in practice, the spinner might only be there for a split second. Yeah, it might depend. 16:10:51 <mconley> flo: anyhow, I don't want to indulge in scope creep. Just pondering about it. :) 16:11:53 <flo> mconley: yeah, that would be really nice, but I it could take you a long time 16:13:11 <mconley> flo: so you don't think that logs should exist across their date boundaries, correct? What do you think *should* happen? 16:13:20 <mconley> I'm still trying to nail down a spec here 16:18:45 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 16:18:58 <mconley> also, do we know if nsIFile.directoryEntries returns in a reliable order? 16:27:04 <flo> I don't think we can rely on it 16:27:21 <flo> it's probably the order the files have been written, not the order sorted by name 16:36:14 <-- mali has quit (Ping timeout) 16:46:32 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 16:47:10 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 16:47:10 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 16:48:03 <aleth> I'll take a look at the infinite scroll thing once Mic lands his patch. 16:48:22 <clokep_work> flo: Are you trying to pull a git repository using git or what? 16:48:24 <aleth> Just to see what's feasible... 16:49:24 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 16:50:18 --> mali has joined #instantbird 16:50:25 <flo> clokep_work: I'm mentoring an intern here so that he fixes his bug in JS-XMPP 16:50:45 <aleth> his? 16:50:59 <flo> aleth: his pet bug ;) 16:51:03 <aleth> ah :) 16:51:09 <flo> being able to set one's priority for XMPP 16:51:43 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 16:51:50 <aleth> focus is Weird. 16:52:35 <clokep_work> flo: I was just about to r- that patch. ;) 16:52:36 --> myk has joined #instantbird 16:52:45 <flo> clokep_work: ah? 16:52:46 <flo> why? 16:52:50 <-- mali has quit (Ping timeout) 16:54:50 <flo> clokep_work: I'll probably ask you to r? after I r+ it (once I'll be satisfied), because I more or less suggested how the code could be written ;) 16:57:44 <clokep_work> flo: Is a priority of 0 "high" or "low" priority? 16:57:51 <clokep_work> (And what are the expected values?) 16:57:56 <clokep_work> I haven't read the spec, mind you. ;) 16:59:27 <clokep_work> flo: Also I'm pretty sure that's the bug I had asked you about a few days ago. :-D 16:59:48 <-- myk has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:00:47 <flo> clokep_work: 0 is the value that servers use if the priority has been omitted, it's neutral 17:01:01 <flo> negative values mean you don't want to receive a message 17:01:20 <flo> the higher the value is, the more you want to receive messages on that resource instead of other resources 17:01:44 <flo> clokep_work: "flo: Also I'm pretty sure that's the bug I had asked you about a few days ago. :-D" what did you ask about it? 17:02:32 <clokep_work> flo: I had asked if setting myself to unavailable will ensure messages go to Instantbird. 17:03:13 <flo> clokep_work: http://xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc3921.html#rfc.section.2.2.2.3 for the spec 17:04:37 <clokep_work> Thanks. It's on my list of things to read over. ;) 17:04:48 <flo> I'll ask him to check that the value is between -128 and +127 for the next version 17:05:04 <flo> clokep_work: the part of the spec I linked to is only 4 lines ;) 17:05:39 <aleth> There's actually not that many instant messaging bugs on BMO! 17:05:50 * aleth not sure whether to be surprised or not 17:05:53 <-- sonny has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:05:57 <clokep_work> flo: Yes, I was just thinking it'd be nice if we could make the UI abide by that too. :) 17:06:34 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 17:07:10 <clokep_work> aleth: I might want to discuss some IRC issues I'm having at some point...I only have a super hacky way to get around it right now. :( 17:08:01 <aleth> :-/ Sure... later this evening maybe? 17:09:08 --> myk has joined #instantbird 17:09:30 <aleth> d'oh... if you say "BIO bug xxx" on BMO it ends up linked to the BMO bug of course :( 17:10:48 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes, it does. ;) 17:11:37 <clokep_work> aleth: And maybe. It's pretty much I need a way to pause the connection registration until I get a CAP LS response, but I'd really rather not use a timer... 17:12:07 <aleth> ah, it's not focus that is weird, it's focus+XBL, which is wors. 17:12:30 <flo> clokep_work: are we wontfixing that IRC version request? ;) 17:12:34 <aleth> clokep_work: ouch, that sounds tricky... I think I kind of remember 17:12:52 <aleth> That SASL bug, right? 17:12:55 <clokep_work> flo: I don't know. I think his reasoning is (kind of) valid. 17:12:56 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes. 17:13:12 <clokep_work> flo: Was the thought behind it just information leak? 17:13:20 <clokep_work> We show the version anyway on quit messages. :-/ 17:13:55 <flo> clokep_work: do we have an easy way to know if a pref has an user value? 17:14:29 <flo> clokep_work: the reason why we have get priority() 0, in facebook/gtalk is that it failed if there wasn't a default value set by the priority: option 17:14:57 <aleth> flo: Services.prefs.prefHasUserValue() 17:15:10 <flo> aleth: it's an account-specific pref 17:15:19 <flo> aleth: so I would need something from jsProtoHelper 17:15:22 <aleth> ah, that kind of pref. 17:15:31 <clokep_work> flo: I vaguely recall this giving us annoyance somewhere else too. 17:15:37 <clokep_work> Well it give Mook annoyance. 17:15:45 <-- myk has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:16:08 --> myk has joined #instantbird 17:16:40 * clokep_work is looking... 17:18:24 <flo> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/search?string=prefs.prefHasUser 17:18:28 <clokep_work> flo: That sounds like something we should fix...but I guess we purposefully made it so inheriting from a protocol allows you to specify different options. 17:18:53 <clokep_work> Ah, this.prefs. 17:19:21 <clokep_work> I think we discussed adding a function to jsPRotoHelper which just forwards to that. 17:20:50 <clokep_work> flo: Maybe your intern should come on IRC also? Or are you like physically sitting next to them. :) 17:21:09 <clokep_work> flo: Btw I kind of agree that we should send the version as part of the response, which is why I haven't WONTFIXed it yet. 17:21:10 <flo> sitting next to him 17:21:14 <flo> and it's not my intern 17:21:24 <flo> I think he's intern for http://imaginationforpeople.org/ :) 17:21:28 <aleth> Oh, you are repurposing other peoples' interns? :D 17:21:56 <clokep_work> Apparently convincing people to use Instantbird/Thunderbird chat too. ;) 17:22:40 <flo> clokep_work: do we have an easy way to set the min and max of an account pref in the UI? 17:22:46 * flo is confused about jsProtoHelper's code 17:23:12 <flo> aleth: it's Friday at 7pm so I think we aren't supposed to still be in the office, interns can work on whatever project they like ;) 17:23:35 <flo> aleth: + the intern's manager made everybody in his team switch to Instantbird already :-) 17:23:47 <aleth> great :) 17:24:02 <clokep_work> flo: No, we should add a minValue and maxValue which are only usable for Int fields. 17:24:04 <aleth> And now fixing IB bugs boosts team productivity ;) 17:24:46 <flo> clokep_work: can I decide it's out of the scope of that bug? 17:26:21 <clokep_work> flo: I think we should check it in the XMPP code, the UI changes are out of scope. 17:26:27 <clokep_work> But it'd be nice to file a bug about it. :) 17:26:31 <flo> aleth: I think we were both being very unproductive, so we started scratching an itch 17:26:33 <clokep_work> (Be useful for ports too.) 17:26:44 <flo> my itch was seeing him use a twitter client + limechat for IRC + adium 17:26:50 <flo> his was not being able to set the priority 17:32:57 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 17:33:04 --> Kyriog has joined #instantbird 17:33:17 <Kyriog> Hello world 17:33:43 <clokep_work> Hello. 17:33:48 <flo> clokep_work: "flo: Maybe your intern should come on IRC also?" done ;) 17:37:13 <clokep_work> Right. :P 17:37:56 <clokep_work> Kyriog: I'm glad you're fixing that, I was just querying fl o about that the other day! 17:38:03 <clokep_work> (Without knowing exactly what I wanted. :)) 17:47:09 --> jb has joined #instantbird 17:49:27 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:49:48 <-- Kyriog has quit (Quit: Kyriog) 17:50:42 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 17:55:22 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 17:55:38 <-- sonny has quit (Ping timeout) 18:03:35 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 18:20:39 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0/20120824154833]) 18:22:31 --> Kyriog has joined #instantbird 18:27:57 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 18:45:17 --> myk1 has joined #instantbird 18:45:42 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout) 18:54:18 * myk1 is now known as myk 18:56:38 <clokep_work> So what do people think about version numbers in the IRC VERSION response? 18:56:45 <clokep_work> Currently it just says Instantbird or Thunderbird. 18:57:36 <aleth> Isn't that enough? 18:57:52 <clokep_work> Someone requested on BMO that it gives the version too. 18:58:07 <aleth> I thought you said that was not wanted for security reasons 18:58:08 <clokep_work> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787433 18:58:20 <clokep_work> I did not say that, flo said that. ;) 18:59:06 <clokep_work> The question is whether it really is a security concern or not AND whether the benefit of being able to tell versions apart outweighs possibly having all versions banned vs. a single version banned. 19:00:42 <Mook_as> from his comments, it seems reasonable to think it's not a security concern - the expoliters should have no issues just trying every exploit they have for the app regardless of version. 19:01:10 <clokep_work> Mook_as: I agree. 19:01:21 <clokep_work> Besides we have no known security vulnerabilities. ;) 19:01:22 <aleth> Realistically, I don't think it's much of a risk either 19:01:54 <clokep_work> I agree. 19:02:09 * clokep_work isn't sure what to think. 19:02:21 <clokep_work> FWIW I originally had it reporting the version number, I think. 19:08:57 <-- igorko has quit (Client exited) 19:10:04 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 19:19:40 <-- Kyriog has quit (Quit: Kyriog) 19:24:10 <-- ivan has quit (Ping timeout) 19:35:40 --> flo has joined #instantbird 19:35:40 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 19:43:57 <-- flo has quit (Ping timeout) 20:06:50 --> ivan has joined #instantbird 20:28:35 --> flo has joined #instantbird 20:28:35 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 20:33:42 * flo is using the phone to connect again :-( 20:37:08 <aleth> :( 20:37:10 <aleth> Did you change the modem? 20:37:28 <aleth> A bad line would be more trouble... 20:41:50 <flo> no, I didn't change the modem. 20:42:14 <flo> the line will only accept the one with the correct serial number 20:42:22 <dew> sorry flo 20:42:42 <dew> also I'd be for sending the version number in the ctcp version string 20:42:55 <aleth> Oh, one of those... I had that problem once as well, where the modem actually belonged to the cable company 20:43:16 <flo> aleth: in France all modems belong to the ISPs ;) 20:44:08 <dew> that's bull 20:44:21 <dew> we can buy our own here :) 20:46:38 <flo> the tech guy from the ISP I managed to have on the phone (after more than an hour of negotiations!) promised that it would be fixed within at most 13 days. 20:47:34 <dew> -_- 20:47:40 <flo> the guy I had before was just stupid 20:48:11 <flo> and the guys in the store could only call the hotline with me, they were completely powerless 20:48:13 <dew> listen buddy I write Instantbird. Fix my connection or suffer the wrath of mozilla 20:48:22 <aleth> Yeah, that was my experience too, you have to get through to the right person... 20:48:34 <aleth> If there is a fault hotline that might help. 20:48:56 <flo> there is 20:48:59 <aleth> Fingers crossed it won't be 13 days :| 20:49:12 <flo> the problem is, the auto-detect the customer based on the number of the calling phone 20:49:23 <flo> and their hotline is somehow mis-configured 20:49:30 <clokep_work> Heads up that I'll be on travel starting the end of next week, so reviews might be limited. 20:50:23 <flo> when calling from my cell phone, after 2 minutes of blahblah press 1 blahblah press 2, just when I should finally have a real human on the line, it tells me "The number you have dialed is not assigned, the call can succeed." and hangs up. 20:50:49 <flo> so instead of calling from my cell phone, I went to the store, and called the same number from the store's phone 20:51:18 <aleth> what a time sink :( 20:51:18 <flo> where the hotline guy didn't want to do anything until I would accept to go home and call him again (aaaarg! I would have strangled him). 20:51:47 <flo> s/can succeed/cannot succeed/ (but I'm sure you guessed that :) 20:52:18 <aleth> crazy... 20:52:37 <Mook_as> so you need to call from a voip box that can fake caller id, right? :p 20:53:48 <flo> so after that, and calling each of the hotline numbers from my cell phone again in front of the guys working at the store with the loud speaker (because they believed me, but not really when I said it was hanging up on me), they called themselves and negotiated that I could talk to someone who can actually do something even though I wasn't next to my modem. 20:54:25 <flo> the whole thing (just the part at the store this morning) took an hour and a half, just to open a ticket saying my internet access doesn't work any more 20:54:36 <flo> I think it's never taken me that long to file a bug! 20:54:58 <flo> Mook_as: the modem that doesn't work is actually the voip box ;) 20:55:13 <Mook_as> .... hahahaha 20:55:43 <flo> I lost another hour just before that with more fun related to the bike stations :) 20:55:51 <flo> well, ":)" now, but I wasn't pleased 20:55:56 <aleth> what a day... 20:56:16 <flo> aleth: yeah :) 20:59:02 <flo> there's the "Braderie de Lille" (largest flea market in Europe, with 2 millions people coming each year) this week-end, and so to avoid bikes being damaged by the crowed, they removed all the bikes and locked and turned off all the stations that are located downtown. 20:59:59 <flo> but they of course didn't communicate this at all. Neither before my email/SMS, nor today on the screen of the station next to where I live, where I rented a bike this morning. 21:00:43 <aleth> they probably told the local newspaper or something ;) 21:00:52 <flo> once I arrived at the ISP store with the bike, I couldn't dock it anywhere, and had to go back home (and dock the bike almost where I took it), and then walk to do the commute... 21:01:52 <flo> yeah, maybe in tomorrow's edition of a local newspaper :) 21:03:18 <flo> but if they knew they were turning the service down, they could have turned off all stations and stopped me from taking one... (like, you know, put them all in the state of that station I had an issue with yesterday...) 21:03:20 <flo> anyway 21:03:28 * flo has finished ranting for the evening :) 21:04:05 <aleth> it's really helpful to just break the endpoints :P 21:04:33 <aleth> though I guess maybe there are people who circumnavigate paris by bike 21:05:09 * flo doesn't live in Paris 21:05:17 <aleth> ah 21:05:24 <aleth> sorry;) 21:05:50 <aleth> not sure why I thought that... 21:06:23 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 21:06:34 <flo> because Paris advertised their bikes a lot? :) 21:07:01 <aleth> could be! 21:10:31 <clokep_work> Or because we don't know other cities in France? ;) 21:19:10 <aleth> every strange UI behaviour ever turns out to be due to some XBL change :-S 21:20:40 <flo> aleth: Is that a new rule for XUL developers? :) 21:20:55 <aleth> I think it must be some Law of Gecko 21:26:09 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 1.1.19/2010030105]) 21:26:19 <flo> aleth: what's your new bug where XBL is being annoying? :) 21:26:42 <aleth> I'm fixing the contact list keyboard accessibility bug 21:27:50 <aleth> Before ever changing the status message, the status type popup works correctly. After, opening it somehow shifts focus to the user icon. 21:48:00 <-- wnayes has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 22:08:00 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 22:09:29 --> jb has joined #instantbird 22:22:53 <-- myk has quit (Connection reset by peer) 22:22:54 --> myk has joined #instantbird 22:37:52 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 22:42:21 <aleth> :( 22:43:33 <flo> aleth: ? 22:43:36 <aleth> sometimes, it's just too fiddly... 22:47:04 <aleth> I'm just seeing the most bizarre interactions 22:47:37 <aleth> Now opening the status popup scrolls the buddylist. Why?? 22:49:25 <flo> O_o 22:49:29 <flo> Good luck 22:49:33 <flo> and good night! :) 22:50:00 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 23:10:43 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Au revoir) 23:10:45 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 23:10:45 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth