#instantbird log on 08 28 2012

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00:16:45 <instant-buildbot> build #311 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/311
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00:32:23 * flo things aleth should really do some efforts to have correct paths in his patches
00:32:27 <flo> *thinks
00:35:52 <clokep> It's really frustrating when you're in a crash loop in firefox...
00:37:34 * flo won't even bother downloading https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=1847&action=diff
00:43:19 <clokep> flo: We have --disable-bonjour in case you don't have avahi, pretty much.
00:43:42 <flo> ah, ok :)
00:43:53 <flo> is anybody feeling like trying to reproduce bug 1664?
00:43:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1664 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Google Talk will not connect
00:44:30 * clokep feels like trying to produce dinner.
00:45:01 * flo feels like falling asleep ;)
00:46:23 <flo> apparently the Tb try server doesn't have avahi
00:47:13 <clokep> That doesn't fully surprise me. :)
00:48:51 * Mook_as imagines flo pushing a avahi install via try server
00:49:06 <flo> Mook_as is crazy :-P
00:49:08 <clokep> Mook_as: Run aptitude as part of make?
00:49:22 <flo> clokep: aptitude on CentOS? :-S
00:49:35 <clokep> flo: Was I supposed to know they run CentOS?
00:49:45 <Mook_as> clokep: no, no privileges. just push avahi installed with appropriate --prefix (or... build it from client.py)
00:50:02 <Mook_as> also: I thought crazy was my default state by now.
00:50:16 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/0ed1a0d680a4 - aleth - Bug 1654 - accessibility: Make it clear that topic control in conversation info toolbar is actionable, r=fqueze.
00:50:17 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/bcdc25b745ad - aleth - Bug 1672 - Truncated RTs don't always show the full original tweet, r=clokep.
00:50:18 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/7884bf7cae67 - Mook - Bug 1668 - Enhance imXPCOMUtils debug logging to have module-specific prefs, r=fqueze.
00:50:19 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/17567b2219c1 - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1628 - Unhandled IRC message: 330 RPL_WHOISACCOUNT, r=aleth.
00:50:20 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/44eb8c019f3c - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1657 - Unhandled IRC message 475 ERR_BADCHANNELKEY, r=aleth.
00:50:21 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/f244d3dfba5b - aleth - Bug 1671 - Include twitter users' names in tooltips, r=clokep.
00:50:22 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/29d2a239ba24 - aleth - Bug 1676 - Fix some 'function does not always return a value' warnings that became visible with Mozilla 14, r=fqueze.
00:50:23 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/c09c70153aac - aleth - Bug 1632 - Mark participants as inactive after XXX time, r=clokep.
00:50:29 <clokep> Yay, bugs to close....
00:50:58 <flo> not sure if bug 1676 should be closed or not
00:51:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1676 tri, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, 'function does not always return a value' warnings from moz14
00:51:36 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1632 to FIXED.
00:51:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1632 enh, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Mark participants as inactive after XXX time
00:52:26 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1671 to FIXED.
00:52:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1671 min, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Include twitter users' names in tooltips
00:53:06 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1657 to FIXED.
00:53:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1657 nor, --, 1.3, clokep, RESO FIXED, Unhandled IRC message 475 ERR_BADCHANNELKEY
00:53:56 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1628 to FIXED.
00:54:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1628 min, --, 1.3, clokep, RESO FIXED, Unhandled IRC message: 330 RPL_WHOISACCOUNT
00:54:58 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1668 to FIXED.
00:55:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1668 nor, --, 1.3, mook.moz+bugs.instantbird, RESO FIXED, Enhance imXPCOMUtils debug logging to have module-specific prefs
00:55:48 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1672 to FIXED.
00:55:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1672 nor, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Truncated RTs don't always show the full original tweet
00:56:29 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1654 to FIXED.
00:56:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1654 nor, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, accessibility: Make it clear that topic control in conversation info toolbar is actionable
01:01:23 <flo> I'll try to reproduce that gtalk bug
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01:06:28 <clokep> aleth: Did gerv ever give you editbugs?
01:13:49 <flo> Good night
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01:20:18 <instant-buildbot> build #312 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/312
01:25:13 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 1809 on bug 1650.
01:25:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1650 min, --, ---, wnayes, ASSI, The value of list type options is not always preserved
01:39:06 <instant-buildbot> build #280 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/280
01:47:09 <instantbot> jamie@nvaccess.org cleared the Resolution 'FIXED' from bug 1637.
01:47:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1637 nor, --, 1.3, florian, REOP, accessibility: Lists in main window are unlabelled
02:03:51 <instantbot> jamie@nvaccess.org set the Resolution field on bug 1637 to FIXED.
02:03:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1637 nor, --, 1.3, florian, RESO FIXED, accessibility: Lists in main window are unlabelled
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02:37:17 <instant-buildbot> build #298 of win32-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/298
02:46:44 <instantbot> New Websites - hg.instantbird.org (Mercurial/hgweb) bug 1681 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
02:46:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1681 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Split experiments repository into two clean repositories
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10:10:37 <flo-retina> bah, my Tb try server build with libpurple failed on all OSes
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10:56:58 <flo-retina> I don't understand why http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/try-builds/florian@queze.net-62b4c82f098f/try-comm-central-linux64/try-comm-central-linux64-bm14-try1-build144.txt.gz failed
10:57:29 <flo-retina> ah, undefined reference to `g_warn_if_reached' and undefined reference to `g_timeout_add_seconds' :-D
11:01:05 <flo-retina> g_warn_if_reached was added in glib2.16.0 (a version even older than the one we ship). I wonder what version is installed on the linux64 mozilla slaves :)
11:01:45 <flo-retina> and g_timeout_add_seconds was added in 2.14
11:02:47 <flo-retina> it's worrying that we have some code calling g_timeout_add* though, as that's guaranteed to fail on non-Linux where we don't have a glib event loop
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11:04:16 <flo-retina> we should see what braeks if we remove http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libraries/glib/gmain.c
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11:33:57 <flo-retina> for Tb I guess I should just remove the jabber and qq libpurple prpls
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11:56:11 <clokep_work> :(
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11:56:26 <clokep_work> Compiling libpurple with emscripten sounds better and better. ;)
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12:17:39 <flo> My Firefox here is taking 1047MB of RAM for an MDN, 3 mxr and one etherpad tab. Time to restart it I think :)
12:18:04 <flo> I would like to know why about:memory shows "105.29 MB ── canvas-2d-pixel-bytes"
12:18:22 <flo> would be nice to know which website uses a canvas
12:20:25 <clokep_work> MDN's new wiki? :P
12:20:31 <clokep_work> Etherpad probably does somewhere.
12:20:51 <flo> Gandi's telling me that instantbird.im expires in 2 months
12:21:43 <flo> their email is quite nice, it says "if you are in an emergency situation and don't remember your credentials, don't panic, you can renew any domain with any new account." I assume the new account can only pay and the real owner of the domain stays the same, but that seems an interesting idea :)
12:22:50 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1682 filed by goofyfr@gmail.com.
12:22:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1682 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, [fr] Rephrasing one pref
12:29:42 <clokep_work> Nice. :)
12:29:45 <barlas> hosting is on Gandi?
12:29:49 * clokep_work should really buy a domain...
12:30:34 <barlas> Oh, they are also registrar
12:33:06 <flo> barlas: no, hosting is on Illiad (= online.net = free.fr = proxad.net), OVH, and Google Code.
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12:35:30 <barlas> Someone recommended me Gandi for VPS hosting
12:51:10 <flo> heh, I didn't notice http://blog.instantbird.org/2012/08/instantbird-1-2-released/comment-page-1/#comment-1869 :)
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13:08:16 <barlas> Finally finishing my project this weekend.
13:08:35 <barlas> The one that I have been hoping to finish before trying to play with instantbird
13:08:47 <flo> apparently mozilla's build infrastructure doesn't want to sign libpurple because it's too big :-D.
13:13:59 <clokep_work> Is "bloated" the word you're looking for? ;)
13:15:00 <flo> clokep_work: I was just talking about the size. Bloated is your interpretation ;). Feel free to interpret however you like :)
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13:17:25 <flo> I just pushed my libpurple changeset again to the try server (wait, no, it's still pushing; I always forgot that the connection at the office isn't as fast as at home) without jabber/qq (jabber because Tb doesn't want SRV support :-P; qq because the code sucks and doesn't really work anyway) and without mac signing
13:17:33 <flo> let's see if it will build correctly this time :)
13:19:03 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested feedback from the wind for attachment 1863 on bug 1626.
13:19:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1626 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Some screen readers say the word "frame" a lot when moving the selection in the contacts list
13:19:48 <aleth> uh, I can't request feedback from people who don't have editbugs?
13:20:04 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cancelled feedback? for attachment 1863 on bug 1626.
13:20:36 <aleth> I suppose it makes sense.
13:20:45 <clokep_work> aleth: You want James to have editbugs?
13:20:47 <clokep_work> That's easy enough.
13:20:51 <clokep_work> I was going to do it anyway...
13:21:41 <aleth> It would clarify things, since he's the only one qualified to test these bugs really ;)
13:21:48 <clokep_work> aleth: Done.
13:21:58 <flo> it's nice to have someone around who not only reports accessibility issues in understandable ways, but also verifies the fixes in nightlies :)
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13:22:15 <aleth> clokep_work: Thanks!
13:22:17 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested feedback from jamie@nvaccess.or g for attachment 1863 on bug 1626.
13:22:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1626 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Some screen readers say the word "frame" a lot when moving the selection in the contacts list
13:22:26 <flo> aleth: can you also clarify if it's a real patch or just a way to understand what's going on?
13:22:41 <aleth> flo: This second one would be a real patch I think.
13:22:44 <aleth> If it works.
13:23:02 <aleth> The first one was to test my understanding of what was going on.
13:23:30 <flo> aleth: if you want us to take it as a temporary workaround (that could be acceptable I guess), shouldn't we also ensure a Mozilla accessibility bug is filed, so that we have a bug number in the code comment that we can refer to later to check if the workaround can be removed? :)
13:24:09 <aleth> flo: Take a look, it's a hack, but a mild one of the sort we do elsewhere too.
13:24:24 <aleth> But yes, of course a bug should be filed on bmo too.
13:24:30 <aleth> I just don't expect to see it fixed.
13:25:05 <clokep_work> Fix it'll never be if no bug is filed.
13:25:11 <clokep_work> s/Fix/Fixed/
13:25:24 <aleth> clokep_work: I didn't say I wouldn't file one :P
13:26:49 <flo> aleth: my concern is that it's a hack, but the comment above it doesn't explain an easy way to reproduce the issue that the hack works around; because we don't have any way to do that and you have to ask someone else to test it for you
13:27:16 <aleth> flo: Yes, that's why I had to refer to the bug number in the comment :(
13:28:39 <flo> referring to the bug number in hack comments is generally a good idea; if only so that we can put a comment in the bug when reverting the hack later :).
13:29:29 <aleth> If we were to take this patch, I'd have it refer to the BMO bug number.
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13:30:37 <aleth> It doesn't seem like an expensive hack considering the alternative is to workaround in all the various screen readers...
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13:43:09 * flo-retina wonders if bug 1579 is wontfix
13:43:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1579 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Ship libpurple as an add-on / allow it to be disabled in configure
13:43:58 <flo-retina> I think a way better solution would be to put the whole purple/ folder in a separate repository, and have the folder layout for it match what's done for venkman and DOM i, and checkout that repository from client.py
13:44:42 <flo-retina> in our current situation having 2 separates code repositories for the same application would be painful, so I think that approach would be worth it only if we get the greenlight for integrating instantbird/ in comm-central.
13:45:00 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1865 on bug 1666.
13:45:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1666 enh, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Set twitter topic to the user's self-description
13:48:21 <clokep_work> flo-retina: That does sound more likely to work...
13:49:07 <flo-retina> note that the attached patch did work ;)
14:00:39 <clokep_work> :)
14:00:41 <clokep_work> Good to know. ;)
14:01:32 <flo> my main concern is it would require more maintenance to keep it working than we are happy to provide.
14:02:02 <flo> we don't seem to have that many people here who are familiar with the build system and the quirks of each of the platforms ;).
14:02:29 <aleth> It does sound like it would add a lot to your workload :-/
14:03:05 * clokep_work started working on SIPE again yesterday.
14:03:15 * clokep_work and realized he doesn't really know the build system at all. ;)
14:03:41 <flo> aleth: I think it would delay mozilla updates, as they would be just more painful
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14:36:18 <aleth> Looks like a nice bump from 1.2 :)
14:36:21 <aleth> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/stats/
14:36:53 <flo-retina> it's in the opposite direction compared to 1.1
14:37:01 <flo-retina> ie it continues to grow each week after the release peak
14:37:33 <aleth> yes, before there seemed to be a steady bleed of users...
14:38:33 <flo> which shouldn't be a surprised when we keep not posting anything on the blog and not communicating ;)
14:38:51 <flo> 1.3 may be even better :)
14:43:01 <deOmega> flo: good day. when u pit a conversation on hold.. shouldn't it  stay that way until you release it?
14:43:52 <deOmega> I know that if I put   a channel on hold, and someone says my name it pops open.. which is nice.
14:44:31 <deOmega> but the individual chats...  i put a guy on hold and each time he types it pops back open
14:44:43 <deOmega> is that normal or expected behavior?
14:44:55 <flo> it's the behavior I expect
14:45:16 <flo> I put a conversation with a "normal guy" on hold usually when nothing has been said for a while and I want to reclaim some space in my tab bar
14:45:35 <deOmega> ah
14:45:57 <deOmega> ok, i thought it was created initially to control interruptions.
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14:46:47 <deOmega> the space area is a nice idea f course though
14:46:51 <flo> deOmega: no, that was the "do not disturb" add-on :)
14:47:28 <aleth> Should really take a look at that and find out why it was crashy :-/
14:47:54 <deOmega> oh .. the one where everyone sees your status change.  I remember that  aspect now.
14:48:30 <aleth> deOmega: this one https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/305
14:49:35 <deOmega> yes, i remember it.. ithank you aleth
14:49:46 <clokep_work> aleth: "crashy"? I've never had issues w/ it.
14:49:58 <aleth> clokep_work: it's the only thing that's ever made IB crash for me
14:50:59 <aleth> hmm, or was it a different add-on? I'm not certain
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14:52:27 <aleth> Ah, DnD had bug 1190, but no actual crash
14:52:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1190 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Do Not Disturb sometimes breaks the conversation window on status change
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14:52:35 <deOmega> aleth: yes, i remember commenting that it would be ice if they did not see your status change.
14:53:10 <aleth> deOmega: Who sees the status change? I don't think that's related?
14:54:15 <aleth> clokep_work: I remember now, that bug wasn't a crash, but it required restart.
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14:56:17 <deOmega> aleth: i thought u had to set your status to unavailable or away for this to be implemented.. which means  others would see yoru status change
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14:56:58 <aleth> deOmega: Ah yes, that is true. But isn't that what you would want? If you are going to ignore incoming messages, you are unavailable...
14:57:46 <deOmega> :).. sadly  there are times i woud only want that for  selective contacts
14:57:51 <clokep_work> deOmega: It was also an example extension to show the API, it could be expanded to do different things.
14:58:47 <deOmega> it depends on how some guy day is going.. they start throwing kives and   planning to jump off oif buildings .. ntil they calm down.  sometimes it is nice to have  those guys on ignore until they calm down.
14:59:01 <deOmega> Guys 
14:59:50 <deOmega> clokep_work: thank you.  will explore it later today
15:01:33 <aleth> So, how do I file a bug on BMO without getting the stupid "what did you expect to happen" type form?
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15:03:11 <aleth> Aha! I made it go away. So ignore that ^^
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15:11:58 <aleth> Nice review that highlights Show Nick ;) http://www.lffl.org/2012/08/instantbird-12-aggiungei-l-supporto-per.html
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16:55:03 <igorko> hello
16:55:19 <igorko> one guy asks, do you plan to make 64x builds?
16:56:42 <flo> for windows no, for mac yes, for linux possibly.
16:57:35 <flo> for windows, no because it's pointless. For Mac, yes as soon as we get a newer Mac that can build it, for Linux we would consider it if we had more disk space on our servers.
17:01:05 <rosonline> flo:
17:01:51 <rosonline> flo: My translation for pt-BR is almost done
17:03:34 <flo> cool :)
17:04:41 <rosonline> Is there anyone that speaks portuguese?
17:05:29 <rosonline> flo: I need to someone thats check my translations...
17:06:02 <rosonline> can check
17:06:08 <rosonline> sorry
17:09:43 <flo> in the last email clokep sent to you, weren't all the other volunteers for pt-BR cc'ed? They certainly speak portuguese :)
17:09:45 <rosonline> flo: I translated the folder container with a text editor. I only use Tortoise to download the en-US folder.
17:11:10 <rosonline> I can't find them here
17:13:28 <clokep_work> Can't find what where?
17:14:01 <flo> clokep_work: the other translators
17:14:09 <rosonline> yes!
17:14:46 <rosonline> Or maybe some brazilian or portuguese guy
17:17:28 <rosonline> Whatever, when I do complete my translations, What do I do?
17:18:30 <clokep_work> rosonline: So I sent an email entitled "pt-BR Translation of Instantbird" on July 25th, 2012 to you and the other people who were interested in this translation.
17:18:37 <clokep_work> No one else responded except you though.
17:19:20 <rosonline> I get it
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17:20:29 <rosonline> I receive this email. I had to create a iRC account to chat and learn with all you the basic instructions
17:21:11 <flo> clokep_work: does that mean we should make rosonline the locale manager for pt-BR?
17:21:36 <flo> I waited for a reply from the locale manager to create the accounts for people in the team, but... that's starting to get in the way
17:21:38 <rosonline> No. You should talk with billysanca
17:21:58 <rosonline> but i need send my translations for anyway
17:22:06 <rosonline> Maybe for email
17:23:06 <clokep_work> flo: For now, we could just give rosonline commit access.
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17:39:55 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com denied review for attachment 1865 on bug 1666.
17:39:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1666 enh, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Set twitter topic to the user's self-description
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18:12:35 <clokep_work> aleth: I hope those comments made sense, i wrote some of them like 4 hours apart...
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18:27:30 * clokep_work should write a blog post about wnayes' GSoC stuff.
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19:35:44 <flo> and I should review his code :-|
19:39:36 <flo> I'm frustrated by bug 1664
19:39:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1664 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Google Talk will not connect
19:40:00 <flo> the reporter seems to be willing to help, but always ignore or misunderstand half of my request for more infor :(
19:41:00 <aleth> It's frustrating to read... maybe invite him to IRC?
19:42:41 <flo> clokep_work: bug 1432 is a dupe of the issue we had with sockets a few weeks before the 1.2 release.
19:42:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1432 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Twitter account seems connected but no actions are sent
19:42:56 <flo> clokep_work: completely unrelated to the new issues people are having now
19:44:40 <flo> I mean bug 1355
19:44:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1355 maj, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, unable to establish any network connection until a restart of the application
19:45:57 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1432 to DUPLICATE of bug 1355.
19:46:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1432 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Twitter account seems connected but no actions are sent
19:46:53 <clokep_work> Ahhh, good call. :)
19:47:08 <aleth> clokep_work: It's a bit surprising it's 160 and not 140 anyway ;)
19:47:15 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes, I was too. :)
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20:03:32 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1866 on bug 1666.
20:03:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1666 enh, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Set twitter topic to the user's self-description
20:06:26 <clokep_work> Hmm...does our twitter code not toLowerCase() anywhere for nicks? I feel like it should. :-S
20:06:52 <aleth> clokep_work: it has fixAccountName instead afaik
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20:07:05 <flo> clokep_work: do we have a bug open for the situation: 1. foo sends a private message. 2. foo changes his nick to foobar. 3. foobar disconnects and reconnects with the nick foo. 4. foo sends a private message (and we open a separate tab). 5. foo changes his nick to foobar.
20:07:41 <flo> after 5. we have two identical private IRC conversations. Isn't that likely to mess things up? What's the expected behavior in that case?
20:07:49 <aleth> I think there's a bug for that
20:08:00 <aleth> Hard to fix though.
20:08:19 <flo> aleth: I'm not even sure of what the expected behavior is :)
20:09:03 <aleth> Since we are not informed of the nick change, there isn't much choice ;)
20:09:24 <aleth> bug 1458
20:09:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1458 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, DM conversation partner nick change opens new conversation unless nick is also a participant in some
20:09:30 <clokep_work> flo: I need to re-read that. ;)
20:10:08 <clokep_work> OK, so we have no way of knowing that foobar became foo after the disconnect.
20:10:26 <clokep_work> The case of foo changing nick to foobar...it'd be nice if that could be more gracefully handled.
20:14:29 <clokep_work> aleth: we only use fixAccountName in the oauth stuff, I mean when we set values to the map of username --> user info.
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20:17:04 <aleth> clokep_work: I think the protocol uses the capitalization provided by twitter throughout. The account name is the only one which may be different, and so it is 'fixed'.
20:17:27 <clokep_work> Alright.
20:17:29 <clokep_work> I can mostly buy that.
20:17:43 <aleth> For more info, ask the author of the protocl ;)
20:19:44 <clokep_work> Yeah, yeah.
20:19:59 <clokep_work> OK, in that case. I think the patch mostly looks good.
20:20:03 <clokep_work> I'll try it first though. ;)
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20:21:02 <aleth> clokep_work: It'll be something to worry about if/when there are other instances where a user provides the capitalization
20:21:19 <clokep_work> aleth: I was worried about Twitter not always returning the same capitalization. :-D
20:22:27 <aleth> heh :D also possible I guess... considering their website ;)
20:23:21 <clokep_work> Yes, exactly.
20:23:40 <aleth> I guess we'll find out, and that will be useful info.
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23:02:08 <instantbot> jamie@nvaccess.org granted feedback for attachment 1863 on bug 1626.
23:02:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1626 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Some screen readers say the word "frame" a lot when moving the selection in the contacts list
23:09:25 <clokep> aleth: Thanks for looking at these "boring" bugs btw. :)
23:09:45 <clokep> (And I haven't noticed people turning back inactive, but I have a feeling that's how it's supposed to work. :-D)
23:11:37 <aleth> It's definitely necessary for non-nightly users who don't restart IB every day ;)
23:12:00 <aleth> We'll have to play with the timespan... maybe 1h is too short
23:14:39 <flo> aleth: what makes you think it's too short? That's I'm inactive now? (well, not any more :-D)
23:15:14 <clokep> Btw is someone "active" when they just join?
23:15:19 <clokep> (And shuld they be, if they're not.)
23:15:21 <aleth> flo: I don't expect it to be too short... but who knows :P
23:15:37 <aleth> clokep: no, joining doesn't make you active. You have to say something
23:15:48 <clokep> aleth: OK, part II now. ;)
23:17:10 <clokep> (Should it?)
23:18:57 <aleth> There is a distinction between "logged on" and "actively participating" which I thought we were trying to capture
23:19:24 <aleth> But I see what you mean... maybe people are more receptive just after joining?
23:19:33 <clokep> Right that's my question.
23:19:38 <clokep> I don't have an answer btw, just a question. :)
23:20:00 <aleth> I don't have an answer other than that it's never bothered me so far
23:20:27 <aleth> "Notify me when xyz logs on" is a different feature (which it would be nice to have in an add-on actually)
23:21:04 <aleth> I'm also a bit concerned about mere disconnect/reconnects marking people active
23:21:16 <aleth> One would have to test for that somehow
23:21:34 <aleth> (otherwise Optimizer is always active ;) )
23:22:47 <clokep> Ah, that's true.
23:22:51 <clokep> I dhadn't thought of that.
23:24:11 <Mook_as> should he be active if, within the same minute, he says something, disconnects, and rejoins? :p
23:26:06 <aleth> Mook_as: That's actually something I would like to fix.
23:26:55 <aleth> Just haven't filed a bug for it.
23:29:48 <clokep> aleth: I'm going to modify a couple minor things in that patch if you don't mind...
23:30:08 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1683 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm.
23:30:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1683 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Restore participants' active status if still appropriate after a reconnect
23:30:15 <aleth> clokep: which one?
23:30:23 <aleth> But sure, feel free...
23:30:50 <clokep> aleth: The Twitter one.
23:36:28 * clokep is waiting for a tweet to come...
23:36:48 <Mook_as> aleth: for the NVDA stuff, can that get away with using https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM/DOM_Mutation_Observers instead?
23:37:56 <clokep> wnayes: Nice GSoC concluding post. :)
23:38:48 <wnayes> clokep: When you mentioned writing a post I remembered I should write one too :)
23:40:06 <aleth> Mook_as: I'll have to look at it. I don't know. FWIW I doubt performance is a real issue in this case.
23:40:31 <clokep> wnayes: I figured as much. should teach me to post without mentioning it first.
23:41:04 <Mook_as> yeah; it's just that _ever_having_ any mutation event listeners turns on code paths that do extra works for every attr set in that document, or something crazy like that
23:41:27 <Mook_as> it's not a high priority, though; getting things to work is higher :)
23:41:43 <aleth> Mook_as: Oh? That's good to know. I wonder if we use any in the convbrowser
23:41:57 * aleth hopes not
23:43:09 <wnayes> I am really thankful for everyone's help this summer and grateful for having the opportunity to work on my project proposal! I feel I learned a lot of practical things that will be useful in upcoming years. :)
23:44:45 <clokep> We really enjoyed having you work on everything! I hope you've learned a lot. And will tell everyone about this awesome IM program called Instantbird. ;)
23:47:16 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 1866 on bug 1666.
23:47:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1666 enh, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Set twitter topic to the user's self-description
23:47:24 <EionRobb> what's instantbird?
23:47:52 <Mook_as> it's this weird pidgin clone
23:48:07 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from aletheia2@fastmail. fm for attachment 1867 on bug 1666.
23:48:20 <EionRobb> oh ok
23:48:26 <EionRobb> I had a pidgin once, but I had to put it down
23:48:29 <EionRobb> it couldn't send files
23:48:48 <aleth> clokep: Have you tried it with including the new text in the system message? I thought it made for a rather long system message...
23:49:06 <Mook_as> I think you're supposed to print it out and tie the result to its leg?
23:49:11 * aleth hopes wnayes won't completely disappear :)
23:49:32 <clokep> aleth: Yes, I did.
23:49:38 <clokep> I think it's nice to know /what/ it was truncated to.
23:50:40 <clokep> aleth: Initially when I did it I went "OK...Well WTF did you set it to?"
23:50:48 <clokep> I understand it's in the topic, but it seems like it shuld be included in the message too.
23:50:58 <aleth> OK, lets go with that then
23:51:25 <clokep> I actually debated whether we shuld even set the message or just refuse. :-/
23:52:19 * clokep is trying to decide how to resolve bug 1213...
23:52:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1213 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Twitter should always have a topic (based on your last sent tweet)
23:52:42 <aleth> I did as well, but I decided we should mirror the behaviour of IRC and XMPP status etc.
23:53:03 <aleth> It's not like the changed description triggers tweets or anything.
23:53:11 <clokep> Yup. :)
23:53:56 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1213 to INVALID.
23:54:55 <aleth> We use kWhatever for Konstants? reminds me of Klassic KDE Kapps
23:55:36 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm granted review for attachment 1867 on bug 1666.
23:55:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1666 enh, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Set twitter topic to the user's self-description
23:56:07 <clokep> aleth: It's Mozilla policy, I think.
23:56:34 <aleth> Good to know... I don't think I spotted it in the IB code before.
23:56:52 <flo> aleth: maybe a participant should be active after joining *for the first time*?
23:57:03 <flo> auto-join doesn't mean you are more attentive
23:57:29 <clokep> aleth: I think the other Twitter code uses it...
23:57:58 <clokep> aleth: Yes, http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/twitter/twitter.js#321
23:59:17 <aleth> flo: define "for the first time"?
23:59:42 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1458 on bug 1213.
23:59:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1213 enh, --, ---, clokep, RESO INVALID, Twitter should always have a topic (based on your last sent tweet)
23:59:51 * Mook_as thinks the kFoo stuff came from at least early win32 programming, probably earlier...