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00:11:41 <-- sonny has quit (Ping timeout) 00:16:45 <instant-buildbot> build #311 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/311 00:22:07 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 00:22:08 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 00:27:25 <-- myk has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 00:32:23 * flo things aleth should really do some efforts to have correct paths in his patches 00:32:27 <flo> *thinks 00:35:52 <clokep> It's really frustrating when you're in a crash loop in firefox... 00:37:34 * flo won't even bother downloading https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=1847&action=diff 00:43:19 <clokep> flo: We have --disable-bonjour in case you don't have avahi, pretty much. 00:43:42 <flo> ah, ok :) 00:43:53 <flo> is anybody feeling like trying to reproduce bug 1664? 00:43:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1664 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Google Talk will not connect 00:44:30 * clokep feels like trying to produce dinner. 00:45:01 * flo feels like falling asleep ;) 00:46:23 <flo> apparently the Tb try server doesn't have avahi 00:47:13 <clokep> That doesn't fully surprise me. :) 00:48:51 * Mook_as imagines flo pushing a avahi install via try server 00:49:06 <flo> Mook_as is crazy :-P 00:49:08 <clokep> Mook_as: Run aptitude as part of make? 00:49:22 <flo> clokep: aptitude on CentOS? :-S 00:49:35 <clokep> flo: Was I supposed to know they run CentOS? 00:49:45 <Mook_as> clokep: no, no privileges. just push avahi installed with appropriate --prefix (or... build it from client.py) 00:50:02 <Mook_as> also: I thought crazy was my default state by now. 00:50:16 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/0ed1a0d680a4 - aleth - Bug 1654 - accessibility: Make it clear that topic control in conversation info toolbar is actionable, r=fqueze. 00:50:17 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/bcdc25b745ad - aleth - Bug 1672 - Truncated RTs don't always show the full original tweet, r=clokep. 00:50:18 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/7884bf7cae67 - Mook - Bug 1668 - Enhance imXPCOMUtils debug logging to have module-specific prefs, r=fqueze. 00:50:19 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/17567b2219c1 - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1628 - Unhandled IRC message: 330 RPL_WHOISACCOUNT, r=aleth. 00:50:20 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/44eb8c019f3c - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1657 - Unhandled IRC message 475 ERR_BADCHANNELKEY, r=aleth. 00:50:21 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/f244d3dfba5b - aleth - Bug 1671 - Include twitter users' names in tooltips, r=clokep. 00:50:22 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/29d2a239ba24 - aleth - Bug 1676 - Fix some 'function does not always return a value' warnings that became visible with Mozilla 14, r=fqueze. 00:50:23 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/c09c70153aac - aleth - Bug 1632 - Mark participants as inactive after XXX time, r=clokep. 00:50:29 <clokep> Yay, bugs to close.... 00:50:58 <flo> not sure if bug 1676 should be closed or not 00:51:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1676 tri, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, 'function does not always return a value' warnings from moz14 00:51:36 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1632 to FIXED. 00:51:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1632 enh, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Mark participants as inactive after XXX time 00:52:26 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1671 to FIXED. 00:52:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1671 min, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Include twitter users' names in tooltips 00:53:06 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1657 to FIXED. 00:53:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1657 nor, --, 1.3, clokep, RESO FIXED, Unhandled IRC message 475 ERR_BADCHANNELKEY 00:53:56 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1628 to FIXED. 00:54:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1628 min, --, 1.3, clokep, RESO FIXED, Unhandled IRC message: 330 RPL_WHOISACCOUNT 00:54:58 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1668 to FIXED. 00:55:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1668 nor, --, 1.3, mook.moz+bugs.instantbird, RESO FIXED, Enhance imXPCOMUtils debug logging to have module-specific prefs 00:55:48 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1672 to FIXED. 00:55:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1672 nor, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Truncated RTs don't always show the full original tweet 00:56:29 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1654 to FIXED. 00:56:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1654 nor, --, 1.3, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, accessibility: Make it clear that topic control in conversation info toolbar is actionable 01:01:23 <flo> I'll try to reproduce that gtalk bug 01:03:59 <-- Mook_as has quit (Quit: Mook_as) 01:06:28 <clokep> aleth: Did gerv ever give you editbugs? 01:13:49 <flo> Good night 01:15:21 --> zen_monkey has joined #instantbird 01:15:55 <-- zen_monkey has left #instantbird (Saliendo) 01:19:09 <-- wnayes1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 01:20:18 <instant-buildbot> build #312 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/312 01:25:13 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 1809 on bug 1650. 01:25:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1650 min, --, ---, wnayes, ASSI, The value of list type options is not always preserved 01:39:06 <instant-buildbot> build #280 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/280 01:47:09 <instantbot> jamie@nvaccess.org cleared the Resolution 'FIXED' from bug 1637. 01:47:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1637 nor, --, 1.3, florian, REOP, accessibility: Lists in main window are unlabelled 02:03:51 <instantbot> jamie@nvaccess.org set the Resolution field on bug 1637 to FIXED. 02:03:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1637 nor, --, 1.3, florian, RESO FIXED, accessibility: Lists in main window are unlabelled 02:04:13 <-- malia has quit (Client exited) 02:23:21 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 02:24:54 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 02:24:54 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 02:37:17 <instant-buildbot> build #298 of win32-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/298 02:46:44 <instantbot> New Websites - hg.instantbird.org (Mercurial/hgweb) bug 1681 filed by clokep@gmail.com. 02:46:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1681 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Split experiments repository into two clean repositories 02:56:38 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 03:20:57 <instant-buildbot> build #613 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/613 03:41:55 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 03:42:02 <-- Kaishi has quit (Quit: Kaishi) 03:42:07 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 04:54:02 <-- Kaishi has quit (Ping timeout) 04:57:39 --> Kaishi has joined #instantbird 05:05:34 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 05:22:43 <instant-buildbot> build #691 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/691 05:29:44 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 05:31:26 <-- micahg has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 05:34:52 --> jb has joined #instantbird 05:43:48 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 05:47:00 <-- phayz has quit (Client exited) 05:48:13 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 05:58:56 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 06:07:53 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 06:14:11 <instant-buildbot> build #597 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/597 06:15:50 <-- Mook has quit (Quit: Mook) 06:26:31 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 06:35:54 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 06:53:44 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 07:00:33 --> zen_monkey has joined #instantbird 07:24:12 <-- sonny has quit (Ping timeout) 07:40:04 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 07:45:26 <-- meh has quit (Ping timeout) 07:49:28 --> meh has joined #instantbird 07:49:48 <-- sonny has quit (Ping timeout) 07:52:05 --> barlas has joined #instantbird 08:08:21 <-- meh has quit (Quit: I don't want to live on this planet anymore.) 08:08:45 <-- Even1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 08:08:49 --> Even has joined #instantbird 08:08:49 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 08:08:53 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Even) 08:08:57 --> Even has joined #instantbird 08:08:57 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 08:19:14 --> meh has joined #instantbird 08:41:32 --> jb1 has joined #instantbird 08:46:37 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 08:48:25 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 09:01:30 --> chrisccoulson_ has joined #instantbird 09:11:44 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 09:12:00 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 09:29:14 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Ping timeout) 09:47:43 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 10:02:01 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 10:10:37 <flo-retina> bah, my Tb try server build with libpurple failed on all OSes 10:15:15 <-- barlas has quit (Ping timeout) 10:16:28 --> flo has joined #instantbird 10:16:28 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 10:17:07 --> barlas has joined #instantbird 10:30:58 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:30:58 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 10:37:49 --> mmkmou has joined #instantbird 10:53:13 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 10:56:58 <flo-retina> I don't understand why http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/try-builds/florian@queze.net-62b4c82f098f/try-comm-central-linux64/try-comm-central-linux64-bm14-try1-build144.txt.gz failed 10:57:29 <flo-retina> ah, undefined reference to `g_warn_if_reached' and undefined reference to `g_timeout_add_seconds' :-D 11:01:05 <flo-retina> g_warn_if_reached was added in glib2.16.0 (a version even older than the one we ship). I wonder what version is installed on the linux64 mozilla slaves :) 11:01:45 <flo-retina> and g_timeout_add_seconds was added in 2.14 11:02:47 <flo-retina> it's worrying that we have some code calling g_timeout_add* though, as that's guaranteed to fail on non-Linux where we don't have a glib event loop 11:03:05 <-- chrisccoulson_ has quit (Ping timeout) 11:04:16 <flo-retina> we should see what braeks if we remove http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/libraries/glib/gmain.c 11:16:56 --> chrisccoulson_ has joined #instantbird 11:32:47 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 11:33:57 <flo-retina> for Tb I guess I should just remove the jabber and qq libpurple prpls 11:51:09 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:51:09 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 11:56:11 <clokep_work> :( 11:56:23 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Ping timeout) 11:56:26 <clokep_work> Compiling libpurple with emscripten sounds better and better. ;) 11:58:19 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 12:15:50 <-- Even has quit (Ping timeout) 12:15:53 --> Even has joined #instantbird 12:15:53 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 12:17:36 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 12:17:37 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 12:17:39 <flo> My Firefox here is taking 1047MB of RAM for an MDN, 3 mxr and one etherpad tab. Time to restart it I think :) 12:18:04 <flo> I would like to know why about:memory shows "105.29 MB ââ canvas-2d-pixel-bytes" 12:18:22 <flo> would be nice to know which website uses a canvas 12:20:25 <clokep_work> MDN's new wiki? :P 12:20:31 <clokep_work> Etherpad probably does somewhere. 12:20:51 <flo> Gandi's telling me that instantbird.im expires in 2 months 12:21:43 <flo> their email is quite nice, it says "if you are in an emergency situation and don't remember your credentials, don't panic, you can renew any domain with any new account." I assume the new account can only pay and the real owner of the domain stays the same, but that seems an interesting idea :) 12:22:50 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1682 filed by goofyfr@gmail.com. 12:22:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1682 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, [fr] Rephrasing one pref 12:29:42 <clokep_work> Nice. :) 12:29:45 <barlas> hosting is on Gandi? 12:29:49 * clokep_work should really buy a domain... 12:30:34 <barlas> Oh, they are also registrar 12:33:06 <flo> barlas: no, hosting is on Illiad (= online.net = free.fr = proxad.net), OVH, and Google Code. 12:34:18 --> jb2 has joined #instantbird 12:35:27 <-- jb1 has quit (Ping timeout) 12:35:30 <barlas> Someone recommended me Gandi for VPS hosting 12:51:10 <flo> heh, I didn't notice http://blog.instantbird.org/2012/08/instantbird-1-2-released/comment-page-1/#comment-1869 :) 12:52:53 <-- micahg has quit (Quit: Leaving) 12:53:47 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 13:07:37 <-- sonny has quit (Ping timeout) 13:08:16 <barlas> Finally finishing my project this weekend. 13:08:35 <barlas> The one that I have been hoping to finish before trying to play with instantbird 13:08:47 <flo> apparently mozilla's build infrastructure doesn't want to sign libpurple because it's too big :-D. 13:13:59 <clokep_work> Is "bloated" the word you're looking for? ;) 13:15:00 <flo> clokep_work: I was just talking about the size. Bloated is your interpretation ;). Feel free to interpret however you like :) 13:15:56 <-- chrisccoulson_ has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 13:17:25 <flo> I just pushed my libpurple changeset again to the try server (wait, no, it's still pushing; I always forgot that the connection at the office isn't as fast as at home) without jabber/qq (jabber because Tb doesn't want SRV support :-P; qq because the code sucks and doesn't really work anyway) and without mac signing 13:17:33 <flo> let's see if it will build correctly this time :) 13:19:03 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested feedback from the wind for attachment 1863 on bug 1626. 13:19:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1626 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Some screen readers say the word "frame" a lot when moving the selection in the contacts list 13:19:48 <aleth> uh, I can't request feedback from people who don't have editbugs? 13:20:04 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm cancelled feedback? for attachment 1863 on bug 1626. 13:20:36 <aleth> I suppose it makes sense. 13:20:45 <clokep_work> aleth: You want James to have editbugs? 13:20:47 <clokep_work> That's easy enough. 13:20:51 <clokep_work> I was going to do it anyway... 13:21:41 <aleth> It would clarify things, since he's the only one qualified to test these bugs really ;) 13:21:48 <clokep_work> aleth: Done. 13:21:58 <flo> it's nice to have someone around who not only reports accessibility issues in understandable ways, but also verifies the fixes in nightlies :) 13:22:12 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 13:22:15 <aleth> clokep_work: Thanks! 13:22:17 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested feedback from jamie@nvaccess.or g for attachment 1863 on bug 1626. 13:22:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1626 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Some screen readers say the word "frame" a lot when moving the selection in the contacts list 13:22:26 <flo> aleth: can you also clarify if it's a real patch or just a way to understand what's going on? 13:22:41 <aleth> flo: This second one would be a real patch I think. 13:22:44 <aleth> If it works. 13:23:02 <aleth> The first one was to test my understanding of what was going on. 13:23:30 <flo> aleth: if you want us to take it as a temporary workaround (that could be acceptable I guess), shouldn't we also ensure a Mozilla accessibility bug is filed, so that we have a bug number in the code comment that we can refer to later to check if the workaround can be removed? :) 13:24:09 <aleth> flo: Take a look, it's a hack, but a mild one of the sort we do elsewhere too. 13:24:24 <aleth> But yes, of course a bug should be filed on bmo too. 13:24:30 <aleth> I just don't expect to see it fixed. 13:25:05 <clokep_work> Fix it'll never be if no bug is filed. 13:25:11 <clokep_work> s/Fix/Fixed/ 13:25:24 <aleth> clokep_work: I didn't say I wouldn't file one :P 13:26:49 <flo> aleth: my concern is that it's a hack, but the comment above it doesn't explain an easy way to reproduce the issue that the hack works around; because we don't have any way to do that and you have to ask someone else to test it for you 13:27:16 <aleth> flo: Yes, that's why I had to refer to the bug number in the comment :( 13:28:39 <flo> referring to the bug number in hack comments is generally a good idea; if only so that we can put a comment in the bug when reverting the hack later :). 13:29:29 <aleth> If we were to take this patch, I'd have it refer to the BMO bug number. 13:30:34 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 13:30:37 <aleth> It doesn't seem like an expensive hack considering the alternative is to workaround in all the various screen readers... 13:32:28 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 13:32:28 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 13:39:33 <-- rosonline has quit (Ping timeout) 13:43:09 * flo-retina wonders if bug 1579 is wontfix 13:43:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1579 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Ship libpurple as an add-on / allow it to be disabled in configure 13:43:58 <flo-retina> I think a way better solution would be to put the whole purple/ folder in a separate repository, and have the folder layout for it match what's done for venkman and DOM i, and checkout that repository from client.py 13:44:42 <flo-retina> in our current situation having 2 separates code repositories for the same application would be painful, so I think that approach would be worth it only if we get the greenlight for integrating instantbird/ in comm-central. 13:45:00 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1865 on bug 1666. 13:45:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1666 enh, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Set twitter topic to the user's self-description 13:48:21 <clokep_work> flo-retina: That does sound more likely to work... 13:49:07 <flo-retina> note that the attached patch did work ;) 14:00:39 <clokep_work> :) 14:00:41 <clokep_work> Good to know. ;) 14:01:32 <flo> my main concern is it would require more maintenance to keep it working than we are happy to provide. 14:02:02 <flo> we don't seem to have that many people here who are familiar with the build system and the quirks of each of the platforms ;). 14:02:29 <aleth> It does sound like it would add a lot to your workload :-/ 14:03:05 * clokep_work started working on SIPE again yesterday. 14:03:15 * clokep_work and realized he doesn't really know the build system at all. ;) 14:03:41 <flo> aleth: I think it would delay mozilla updates, as they would be just more painful 14:08:57 <-- jb2 has quit (Ping timeout) 14:19:31 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 14:23:57 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 14:24:24 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 14:36:18 <aleth> Looks like a nice bump from 1.2 :) 14:36:21 <aleth> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/stats/ 14:36:53 <flo-retina> it's in the opposite direction compared to 1.1 14:37:01 <flo-retina> ie it continues to grow each week after the release peak 14:37:33 <aleth> yes, before there seemed to be a steady bleed of users... 14:38:33 <flo> which shouldn't be a surprised when we keep not posting anything on the blog and not communicating ;) 14:38:51 <flo> 1.3 may be even better :) 14:43:01 <deOmega> flo: good day. when u pit a conversation on hold.. shouldn't it stay that way until you release it? 14:43:52 <deOmega> I know that if I put a channel on hold, and someone says my name it pops open.. which is nice. 14:44:31 <deOmega> but the individual chats... i put a guy on hold and each time he types it pops back open 14:44:43 <deOmega> is that normal or expected behavior? 14:44:55 <flo> it's the behavior I expect 14:45:16 <flo> I put a conversation with a "normal guy" on hold usually when nothing has been said for a while and I want to reclaim some space in my tab bar 14:45:35 <deOmega> ah 14:45:57 <deOmega> ok, i thought it was created initially to control interruptions. 14:46:08 --> jb has joined #instantbird 14:46:21 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 14:46:47 <deOmega> the space area is a nice idea f course though 14:46:51 <flo> deOmega: no, that was the "do not disturb" add-on :) 14:47:28 <aleth> Should really take a look at that and find out why it was crashy :-/ 14:47:54 <deOmega> oh .. the one where everyone sees your status change. I remember that aspect now. 14:48:30 <aleth> deOmega: this one https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/305 14:49:35 <deOmega> yes, i remember it.. ithank you aleth 14:49:46 <clokep_work> aleth: "crashy"? I've never had issues w/ it. 14:49:58 <aleth> clokep_work: it's the only thing that's ever made IB crash for me 14:50:59 <aleth> hmm, or was it a different add-on? I'm not certain 14:51:17 <-- barlas has quit (Quit: barlas) 14:52:27 <aleth> Ah, DnD had bug 1190, but no actual crash 14:52:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1190 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Do Not Disturb sometimes breaks the conversation window on status change 14:52:31 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 14:52:35 <deOmega> aleth: yes, i remember commenting that it would be ice if they did not see your status change. 14:53:10 <aleth> deOmega: Who sees the status change? I don't think that's related? 14:54:15 <aleth> clokep_work: I remember now, that bug wasn't a crash, but it required restart. 14:55:53 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 14:56:07 <-- Optimizer has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 14:56:17 <deOmega> aleth: i thought u had to set your status to unavailable or away for this to be implemented.. which means others would see yoru status change 14:56:30 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 14:56:58 <aleth> deOmega: Ah yes, that is true. But isn't that what you would want? If you are going to ignore incoming messages, you are unavailable... 14:57:46 <deOmega> :).. sadly there are times i woud only want that for selective contacts 14:57:51 <clokep_work> deOmega: It was also an example extension to show the API, it could be expanded to do different things. 14:58:47 <deOmega> it depends on how some guy day is going.. they start throwing kives and planning to jump off oif buildings .. ntil they calm down. sometimes it is nice to have those guys on ignore until they calm down. 14:59:01 <deOmega> Guys 14:59:50 <deOmega> clokep_work: thank you. will explore it later today 15:01:33 <aleth> So, how do I file a bug on BMO without getting the stupid "what did you expect to happen" type form? 15:02:56 --> jb has joined #instantbird 15:03:11 <aleth> Aha! I made it go away. So ignore that ^^ 15:10:59 --> myk has joined #instantbird 15:11:58 <aleth> Nice review that highlights Show Nick ;) http://www.lffl.org/2012/08/instantbird-12-aggiungei-l-supporto-per.html 15:30:56 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 15:31:07 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 15:33:30 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 15:35:34 <-- micahg has quit (Ping timeout) 15:36:06 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 15:36:51 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:36:51 <-- micahg has quit (Connection reset by peer) 15:37:57 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 15:38:41 --> micahg has joined #instantbird 15:43:49 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 15:51:43 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 15:51:52 <-- myk has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:51:54 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 15:52:04 --> myk has joined #instantbird 15:54:26 <-- flo has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:54:43 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:12:40 <-- skeledrew has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:13:09 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 16:24:20 <-- rosonline has quit (Client exited) 16:24:30 --> flo has joined #instantbird 16:24:30 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo flo 16:24:34 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 16:26:21 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 16:41:56 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 16:50:36 <-- Even has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:55:03 <igorko> hello 16:55:19 <igorko> one guy asks, do you plan to make 64x builds? 16:56:42 <flo> for windows no, for mac yes, for linux possibly. 16:57:35 <flo> for windows, no because it's pointless. For Mac, yes as soon as we get a newer Mac that can build it, for Linux we would consider it if we had more disk space on our servers. 17:01:05 <rosonline> flo: 17:01:51 <rosonline> flo: My translation for pt-BR is almost done 17:03:34 <flo> cool :) 17:04:41 <rosonline> Is there anyone that speaks portuguese? 17:05:29 <rosonline> flo: I need to someone thats check my translations... 17:06:02 <rosonline> can check 17:06:08 <rosonline> sorry 17:09:43 <flo> in the last email clokep sent to you, weren't all the other volunteers for pt-BR cc'ed? They certainly speak portuguese :) 17:09:45 <rosonline> flo: I translated the folder container with a text editor. I only use Tortoise to download the en-US folder. 17:11:10 <rosonline> I can't find them here 17:13:28 <clokep_work> Can't find what where? 17:14:01 <flo> clokep_work: the other translators 17:14:09 <rosonline> yes! 17:14:46 <rosonline> Or maybe some brazilian or portuguese guy 17:17:28 <rosonline> Whatever, when I do complete my translations, What do I do? 17:18:30 <clokep_work> rosonline: So I sent an email entitled "pt-BR Translation of Instantbird" on July 25th, 2012 to you and the other people who were interested in this translation. 17:18:37 <clokep_work> No one else responded except you though. 17:19:20 <rosonline> I get it 17:19:56 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 17:20:29 <rosonline> I receive this email. I had to create a iRC account to chat and learn with all you the basic instructions 17:21:11 <flo> clokep_work: does that mean we should make rosonline the locale manager for pt-BR? 17:21:36 <flo> I waited for a reply from the locale manager to create the accounts for people in the team, but... that's starting to get in the way 17:21:38 <rosonline> No. You should talk with billysanca 17:21:58 <rosonline> but i need send my translations for anyway 17:22:06 <rosonline> Maybe for email 17:23:06 <clokep_work> flo: For now, we could just give rosonline commit access. 17:31:13 <-- igorko has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:39:55 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com denied review for attachment 1865 on bug 1666. 17:39:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1666 enh, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Set twitter topic to the user's self-description 17:57:48 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 17:58:22 <-- sonny has quit (Ping timeout) 18:04:17 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 18:12:35 <clokep_work> aleth: I hope those comments made sense, i wrote some of them like 4 hours apart... 18:21:19 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 18:27:30 * clokep_work should write a blog post about wnayes' GSoC stuff. 18:39:56 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Ping timeout) 18:40:21 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 18:43:05 --> zen_monkey_ has joined #instantbird 18:44:10 <-- zen_monkey has quit (Ping timeout) 18:49:08 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]) 19:35:44 <flo> and I should review his code :-| 19:39:36 <flo> I'm frustrated by bug 1664 19:39:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1664 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Google Talk will not connect 19:40:00 <flo> the reporter seems to be willing to help, but always ignore or misunderstand half of my request for more infor :( 19:41:00 <aleth> It's frustrating to read... maybe invite him to IRC? 19:42:41 <flo> clokep_work: bug 1432 is a dupe of the issue we had with sockets a few weeks before the 1.2 release. 19:42:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1432 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Twitter account seems connected but no actions are sent 19:42:56 <flo> clokep_work: completely unrelated to the new issues people are having now 19:44:40 <flo> I mean bug 1355 19:44:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1355 maj, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, unable to establish any network connection until a restart of the application 19:45:57 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1432 to DUPLICATE of bug 1355. 19:46:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1432 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Twitter account seems connected but no actions are sent 19:46:53 <clokep_work> Ahhh, good call. :) 19:47:08 <aleth> clokep_work: It's a bit surprising it's 160 and not 140 anyway ;) 19:47:15 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes, I was too. :) 19:51:25 <-- rosonline has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 20:03:32 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1866 on bug 1666. 20:03:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1666 enh, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Set twitter topic to the user's self-description 20:06:26 <clokep_work> Hmm...does our twitter code not toLowerCase() anywhere for nicks? I feel like it should. :-S 20:06:52 <aleth> clokep_work: it has fixAccountName instead afaik 20:07:02 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 20:07:05 <flo> clokep_work: do we have a bug open for the situation: 1. foo sends a private message. 2. foo changes his nick to foobar. 3. foobar disconnects and reconnects with the nick foo. 4. foo sends a private message (and we open a separate tab). 5. foo changes his nick to foobar. 20:07:41 <flo> after 5. we have two identical private IRC conversations. Isn't that likely to mess things up? What's the expected behavior in that case? 20:07:49 <aleth> I think there's a bug for that 20:08:00 <aleth> Hard to fix though. 20:08:19 <flo> aleth: I'm not even sure of what the expected behavior is :) 20:09:03 <aleth> Since we are not informed of the nick change, there isn't much choice ;) 20:09:24 <aleth> bug 1458 20:09:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1458 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, DM conversation partner nick change opens new conversation unless nick is also a participant in some 20:09:30 <clokep_work> flo: I need to re-read that. ;) 20:10:08 <clokep_work> OK, so we have no way of knowing that foobar became foo after the disconnect. 20:10:26 <clokep_work> The case of foo changing nick to foobar...it'd be nice if that could be more gracefully handled. 20:14:29 <clokep_work> aleth: we only use fixAccountName in the oauth stuff, I mean when we set values to the map of username --> user info. 20:16:02 <-- deOmega has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 20:17:04 <aleth> clokep_work: I think the protocol uses the capitalization provided by twitter throughout. The account name is the only one which may be different, and so it is 'fixed'. 20:17:27 <clokep_work> Alright. 20:17:29 <clokep_work> I can mostly buy that. 20:17:43 <aleth> For more info, ask the author of the protocl ;) 20:19:44 <clokep_work> Yeah, yeah. 20:19:59 <clokep_work> OK, in that case. I think the patch mostly looks good. 20:20:03 <clokep_work> I'll try it first though. ;) 20:20:38 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 20:21:02 <aleth> clokep_work: It'll be something to worry about if/when there are other instances where a user provides the capitalization 20:21:19 <clokep_work> aleth: I was worried about Twitter not always returning the same capitalization. :-D 20:22:27 <aleth> heh :D also possible I guess... considering their website ;) 20:23:21 <clokep_work> Yes, exactly. 20:23:40 <aleth> I guess we'll find out, and that will be useful info. 20:55:08 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 20:55:46 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 20:56:25 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 20:56:33 <-- mmkmou has quit (Client exited) 20:59:59 --> Optimizer has joined #instantbird 21:01:10 <-- aleth has quit (Input/output error) 21:01:13 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 21:01:13 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 21:01:28 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.2 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:03:36 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Ping timeout) 21:04:08 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 21:04:33 <-- meh has quit (Quit: I don't want to live on this planet anymore.) 21:30:50 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]) 21:32:09 <-- Optimizer has quit (Ping timeout) 21:52:28 <-- zen_monkey_ has quit (Quit: Saliendo) 21:55:46 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 22:04:03 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 1.1.19/2010030105]) 22:13:00 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 22:38:00 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 22:38:00 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 23:02:08 <instantbot> jamie@nvaccess.org granted feedback for attachment 1863 on bug 1626. 23:02:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1626 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Some screen readers say the word "frame" a lot when moving the selection in the contacts list 23:09:25 <clokep> aleth: Thanks for looking at these "boring" bugs btw. :) 23:09:45 <clokep> (And I haven't noticed people turning back inactive, but I have a feeling that's how it's supposed to work. :-D) 23:11:37 <aleth> It's definitely necessary for non-nightly users who don't restart IB every day ;) 23:12:00 <aleth> We'll have to play with the timespan... maybe 1h is too short 23:14:39 <flo> aleth: what makes you think it's too short? That's I'm inactive now? (well, not any more :-D) 23:15:14 <clokep> Btw is someone "active" when they just join? 23:15:19 <clokep> (And shuld they be, if they're not.) 23:15:21 <aleth> flo: I don't expect it to be too short... but who knows :P 23:15:37 <aleth> clokep: no, joining doesn't make you active. You have to say something 23:15:48 <clokep> aleth: OK, part II now. ;) 23:17:10 <clokep> (Should it?) 23:18:57 <aleth> There is a distinction between "logged on" and "actively participating" which I thought we were trying to capture 23:19:24 <aleth> But I see what you mean... maybe people are more receptive just after joining? 23:19:33 <clokep> Right that's my question. 23:19:38 <clokep> I don't have an answer btw, just a question. :) 23:20:00 <aleth> I don't have an answer other than that it's never bothered me so far 23:20:27 <aleth> "Notify me when xyz logs on" is a different feature (which it would be nice to have in an add-on actually) 23:21:04 <aleth> I'm also a bit concerned about mere disconnect/reconnects marking people active 23:21:16 <aleth> One would have to test for that somehow 23:21:34 <aleth> (otherwise Optimizer is always active ;) ) 23:22:47 <clokep> Ah, that's true. 23:22:51 <clokep> I dhadn't thought of that. 23:24:11 <Mook_as> should he be active if, within the same minute, he says something, disconnects, and rejoins? :p 23:26:06 <aleth> Mook_as: That's actually something I would like to fix. 23:26:55 <aleth> Just haven't filed a bug for it. 23:29:48 <clokep> aleth: I'm going to modify a couple minor things in that patch if you don't mind... 23:30:08 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1683 filed by aletheia2@fastmail.fm. 23:30:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1683 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Restore participants' active status if still appropriate after a reconnect 23:30:15 <aleth> clokep: which one? 23:30:23 <aleth> But sure, feel free... 23:30:50 <clokep> aleth: The Twitter one. 23:36:28 * clokep is waiting for a tweet to come... 23:36:48 <Mook_as> aleth: for the NVDA stuff, can that get away with using https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM/DOM_Mutation_Observers instead? 23:37:56 <clokep> wnayes: Nice GSoC concluding post. :) 23:38:48 <wnayes> clokep: When you mentioned writing a post I remembered I should write one too :) 23:40:06 <aleth> Mook_as: I'll have to look at it. I don't know. FWIW I doubt performance is a real issue in this case. 23:40:31 <clokep> wnayes: I figured as much. should teach me to post without mentioning it first. 23:41:04 <Mook_as> yeah; it's just that _ever_having_ any mutation event listeners turns on code paths that do extra works for every attr set in that document, or something crazy like that 23:41:27 <Mook_as> it's not a high priority, though; getting things to work is higher :) 23:41:43 <aleth> Mook_as: Oh? That's good to know. I wonder if we use any in the convbrowser 23:41:57 * aleth hopes not 23:43:09 <wnayes> I am really thankful for everyone's help this summer and grateful for having the opportunity to work on my project proposal! I feel I learned a lot of practical things that will be useful in upcoming years. :) 23:44:45 <clokep> We really enjoyed having you work on everything! I hope you've learned a lot. And will tell everyone about this awesome IM program called Instantbird. ;) 23:47:16 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 1866 on bug 1666. 23:47:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1666 enh, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Set twitter topic to the user's self-description 23:47:24 <EionRobb> what's instantbird? 23:47:52 <Mook_as> it's this weird pidgin clone 23:48:07 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from aletheia2@fastmail. fm for attachment 1867 on bug 1666. 23:48:20 <EionRobb> oh ok 23:48:26 <EionRobb> I had a pidgin once, but I had to put it down 23:48:29 <EionRobb> it couldn't send files 23:48:48 <aleth> clokep: Have you tried it with including the new text in the system message? I thought it made for a rather long system message... 23:49:06 <Mook_as> I think you're supposed to print it out and tie the result to its leg? 23:49:11 * aleth hopes wnayes won't completely disappear :) 23:49:32 <clokep> aleth: Yes, I did. 23:49:38 <clokep> I think it's nice to know /what/ it was truncated to. 23:50:40 <clokep> aleth: Initially when I did it I went "OK...Well WTF did you set it to?" 23:50:48 <clokep> I understand it's in the topic, but it seems like it shuld be included in the message too. 23:50:58 <aleth> OK, lets go with that then 23:51:25 <clokep> I actually debated whether we shuld even set the message or just refuse. :-/ 23:52:19 * clokep is trying to decide how to resolve bug 1213... 23:52:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1213 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Twitter should always have a topic (based on your last sent tweet) 23:52:42 <aleth> I did as well, but I decided we should mirror the behaviour of IRC and XMPP status etc. 23:53:03 <aleth> It's not like the changed description triggers tweets or anything. 23:53:11 <clokep> Yup. :) 23:53:56 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1213 to INVALID. 23:54:55 <aleth> We use kWhatever for Konstants? reminds me of Klassic KDE Kapps 23:55:36 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm granted review for attachment 1867 on bug 1666. 23:55:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1666 enh, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, Set twitter topic to the user's self-description 23:56:07 <clokep> aleth: It's Mozilla policy, I think. 23:56:34 <aleth> Good to know... I don't think I spotted it in the IB code before. 23:56:52 <flo> aleth: maybe a participant should be active after joining *for the first time*? 23:57:03 <flo> auto-join doesn't mean you are more attentive 23:57:29 <clokep> aleth: I think the other Twitter code uses it... 23:57:58 <clokep> aleth: Yes, http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/twitter/twitter.js#321 23:59:17 <aleth> flo: define "for the first time"? 23:59:42 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1458 on bug 1213. 23:59:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1213 enh, --, ---, clokep, RESO INVALID, Twitter should always have a topic (based on your last sent tweet) 23:59:51 * Mook_as thinks the kFoo stuff came from at least early win32 programming, probably earlier...