#instantbird log on 08 17 2012

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00:33:36 <clokep> wnayes: Sorry I ran away when you started asking questions.
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00:33:43 <clokep> Work got in the way (been very busy the past few weeks...)
00:34:05 <wnayes> clokep: Everything looks like it's working now :)
00:34:26 <wnayes> Just need to go through everything and clean up some nits.
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00:37:17 <clokep> wnayes: Excellent. :)
00:37:31 <clokep> Let me know if you do have other questions.
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00:59:03 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm set the Resolution field on bug 1487 to FIXED.
00:59:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1487 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO FIXED, Update to Mozilla 14
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12:09:14 <Secretss> hi. may i know if there has been any reports of google talk login not working?
12:09:40 <Secretss> my gtalk connects for one second and then disconnects and tries again, and the cycle repeats
12:10:10 <Secretss> eventually i cancel the reconnection and the message is displayed: "Error: Received unexpected data"
12:12:03 <barlas> Secretss: It is working fine for me
12:12:22 <barlas> Secretss: Was it working for you before?
12:12:40 <Secretss> it was working before i updated it to 1.2
12:12:53 <Secretss> it has never worked since 1.2
12:12:54 <Secretss> :(
12:15:23 <barlas> You can try creating a new account and see if that works
12:15:32 <barlas> Maybe account settings were somehow changed
12:17:26 <barlas> Secretss: BTW why do you have two ss in the end? :)
12:17:50 <Secretss> i wanted secrets when i was 13 and hiding secrets from my mom
12:17:56 <Secretss> but secrets was taken at the site i was signing up at
12:17:57 <Secretss> =\
12:18:18 <Secretss> and i've tried deleting the account and readding it, but nope! :(
12:18:26 <Secretss> re-adding*
12:19:16 <barlas> Hmm... no idea then
12:19:19 <Secretss> i guess i'll look for a way to downgrade. bummer coz i really like the improved tab-completion
12:19:31 <barlas> You can hang around and poke the developers when one of the is around
12:19:36 <Secretss> hahah
12:19:53 <barlas> Secretss: You shouldn't have to, I don't think anyone else is having any issue with GTlak.
12:19:58 <barlas> *GTalk
12:21:20 <Secretss> woo found the instantbird bugtracker!
12:24:46 <Secretss> hmm, nothing on gtalk
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12:30:57 <Secretss> hey guess what! i tried another google account and this one works!
12:31:19 <Secretss> i don't know that's a positive turn or just makes me sadder
12:31:45 <clokep_work> Secretss: You could file a bug, if you turn purple.debug.loglevel to like "1" it'll display a lot of debug information (that is helpful) in the error console.
12:31:50 <clokep_work> Just check it for passwords, etc. first.
12:31:57 <Secretss> ohhh
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12:33:34 <Secretss> uhh
12:35:42 <clokep_work> I don't know what that means. :)
12:36:17 <Secretss> i don't know know what /you/ meant >.<
12:36:30 <Secretss> i see a purple.debug.loglevel line in the error console
12:36:57 <Secretss> says ReferenceError: purple is not defined
12:36:57 <Secretss> javascript:%20purple.debug.loglevel
12:38:02 <clokep_work> Secretss: If you don't know what I mean then you need to ask specific questions. ;)
12:38:13 <clokep_work> "purpledebug.loglevel line in the error console"? WHat?
12:38:23 <clokep_work> You need to go into about:config and change the preference.
12:39:49 <Secretss> where do i type "about:config" into?
12:40:19 <clokep_work> Tools > Options > Advanced > "General" tab > "Config Editor..." (bottom right corner of the window)
12:40:40 <Secretss> oooh
12:42:27 <clokep_work> Just like in Firefox and Thunderbird. :)
12:42:44 <Secretss> whoa that's a lot more stuff in the error console
12:43:05 <clokep_work> Yeah...you probably only want to have the one account connect.
12:43:06 <clokep_work> ed
12:43:25 <Secretss> Error: parse-fatal-error: XML Parsing Error: prefix must not be bound to one of the reserved namespace names
12:43:25 <Secretss> Location: about:blank
12:43:25 <Secretss> Line Number 1, Column 9883:
12:43:25 <Secretss> Source File: resource:///modules/xmpp-session.jsm
12:43:25 <Secretss> Line: 189
12:43:25 <Secretss> Source Code: xmpp-session
12:43:31 <clokep_work> Please don't paste them here!
12:43:37 <Secretss> lol
12:43:45 <clokep_work> You can use pastebin.instantbird.org
12:44:54 <Secretss> how can i effectively copy the whole thing?
12:45:02 <Secretss> i can only copy one item at a time
12:45:20 <clokep_work> Yeah, there isn't a way to do the whole thing at once AFAIK. :-/
12:45:33 <clokep_work> You only want the ones that deal w/ XMPP though, obviously.
12:50:22 <Secretss> you don't really need the ones that say transportstatus, do you?
13:01:41 <Secretss> clokep_work: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/63843 is this the right log?
13:02:01 <clokep_work> Looks like it...
13:02:19 <clokep_work> Secretss: Do you have 2-part authentication enabled?
13:02:37 <clokep_work> (Whatever it's called where they text you a pin to log in.)
13:02:45 <Secretss> nope
13:04:48 <clokep_work> I don't know XMPP too well unfortunately. :-D
13:05:20 <clokep_work> Does that include logs from multiple accounts btw?
13:05:34 <Secretss> nope
13:05:53 <Secretss> i cleared the log first and signed out of other accounts
13:06:36 <clokep_work> Cool. Yeah so we don't like the XML we're getting for one reason or another.
13:06:42 <clokep_work> I'd say file a bug.
13:08:02 <clokep_work> And include that as an attachment. (Although you might want to remove your address and your friends addresses first. :))
13:08:17 <Secretss> under Core -> General? or Core -> Debug?
13:09:19 <clokep_work> Core -> XMPP
13:09:29 <clokep_work> (GTalk's protocol is actually XMPP underneath.)
13:09:49 <clokep_work> Sorry I can't help more, the developer that wrote a lot of that code is on vacation this week. :)
13:09:56 <clokep_work> If oyu had questions about IRC I'd be more help! :-D
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13:22:54 <instantbot> New Core - XMPP bug 1653 filed by secretss.x@gmail.com.
13:22:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1653 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Gtalk login failure: Unexpected data received
13:23:18 <Secretss> whoa that was fast
13:26:06 <clokep_work> Thanks Secretss. :)
13:26:15 <Secretss> thank /you/!
13:26:17 <clokep_work> Yeah, instantbot is good like that.
13:26:19 <Secretss> :D
13:26:32 <clokep_work> I'm hoping Florian has some idea of what's up...
13:26:57 <Secretss> it still feels better to have someone talk to you even if it doesn't get solved in 0.412 seconds
13:26:58 <Secretss> :D
13:27:09 <Secretss> i'm going to downgrade and see if it still works on 1.1
13:27:15 <Secretss> bye bye awesome tab-completion :(
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13:28:37 <Secretss> hi~
13:28:46 <Secretss> gtalk works on 1.1
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13:29:24 <Secretss> thanks clokep_work and barlas for talking to me :D
13:29:39 <barlas> Secretss: :)
13:29:47 <clokep_work> Secretss: Well it certainly beats talking to yourself!
13:29:52 <Secretss> lol!
13:30:51 <Secretss> oh btw, is there a note on the timeline to arrange irc participants in order of their owner/op/voice status?
13:37:29 <clokep_work> Secretss: "note on the timeline"?
13:37:38 <clokep_work> Are you referring to a page or...what? :)
13:37:55 <aleth> Secretss: That's been filed as a feature request, yes...
13:38:20 <Secretss> cool :)
13:39:11 <aleth> or you could write an add-on that does it ;)
13:39:37 <clokep_work> Secretss: I think the issue is we don't know how to deal with a good UI for it.
13:40:02 <clokep_work> Often you want to look for people alphabetically (at least in rooms you frequent where you know the people), but if you join a new room you might be looking for ops, etc.
13:40:14 <clokep_work> (Someone also asked for active people to be put at the top...)
13:41:36 <Secretss> good point!
13:43:01 <Secretss> i think mibbit handles the last point ok
13:43:03 <clokep_work> Secretss: bug 210 and bug 1622, respectively.
13:43:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=210 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, nicknames should be sorted by rank on IRC nick list
13:43:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1622 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Filter/sort list of participants by activity
13:43:52 <Secretss> i like this instantbot :P
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14:01:24 <barlas> Secretss: Yeah, he keeps the bugzilla open all the time and let us know if there is any changes :)
14:01:33 <barlas> I wonder if he has any other job too
14:03:30 <aleth> Yeah, he spends the rest of his time disliking C++
14:03:38 <Secretss> hahahah
14:06:53 <clokep_work> He actually gets emails from all bug changes, announces any new bugs, new attachments and closed bugs. He also follows a few RSS feeds and notifies us of changes.
14:06:59 <clokep_work> Plus remembers some random facts.
14:07:03 <clokep_work> instantbot: What is an ami?
14:07:06 <instantbot> clokep_work: Sorry, I've no idea what 'an ami' is.
14:07:09 <instantbot> clokep_work: see ami
14:07:10 <instantbot> clokep_work: firebot knew: um... ami is <literal>The Citroën Ami is a supermini produced by the French automaker Citroën from 1961 to 1978. See a picture at http://ami6.fr/ (or more information at http://en.wiki... (rest /msged)
14:07:32 <clokep_work> Hah, he must have gotten reset at some point...
14:13:50 <Secretss> :o
14:14:30 <Secretss> would it reply if i asked who it is?
14:14:40 <Secretss> instantbot: who are you?
14:14:41 <instantbot> Secretss: I am the bot of the Instantbird Project, see http://www.instantbird.com
14:14:45 <Secretss> :D:D
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15:10:22 <clokep_work> Apparently documentation for sync actually exists: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Firefox_Sync/JavaScript_Client_API
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15:19:02 <aleth> Filelink, not so much.
15:22:41 <clokep_work> Hah, for that you just ask mconley.
15:24:25 <aleth> Heh, I've found that for other things, that if you can only figure out who to ask, you are almost done...
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16:07:59 <aleth> https://dev.twitter.com/blog/changes-coming-to-twitter-api
16:17:06 <aleth> http://www.marco.org/2012/08/16/twitter-api-changes
16:24:16 <dew> bad news bears
16:27:57 <aleth> https://dev.twitter.com/sites/default/files/images_blog/dev_chart.png looks like they called in some consultants ;)
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16:37:05 <dew> meh twitter is highly overrated
16:38:56 <aleth> As far as I'm concerned, it's just another protocol ;)
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17:20:53 <clokep_work> aleth: I don't think any of those changes are iessues...?
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17:55:46 <aleth> clokep_work: I only skimmed it, but I didn't see any big issue either since we have less than 100000 users
17:56:22 <aleth> A lot of it is very vague though (possibly intentionally so)
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18:13:15 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes. They like to be a PITA. :)
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18:16:00 <aleth> groovecoder|afk: I see you managed to update to 1.2 :)
18:16:17 <deOmega> good  day.  just wanted to report no outage with twitter so far today
18:16:19 <deOmega> version 1.3a1pre (20120817043010)
18:17:38 <clokep_work> deOmega: Excellent! Maybe it really was a server issue.
18:17:54 <clokep_work> If you have no problems for another few days / week whatever we can blame them and call it a aday. :)
18:18:36 <deOmega> right :).. but  puzzling that  it worked fine  on teh othe rclient
18:18:50 <clokep_work> Maybe they connect differently or something.
18:18:56 <clokep_work> The networking stack is different obv.
18:19:05 <deOmega> ah, ok
18:19:13 <deOmega> good pioint
18:19:32 <groovecoder|afk> aleth: it was my bro's computer with the old version :)
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18:20:08 * clokep_work just wants to blame twitter because our code is perfect. ;)
18:20:20 <deOmega> the connect differently aspect  being  the good point.
18:21:36 <aleth> There will soon be a lot of TB users testing that code as well ;)
18:21:44 * clokep_work is scared for his IRC code.
18:22:10 <aleth> clokep_work: You are worried there are really weird servers out there?
18:22:20 <clokep_work> aleth: Precisely.
18:22:28 <clokep_work> Like an IRCX server or some shit.
18:22:54 <deOmega> clokep_work: lol.  Well, i will tell you this much..
18:23:25 <deOmega> it has been absolutely frustrating because i have grown quite accustome dto IB... and i went through all of the  messengers out there
18:23:30 <deOmega> and i mean  ALL of them
18:24:07 <clokep_work> deOmega: I understand. :( I'm sorry I don't have a better solution!
18:24:10 <deOmega> I still have a hard time  understand how windows users are not flocking to IB, because,  the others
18:24:31 <aleth> I thought IRCX was part of MSN chat :-/
18:24:40 <deOmega> they are just not as straightforward and  to be honest. polished as IB
18:24:45 <aleth> Never realized it was actually based on IRC
18:25:01 <deOmega> polished from an appearance and ease of use standpoint
18:26:25 <deOmega> I appreciate it clokep.. and I know if you  guys knew it wodu be handled.  was just  frustrating.. nothing against you guys
18:27:04 <deOmega> I am just saying it  made me realize .. again,.. just how  far IB has come
18:27:34 <clokep_work> aleth: IRCX is an extension of IRC, yes. There's actually an RFC for it!
18:27:45 <deOmega> the other programs do a lot of things, but do not do them very well, at least imo
18:27:57 <aleth> deOmega: There may indeed be an actual issue, in which case hopefully we can get to the bottom of it in some way...
18:27:59 * clokep_work was surprised that the file xfer bug was just filed today for TB.
18:28:18 <aleth> clokep_work: :D
18:38:34 <clokep_work> aleth: Did you see it? I actually give a legit response of what work needs to be done?
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18:57:51 <aleth> clokep_work: No, what's the bug number?
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19:01:36 <clokep_work> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783477 aleth
19:01:41 <clokep_work> Good evening flo!
19:01:54 <flo> hello :)
19:02:03 <aleth> clokep_work: Thanks! (ah, no 'transfer' in the title)
19:02:15 <aleth> hi flo :) bored with holidays? ;)
19:02:16 * flo is back after driving 1500km with the AMI and taking 850+ photos
19:05:07 <clokep_work> Nice. :)
19:05:40 <aleth> clokep_work: Nice summary! I think one could stress that "implementing Filelink as a fallback" would also be acceptable without implementing anything to fall back from ;)
19:05:42 <aleth> imho.
19:06:25 <clokep_work> Maybe.
19:06:38 <aleth> As long as the structure of the code is such that it is implemented as a fallback.
19:07:03 <aleth> (So that if someone then adds XEP code, that slots in nicely)
19:08:19 <clokep_work> Fair enough.
19:08:30 <clokep_work> Or if the protocol just doesn't support it. ;)
19:08:51 <aleth> clokep_work: Yeah, I just suspect it's quite rare that both sender and receiver are using file-transfer-capable XMPP...
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20:03:11 <clokep> aleth: Yes, I should have been more explicit.
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20:11:59 <deOmega> clokep:  there has been a lot of requests for side tabs in  the other programs i tried..  and pidgin has them but  the are not adjustable.. so you did well. thanks again.
20:12:14 <deOmega> have a great weekend folks
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20:13:03 <clokep> Thanks!
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20:19:53 <clokep> aleth: Btw I think this would interest you http://www.glazman.org/weblog/dotclear/index.php?post/2012/08/13/Add-ons-and-Powered-by-Mozilla-Applications
20:19:58 <clokep> Not sure if you read glazou's blog.
20:20:54 <aleth> clokep: thanks... I only check planet very occasionally.
20:22:12 <clokep> Yup yup, I had left a comment btw
20:22:58 <aleth> Nice idea... it would be even nicer if it could launch the correct app and install it ;)
20:23:59 <aleth> ah, I see that's in the comments...
20:26:27 <clokep> ::)
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21:01:39 <flo> aleth: any idea of the cause of bug 1649?
21:01:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1649 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make logs less fragile under incorrect shutdowns
21:02:23 <aleth> No. I find it puzzling :-S
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21:03:10 <aleth> But I haven't spent any time really investigating it either.
21:03:23 <flo> was this on linux?
21:03:27 <aleth> Yes.
21:03:39 <flo> if you cat the log file before the application is close, is it empty?
21:03:46 <flo> *closed
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21:05:02 <aleth> no
21:05:14 <aleth> Hence the puzzle.
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21:08:44 * clokep has his Thunderbird t-shirt on. ;)
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21:12:43 <flo> clokep: anybody noticed it and asked where you got it? :)
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21:15:36 <clokep> flo: Well considering I'm the only one in my apartment...no. ;)
21:15:47 <clokep> Maybe later. :)
21:15:57 <clokep> Most of my friends know of / use Instantbird.
21:16:26 <flo> clokep: oh, I thought you went to work wearing it :)
21:16:45 <clokep> flo: I wear business casual to work unfortunately.
21:17:01 <aleth> coding in a tie?
21:17:03 <flo> :(
21:17:32 <clokep> No tie.
21:17:42 <aleth> small mercies I guess ;)
21:17:55 * clokep doesn't work for some hippie software company. ;)
21:19:05 <clokep> Although I wish I did sometimes. :p
21:19:39 <flo> clokep: IRC typing notifications in the roadmap? :-S
21:19:46 <flo> clokep: I thought you didn't know any spec to do that
21:19:52 <clokep> flo: I don't. ;)
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21:24:23 <clokep> (Also, I kind of just threw stuff on the roadmap without caring too much.)
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21:25:44 <dew> yeah
21:25:49 <dew> that confused me as well clokep
21:26:02 <clokep> dew: What confused you about it?
21:26:36 <dew> didn't know those existed for IRC
21:26:59 <dew> ALSO
21:27:04 <dew> where do I get a thunderbird shirt
21:27:30 <aleth> dew: you write some serious patches, I guess ;)
21:28:22 <dew> I'm about to if I can get motivated enough
21:28:34 <dew> sync is sorely missing
21:28:45 <dew> instantbird needs it too, for settings and accounts
21:28:53 <aleth> We'd like sync for Instantbird too.
21:28:59 <dew> not sure about logs as they might be too much
21:29:17 <dew> unless we are talking using personal sync servers
21:29:45 <aleth> I think the idea was to put the logs in a filelink location and only sync the rest of the profile.
21:30:07 <dew> yes that's a great idea
21:30:15 <dew> sync them with spideroak ;d
21:30:34 <dew> I really want to like them better than dropbox but their program hangs too much :/
21:30:50 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from aletheia2@fastmail. fm for attachment 1813 on bug 1638.
21:30:52 <dew> they need the mozilla snappy team to teach them a thing or two ;)
21:30:54 <aleth> yes...
21:30:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1638 maj, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, update Instantbird F.A.Q.
21:31:09 <clokep> SkyDrive anyone? ;)
21:31:13 <aleth> Different use case to dropbox though.
21:31:30 <dew> yeah don't mind the others
21:31:39 <dew> just seems dropbox has made too many security blunders
21:32:10 <dew> well time to commute an hour to get home :(
21:32:13 <aleth> You can't use it for backup really.
21:32:35 <aleth> clokep: SkyDrive is Windows-only ;)
21:33:36 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm granted review for attachment 1813 on bug 1638.
21:33:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1638 maj, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, update Instantbird F.A.Q.
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