#instantbird log on 08 05 2012

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00:10:48 <instant-buildbot> build #289 of win32-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/289
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01:36:37 <instant-buildbot> build #269 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/269
01:37:12 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1789 on bug 1524.
01:37:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1524 nor, --, ---, florian, NEW, Moving a JS-XMPP buddy from a tag to another should work and save this change on the server
01:40:56 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 1618 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
01:40:57 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1790 on bug 1618.
01:40:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1618 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tags are never really removed from contacts
01:42:54 <flo> debugging that tag mess gave me such an headache :(
02:41:25 <instant-buildbot> build #581 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/581
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04:15:28 <instant-buildbot> build #666 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/666
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04:31:16 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 1789 on bug 1524.
04:31:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1524 nor, --, ---, florian, NEW, Moving a JS-XMPP buddy from a tag to another should work and save this change on the server
04:32:37 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 1790 on bug 1618.
04:32:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1618 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tags are never really removed from contacts
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06:08:38 <instant-buildbot> build #573 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/573
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12:07:41 <clokep> flo: Ithink your evaluation is correct.
12:07:56 <clokep> I've never seen that behavior personally (I probably don't try to change tags often), but that would be EXTREMELY frustrating.
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13:20:25 <flo> how do we feel about http://crash-stats.instantbird.com/query/query?version=Instantbird%3A1.2a1pre&date=&range_value=1&range_unit=weeks&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query=&build_id=&process_type=all&do_query=1 ?
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14:10:54 * flo reads http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0071.html
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15:01:44 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 1791 on bug 1231.
15:01:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1231 nor, --, 1.2, florian, NEW, 'Display Formatting of incoming messages', not implemented in JS-XMPP
15:02:09 * flo hopes clokep reappears soon.
15:02:52 <flo> the patch is quite straight forward so I may start working on an building RC and let him review post-landing.
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15:41:07 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/428d3629a9d2 - Florian Quèze - Bug 1618 - Tags are never really removed from contacts, r=clokep.
15:41:08 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/4df52d793c89 - Florian Quèze - Set version number to 1.2, change default revisions in client.py and add shipped-locales.
15:41:09 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/e3147073a9ba - Florian Quèze - Bump the version number to 1.3a1pre for nightlies.
15:41:10 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/600d4b3e2af9 - Florian Quèze - Bug 1524 - Moving a JS-XMPP buddy from a tag to another should work and save this change on the server, r=clokep.
15:41:11 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/4133cec9379f - Florian Quèze - Bug 1231 - JS-XMPP should display HTML messages.
15:43:49 <instant-buildbot> build #303 of linux-onCommit is complete: Exception [exception]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/303  blamelist: Florian Qu?ze <florian@instantbird.org>
15:43:51 <instant-buildbot> build #270 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Exception [exception]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/270  blamelist: Florian Qu?ze <florian@instantbird.org>
15:43:53 <instant-buildbot> build #290 of win32-onCommit is complete: Exception [exception]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/290  blamelist: Florian Qu?ze <florian@instantbird.org>
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15:58:52 <Mic> Hi
16:11:03 <flo> Mic: hello :)
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16:12:40 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1619 filed by benediktp@ymail.com.
16:12:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1619 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [DE] Korrekturen an der Download-Seite (corrections for the download page)
16:14:21 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com requested review from the wind for attachment 1792 on bug 1619.
16:14:35 <Mic> pffff...
16:15:51 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com requested review from bugi@media.fjmail.d e for attachment 1792 on bug 1619.
16:15:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1619 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, [DE] Korrekturen an der Download-Seite (corrections for the download page)
16:17:13 <Mic> Bugzilla happily suggests possible matches when entering a partial name for the CC list but fails when doing so for a review :(
16:18:26 <flo> wow, why are the build slaves cloning mozilla-release :(
16:20:52 <instant-buildbot> build #0 of win32-release-1.2 is complete: Failure [failed shell_2]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-release-1.2/builds/0
16:21:40 <flo> pfff
16:24:11 <instant-buildbot> build #1 of win32-release-1.2 is complete: Failure [failed shell_2]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-release-1.2/builds/1
16:29:00 <Mic> bye
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17:14:53 <instant-buildbot> build #0 of linux-release-1.2 is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-release-1.2/builds/0
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17:42:43 <flo> the linux 1.2 rc is ready, if any one wants to start testing it :)
17:50:26 <flo> so, who's on linux here? vicnet maybe? :)
17:53:54 <vicnet> flo: yep, getting i
17:53:58 <vicnet> it*
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18:05:08 <flo> vicnet: found the link on the server? :)
18:06:26 <vicnet> I can't find it XD
18:07:26 <flo> so you got it, restarted, by couldn't find the link? :-S
18:07:31 <flo> *but
18:08:01 <flo> vicnet: http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/1.2-candidates/2012-08-05-18-instantbird/
18:08:17 <vicnet> I used the updater in IB, that's why I restarted…
18:08:55 <vicnet> thanks
18:09:04 <flo> hmm, my ubuntu started with an horrible looking GTK theme, don't know why :-S
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18:12:21 <vicnet> flo: alright, NOW I got it :)
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18:14:55 <flo1> http://i.imgur.com/LeF9o.png
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19:19:35 <aleth> 1.2rc :)
19:20:33 <aleth> easy to tell because all add-ons are disabled ;)
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19:22:27 <aleth> Something is odd though: e.g. https://minus.com/mbfPRWmfvw/1f
19:23:19 <aleth> I wonder if that's IB or something else changing the way fonts are handled
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19:33:01 <flo> aleth: what's strange with fonts?
19:33:29 <aleth> Probably nothing to do with IB... but look at the exclamation marks
19:34:06 <aleth> They didn't look like 'l's last time I checked...
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19:53:05 <aleth> Yup, not an IB issue.
19:54:20 <aleth> (The only IB thing I could think of that could do it would have been some moz14 change anyway...)
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20:03:27 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1620 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
20:03:28 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested review from the wind for attachment 1793 on bug 1620.
20:03:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1620 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, If the external protocol service is misconfigured, the thanks page shouldn't load inside the about d
20:04:53 <flo> that patch is trivial, anybody can review it ;)
20:05:11 <flo> aleth, clokep, Mic, whoever looks at it and feel confident about it first
20:08:51 <instantbot> aletheia2@fastmail.fm granted review for attachment 1788 on bug 1338.
20:08:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1338 nor, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, Connect button is disabled after an account spends more than half a second in the disconnecting stat
20:30:37 <instantbot> mook.moz+bugs.instantbird@gmail.com granted review for attachment 1793 on bug 1620.
20:30:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1620 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, If the external protocol service is misconfigured, the thanks page shouldn't load inside the about d
20:30:41 <Mook> muahahahaha
20:33:49 <flo> Mook: <3
20:34:29 <Mook> given that I haven't done much, no hard feelings if you don't like my r+ either :p
20:36:54 <flo> Mook: I like anybody spending time to look at our code and help us improve it!
20:37:11 <flo> :)
20:37:25 <Mook> oh, yeah, I meant that more as "haven't worked hard enough to consider myself as a peer, so probably can't give r+s, but I don't think you care" :p
20:38:25 <flo> doesn't mozilla have a policy these days saying the a module owner or peer can request reviews from non-peers and treat them as valid?
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20:39:40 <Mook> hmm, not sure, haven't been following close enough. but it sounds reasonable.
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20:41:06 <flo> Instantbird policies don't have to match Mozilla's exactly and aren't even written anyway :)
20:41:57 <Mook> you can write it down now! "whatever happens, happens", or some such :D
20:42:01 <flo> Mook: is "Always prevent the default action even if loading fails, to avoid replacing the current document with an external page." to your liking as a comment?
20:42:12 <Mook> sounds good!
20:42:23 <Mook> (it just needed to say something, anything)
20:42:44 <Mook> well, anything on-topic. "kittens are cute" isn't quite it...
20:42:50 <flo> Mook: I think the rules would be "do whatever makes most sense; if in doubt ask flo to double check it indeed makes sense." ;)
20:43:13 <Mook> sounds good. works even better if you like talking to yourself ;)
20:43:45 <flo> Mook: in my case it would be "if in doubt ask around and sleep on it" ;)
20:44:29 <flo> I'm replacing "fails" by "throws"
20:45:05 <flo> so it looks like this now: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/58947
20:45:07 <Mook> try { ... stuff ... } finally { event.preventDeafult(); } would also have been acceptable, but there's no need to add spammy lines, I guess
20:45:25 <Mook> A++++ would r again
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21:10:13 <flo> that would have been a perfect use case for try/finally, yes :)
21:10:34 <flo> but it adds more lines for no real benefit (except slightly improved code readability)
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21:58:17 <flo> the mac rc is being uploaded now.
21:59:04 <flo> there's 1.14GB to upload, it's sloooow :(
22:00:19 <flo> there's no way it can upload that from the connection here in less than the 7200s timeout.
22:04:44 <flo> iirc after the timeout builbot pretends it has killed the process, but the upload actually continues and finishes
22:05:00 <flo> but when the nightly will start (4am I think) buildbot will rm -rf the folder :-S.
22:05:09 <flo> maybe I should disable nightlies in buildbot until we have released.
22:05:50 <Mook> what do you upload with? rsync?
22:07:06 <flo> scp
22:07:36 <flo> and we never found a way to make scp print a line in the log after each file (that would prevent buildbot from timeouting)
22:10:59 <flo> is rsync a drop in replacement for scp with a line printed after each file? :)
22:11:41 <Mook> I don't think it's that drop-in (it needs different arguments), but I believe it can print progress
22:12:13 <Mook> also, scp -vv seems to spew more
22:12:21 <Mook> (rcvd adjust messages)
22:14:20 * Mook doesn't know how well rsync works from windows
22:15:27 <flo> scp prints a line for each file when running in a tty
22:15:37 <flo> but it seems to shutup when it's in a script
22:15:59 <Mook> yeah, I'm testing with scp | cat
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22:18:12 <flo> is scp -vv doing what we need? I thought we tried it already last year without success :-S
22:23:32 <Mook> I tested SCPing to localhost, your mileage may vary? :p
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22:41:14 <flo> most files are very similar with just different localized strings inside. I wonder how much bandwidth it would save to make a solid archive before sending, and to unpack when the files arrive
22:48:31 <flo> Mook: do you know a compression format that would help for that? (.tar.gz doesn't help at all)
22:54:18 <flo> just looked at https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ib1-2-releasenotes-wip2 again.
22:54:26 <flo> the first thing listed is "passwords are encrypted".
22:54:41 <flo> sounds completely boring. Is there really no interesting feature we added for 1.2? :(
22:55:13 <flo> if there is, can we talk about something awesome in the first 2 or 3 points of the release notes, and only after that mention the minor improvements that nobody would notice if we hadn't listed them?
22:55:26 <Mook> sadly, I don't think you can list single-window interface in tbird, because I find that awesome ;)
22:55:49 <flo> as is, it feels like we did nothing in ten months, and it's a bit depressing :-/.
22:56:01 <Mook> the UI improvements such as the unread marker is probably more interesting, yeah
22:56:25 <flo> yeah, the unread marker, the awesome completion that just works, the difference between active/inactive participants in chat rooms.
22:56:36 <flo> all of these are much more interesting than encrypted passwords
22:56:57 <EionRobb> ft
22:57:15 <flo> "what's new? IRC is dramatically more usable thanks to a complete rewrite of the protocol plugin and lots of nice enhancements of the chat room UI" sounds like a better start to me.
22:57:26 <flo> but then some people may not care about IRC
22:57:52 <flo> EionRobb: come on, release notes are not a time for complaints about future possible features ;).
22:57:58 <EionRobb> :P
22:58:03 <flo> EionRobb: keep that for the roadmap discussions that are inevitably coming soon ;)
22:58:14 <EionRobb> that's for the comments section of said release notes, right? :P
22:58:38 <flo> EionRobb: no comments for the release notes. They are localizable and on the main website.
22:58:51 <flo> EionRobb: the release announcement on the blog can have comments of course, but it's not the same thing
22:59:25 <Mook> hey, it's still better than any songbird release blog post. "where's linux support?" :D
23:10:51 <flo> good night
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