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03:38:00 <DGMurdockIII> Instantbird looks quite nice though, worth considering, but again how's it's integration with Gnome? 
03:38:18 <DGMurdockIII> for a new linux os in the work asking that
03:38:45 <DGMurdockIII> i';; post back on there forum if you tell how the intagration is
03:38:56 <DGMurdockIII> i'll
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13:55:50 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1784 on bug 1435.
13:55:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1435 nor, --, ---, clokep, NEW, Block updates from Instantbird 1.1 to 1.2 for Windows 2000 and Windows XP < SP2 users
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13:59:12 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 1782 on bug 1614.
13:59:13 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1785 on bug 1614.
13:59:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1614 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Update the credits for Instantbird 1.2
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14:18:14 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 1617 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
14:18:15 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1786 on bug 1617.
14:18:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1617 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Set minimum required OS version for Mac builds
14:19:41 <clokep> Hopefully some of these are useful. :)
14:23:19 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 1783 on bug 1524.
14:23:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1524 nor, --, ---, florian, NEW, Moving a JS-XMPP buddy from a tag to another should work and save this change on the server
14:39:08 <flo> clokep: have you tested the Win7 changes of bug 1435?
14:39:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1435 nor, --, ---, clokep, NEW, Block updates from Instantbird 1.1 to 1.2 for Windows 2000 and Windows XP < SP2 users
14:39:25 <clokep> flo: I built an installer and it seemed to work fine.
14:39:43 <clokep> I wasn't sure exactly what to test for, but it installed OK, everything ran and uninstalled.
14:39:55 <flo> have you understood the reason why these changes were made, and checked that specific feature works?
14:40:31 <flo> I think it's about generating different hashes so that 2 instantbirds installed in different directories have a dock icon for each, or something like that
14:40:50 <clokep> I understood most of them, I didn't try installing it into a second directory.
14:40:57 <clokep> (But yes, that's what it's doing.)
14:42:13 <flo> I don't want to put my nose deep into nsis stuff again (once was already enough to hate it) so I'll trust your judgment for it (I don't see anything wrong with a quick glance over the patch)
14:43:07 <clokep> When I did the upgrade from the nightly it did use the same dock icon (which, I believe, did not happen previous times I had built the installer locally).
14:43:50 <clokep> I thought that was a positive sign. ;)
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15:28:49 <flo> things are looking quite good now. 3 likely-r+ patches to review, one difficult patch to review, one patch to finish/debug, and one patch to write.
15:29:12 <flo> I've got some errands to do and then I'll focus on that list again :)
15:31:55 <clokep> Yup! Looks good.
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17:57:04 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 1784 on bug 1435.
17:57:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1435 nor, --, ---, clokep, NEW, Block updates from Instantbird 1.1 to 1.2 for Windows 2000 and Windows XP < SP2 users
17:58:58 <flo> is anybody preparing a patch against the website repository for the release notes?
17:59:10 <flo> or do we still need to proof-read together the content of the etherpad?
17:59:28 <flo> (editing after things have been splitted to localizable strings is tedious)
17:59:58 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 1785 on bug 1614.
18:00:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1614 tri, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Update the credits for Instantbird 1.2
18:02:28 <clokep> flo: I think it needs to be proof-read again.
18:03:57 * flo likes clokep's patches that can just be imported without having to fix paths or think about a commit message :)
18:04:07 <flo> even more when there's already the r= in it and I don't have to edit anything :)
18:05:38 <flo> after applying the patch from bug 1617, my build still starts, is that enough testing?
18:05:39 <flo> :)
18:05:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1617 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Set minimum required OS version for Mac builds
18:05:52 <clokep> :) I usually put it if I definitely know who's going to be reviewing it.
18:06:19 <clokep> flo: I have no idea if that patch even works. I just figured it'd save you time to import a patch and start a build instead of trying to find the same file as c-c and applying the patch manually!
18:06:42 <flo> yeah, it was a nice surprise :)
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18:08:36 * flo crashed his debug instantbird :-S
18:12:11 <clokep> :-/
18:12:44 <flo> I'm wondering if we need 10.5.0 or 10.5 there
18:13:16 <clokep> I think the c-c one is 10.5, unless I did a bad job of copying it. :(
18:15:15 * flo would like to know why Firefox hangs for 10s every 2s
18:15:20 <flo> makes interacting with it quite difficult :(
18:16:24 <flo> if I change the file to 10.6.0 instead of the 10.5.0 you had in your patch, I crash with http://pastebin.instantbird.com/58267 as the stack
18:16:46 <flo> the Firefox changeset is http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f4841bfd718a
18:17:34 <flo> but the Tb one is http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/20144730e2b7
18:18:26 <clokep> :-S
18:20:08 <flo> so I think the crash is Mac OS X killing the process because the app info is incorrect, but I'm starting the application from the command line. If the user started it from the dock or a double click on the .app file, I believe there would be an error message.
18:23:26 <flo> anyway, I don't think we can do better than that patch.
18:24:02 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 1786 on bug 1617.
18:24:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1617 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Set minimum required OS version for Mac builds
18:24:56 <flo> when starting the application from the finder with a double click, the crash stack is a bit different, but it still crashes :-/ http://pastebin.instantbird.com/58278
18:25:31 <flo> it's possibly because Mac OS X has a cache for the app info and didn't refresh it after my recompile though (I remember changing the icon of a .app doesn't work correctly after just a recompile for exactly that reason).
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18:28:03 <clokep> Ah, that's interesting.
18:29:53 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/9aefe3726ef8 - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1614 - Update the credits for Instantbird 1.2, r=fqueze.
18:29:54 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/53da52bca6f6 - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1435 - Improve the Windows 7 support in the installer, and set the minimum compatible version to Windows XP SP2, r=fqueze.
18:29:55 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/357d4fbaf1dc - Patrick Cloke - Bug 1617 - Set minimum required OS version for Mac builds, r=fqueze.
18:53:25 <instant-buildbot> build #301 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/301
18:54:06 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1614 to FIXED.
18:54:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1614 tri, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, Update the credits for Instantbird 1.2
18:55:37 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 1617 to FIXED.
18:55:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1617 tri, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, Set minimum required OS version for Mac builds
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20:02:18 <instant-buildbot> build #288 of win32-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/288
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20:39:31 <DGMurdockIII> There are some things that Digsby does more nicely than Adium, in my opinion...  The social network feeds especially
20:40:32 <DGMurdockIII> from a recent commont on digsby blog when they announced they where making it open source 
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20:41:06 <DGMurdockIII> i agree with that comment
20:42:42 <DGMurdockIII> http://blog.digsby.com/archives/1947/
20:50:19 <clokep> OK?
20:50:26 <clokep> Why do we care what it does better than Adium? :P
20:51:09 <DGMurdockIII> you dont but it basicly saying the same think as it better than instant bird
20:51:19 <DGMurdockIII> you dont but it basicly saying the same think as it better than instantbird
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20:52:26 <DGMurdockIII> please don't start im not in the mood to to tell help you use your brain a littel
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20:54:23 <clokep> Uhh....OK....
20:54:28 <clokep> I don't really see how it's obvious at all though.
20:54:35 <clokep> We don't have a social network feed at all.
20:54:45 <DGMurdockIII> if I agreed with that comment dont you think i now that adium is not instantbird but i have use digsby a nouch to know that it dose do a better job with those stufff but
20:54:56 <DGMurdockIII> yes
20:54:59 <clokep> Usually it's better to give specifics of how something is better as well, what exact features does it have, etc.
20:55:17 <clokep> There's like 500 comments on that page btw.
20:55:18 <DGMurdockIII> i cant do that
20:56:05 <DGMurdockIII> only reason i will not tell you what features it has is becse digsby has a page on there site that list them
20:56:12 <DGMurdockIII> so it allready done for me
20:56:33 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.digsby.com/features.php
20:56:49 <DGMurdockIII> look at social networking
20:57:17 <DGMurdockIII> Set your Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn status right from Digsby.
20:57:31 <DGMurdockIII> The social network InfoBox gives you a real time NewsFeed of what your friends are up to. Everything from new photos, to status updates, to upcoming birthdays is just a click away.
20:57:31 <flo> if anybody is curious the photos or what happened to the AMI this morning are in http://queze.net/goinfre/mamie/revision-2012-08-04/
20:57:45 <DGMurdockIII> AMI?
20:58:18 <DGMurdockIII> Receive alerts of events such as new friend requests, messages, group invites, etc.
20:58:31 <DGMurdockIII> Stay up to date with everything happening on your Facebook, Twitter, MySpace and LinkedIn accounts.
20:58:46 <DGMurdockIII> there do you that the stuff it dose better
20:58:49 <DGMurdockIII> happy now 
20:58:54 <clokep> No.
20:59:07 <clokep> The features don't mean, but /how/ you do them is what makes an application great.
20:59:19 <flo> DGMurdockIII: continue to talk disrespectfully to clokep and I kick you out, ok?
21:00:00 <clokep> "The features don't mean" doesn't make sense, but uhh...I mean the featureset itself isn't as important as how you implement the features.
21:00:26 <clokep> (Like Pidgin "supports file transfer", but only half way...so that's a worse user experience, in my mind, then not supporting them at all.)
21:01:06 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: It's generally considered rude to send private messages on IRC w/o asking first, and please don't call me names. :)
21:01:20 <DGMurdockIII> if pidgin support filetransfer half way then wouldent that men ever file you sent only get sent 50% then stop
21:01:26 <DGMurdockIII> please make sence
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21:02:42 <flo> DGMurdockIII: at this point I think you just need to apologies and leave for the day.
21:02:44 <DGMurdockIII> i did not call u a jerk your being a jerk about the this think you do the same thing ever thime i bring it up yjat why im asking you to stop
21:03:34 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: No, I mean that it only works half the time (so you'd get the whole file or nothing, half the time each).
21:03:35 <DGMurdockIII> i gave you more info than i said i would now if you want more i can find a video for you 
21:03:38 <flo> clokep: sending insulting private messages could be a good way to advocate for a blocking feature though ;).
21:03:40 <clokep> It doesn't work very well through NAT, IIRC.
21:03:48 <flo> arg, auto-scroll bug *again*
21:04:03 <clokep> flo: I thought that was fixed? :-/
21:04:06 <flo> ah, I'm not on the latest nightly, there's hope :)
21:04:36 <clokep> And yes, blocking we should add at some point...although I was very tempted to work on the IRC specific participants binding extension today...
21:04:50 <DGMurdockIII> flo: fuck u for that blocking comment iv been asking for that for a long time dont you even think about making a irc only one 
21:05:26 <flo> clokep: you mean the add-on to have a UI to kick people out? :)
21:05:28 <DGMurdockIII> irc blocking is not neede as there allready is stuff built i  to the irc spect
21:05:33 <DGMurdockIII> spec*
21:05:46 <clokep> I don't think there is.
21:05:49 <DGMurdockIII> ingnor command
21:05:57 <flo> "23:04:51 - DGMurdockIII: flo: fuck u […]" I give you one minute to apology before you are banned.
21:06:14 <clokep> I mean, there's stuff to ban people from servers / rooms, but not to block private messages...
21:06:37 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.geekshed.net/2012/04/how-to-block-private-messages-pms/
21:06:58 <DGMurdockIII> there is how you do it
21:07:08 <DGMurdockIII> now dont tell me im not help full
21:08:22 <DGMurdockIII> ok im sorry but 
21:09:04 <DGMurdockIII> but iv been asking for blocking feature for 2 year now i start asking rude in a PM you are going to look in to doing it 
21:09:07 <DGMurdockIII> that not right
21:09:57 <DGMurdockIII> and IRC for instantbird should not be a be piroitey anymore
21:10:27 <DGMurdockIII> instantbird is not and i say not a IRC client i happens to have irc built in
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21:15:55 <clokep> Hmm....so seems that user mode +D is an extension, it's not standard (and I doubt moznet supports it).
21:16:08 * clokep should actually figure out the feature set moznet supports at some point...
21:16:55 <flo> I think I'll propose to unban him tomorrow if he asks nicely, and the first time he does when joining again is apologize here for his behavior today.
21:17:44 <clokep> flo: Do I need to change a bundle's ID thing for the website when updating it?
21:18:04 <flo> probably
21:18:11 <flo> are there strings that need to change?
21:18:20 <flo> the min OS version should be a %S :-S
21:18:25 <clokep> Oh....wait those aren't even localized.
21:18:43 <clokep> Can I consider that out of the scope of that bug? :-D
21:19:20 <flo> just put a note in the etherpad in the website list of todo items so that we do it when finishing the website changes
21:22:00 <clokep> Done.
21:22:01 <clokep> And patch up.
21:22:07 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 1787 on bug 1435.
21:22:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1435 nor, --, ---, clokep, NEW, Block updates from Instantbird 1.1 to 1.2 for Windows 2000 and Windows XP < SP2 users
21:23:48 <flo> should that be SP2 or more? :(
21:23:51 <flo> SP3 is also supported
21:24:04 <flo> would SP2+ be even more confusing?
21:24:19 <clokep> It is listed as "Minimum system requirements"
21:25:18 <clokep> (I also debated between "SP 2" and "SP2" btw.)
21:26:49 <flo> and Windows 8?
21:29:27 <clokep> It's not officially released yet (everything seems to run OK on it, although installing is a bit sketchy...)
21:29:31 <clokep> So I'm hesitant to say we support it.
21:30:05 <flo> if it's not localized we can change that easily later anyway
21:30:32 <clokep> True. :)
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21:38:34 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 1787 on bug 1435.
21:38:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1435 nor, --, ---, clokep, NEW, Block updates from Instantbird 1.1 to 1.2 for Windows 2000 and Windows XP < SP2 users
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21:56:37 <flo> this looks a little bit stupid: http://i.imgur.com/DUBVF.png
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22:04:49 <clokep> flo: Yes, that looks bad. :-/
22:05:01 <clokep> Maybe we need to remove the string from IRC?
22:05:30 <flo> why?
22:05:58 <flo> I don't know what caused the IRC string to appear. What could have sent something to your nick to the server without me noticing?
22:06:47 <flo> I think bug 1236 is r+ without modification :)
22:06:47 <clokep> Am I on your buddy list?
22:06:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1236 nor, --, 1.2, nobody, NEW, JSON log viewer conversation bubbles all have the same colour for libpurple IM conversations
22:06:59 <flo> yes
22:07:07 <clokep> Then you're notified on moznet when I log off. ;)
22:07:15 <clokep> Via WATCH.
22:07:26 <flo> uh
22:07:45 <clokep> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/irc/ircWatchMonitor.jsm#193
22:07:51 <flo> I thought it was the error message saying (in most cases) that something we sent couldn't be delivered
22:09:26 <clokep> No. It was me actually signing off.
22:09:32 * clokep is trying to find a sushi restaurant right now. ;)
22:11:51 <flo> I thought it was only from http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/irc/ircBase.jsm#1012
22:13:43 <clokep> Nope.
22:14:27 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 1543 on bug 1236.
22:14:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1236 nor, --, 1.2, nobody, NEW, JSON log viewer conversation bubbles all have the same colour for libpurple IM conversations
22:15:12 <flo> I still don't see how the code you pointed to could do it
22:15:12 <clokep> Anyway, I need to go again. :)
22:15:21 <flo> it calls requestBuddyInfo but only if the status is AWAY
22:15:30 <flo> which isn't the case if you are offline, right?
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22:30:50 <flo> the patch from bug 1236 doesn't apply. Almost sure it was hand edited.
22:30:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1236 nor, --, 1.2, nobody, NEW, JSON log viewer conversation bubbles all have the same colour for libpurple IM conversations
22:31:05 <flo> anyway, I applied the problematic change by hand
22:40:07 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/70243c558e3b - aleth - Bug 1236 - JSON log viewer conversation bubbles should have the same colors as when the conversation happened, r=fqueze.
22:41:25 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1236 to FIXED.
22:41:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1236 nor, --, 1.2, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, JSON log viewer conversation bubbles should have the same colors as when the conversation happened
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22:43:27 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested review from aletheia2@fastmail. fm for attachment 1788 on bug 1338.
22:43:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1338 nor, --, ---, florian, NEW, Connect button is disabled after an account spends more than half a second in the disconnecting stat
22:44:17 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1338 to FIXED.
22:59:09 <instant-buildbot> build #302 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/302
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