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09:45:13 <flo> clokep: when you have a minute, I would like an explanation of http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/irc/irc.js#531
09:45:23 <flo> the code does the opposite of the comment above it.
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10:28:39 <flo> clokep: how do you feel about us taking http://pastebin.instantbird.com/55737 for Ib 1.2 / Tb 15 to stop receiving complaints about the HTTP proxy being used for IRC/XMPP, and filing an enhancement request to support HTTP proxies later?
10:31:06 <clokep> flo: That's fine w/ me, but making the "ignoring http proxy" a warning (so it shows up for people who don't have a higher log level) and put { } around the else statement.
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10:31:49 <flo> how do I make a warning from socket.jsm ?
10:32:22 <flo> there's only a log function that's reimplemented by whatever inherits from socket.jsm
10:32:34 <flo> (done, for the { })
10:32:46 <clokep> Ah, right. :)
10:32:54 <clokep> In that case...the log is fine. :-D
10:33:13 <flo> ok, I'll attach the patch and r? in the Tb bug so that I can easily request approval for aurora/beta
10:36:56 <flo> clokep: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=647488&action=edit
10:38:36 <clokep> flo: Was that tested? :-D
10:38:50 <flo> clokep: what do you mean?
10:39:04 <clokep> Did you find an HTTP proxy to test against?
10:39:19 <flo> I've tested that in the pref window if I set a (non existing) HTTP proxy I fail to connect, and with the patch I can connect fine (ie the HTTP proxy is ignored)
10:39:32 <clokep> OK.
10:39:59 <flo> I hesitated between ignoring http proxies or ignoring all non-socks proxies
10:40:31 <flo> but SSL proxies aren't used anyway, as we put http:// in the URL at http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/modules/socket.jsm#132
10:40:47 <flo> so ignoring HTTP seems enough
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10:43:51 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/88e2e977cc95 - Florian Quèze - Bug 1609 - <presence type="subscribe"/> stanzas are ignored when the JID is already in the roster, r=clokep.
10:43:53 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/02d93fefd2e2 - Florian Quèze - Bug 741536 - IRC and XMPP connections fail when there's a system HTTP proxy, r=clokep.
10:43:54 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/10df3f6d79e2 - Florian Quèze - Bug 1568 - JS-XMPP should handle message type="error" stanzas instead of displaying the messages again in the conversation as incoming, r=clokep.
10:45:39 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1347 to FIXED.
10:45:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1347 nor, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, socket.jsm based protocols don't handle HTTP proxies
10:46:20 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1609 to FIXED.
10:46:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1609 nor, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, <presence type="subscribe"/> stanzas are ignored when the JID is already in the roster
10:47:01 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 1568 to FIXED.
10:47:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1568 nor, --, 1.2, florian, RESO FIXED, JS-XMPP doesn't handle message type="error" stanza, and instead displays the messages again in the c
10:50:33 <instantbot> New Core - XMPP bug 1610 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
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10:50:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1610 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Display a correct error message in the conversation when receiving a message type=error stanza
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11:42:05 <clokep_work> flo: (I've read the log now) In reference to http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/irc/irc.js#531
11:42:29 <clokep_work> "Can not send messages to buddies who appear offline." should probably be "Can only send messages to buddies who are online."
11:42:38 <clokep_work> Which I believe is what the code is doing.
11:44:03 <flo> nope, the code does the opposite of that
11:44:20 <flo> the default jsProtoHelper behavior is to allow starting a conversation only if the buddy is online
11:44:42 <flo> the JS-XMPP and JS-IRC behaviors are to allow starting a conversation if the account is online, ie allow offline messages.
11:45:28 <flo> that may make sense for IRC if we did it because we expect presence notifications to sometimes be late and don't want to prevent the user from starting a private conversation if the contact hasn't been marked as online yet
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11:45:45 <clokep_work> That would be why we're doign it then, yes.
11:46:04 <flo> in that case the code can be right, but the comment is quite wrong, and... confusing! ;)
11:47:25 <clokep_work> Sorry. :(
11:47:36 <clokep_work> Do you want me to give you a patch? :P
11:53:03 <flo> yes? Although there's obviously no rush :)
11:53:59 <clokep_work> flo: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/55763
11:54:19 * clokep_work finds it sad that https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=628312 hasn't receive a review in 1.5 years. :-/
11:56:24 <clokep_work> Oh apparently I'm a peer of another module now? :P
11:56:24 * aleth thinks there should maybe exist some kind of process that catches this kind of thing before too much time elapses
11:57:01 <aleth> It's bad that the onus is always on the patch submitter to hassle people.
11:57:37 <aleth> (As usually the patch submitter has less status in some form or another...)
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11:57:46 <clokep_work> Especially if the committer is someone new.
11:57:58 <clokep_work> submitter, rather.
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12:01:59 <flo> clokep_work: "Oh apparently I'm a peer of another module now? :P" hmm?
12:03:00 <flo> clokep_work: in that specific case thought, the submitter isn't new to Mozilla at all, and the patch is not ready for review, and the submitter knew it ;).
12:04:19 <aleth> flo: They need a feedback flag? ;)
12:04:25 <flo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=777292 looks super scary :-/
12:11:00 <clokep_work> flo: The "Instant messaging" component.
12:11:08 <flo> clokep_work: I hadn't checked my email yet ;)
12:12:03 <flo> clokep_work: shouldn't mconley also be a peer for the UI part?
12:12:43 <flo> clokep_work: I was also wondering if we should create sub-module for chat/. Would an IRC submodule make sense, with you as the owner, and aleth and me as peers?
12:12:44 <clokep_work> Possibly. He knows more about the UI then I do. ;)
12:13:19 <clokep_work> flo: If you wanted to break it out like that, it'd probably make sense.
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12:18:10 <flo> apparently as the chat module owner I've the authority to create whatever sub modules I think make sense.
12:19:50 <clokep_work> Interesting. :)
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12:20:34 <clokep_work> I mean theoretically it'd probably make sense to have a submodule for each protocol we support...but Twitter & XMPP would just list flo and I again, I think...
12:21:05 <aleth> It might make it easier to search for bugs though.
12:21:25 <clokep_work> How so?
12:21:40 <aleth> Can't you search by module?
12:21:45 <clokep_work> "submodule" really just means who can review things...nothing to do with Bugzilla (although they usually line up)
12:21:50 <aleth> Ah OK
12:21:50 <flo> aleth: Module ownership isn't directly related to bugzilla components
12:22:16 <flo> aleth: module ownership is about people, it answers the question "who has the authority to review/make decisions?"
12:22:58 <aleth> I had just assumed the two categorisations were aligned.
12:23:15 <aleth> But it makes sense that they wouldn't always.
12:24:56 <clokep_work> Yeah, sometimes a module includes multiple bugzilla components.
12:25:59 <clokep_work> flo: So when I got my build system set up on my "new" laptop...the null prpl fails to compile. :-S There's an xpcomCid.h (I think that's the filename?) with garbage hex #s in it (they're all just 0x, there's no actual #).
12:26:00 <clokep_work> Any idea?
12:26:44 <flo> you don't have uuidgen in the path
12:26:55 <clokep_work> Hmm...
12:27:03 * clokep_work wonders if he upgraded mozilla-build without realizing it.
12:27:25 <clokep_work> Ah...yes. I did, since the one I installed came out like a week ago. ;)
12:30:10 <flo> clokep_work: apparently windows has a similar tool called guidgen
12:33:57 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/0711c9c23d7f - Patrick Cloke - Fix a confusing comment in irc.js, rs=fqueze.
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13:13:07 <flo> oh, we need another libpurple update before releasing? :-/
13:13:23 <flo> I hope it doesn't require new strings  :-/
13:13:38 <flo>  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357725 is fixed! \o/
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13:20:04 <Mic> Hi
13:20:14 <flo> Mic: hello :)
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14:01:45 <Mic> wnayes: there's a typo in the key's name here: http://hg.instantbird.org/users/wnayes/rev/6d26cab7bc19#l2.133
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14:05:35 <Mic> Fixed already... I really should read all commits before commenting :(
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14:11:36 <flo> Mic: thanks for reading wnayes' code though :). I don't have time to do it these days, and it's nicer to give comments when things are still recent changes.
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14:14:13 <eson57> Mic: Thanks for reviewing my add-on  :)
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14:15:04 <Mic> You're welcome :)
14:17:35 <eson57> Shouldn´t it be present here... ?
14:17:35 <eson57> https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/browse/type:3
14:18:37 <eson57> kind of hard to find if it isn´t where all links point to  ;)
14:19:22 <Mic> No, not by default. Every item on this list has to be added manually. Thanks for pointing this out again!
14:19:30 <Mic> I'll add it.
14:20:08 <eson57> thanks
14:21:53 <Mic> Done :)
14:22:14 <eson57> nice  :)
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14:38:11 <flo> clokep_work: you are away next week? :-o
14:38:22 <flo> I thought we were releasing Ib 1.2 on that week :-/
14:40:02 <clokep_work> flo: I'm away next weekend, Aug 9th - 12th.
14:40:41 <flo> Aug 9th is on Thursday, is that already the week-end?
14:41:00 <clokep_work> Well I'm leaving after work Thursday. I took Friday off.
14:41:05 <flo> but fine, that gives us 7th and 8th as possible release days
14:41:10 <clokep_work> Friday, Saturday and Sunday sounds like a weekend. :)
14:42:19 <clokep_work> Yes...well...those seem plausible. :-/
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15:13:22 <flo> aleth: do you remember what remains to be fixed in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742673 ?
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15:32:55 <wnayes> Mic: I found that key typo yesterday, it became quite noticeable with a few hundred errors in the console ;) Thanks for looking at the commits!
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15:34:25 <wnayes> I'm hoping to finish mIRC today and get a start on Pidgin logs.
15:35:07 <flo> :)
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16:01:02 <clokep_work> wnayes: Can you get the format of the date at least?
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16:10:12 <wnayes> clokep_work: Yes, the timestamp mask is stored in the mirc.ini
16:11:02 <clokep_work> wnayes: So I was hoping Date.parse() would also accept a formatting string.
16:11:05 <clokep_work> But it doesn't seem to...
16:12:05 <wnayes> Yeah, I looked into that too. I think I can parse it by creating a regular expression and keeping track of what match is what date portion.
16:15:05 <clokep_work> Yeah then using the new Date(year, month, day [, hour, minute, second, millisecond ])   form of the constructor.
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16:16:57 <clokep_work> Sounds like fun. ;)
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17:34:49 <aleth> flo: I can't reproduce that in IB (certainly no notification?), but possibly because we fixed most of it in bug 1499. A complete fix would require checking in bug 1497 as far as I recall.
17:34:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1499 nor, --, 1.2, aletheia2, RESO FIXED, Avoid attempting to connect accounts while offline, and disconnect connecting accounts when going of
17:34:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1497 nor, --, ---, aletheia2, ASSI, "-status offline" command line parameter doesn't stop accounts from connecting
17:40:21 <flo> aleth: do you remember if we identified issues with the patch waiting for review in that bug the evening we discussed it?
17:41:06 <aleth> As far as I recall the patch was r+ but you wanted the UI changes in comment #4 to go with it, which was considered part of the account manager overhaul.
17:43:33 <aleth> Looking at the patch again now I think we could probably take it anyway though, as having a different message for "offline due to necko" and "offline due to status" could be considered an enhancement, and the other two are also not really a problem
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18:40:59 <aleth> Ah, maybe the UI changes were wanted so that there would still be the AUTOLOGIN_START_OFFLINE message if necko was offline?
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18:42:29 <aleth> (I mean, that 1497 would not be landed until UI changes made the AUTOLOGIN_START_OFFLINE message unnecessary in that case)
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19:34:08 <clokep_work> aleth: When were you going to publish your thing?
19:34:52 <aleth> clokep_work: When do you think would be best? Your last post only went up on Friday
19:35:07 <clokep_work> Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday.
19:35:55 <aleth> OK... otherwise it runs into the release (here's hoping anyway)
19:36:36 <aleth> Any suggestions for changes?
19:36:37 <clokep_work> How does tomorrow sound?
19:36:50 <clokep_work> I read it earlier and it seemed good. I can re-read it again if you'd like.
19:36:53 <clokep_work> Did you tag it and stuff too?
19:37:34 <aleth> I couldn't find a list of tags. I did put it in 'Features' though
19:38:28 <clokep_work> There's a "Choose from most used tags" link. ;)
19:38:32 <clokep_work> I just added a bunch though.
19:38:43 <aleth> Cool, I must have missed that 
19:39:22 <clokep_work> aleth: "If there is no unique nick that..." is a run on sentence.
19:39:28 <clokep_work> It needs to be split into a couple of sentences.
19:40:18 <clokep_work> Besides that, I think it's OK. :)
19:41:07 <aleth> Thanks for proofreading :)
19:42:16 <clokep_work> You're welcome. :)
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20:08:08 <aleth> clokep_work: I made some changes and scheduled it.
20:08:22 <clokep_work> aleth: You can schedule things?! Aweosme! :0
20:08:37 <aleth> Nice feature :)
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21:30:58 <clokep> Good evening!
21:32:45 <flo> Good evening :)
21:33:04 * flo isn't happy of the unhelpful comments in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768919 and or the crazy too complicated ideas there
21:34:28 <aleth> Doesn't someone have to land account-dependent message style selection for that to even make sense first?
21:36:28 <clokep> Yes.
21:37:19 <aleth> IF that were wanted... 
21:37:41 <clokep> Ah so apparently you can do that already? I didn't know that's what "service" meant.
21:39:25 <flo> and whoever tries to add protocol specific detection of conversations, as opposed to messages, will win an r- from me ;-)
21:41:32 <clokep> Fair enough. :)
21:42:11 * clokep wants to just close that bug as WONTFIX and open another one "don't make a crappy theme"
21:43:05 <aleth> ;)
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22:07:25 <flo> clokep: so, do we have actionable ways to describe how that Tb theme sucks?
22:07:46 <clokep> flo: I don't even know what the current theme really looks like, I just remember it having a huge amount of space.
22:07:58 <clokep> And one of the reasons cited to me about how it's bad for IRC is that there's no avatars on IRC.
22:08:27 <flo> right, huge amonts of space, and total lack of colors :(
22:11:16 <clokep> Yes. I think we already gave actionable feedback about the colors.
22:12:11 <aleth> Maybe the lack of colours is due to TB having more corporate/institutional users and so a desire to look "professional"? At any rate, it's ultimately a matter of taste...
22:12:25 <flo> aleth: yes, it was
22:12:34 <flo> clokep: this is how it looks: http://i.imgur.com/prld9.png
22:12:49 <clokep> I've never seen a real make up proving that there's that many more "professionals" using it than random other people
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22:13:12 <aleth> Ditching the avatars would help a lot.
22:13:22 <flo> I love how displaying all timestamps makes the variable space between bubbles useful...
22:13:56 <clokep> flo: Ditch the avatars, add color ...that would make it usable. I don't think the "wasted space" is too bad.
22:14:45 <flo> with a smaller window the avatars disappears and some margins are reduced: http://i.imgur.com/q4ByU.png
22:15:13 <aleth> It would make sense to come up with a way to turn off avatars for IRC. But the best way of doing that involves larger changes to message style options imho
22:15:20 <clokep> Can we hide the avatars if they don't exist? Is that possible?
22:16:08 <flo> how do you define "they don't exist"?
22:16:34 <clokep> They're the default value set to the grey person?
22:17:47 <flo> so if your contact has an avatar, but you don't, you would display avatars for only half the bubbles?
22:18:02 <clokep> Maybe. :-/
22:18:05 <clokep> I didn't think of that. :-D
22:18:13 <clokep> OK...if the protocol doesn't support avatars? ;)
22:21:49 <flo> so you are special casing IRC? :-P
22:22:29 <flo> I'm almost sure XMPP MUCs support avatars (but JS-XMPP doesn't handle them there, as lots of other MUC related things aren't supported either)
22:26:22 <clokep> Yeah I'm not sure. :-/
22:26:31 <clokep> The avatars don't really bother me. They don't really seem to waste a ton of space.
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22:46:03 * clokep isn't sure what needs to be done for that license bug. :-/
22:48:29 <flo> I think I just need to review that patch :-/
22:48:44 <flo> I wanted to do it this evening, but I got sucked into that Tb message theme bug :(
22:49:58 <clokep> Hmm...OK.
22:50:03 <aleth> That does look like a time sink...
23:13:34 <clokep> So I have uuidgen...mozilla-uild is just looking in the wrong dir...
23:22:19 <clokep> Updated my SDK and it's all good. :)
23:25:11 <flo> Good night
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23:59:44 <phayz> is there any way (plugin or otherwise) of hiding "X entered room" and "X left room" messages?